The Andrew Huang AI Art Drama is Stupid 

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When you think immersive art is easy.... it sounds exactly like that.

0 feedback loop. most artists rap suck equally as hard due to this "im the greatest and most hatest" culture

More like suno/udio that generate the whole sh!t track -__-

@@johndoe_1984 goddammit 😂 So dragging in loops should be considered high art at this point I guess

No, that is using stock images

Lol. No.

yeah they're both dumb as shit

So like, bad?

I HATE SCHOOL!

Andrew was never taught what laws there are, regarding AI art.

probably are

it's good you finally realized this 🫠

I honestly don't care in either case. It's not like people who do a lot of commission work put their heart into all the work they do anyway. Producers who toss out 50 tracks per month to clients is no better than an AI. It's selling technical expertise, not art.

@@gutterg0d WOW you said it. 100% agree.

@@gutterg0d As someone who does commission work its definitely not that easy even when you're trying to phone it in. Technical expertise in music and in art are "art" I have no idea how you draw a difference between those. The problem is definitely AI in this case

@Avernalism You've invested time on getting the technical expertise to express the ideas on your head, and now when we're getting to a point where anyone can just ask to get what they want from a machine instead of you, I understand why you're afraid.

⁠@@gutterg0d “I understand why you’re afraid” 🤓 You were SHAKING while typing this weren’t you😂🫵

Depends on the prompt and model really. Most of the people using these tools don't really have that much of an artistic eye and lack the skills to make something really creative out of the output that the model gives them. That's why a lot of it looks the same and they go for these baroque type of pictures with a bunch of things happening without meaning. If you look at good normal art, you can see that a lot of the elements have intent behind them. That's not the case with ai art which is why you get that soulless feel from it.

@@_loss_ Well said! Saved me from a rant.

i feel openai purposely ultra PIXAR'd the AI art so it IS obvious.. that fluffy, high contrast, complimentary colored fuzz.

@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS It's not well said, It doesn't address my point, so I'll make it clear. No matter how good the prompt/output, at the end of the day, even the best AI-generated images are soulless, even if completely indistinguishable from the artifacts of real art/music. Why? **There's no conscious mind driving the formation...** Therefore, it's AI-generated SOUND, not MUSIC... End of story. Edit: Prompting AI to create a "High quality, Soundcloud, Kendrick Lamar 808s 80BPM type beat" (or some top-tier prompt aiming for what you want) . . . **ISN'T the same as awaking to hearing music in your head and then running to conceive it exactly as you hear it...**

​@@daniel4412 I have to agree with you on ALOT that you said above here... And now i understand so much better where you are comming from. But the logic that there is no conscious mind driving anything is 50% false. Its called prompt engineering now... dont be lazy and expect 0 work from your side!!! no matter what they promise. I think AI will become as good with faking or more accurately learning "conciousness" and then use that very "conciousness" to drive the fake or learned music algo to produce that REAL FEEL music. But okay not here YET. Also i find when people manually make "High quality, Soundcloud, Kendrick Lamar 808s 80BPM type beat" it triggeres me so so hard anyway and send me running to ACTUAL artists and innovative sounds. That mentality is why this whole trap genre and the whole edm genre struggles to make money in the first place man! it gives 0 contribution to the artform (oh that 1 little thing you did differently did NOT contribute)... its something you do for a hobby... its something like fan art opposed to actual manga.... copy others originality? its also FAKE. Triggers me like you wanna get paid for this now? hehehhe . Cant you see its your imagination when it comes to AI tjhat fails YOU as THIS copy-paste-rework-the examples-mass-turnover fit in at all costs type of MENTALITY fails US ALL (including kendrik himself). Doing that its called plagiarising. Pillaging. Its Self-depricating trying to copy genius without learning what UNIVERSAL GENIUS EVEN IS. (just ask AI what is universal genius vs copying anothers's) that said try instead to prompt AI with IMPOSSIBILITIES or UNIQUE ORIGINAL IDEAS from the AI like "afro-indo, ethic, guitar instrumental with a spicy, wavey mood about reaching god after an epic battle with the devil - Neo fusion INSTRUMENTAL" then split the stems and make actual original art from it (and if you add those ratcheting hats and gritty 808's better make them ORIGINAL) Heres anothier prompt for IDEAS on how to get original 808's "Lazery, melting, warm-ooze, punchy and bendy, dissonant Aztec and Mayan trap 808's with dragon scales and smoke" Understand why AI is failing you.... and how this trying-to-fit-in hobbyist fan art derivative mentality has brought the industry to its knees. AI could save us when APPLIED and not expected to do ALL THE WORK!! I do agree with you about: *ISN'T the same as awaking to hearing music in your head and then running to conceive it exactly as you hear it...*

YES THANK YOU

Well said 👍 yep it's a total ripoff of Oblique Strategies. But it's not as good because it's very prescriptive whereas Eno's cards are deliberately vague and opaque with the suggestions so you can interpret them in wildly different ways.

@@psychicwindow8295 There was an Oblique Strategies iOS app (pretty sure it was from Eno) back when I had an iphone 4S, unfortunately it never carried forward to modern phones\iOS. not as cool as an actual deck of cards but handy to have in your pocket.

I came here to say this. Eno's cards are 50 bucks but its BRIAN BLOODY ENO

@@jjwhittle8873 there's a free oblique strategies app. it's pretty neat

I use the entire planet and everything within it. Why do gullible people who buy these cards not just look out the window or in a book? It's absolutely crazy that so many people think buying something is the solution.

In the Marvel universe the Helicarrier flies.

@@TheValueOfN ... So he's a "hella helicarrier"?

@@SlapsyJaxy Exactly! Who knows though? Lyrics are art after all and their "quality" is subjective.

It is unironically always better to use real art instead of ai art, even for placeholder images, even if it looks like shit.

interesting comparison, to Eno's credit he invented a unique unconventional concept but Andrew's shit cards are basically something from a christian bookstore

I love how pedos love calling out other pedos. oops.

AMEN. AI IS INSPIRING!!

Some people just dont understand when andrew is joking around. LOL

"Space Time" "Touch-Tone Genius" "Fluffy Unicorns"

Oh and I guess you could do this with preexisting samples of course but I have this weird guilt about relying on samples too much. I have it in my head that I have to do it all myself, aside from using one shots. But for some reason it feels less bad when I’m taking from something that didn’t exactly exist before. I don’t know…

This is such an obvious usecase ... but its harder than hating.

@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS what do you mean? I’m dumb lol

His music is bad in general lol he is technically skilled don't get me wrong, mad talented but his taste in music is questionable thus his music sucks but the quality is >>>

​@@ILikeBreadBro Yeah that's the type of people for whom AI is perfect I guess. You can force eg. 10 years into learning guitar and if you put your mind into it I bet you'll be a successful player. But ideas for songs, world-building, etc. - these come from your compassion and human interactions. Apparently that's something these people lack so badly, to the points they're excited for a computer doing it for them. Profit oriented capitalists disconnected from the roots of humanity.

You dont even try to imagine anything you havent seen before do you?. But you are welcome to your opinion.

@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS You can't even fathom my imagination Sunny. : )

@@Morales-nt6vi Thats fair. I dont know you. Wanna try share something to show me the extent of your vision? i couldnt tell from your initial comment. And ill admit its reductionist vibe triggered my AI loving ass. But you got me curious about your imagination now.

Lol u havent heard of Suno, Udio or Midjoudney I see

@@ILikeBreadBro Actually the last one I've never heard of.

THAT AND RAW FEAR OF CHANGE. I'd pay for anything that hits my soul hard. AI included. I dont get why AI gets burned for "learning" from "examples" but TRAP and EDM culture has NO PROBLEM ULTRA DILUTING ANYTHING THATS GOOD THE SECOND IT HITS THE NET. Its sometimes just raw fear. Like mp3's causing MASS HYSTERIA for lables. AI is causing mass hysteria for humans. TRUTH IS no-one is getting replaced anytime soon... its simple tech disruption wiping out the old gen. AND IM OLD!!

Not enough time in a day to polish youtube videos and social media marketing, and also polish your craft ^^

Well the thing is he makes a wide variety of music. Calling his music cringe is kinda a stretch tho

Give it time.. AI quality will JUMP and already Udio is a goldmine of textures and samples in good enough quality to make future genres with. The trick is always to break or bend the rules if you want that exciting life. For instance, DONT generate songs with udio... use it for something unexpected (trust me its rewarding as hell). Also DONT use AI generated chords... USE THAT FUCTION LIKE NO ONE ELSE CAN IMAGINE!

And who is this "Scott"? If he's a professional designer he has an online presence. So where is it?

BUY MY MUSIC!!

@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS You got Dat three fiddy?

ipad painters?

@@daniel4412 trying to put a name to a certain style of illustration usually done in digital programs like procreate or illustrator using a stylus

kinda with you on this. Thank god i pad painters are good enough to train AI to be AMAZING!

Its aweful when people think music is a easy trick and undermine the listeners need to be transported and immersed. He should have said way way way less... or meant it way way way more.. and maybe stuck to his strenghts.

He like most producesr that grew up in Trap and Edm land think its all formulas and chords and sounds... even Au5 sucks even though I'd recommend his vids for learning... infact just show me youchoober "personality" that DOES double up as quality artist believably...

No be honest. If that was true then everyone would hate TRAP and EDM as a whole. Its FEAR and a lack of IMAGINATION. Boggles my mind no one thinks about BREAKING THE RULES WITH THIS SHIT. You will always have to do things in a new way to contribute something useful.. like this channel... just ripping off the news instead of simply reporting it. ITS ART!

The argument is that a less lazy artist could have been able to pay their rent.

@@TheValueOfN em... show me one less lazy artist that can pay their rent as is. Only the artists that refuse to up their qualtiy or productivity USING AI will survive. I paid a huge price for hating on EDM and TRAP because of all the dilution and obvious steps backward... and boy was i wrong carreer wise. To this day i dont get the cultures... I DO LOVE ME SOME SWEET INNOVATION THOUGH and there ARE artists i respect.. but the "movement" is trash. No usrprise everyone still struggeling and hating on AI. NO INNOVATION and really acidic materialistic values... AI can actually fix that if were smart enough to IMAGINE newness like the leading music gods EVERYONE making tutorials about.

TRUTH. Style and psychology MATTERS.

Music is something that people do for fun. If it provides fun it makes money easily. Look at this channel... they just rip off the news and its FUN! MUSICIAN is NOT a real career. That idea is a prank played on the millions by the 1 in a million guy that CAN provide enough fun . THATS how the industry sells you the dream. Didnt you know? Or did you believe them that if you worked your ass off you would EARN your place among the stars? To this day its a lie. For the artist having FUN, and providing FUN... its much easier. Only 1 in a million will make it because they finally understand their audience and ENJOY the satisfaction they SEE... that keeps them productive.. Do you see any satisfaction in your audience? Do you see them having fun with your "music"? Do you know what fun even is? You can easily get money from people if you have what they NEED. If they dont need what you have.. change to something they DO. Theres no secret there... its called DEMAND vs SUPPLY... and the SUPPLY in your genre/platform is smothering you. Dont try to be the "best" or "greatest" or try to come up with a trick or gimmick or even improve your quality.... Try to spot a gap or a micro niche that is UNDERSUPPLIED. Mumble rap almost worked for the first few until the demand was wiped by supply. Trap still has legs but you must understand the shape and form of the demand! Edm can still work if you BREAK ALL THE RULES and create a new DEMAND. Its damn hard. It really is. We were lied to. We were lying to ourselves tooo. IF you are a great musician, the money just doesnt even matter at all! Career will depend on finding the DEMAND and it will be almost instantly. Thats why we work... to search for our true fans. The ones who think we are THE MOST FUN!! But dont trust me im a broke muso too (but mostly cause im that talented lazy fuck who is a social and too lazy to provide the fun in the first place)

People gobble up AI music? I had no idea we've fallen that low already.

@@daniel4412 _some_ people, and mostly as some genre of novelty (comedy songs or kids replacing every singer with Michael Jackson)

@@daniel4412 They have. Its a highly interactive and personalised way to have INSTANT FUN. Kinda like creating your avatar for a game, or playing minecraft or getting good trick in a daw. FUN.

@@crnkmnky THIS IS THE GODLY TRUTH. Well said! EASY TO UNDERSTAND AFTERALL.

@@crnkmnky Sure, it can be fun to play with, I've played around with AI generated images, but it's not art and this (AI generated sound) isn't music. Ai generated images. Ai generated sound.

If AI threatens your job.... more than your lack of imagination, talent and discipline, you've been suckered into the "everything must stay the same or we are all doomed" mentality, Facebook and Spotify fucked you LONG before AI did... AI is BOOSTING my creativity, Imagination, Critical thinking, psychological understanding, and business skillset to the NEXT level... you were replacable before... your shit didnt sell before... you couldnt build a brand before... Now you are just EXTRA obsolete because your bars suck harder than andrews, you couldnt invent shit and just reworked everyone elses shit... you kept jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon... Tech just fucks you everytime... You got all the samples, all the software, all the collaborators... all the TECH... but you chose to COPY, DILUTE and PLAGERISE instead of CREATE, CONCENTRATE and INNOVATE. hehehe... AI hate triggers me almost as much as dog eat dog self canibalising gangster trap / edm culture. Just tripple down on SOUL and IMAGINATION and AUTHENTICITY.. or go blame AI for just being better at that then you. Im also mad that i suck okay?

Nah I can't agree on this. It's a fair point but nuance is nice

@@XantuxNepomuk yeah, of course I won't write a 20 line comment. But the point stands, you can be right (or partially right) and be so anoying that most people will want nothing to do with you.

I have no problem writing 20 line comments... but this is truth you speak. I get SUPER TRIGGERED by AI arguments but its only my own fault too heheheh

Yes just lay down and take it, stop fighting and just pretend you like it. Nope.

​@@famousarmystudio i feel you bro. You dont have to do that. I dont think that is the ask. But honestly i think you haven't tried any AI product with your full imagination yet. If you have you'd see that its still GOING TO GET REAL GOOD at satisfying our deepest needs and desires at some point. For me it satisfies my thirst for REASONING and solving mysteries with critical thinking. NOW THAT I DID NOT EXPECT! Coding indicators for deeper crypto trading, researching and designing next level acoustic treatment for my studio, learning easily and deeply complicated psychological concepts. Also last three days i've generated some wonkey and juicy as glitches and lo fi artefacts with "text to sample" by trying to make it do the impossible. Im using its badness for good! Up to you to figure out what use you can squeeze from it. But i promise you im learning things using AI and getting results that i thought was for the next generation! Think NEO in the matrix... how they download shit into their brains.. AI can structure data and images and audio that is INSTANTLY ABSORBABLE. Just try to bend it to your will.