The Anti-Tank Machine Gun 

Pros: -70rpm -can provide indirect fire -can engage aircraft -can pen 430mm Cons: -can't kill a T80 in one shot -can't bust bunkers in an arbitrary number of shots Damn, guess it's completely useless :(

Hey Spooks would you be interested in doing a video of large bore cannons on aircraft? Like the 75mm on the B25?

Perhaps it would be nice for the HSVTL to have the ability to fly, reach speeds of 300mph, be able to use the triple schlop schlop 3000 76mm APFSDSHESSHVT rounds with 4000mm of penetration firing at 3000 rpm with anti-aircraft radar, only needs a br increase of about 0.3 imo.. But seriously, interesting weapon here

Anti tank machine gun sounds like something out of the Mythbusters

At this rate spookston will be better known as “That HSTVL guy” better than the “f-word tank guy”

I find it hilarious that the US canned this in the 70s because it'd have difficulties against the new T80s, and meanwhile in 2022 the Russians are still using T-72s in Ukraine.

It’d be fun to see the HSTV(L) buffed to these standards and given the Delta-6 round, but up-BRed

The HIMAG is honestly more interesting than the HSTVL because it could fire faster and the latest version had a radar that gave the gunner the capability to select targets and the gun would engage them without direct input. The HIMAG is my top pick for a event vehicle for WT. Fits perfectly at 9.7 because it has no armor.

Honestly imagining a stryker or some modern IFV with this gun and some side mounted TOW-2s (like the bradley) would have probably been a pretty effective system

"it can't bust bunkers" well yea what did you expect it's still a 75. I'm sure given enough time it could mess it up with just sheer numbers but, it seems like a silly reason to scrap the whole thing. I guess someone there was still really holding onto the Sheridan having the ability to bunker bust I guess. Still could have just kept existing Sheridan's specifically for their bunker busting role as just a light demolition/support vehicle really.

HSTV-L, a case of "don't let perfect be an enemy of really good". Army wanted perfect when they already had a really good _light tank_ that would do wonders paired with MBTs and perhaps a few ATGMs mounted on the turret.

I like how the end of the video said they didn't want to lose the capability of Sheridan's bunker-destroying abilities. Less than a decade later they got rid of the sheridan.

Ah, I see it’s time for another video in the regularly scheduled series; “Spookston talks about the HSTV-L.”

I find it interesting that AAI originally participated in the SPIW trials, and went on to attempt to apply the SPIW program's guiding principle to tanks in the HSTVL

Idk about the rest of you but 70 rpm indirect fire sounds terrifying. Especially if they made it work with a 90mm. Imagine like 8 of these guns firing off long bursts

Interwar: "Hey, you know what we need? An anti-tank machine gun." *[becomes obsolete before put into production]* Cold War: "Hey, you know what we need? An anti-tank machine gun." *[becomes obsolete before put into production]* Can't wait for the next round of anti-tank machine guns in a few decades.

Always entretaining to see Spook talking again about the HSTV--L.

This might very well be as close as humanity ever got to "Enuf Dakka"

it think the problem lays with the army wanting more and more : first a fast firing anti tank gun , then anti helicopter/plane, then anti fortifications

Army high command : "the gun is clearly not suited for taking out bunkers, what should we do ?" AAI : "JusT SHooT mORe"

_"Cortana, you have the MAAAAAAAC cannon."_

the fact that the HSTV-L wasn't mentioned once in this video baffles me

like someone already mention it, the problem with effective tank killing could be solved by a TOW missile system added to thr turret, back then those should be already available, the M551 sheridan had the shillelagh missle, so the technology was there the bradly later used it and the bmp 1 and 2 had also a AT system

I feel they should've just given it another role. Like you said, front-to-front shootouts between MBTs are rare. This thing, with the right intelligence, could have shredded anything that was not an MBT but still a threat to friendly forces. Of course, if other tanks could do that for less money, that's another story I guess...

hey, do you think you could put together an armoured fighting force (with no country and budget limits) based on your War Thunder experience? kinda like the Elbonian small arms program from Forgotten Weapons, but more serious.

something that i realised today while playing is that tow 2b does almost nothing on soviet mbts while it kill everyone on nato mbts might be something worth checking out. And no it doesnt have anything to do with ERA tested it on mbts without

Army: make smol gun to kill inferior and obsolete Soviet tanks fast bc there is a lot of them. Also army: make it lighter, smaller but literally the same as our bigger and heavier gun, but lighter and smaller, also kill bunkers lol

That's pretty cool. I actually wondered if there's any possibility that those 90mm machineguns in shows like Gundam could even exist and it turns out it is! The only problems would be accuracy and material wear, something these shows tend to ignore.

in an alternate timeline there is probably a video saying "Can you believe this thing was almost canned"

There is a table top game called WWIII:Team Yankee by Battlefront games that takes place in the 1980s and has the Ares gun system called the RDF/LT (Rapid Deployment Force/ Light Tank) and it is pretty great if used properly, put it in a concealed position and it will wreak BMPs, T-55s and while not a guaranteed killer against the front of T-64s and T-72s gives them something to worry about. Against T-80s and T72Bs it needs a side shot to do anything, but that’s what other units either TOWs, Hellfires, or 120mm main gun tanks are for.

I want them to add the proximity fuse shell, but I don’t think gaijin will even consider adding the that shell for the HSTVL

I absolutely love the idea! We need more of them!

Was expecting the mg08 in 13mm tuf but this is also very nice

that ODST music at the end got me

hearing that odst music at the end reminded me I appreciate your work specifically the redesigns thanks

The nuke at the end was a good touch

My man making me cry with the end credits. Remember Reach.

UK and France have developed a 40mm version that can reportedly penetrate 1000mm. It is now entering service.

Great video!

Do you know anything about the new Panther MBT by Rheinmetal?

Sounds like industrual insidership competition to me. Some assclown in the petagon is hearing from General Dynamics, "ooohhh noooo, you cant let baby Ares outbid us on designs doooo somethinggg." Future Gen. Dynamics Board Member/Pentagon R&D Officer: "This super gun does not pop bunkers. We will continue business with General Dynamics, sorry Ares."

average Sherman player with a .50 cal

Was that a Fencer dropping tactical nuke from low-low altitude at the end of the video?!

It is missing the discussion about at what ranges it could perform what. There is a problem for light and fast projectiles in how drag works. The Fulda gap would not have seen much coming around the corner behind your tank battles...

Would be interesting to this gun design revisited and updated on the US Army's Bradley replacement.

Wait wait wait combustible casing sounds like the smartest thing I’ve ever heard. We definitely have the technology for that. That’s could be the biggest game changer to hit warfare since drones.

The Most American thing ever, An Anti-tank Machine-Gun… *”The ATM-Gun”* :D

Hi! Would you interested in a video about tank burnout types, and how many % was them? Like after a tank gets penetrated, and the ammo goes up, how many times was it just start burning slow(er)/fast, or blow up the whole tank? I mostly talk about WWII, and cold war era tanks, but i would exclude tanks with blow-out panels, except if the non protected ammo gets hit (like turkish leo 2s) It would be interesting, because in videos, i mostly saw t-72s to burn out, but leo 2s to completly blow up

Spookston loves his hstvl

I don’t know if you read comments, but could you possibly make a video addressing the issue of how the game is currently unplayable on Mac? That would be amazing :)

Eugene Stoner actually mentions the ammo in the "Stoner Tapes" amateur docu on the M16.

A vehicle with this gun would make a nasty ambush vehicle that can rip many tank form side of back if they travel in a convoy.

Actually a good little show!

It'd be pretty cool if we swapped the 105mm on the MPF for this thing.

Chile's armored cavalry weapon opted for a similar option for a while, with the M-60 HVMS Super Sherman.

MCAAC reminds me of the series of people learning to animate a dragon to jump on the CAAC

Keep it up Spook, I love your vids. I hope to play WT one day

That was actually pretty interesting to learn about

Another spookston hstvl video time to take a shot

Ironic that the Bushmaster autocannons have seen upscaling from 25mm all the way to 50mm, the latter just within the last few years.

I like how the U.S created a bunch of potentially very effective weapons and devices but then decided to "fvck it, we're going conventional" like what the hell?

Quick-firing 57mm autocannon is easily capable of rendering ANY modern MBT mobility/mission kill. You don't need to penetrate armor into compartment. Most of the time it is enough to destroy main armament (tank cannon) and rip tracks. When firing from any other angle than front, even 30mm autocannons are very dangerous for tanks like Leopard2 or Abrams. If you combine such vehicle carrying 57mm autocannon with anti-tank missiles, you have anti-armor beast. 75mm cannon is even more potent, BUT at some point you run into capacity issues. With larger rounds carried capacity (and reloading speed) goes down. 40-57mm rounds have roughly the best capacity/performance ratio.

This made me wanna play Armoured Warfare

God I need to see some footage of that 70 shots per minute ...

This gun would have helped solved the Armys current lack of SPAAG. Interesting how the firing rate is super low compared to the WWII era 75mm Naval AA gun that gave in the hundreds of RPM.

With the GAU-8, this gun system was redundant. The 30mm kinetic rounds from the A-10 were a very effective armor-killer, and has some use against bunkers.

Well, IDK about 75 mm as a gun size, but the Germans used their flazpanzers (20 mm or 37 mm) on ground targets with great effect. FWIW, our vehicles, usually half-tracks, that had the "Quad twenties" or a 40 mm Bofors, also were often used more on ground targets, as by early '45 the Luftwaffe was largely out of business.

Interesting idea of a high caliber Autocannon. The issues seems minor, but they are critical. #1 A high rate of fire weapon means you have to actually carry enough ammunition for sustained fire. #2 You have to plan for multiple purposes and one of the most basic things a tank may fight are Infantry. High velocity weapons have poor anti-infantry properties as they shells have to be reinforced decreasing the explosive content. This isnt a new issue. Anti-Aircraft capabilities sounds great, but unless its a missile that only means you can shoot at Helicopters in hover mode. Thats a great example of some issues. High caliber anti-aircraft autocannons in the 20-40mm range could only hold a relatively small amount of ammunition, usually enough to fire for less than 60 seconds at full rate. I see this 75mm autocannon blowing through its ammunition too quickly to actually be sustainable. It could have been useful on light vehicles

Part the reason this tank was not put into service was its lack of storage for amo ( 20-30 rounds ), this is part the reason it fired in burst.

The ultimate anti tank machine gun is the 7.92mm on the Panzer IC on world of tanks

"Anti-Tank Machine Gun" 4 words that sound weird together

I'm actually curious now because the OTOMATIC has a larger round and faster fire rate which makes me curious how it's possible

Very informativ!

Even if it didn't work out it's a very cool concept

50mm Automatic 2 inch wide round, insane firepower.

Got to love army acronyms. Sire what's that over there, well private that's MCAAC. Lmao

make a video about hstvl= praise and positive thoughts. now i wonder what will happen if you make a video about pt-76-57....

Very good Soookston, besides your usual entertaining video I was glad to see the US had seriously considered the basic thought of gun size. Tanks are not like battleships, you can not just keep making bigger platforms for bigger guns. While ultimately this idea did not work, even to this day we should be looking into different kinds of ammunition and different protection schemes. Land warfare does not treat a handful of huge weapons platforms well which is the path larger and larger conventional guns leads to.

That would take care of a space marine incursion.

Yay new spandex upload

Was there a cumulative effect? Like, 3 rounds from the Super 75 hiring the same spot, doing progressive damage to the armour?

Spookston Anti Tank Machine Guns are being used in real life! We call them The M2HB Browning

leave it to the US army to say that a vehichle's not good enough because it meets and/or exceeds the demands of ONLY their initial request.

Spook just wrecking with the HSTV-L, as usual

Hello! Thanks for the video, hope you are doing well

We want to deal with bunkers and fortifications but this gun doesn't do enough damage. JUST SHOOT MORE!

What i just don't get it why not just make 1 and a half new vehicles, right? Make the M551 Sheridan, then also make the HSTVL/CCVL Turret/Gun and just mount it on the existing Sheridan Chassis/Transmission/Powerpack/etc. Cause, in my mind, i just can't see any reason why that isn't the most optimal solution outside of logistics. And while yes, logistics is really like damn near 75% of war, then 15% is intelligence, and the last 10% is actually combat; I still think the Sheridan/HSTVL combo would've been worth it. The reason i think it'd be so worth it is because i honestly don't think anyone can convince me that even a full platoon of Sheridans (so 4) would be more combat capable than 1 Sheridan and 1 HSTVL, within their intended role. Like, first of all, let's pressuppose i'm correct on that 4 Sheri's v 1Sheri/1HSTVL logic. If you've got a Tank Platoon supporting Infantry, in an ideal world you're gonna want at least 1 _full company_ of infantry to support that armor element, giving you a 1 Platoon Inf. per Tank ratio. If you're rolling with 1 Sheridan & 1 HSTVL, i'd argue you could potentially get away with a single platoon of infantry to provide security for both of the vehicles, seeing as how devastating the implication of 70 rounds per minute of 60mm HE would be against infantry. So in that situation you could have a single Company of Infantry supporting 2 Air-Deployable Armor Platoons 4 Sheridans and 4 HSTVL's, two of each in each platoon. Then the second thing i just can't unwrap my head around is, if you'll excuse my word-inventioneering, the sheer tactical elasticity you get from having a Fat-Ass 152mm Howitzer/Rocket Tube _AND_ a 70 rpm 60mm Anti-Tank Machinegun supporting an infantry platoon at the same time. Like the combat flexibility is absurd. Helicopters? HSTVL. Concrete Fortifications that would make the Fuhrer blush? Sheridan, HE. Mid-1950's China-Style Division-Sized Infantry Rush across flat ground? HSTVL. Like yeah, i'm being flippant and providing kind of insane scenarios, but you see my point right? Every time i hear about/think about the XM274, the CCVL Program, or the concept of an 'ATMG' in general, this kinda shit is all i can think about. In my mind all i can see is all of this seemingly _wasted_ potential and it bums me out man.

There is a video of UAFs BTR taking out two Russian T 72s with its 30mm AP rounds.

spookston i have a "tank" idea that should be added to war thunder: the 2cv GHAN1 it can be a low tier spaa for france or great brittan or a decently mid tier fast TD as it can use the 75mm recoilles rifle. Please its my fav vehicle. i will keep this up till i quit war thunder asking for this vehicle

I kinda see this thing reappear soon in form of armament of drones :)

Hi @Spookston do you have a video regarding the practically use of the double barrel tanks (*cough 🤢, RA1 Heavy Tank) 🙄?

am i tripping or do i hear subnautica music in the background

Makes me think of today's Jaguar EBRC

The true reason this tank wasn't made was because after wargaming, the devs of real-life decided it was way too OP and it wouldn't be fair to the other tanks. :)

The KPV could be considered an anti tank machine gun considering it fires the same round used by Soviet anti tank rifles. It's a bit of stretch ik.

with ifv's getting 50mm autocannons, would that mean that this doctrine is technically revived?

Reminds me of the Israeli 60mm HVMS and its burst feature

Fun fact: it says "XB30mm" in the url, is this the ghost of Eugene Stoner himself?

Isn't the gun at the start of the video (00:00-00:05) the Close Combat Vehicle / CCV (近接戦闘車)?

Anything to do another HSTV (L) vid....lol Way cool by me 👍👍 many thanx.