The Ancient Gods Pt.2 Re-Review - (addressing difficulty and the community backlash) 

You made quite a lot of guides, not like it's anything bad though 👌

I saw your review. You were right. I beat Doom for Win 95 and Doom 2 to the point I know the levels like a real life hometown. Then so much Brutal Doom. I love id and Doom. Everything you said is sensible. After my time Doom to Ancient God's 1, I expected my butthole to pucker. But no. I easily made it to the Davoth fight and I quit last night because it really was becoming eternal. I would rather loose a real boss fight than be stalemate for two hours and quit for sleep sake.

awesome review mate

Ever consider that people who are being assholes today were assholes yesterday? Or most of them never watched your video and spotted these issues themselves and got mad? I think your overestimating your effect on the situation. And I would like say this is better, but I never saw the last one.

@@unusualaussie9606 kind of makes your point invalided if you haven't seen the last one

LOOOOOOOOOL

Hahahahahahahahahahaha

Lol

Where is the word dedication in this comment?

@@Dondlo46 I was about wondering that

Yes

Just want to say Cynic, as a console player thank you. You have helped me so much to become a better player! Been loving your vids man!

@@Zaiterion happy to help😁

Dont u mean InBetweenTheSourCream????

I definitely agree. His other video was good in my opinion. I'd say it was his fans that took it too far. Still respect the fact he redid the whole video just out of fairness

When is the next livestream? It's been weeks since the last one.

@@rsolsjo tomorrow 🤘

@@Allstin Awesome! Thanks

I don't think that it will come to that. While I disagree with almost every change they made to TAG1 (I won't complain about the blood maykr nerf), I have huge respect for how Hugo throws himself into a livestream and dead on addresses issues of the game, for example the buggy release of SGN ML. The livestream won't be super civil, but I expect id software to offer a compromise for all parties.

@@brisenosan I'm with you, I thought the nerfs to TAG1 were more disappointing than what we got in TAG2. And I'd imagine you're right, the stream won't be too bad. Its a good thing the stream is this Thursday and not last. Thaaaat mightve been problematic

I totally agree on your points about balance and keeping the conversation constructive, but I'm not sure I agree on you being too old and uncoordinated 😃 Maybe you're too busy or unwilling to put in the time into acquiring this skill at this point in your life, and that's totally fine. Myself, after not playing any FPS for 20 years (and hardly any games at all besides some casual 2D games), I picked up Doom Eternal. And not only that, but I never owned a console, I was just a PC gamer in high school, and now I decided to learn to play Doom Eternal on PS. Playing a FPS on a controller for the first time is incredibly hard, but I was lucky enough to have enough free time to put into it -- I even learned how to claw grip the controller in order to always keep my thumbs on the analog sticks. It was hard and took many hours but it was also fun and satisfying. I'm far from reaching the level of the top players in this community and I can't even dream of completing a UN run at this point, but I consider myself a pretty decent player. Sorry for all the babble about myself, I was just trying to say that if you want to do it and have the time, you can become good at the game.

Yeah I barely started playing FPS games casually 2 years ago and I’m proud to be able to play on “Hurt Me Plenty” after a play through on “I’m Too Young To Die” on the main campaign. But I’m barely able to handle the easiest difficulty on the DLC. I like it the challenge though. I can tell this will be a game I enjoy playing for years to come.

THERE'S NO SUCH A THING! Take my word for it: I'm 31, which might not be too old, but here's the kicker: literally, the last videogame I played before Doom 2016 was Super Mario Bros 3. Never played an FPS or 3rdPS in my life. And whenever I'd watch somebody play Halo or Call of Duty I'd think the same: I'm just too uncoordinated, it's not worth the try... And then I saw people playing Doom 2016. Needless to say, I got hooked: Got myself a Nintendo Switch (I travel a lot for work, so getting any other console made no sense to me), a copy of the Slayer's Edition (Doom, Doom 2, Doom 3, Doom 2016) and got directly to 2016... And I got DESTROYED on the easiest difficulty within 10 seconds, BEFORE THE TITLE EVEN DROPPED. Didn't even know which button I should use to shoot. But the game is so rewarding, that I just kept going. Just a couple of weeks ago I managed to beat the game in Nightmare, which took me around a year (a lot, I know). A couple of weeks ago I started with Eternal and had the same feeling: I will NEVER be able to do what these youtubers do. All that flashy dashing, flame-throwing, meat-hook-flying, quick-weapon-changing goodness... Well, I'm still far less skilled than the elite players out there, but I got much better than I thought I ever could! And more important than that... I'M HAVING AN ABSOLUTE FREAKING BLAST PLAYING BOTH GAMES! I don't know what it is, but the developers just hit that sweet spot of challenging and rewarding. I actually laugh whenever I get killed! The games are at the same time a stress-relief and pure adrenaline in a way I can only compare to physical exercise. So, summary: 1.- I had never played FPSs before. 2.- I'm not really into video games at all, so my fingers were not used to controllers. 3.- I play on the Nintendo Switch, which is, I'd think, the trickiest way to control such a fast paced game (mind you, the gyro aiming is amazing!)... ... And I managed to get good enough to the point in which I catch myself doing something cool and I literally have to pause the game to just think "Did I do that?! That was awesome!" These games are just too good. And they do a great job in showing you the ropes without babysitting you, if that makes any sense. So believe me, if I managed to get into it and have fun playing it, you certainly can! Give it a go!!!

I think I'm borderline with this. I know my limit is somewhere way, way, way, before Ultra Nightmare, but I have managed to power through the campaign and both DLC on Nightmare, but now I've done them I'm fine with sticking to UV.

Me too! This game can really exhaust you but there's fun in the frustration of wanting to overcome things for the likes of us. I know personally I can't do Nightmare but I'll be fine with UV as is lol. And this re-review is very fair too with solid points. Thanks, Mayo!

@@richieclean I think I'll do like you. Finish TAG1 on Nightamre, then go back to UV.

@@achaoPSG I never did The Holt Slayer Gate on Nightmare; I could just tell it was going to take everything out of me. The 2nd Escalation encounter in Immora was also a huge challenge, but I managed to do it eventually. I'm really glad I did it all on Nightmare, just once, but UV is where my "fun zone" is.

@@richieclean Indeed. I'd rather have my fun zone, if it's on UV, then so be it. I managed to finish TAG1 in Nightmare, but as you said, it took everything out of me haha. Although, to have the full experience, I'll suffer through one more Nightmare run for TAG 2, but thank god, it seems less hard than the first DLC :D.

Hey Midnight.

xd

@@maxsalyer2266 bruh

@@maxsalyer2266 bruh moment

@@maxsalyer2266 Stop living in the past

that'd be way too cool and in line with what was established in doom 2016 for them to do

So much plot twists that I can't see the actual plot anymore

Plot twist: it’s just a legion of possessed marauders

Attack on carcass

He’s one of the youtubers that can do that and make it work and put it in a different light

"... Analyse and Argue... until it is done!"

@@Eggy_The_Egg lmao

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Yes

I knight thee, commanding officer of the flaming archery brigade.

@@underthemayo is this some cultured refrence that im too casual to understand

@@underthemayo great vid, just wanted to mention that ppl on the doom discord made mods that remove the escalation encounters pop ups and the removal of the new sfx from the hammer and stuns. Mod community can fix the game better than ID software due to the pandemic I think. Dropping two massive DLC during a global pandemic where the team can't work together the way they really need to, together.

I wouldn't even say tryhard, just people looking for a challenge because of their skill level and felt underwhelmed.

@@gargf8899 maybewe just got guder at the game 😶

О, и ты тут

@@dereturd I see that being thrown around a lot but I dont buy it, none of the encounters live up to ag1's surprise encounters and intensity.

Сегодня чот день богатый на события, то Майонез видос пуляет, то Квен камбекается, и Лейтер тоже видосиком нас наградил)

I just want you to know this comment really made my day. You deserve to know that you did good.

The Halo community is just a complete fucking dumpster fire at this point

Lol yeah, this I agree with.

How so?

Idk anything about the halo community, care to give me context? (assuming this is abt infinite)

I 100% agree with your statement

I think it would be good if you spoke out about what you liked, because it’s gonna help Id software way more if you tell them what you DO like instead of what you don’t.

I actually like the cursed prowler as he is in my opinion - I like how when you get hit, it's an entirely different game. In fact, he's actually my favorite new enemy because of how he stresses me tf out. Not being able to dash feels like not being able to run in a nightmare tho, but it's better than being able to dash but being a little slower (think blood makyr aoe attack). I think it should announce itself a little better and I think more people would like it

@@mitchellis7738 he would be better if he didn't run far away after the hit sometimes

I really like those ideas, it actually sounds like a well balanced and fair enemy, though I believe Cursed Prowlers shouldn't use projectiles, too small too fast and too unpredictable, just have his attacks be him teleporting in and hitting you

Being cursed refills one blood punch charge? Maybe that would be too much?

Faltering needs to by normal means not just by base weapon damage damage.

That’s exactly what we wanted from this dlc lmao

That’s some villainy right there

Hehe the tyrant is easy either way :) i never died to one i think (seriously too slow) the archvile needs a bit of a buff imo, we were teased a possessed one in this dlc but its not there

I’m surprised that they didn’t have a room where Chaingunners didn’t have Screechers accompany them from behind while you’re getting chased by a bunch of super heavies

@@eriksulin627 Yes. Wall of chain gunners with shriekers behind them. Then also spawn in Cursed prowlers, Stone imps, Pinkies, and a couple dreadknights.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

now that's a good idea !

YES

Definitely need this

They could even stick it the Slayer's man cave.

maybe not the punch thing since theres no other demon that dies to the punch (I know you CAN technically kill them by punching but you know)

Yes, i was also expecting that, and would be even more cool if we played as the dark lord in some part of the DLC

that's a pretty nice idea ! but it would too hard to program

Mojo should be in more fights. He works perfectly as an unpredictable surprise

Yeah, I watched it on Toyota's livestream and I was like: WHAAAAAAA?????? It's great that the devs are making fun of their community like that, and even better is that the comunity takes it well.

yeah, clear the first floor of a stage, work your way up to the second floor platforming section above the stage, whilst flying through the air it spawns and knocks you back down to the first floor, loved that part

I legit lost an extra life to that little shit. Was completely unexpected.

Mojo is one of the best additions to the game

That's how I see him, and personally I love those guys.

Totally agree, when I went through almost the exact same situation, I felt like I was enacting revenge on a Demon that had wronged me. But in order for that to happen, the enemy needs to be annoying, I expect minor changes to the character, and admittedly I wish his model looked a little more different so it's more distinguishable (too many times did I mistake the green color for a cyberMancubus projectile) but overall when I'm on the hunt for the cursed Prowler it triggers something in my chimp brain that normally has been dulled by the millions of marauders, Barons, and Doom Hunters i've encountered in the past

I actually had to pause the game and think about what to do because I was getting overwhelmed trying to kill the damn thing and I had no BP. Loved it.

Until the blood punch doesn't kill it twice in a row.

@@Xeotroid I've never had issues with blood punch, even before it was fixed for other players. I know it's not exactly fair to judge my experience as the end all be all of every player, but I see more people having less problems with it now

which it won't... unfortunately

i think it will - give the some more time ;)

@@chmurix hope so for your sake ;)

Caco's tongues in taco

@@distantsea i do lik me some tacos 🌮🌮🌮

Did they nerfed that beauty too?

Exactly

I LOOOVE that the Hellbreaker doubles health and armor pickups, it's such a satisfying idea, my favorite part about it. But even though I didn't find the ammo return very overpowered, since having ammo doesn't guarantee you'll be able to kill or survive (I still reflexively chainsaw after I hit the hammer anyways...lol), I'd be fine with that aspect being removed.

I hate the hammer :(

Man be careful, you just said you think TAG2 is better than TAG1. I can hear the horde coming-

@@miguelcorreia6777 I don’t think it’s *better* per se. TAG1 is absolutely better designed. I just enjoyed TAG2 more, since I had some pacing problems with TAG1, especially toward the end. The Seraphim fight was too much for me, and I beat the base game on Nightmare and enjoyed the new Slayer Gate. Haven’t tried it since the nerfs outside of Atlantica, so maybe that’ll change things.

I really like the lore twist actually , and i like over all what i saw but PT 1 is kinda better yea . I have respect for Mayo too and wile i don't agree with every little thing , i am glad he took the time to remake his review bc i thought , it was a bit too much and also wondered when he will adress the toxic meltdown in the community .

tbh my main issue with the DLC was the story...it's bad, i know doom isn't mainly about the story but the writing is bad with a shitload of retcons and a twist that has 0 impact, it was right at the end, davoth was going to die anyway and it's not like Doomguy gave a fuck about the reveal. the issue with the difficulty didn't bother me that much cause i usually play on hurt me plenty. i understand the frustration of some players cause their fun was really harmed by the nerf, but i do agree they overreacted. and review bomb is a dumb thing to do and doesn't help the game at all. like some people said i do beleive that high difficulties should remain as they were back then. for me someone casual shouldn't be palying nightmare/UN. i don't know if that's possible but in classic doom with harder difficulties there were more demons spawns+ more aggressivity.

IF they listen. and they won't.

I like them too; I never really used the wolf sounds before TAG2, because I often couldn’t pick them out in a fight. In general, I don’t mind all the extra signposting in TAG2. If it means more players pick up more gameplay mechanics, that’s great.

The first I heard it that literally scared me it was never that loud before

It might be a bit too loud, but I LOVE the new wolf sound.

Hell yeah!

I think the wolf sound is just a little too loud, especially the wolf's growls once it's on the field. But yeah it's not a bad idea

I was thinking this exact same thing today lmao

And now it's here!

as someone who already had music cranked up past where Mayo has his, i'm not complaining about it. I didn't know the dog even made a sound.

YES PLEASE. We are already using two buttons... for two grenades. Might as well!

@Eric Desjardins That would be AMAZING.

LMAO he actually did it.

He asked for it, Mayo delivered.

W

You have been blessed by lord mayo

Hugo has been actively gathering feedback ever scince TAG2 came out, and that clearly shows that he cares about the community, unlike most game developers/companies

Same

Dude this isn’t the stand alone id from the early 90’s. This is id dancing to the tune of Bethesda. Don’t forget that.

Sounds like a smart guy.

- Mick Gordon

That was mick Gordon though

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 r/whoosh

Sun Zu said that! And I think he knows a little more about burning your house down than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he bested it so that no living man could best him in the ring of fire!

The star wars community doesn't even like star wars

doom community still says "git gud" so no they are not adults

@@fuzzy8889 is it wrong saying git gud?

@@fuzzy8889 But doom eternal ain't that hard though. I think doom 2016 is harder than doom eternal. Especially on the hard difficulties.

@@lolcow6668 really? DOOM 2016 Ultra Nightmare was harder in first levels but in mid to endgame its a bit of a joke mostly due too OP runes such as equipment rune which makes siphon grenades give out armor , rich get richer literally giving you infinite ammo stuff like plasma rifle stun bomb and gauss cannon siege mode stuff that has very little cooldowns and can be exploited to hell and back ... literally

"Despite their trangressions against the covenant, they are still of Sentinel blood..." "Who are you--a human, once a mortal--to defy OUR traditions?!" "Your gifts...are OWED to us now." Doomguy: ...*cocks shotgun*

Ofensive clients and "you can't handle the truth", untill it's done.

Yeah it being an active threat in fights so you might just want to kill it because it's in your way.

could be like the left 4 dead witch where if you get too close and startle it or shoot it it charges at you

I was imagining something that looked kind of like the second form of G Birkin from RE2 Remake with it's ghostly looking flesh head and human stuck in all the muck of the G virus corruption

I was thinking it wouldn’t attack, but it would ear rape you, you know? because it’s the screecher?

@@middleCased Good idea. Rework the screecher so that when it makes a sound it overpowers all of the other sound cues, which will then disorient and make you lose track of the demons around you.

I really don't need the tentacles in the fog, but they should have left the others. For me mainly the changes at the start of Atlantica were too many. I'm fine with one caco less, or maybe only one cyber mancubus in the last room (of the first area I mean), maybe only one of the hellknights in the first encounter. I don't need those changes but I would be okay with them.

@@hundinger1 I like the tentacles in the fog exactly because it is unexpected and fucks with the players. Blood Swamps is my favourite level in Domm Eternal since it fucked the most with me. I do nto want fair, I want to be entertained.

@@CharcharoExplorer Yes, I understand you like it. But you also have to understand that they won't change it all back to how it was before. And those tentacles I'm gonna miss least. Their absence don't change the difficulty of the fog section too much. The beginning of Atlantica on the other hand has changed dramatically.

@@hundinger1 I guess so. I never felt the beginning of Atlantica was hard though. I find it a fairly relaxed level overall even before the changes. Very good level make no mistake. I just do not really think the intros there were hard at all. I got back into Doom after a 3 month hiatus and easily rolled through the first half of the map on Nightmare without dying. It is blood swamps where I started getting my ass kicked...

I think we need possessed giant tentacles

Samur (pre nerf, if he even got one that is) Phase three was absurd.

@@Dr.Oofers Whose phase 3?

Basically

Hamspam

@@blackpop654 pinky bacon spam

Doom Eternal SSG Balista Combo The Ancient Ghosts - Part 1 The Ancient Hammer Spam - Part 2

@MrMcGoy Hey I’m allowed to be unhappy with a product I payed for lol, but yeah it is way too easy like Nightmare was easy mode

Go little guy, go!

For real what happened in the Doom community this past week was a complete clusterfuck. It really shouldn't have reached that level, but yet here we are

Doom was starting to look like the Halo community for a second.

@@Shrapnel-qy4xi true

@@Shrapnel-qy4xi And that is not something you want to see. It’s classic vs modern over there and hardcore vs casual here

@@Shrapnel-qy4xi which is a bit embarrassing, because I don't think anyone thinks TAG-2 is flat out bad. Plenty of people in the halo community think that some combination of the games after halo 3 are flat out bad. About the most critical opinion I've seen on TAG-2 is that it's merely OK and is a severe disappointment... And that's what drove the outrage? Geez...

Twitter is a hell in it's own little special way.

@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. Where's Twit Slayer when you need him?

With Ancient Gods finally done I think it's super likely the dev team's productivity will skyrocket. Master levels, Invasion mode, Battlemode updates, quality of life stuff... It could be a golden age!

Same I love arachnatrons the nerf to them was not a good idea.

Agreed, especially in smaller spaces. The possessed ones in particular are the bane of my existence. That ridiculous rate of fire destroys me every time.

I'd say Id will definitely at least tweak the fight a bit. Probably make him more aggressive and/or add more demons/apparitions to the dark lord's arsenal. The more attack variety and intensity, the better the fight will be in my honest opinion.

I also didn’t like farming for the hammer ammo after it’s basically mandatory to use on the group of spirits (not the dogs). It kept me from actually being engaged in the fight with the boss.

Also for players like me who spam lock on on most heavies which kills them with 1 lock on. Either get rid of the danger or go for a glory kill

@@uegeywcewhdvsdge318 Yeah, it forces you to make different decisions, suddenly now, you can't just kill all the heavies instantly, because you need some of them to be barely alive to get the hammer, but, you could also sometimes have to make the decision to actually kill them instantly, because they cause too much trouble and are not worth it to go for a glory kill.

I would change absolutely nothing about it and just bump the enemy numbers to compensate for the fact that you have such a powerful weapon.

My point of view is that needing 3 heavy-superheavy demon glory kills to refill. Lets say theres whiplashes, hell knights, pinkies, dread knights all in one room. You have to decide fast cause whiplashes can deal absurd damage with their attacks while the others will chase you. Lock on kills most of them but then you run into the problem of you killed the others with lockon but now you dont have/or have minimal charges for the next more intense fight

What about the Dark Lord fight?

It's also good for people who suck at FPS games or have had age catch up to them and their dexterity and reflexes just aren't the same.

Ayyy let's go

I died to the very first wolf fog fountain on my first playthrough. Those possessed shield-shotgunners... They shred ya

Lmfao I was thinking the same thing

Same here

What?

That's for you, but it could be distracting for some

@@Eggy_The_Egg yeah that’s what I said “I”

@@jordanwendell6279 yeah that's what I said "some"

@@Eggy_The_Egg mAyBe FoR yOu

@@Eggy_The_Egg of all the shit going on in Doom, if those little visual effects distract you then you need a new hobby

This is why I re did it. The emotional side of my video distracted from my arguments, and that's not something I want when I want a game to be supported and improved.

I think this is especially true for immora (I think that's what mission 3 was called?) It was a PHENOMENAL set piece, and the environment and art design really made you feel like you're in the middle of a massive siege. The issue is that I felt so disconnected from it. Everything felt super easy, and I didn't feel like I was contributing to the siege at all

Tbh elitist players is what keeps the game running. Like the still huge speedrun community in doom 1-2 and the Ultra nightmare runs in the newer dooms. Its made for getting pro at this game, if not then there are options that you can play this game casualy. But the elitist community will play the game 500 times, while the casual player maybe touches the game 5 times. And with TAG1 they proved that they want it for the high skilled ones.

@@chaTzon you’re forgetting that elitist are the minority. The casual players are the ones making the game the most money because they are so many of then. Id shouldn’t cater so much to such a small core audience

@@thahomiejosh9203 yes but as said are there easier options anyway. And its a fantastic game on easy and on nightmare. The souls games make enough money too...but in doom the elitist keep the game alive through years and years. And the doom name itself sell enough units.

You need elite players to create hype for casual players to buy in. That's at least how Doom worked since 2016. I was a fan of Doom since I was a kid and it took me a few years to jump on board with Doom 2016 since I lost faith in Id after Rage, not because I thought Rage was bad but because it felt like Id lost its vision. It was because of the enthusiast players keeping the game in the minds of people that I finally hopped in and loved it. I feel like the elite players were a big reason Doom Eternal was such a success. I'm not a pro Doom player either and I find Doom Eternal too stressful to replay in general, but I was still disappointed by TAG2.