The Andy and Leyley Haters Are Wrong | joyce-stick 

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I don't like how there is so many people that go against the game for one scene that doesn't even truly happen, I'm sure this interactions wouldn't even happen in the game anyway later on, rather the scene was shown or not, but the fact our host here even says they have done many MORE arguably WORSE things, shows that people do not have the knowledge to understand what is worse than what, do not know the effect they have on other's lives when they say or do what they do, until it finally eventually happens to them. It's unfair. Especially to the creator, and the actions people took against them or their close ones... it just reminds me, in 2 or 3 generations, maybe even this newest generation, will turn the world into the exact world we see in the game.

this whole situation makes me think of one of my favourite Tim Rodgers quotes (well there are a lot of those): "anyone who says "I don't understend why anyone would..." should look up the word empathy"

OK she bad but Ashley is still kinda cute tho In all seriousness I enjoyed the vid, always hoping for the best :3

i wish i had known more channels like yours, great video

Really good video, I haven't played this game yet but I've been on its side, generally more on its right to exist but its nice to actually hear someone tackle and discuss the things its saying instead of discoursing around it on either side. It made me realize that even being supportive of it I still had done a disservice, or have been done a disservice by others, since I'd never heard anything about the actual story within. The whole closing point at the end really resonated, its honestly embarrassing how most mainstream publications aren't even capable of discussing and looking at media like this critically, let alone people in general. Its so much more freeing, enriching, and actually helpful to talk about these things than just our disgust (or lack thereof) of their existence. I've come to so greatly value all the weirdos, freaks and no-name RU-vid uwu girls who delve into works like this earnestly, without endless qualifiers or signaling disgust and disapproval at every turn. Thank you! Also as a side note: I really appreciate the tumblr transcript! Halfway through the video I couldn't listen for reasons but then realized I could just read the rest and even retain it better that way. I did go back to listen to the rest when I could, I just now I wish more youtubers would do this, having the option is nice!

This video is great, witty and written flawlessly. Great Job :D

Great video! Enjoyed it a lot. Was kinda surprised, since very rarely when actual analysis of this game is done, it seems to focus on codependency, and this video also focused on the theme of neglect, that I didn’t even consider till now. So kinda cool perspective. Especially since the two seem to fit so well together. It’s also a bit weird to me how the game praised by almost everyone that played it still got controversial to the point that the controversy is discussed more than the game itself. But I guess most truly controversial works are that way.

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley is how we found out about Nemlei, and chapter 2 felt like it fixed something that was wrong with us. And while I don't know if it's in contention for our favourite game, I DO know that another game they made Better Half (a game which I'm not sure how one could try and interpret through any lens except that of a system) is probably our second favorite game ever, right behind the interactive treatise on radical compassion that is Paraphore

Really should get around to playing this soon

Thank you so much for this video, really good

and thank you for making this video :>

I think we have a serious problem with media literacy in this country. Like it is concearning how whenever topics are presented people rage about it. Like you don’t have to like it but we need more media literacy

Content warning for heterosexuality is why I stick around. Love it when creators get it. On another note, some theories of art say that art exists to teach people about themselves. I've really wanted to speak with someone who had a visceral reaction to Andy and Leyley and ask them if maybe it gave them some insight into themselves they didn't like. Unfortunately, the people I know who played it love it.

I gotta say, my feelings about this game have always been, "well, a lot of people really hate it so it's gotta be something right." After watching this video, I don't think this game's really for me because I don't really like stories where _everyone_ sucks, but I have way more respect for it. Hearing that the lead creator was doxxed and isn't present on the internet anymore was fucking devastating. I wish people could just let others create extremely dark and uncomfortable things without flying off the handle. I wish people could just sit with their discomfort and try to understand it rather than assuming that the thing that triggered it must be heinous. Thank you for this video. Also man that Kotaku Australia article... the headline seemed to suggest to me a kind of disgusted enthusiasm, like, "wow this game is so fucked up... AND I LOVE IT!" and I'm really disappointed to see that the author is just pearl-clutching.

I went to far for your speech lol, but hope you are doing great and thanks for bringing up this game! Also to people who thinks inscet is worse than cannibalism, they think step sis on porn is attractive.

Comment's coming a little late, but I wanted to share. Even if we look past that this game was illustrating an obviously undesirable parental situation and that the parents are vile and abusive to their own children which was what brought the world a whole host of troubles, I genuinely think human sexuality is beautiful *because* it is so fucked up. That in all of those books on sexuality written by Freud, or Wilhelm Reich, or Alan Watts, or Masoch, or De Sade, or the great many works in myth, poetry, music, comics, and internet culture, we do see great truths of what it is that is lurking inside all of us and how scary it can be. There are many cultures and societies today that seek to restrict and oppress the id, and its innocent, childlike cravings to pursue sensual pleasure in all of its forms, which I really do think is the biggest gift given to us by life, and to be enjoyed alongside with our gifted intelligence and morality. Denying that these shadows exist in all of us is inherently puritan and authoritarian(even fascist) by its spirit, and denying the way fantasies are nourishing and give us a better insight into the things we're lacking or unspoken emotions is another way to fashion people as a tool and a means for an oppressive power. I understand that it takes courage to face how scary and ugly the shadowy parts of sexuality can be, but it isn't ugly because it is evil, but because it is innocent, and so ready to grow and connect with you and with other people. One should be happy that, even if you absorb the shadow in your own makeup, and you let yourself enjoy its pleasures and catharsis and allow it to connect you to the world and people at large, you should still feel triumphant that even after relishing with it, you choose to live and act in kindness to yourself and to other people. Embrace your shadow.

This was great y'all, make sure to brag about it to all your alters!! ❤❤❤

Congrats on the VTuber model!

The point about taboos is sadly very true :(

Good video👌

Look, I want to play it, since day 1 I heard even but i got the unwritten rule that i only want to play finished games. And now I need to ask, will this game ever get completed or should I play it now?

Is it only on Steam or is it available to buy anywhere else?

Good video

It's straight, yeah, but a little bit of estrogen could change that.

still searching till this day why people defend incest game

I'm playing the game right now and the reaction to it on the internet is soo exaggerated. It's a funny little edgelord game with great character work. IMO it's best understood as a character piece and possibly a power fantasy (as many people have loved the parent killing scene) If I were to take it more as a commentary on capitalism I'd hold it in higher standards. For example I didn't even realize the setup is in reference to the Flint water crisis, which is an example of environmental racism. Divorcing it from that context in a game where the art style itself kinda excludes black people is very 'wouldn't it be fucked up if this happened to white people' It's a great game if the humor and characters appeal to you. if not, then not, but it doesn't even have particularly disturbing content. if you enjoy horror at all you see and read way worse all the time. thank you for your review

What's sad about the discourse was that you have right-wing weebs coming out and defending this game from the critics bashing it for its taboo subjects because said taboo subjects are anti-woke, and to them, anti-woke = good game, even though this game has an anti-capitalist message.