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The Arc That KILLED The Ben 10 Fanbase | The Dagon War 

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@hessiankyojin
@hessiankyojin Год назад
The Kuro hair lore still continues even as seasons pass
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
It’s the most complex and satisfying arc in the whole franchise
@RaidensBoobies17
@RaidensBoobies17 Год назад
@@monkiking778 by the end of OV he goes bald agin
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
@@RaidensBoobies17 full circle
@notevenalex
@notevenalex Год назад
@@monkiking778 just like the show,perhaps his hair Is a metaphor for the ben 10 series💀
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
@@notevenalex Maybe so
@artslife4424
@artslife4424 Год назад
I love how Kuro has become the leader or figurehead of the Ben Ten Community. Keeping the show relevant, gathering the fans together and shouting them out. This channel has done great things, keep it up.
@TheInkTank
@TheInkTank Год назад
Thank you - happy to help keep the community alive!
@AmitCinematicUniverse
@AmitCinematicUniverse Год назад
There are other figures that keep factions of the Ben 10 community active, but Kuro is probably the most famous one. I can name a few.
@MozWeiner
@MozWeiner Год назад
@@AmitCinematicUniverse do it then
@Murtuza786
@Murtuza786 Год назад
That might be true only for the english speaking fandom or should I say faction. As the biggest fanbase of Ben 10 namely Indian fans have been running several Ben 10 RU-vid channels. However I must admit Kuro does a lot better job than anyone .... Kudos To Kuro!!!
@AmitCinematicUniverse
@AmitCinematicUniverse Год назад
@@MozWeiner The Incredible Muffin, Ultimate 10, and me. These three write our Ben 10 fanfictions and try to unite people who love Ben 10 even if they are not into Kuro's stuff. Muffin is the best of the three of us due to his clearer vision and determination to focus most of his free time at his projects.
@El_Keck
@El_Keck Год назад
Breakdowns always drop while I'm doing my economics homework. Thank you Kuro for making me company while studying, it's always nice.
@allforone3427
@allforone3427 Год назад
Ironically they only show up for me when I'm not doing anything. When I least expect it.
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
It jello squid time
@allforone3427
@allforone3427 Год назад
@@monkiking778 sounds like something Grandpa Max would say when introducing a new recipe. You'll never guess what it is kiddo.
@holayoseremi1788
@holayoseremi1788 Год назад
For me he only show up when I am sad
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
@@allforone3427 dude I never realized that we are making dagon soup
@leithaziz2716
@leithaziz2716 Год назад
Your perspective on fans losing interest during this season and it having to do with the lack of focus and the quality of episodes is deffinitely true to some extent. To me, I think UAF hit a point of fatigue where the show started to feel very same-ey. As polarizing as Omniverse must have felt when it first premired, it helped freshen things up again and after 6 seasons of UAF, a shake-up to the formula was certainly welcomed.
@KraylebStudios
@KraylebStudios Год назад
Yes. This. Ultimate Alien just felt like the same thing over and over
@LucyWest370
@LucyWest370 Год назад
@@KraylebStudios Exactly, Five aliens to catch, four Map pieces, then five episodes of Ultimate Kevin all in a row and then basically nothing.
@KraylebStudios
@KraylebStudios Год назад
@@LucyWest370 I'm fine with filler episodes and stuff, but season 1 and 2 blend together too much
@LucyWest370
@LucyWest370 Год назад
@@KraylebStudios yeah
@tatianarodriguesdeandrade402
I have say that I agree with you and kuro, I have many problems with Greg and Kevin arc but at last they are memorable but besides this I felt that UA are hard to watch entirely because I felt tired of watch boring concepts over and over and when comes a new thing (Dagon arc) with potential its not well executed in my opnion, at least the Gwen episode and the prisoner 775 episode are sweet
@ArtTheGaleWind
@ArtTheGaleWind Год назад
I think the hatred towards magic is meant to be a reference to christian's hatred for witches back in the medieval era, since the knights are clearly from religious origin (the tale of saint george and the dragon IS a christian tale) and christians autorities hunted witches
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
Yeah, honestly If the censors allowed it One would expect much more religous references with the forever knights. Ironically whenever ben 10 has referenced Christianity it’s with characters that aren’t really related…except maybe azmuth when he likened ben to noah but it wasn’t in context with George.
@Error_-ct2vp
@Error_-ct2vp Год назад
Honestly UAF has some Christian elements. The fact they didn’t want magic to be real or that they retconned Gwen’s magic to just being Alien DNA. The omnitrix being “Noah’s Ark”. The story of st. george and the dragon. The belief in god. Chromostone (Sugilite) basically being Jesus Christ and with the second coming of him saving Petropia. It’s obvious the writers or Dwayne McDuffie was Christian.and that’s why McDuffie ruined Ben 10
@Chimerathedragon
@Chimerathedragon Год назад
@@Error_-ct2vp I wouldn't say Ruined but he did kind of throw a lot out and made it slightly more boring, I don't mind Chromastone being a part of Petropia but him being this big Savior of the planet and species feels weird, maybe he should've been an experiment or something that gained sentience, I do think Magic should've stayed a thing and they once again reconned it back into existence it's just that Gwen can now use Mana powers and Magic (Even though Mana is a type of Magic it's just life energy which is basically a way to say Magic has a limit and It's dependent on how much Mana you can harness)
@Tw0Dots
@Tw0Dots Год назад
@@Error_-ct2vp not what ruined it kiddo, but tell to r/atheists ig lmao
@Yami1300
@Yami1300 Год назад
Ironic Since Christians believe in magic
@JordanFringe94
@JordanFringe94 Год назад
I’m so sorry I’m late to this! Truly appreciate the shout out, thank you for being the heart of the Ben 10 community and I’m honored you enjoyed the content and for the shout out!
@TheInkTank
@TheInkTank Год назад
It's all good - thanks for stopping by! Really loved your collection of Ben 10 videos so I'm happy to try to get those that might've missed them to give em a view.
@vorobuh_the_1
@vorobuh_the_1 Год назад
The reason Kuro does short breakdowns between long ones is to give himself time to change his hair
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Год назад
Ah yes it all makes sense
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
It all make sense now
@ahmed4363
@ahmed4363 Год назад
That makes too much sense
@theitfactorjameswheezer2852
He’s slowly transforming into Roman Reigns
@infernoherbatoholik8411
@infernoherbatoholik8411 Год назад
50 hair styles of Kuro
@devastatheseeker9967
@devastatheseeker9967 Год назад
I love how jury rig went from "oh god this guy..." in uaf to "LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO!" In omniverse
@thecreepers3478
@thecreepers3478 Год назад
Clockwork redesign in ov was also better than ua
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Год назад
and he had cooler scenes in OV too
@SpectacularSpidey670
@SpectacularSpidey670 Год назад
@@thecreepers3478 don't forget Eatle too
@vesha6274
@vesha6274 Год назад
I didn't really care for him in either of the shows tbh
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Год назад
@@vesha6274 maybe this scene will make it better? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CvQMrxVaLd4.html
@NoahStorys
@NoahStorys Год назад
"At this point if he can't shoot a lazer he isn't a ben 10 character" It's confirmed, Kevin isn't a Ben 10 character
@auditect950
@auditect950 Год назад
He does get a laser gun in the final Episode
@monkephrog5984
@monkephrog5984 6 месяцев назад
He used to shoot electricity, you could argue its a lazer
@theredgaruda
@theredgaruda Год назад
If I was writing season 3, I would’ve made three arcs since there were more episodes than the first two seasons. The first two arcs would’ve been continuation from the movies. Arc 1 would’ve been continued from Alien Swarm. Arc 2 would’ve focused on Eon and Ben 10,000, leading up to the Dagon arc.
@SpectacularSpidey670
@SpectacularSpidey670 Год назад
These are very cool ideias, i'm going to use in my rewrite of UAF
@abboud6393
@abboud6393 Год назад
I think the Knight's anti-magic sentiment would have come across better if we saw them hoarding magical items more, like they attempted with that sword in classic, basically as the equivalent of Alien Tech. it also would have been nice to see them some standarized magic equipement in addition to alien tech as part of their normal gear and normal weapons. They certainly would seem more of a unique and legit thread that way.
@toonman5099
@toonman5099 Год назад
It DOES feel like them relying on more magi-tech would be a better route for them to do. It at least fits their anti-alien viewpoint. Plus you could still have them as a decent threat even if they aren't THAT much of a threat. Like at the very least, they feel like they SHOULD be on par with an average Plumber. Just sort of an anti-alien extremist group. Because I do like the idea in concept, but a lot of the time the execution just feels cookie cutter and poorly done. Like honestly I don't remember if we even see any in Omniverse.
@johnnygyro2295
@johnnygyro2295 Год назад
@Toonman509 One faction of Forever Knights does show up in Omniverse led by Joseph Chadwick. But I think it's stated that, after the Dagon War, his faction's the last one active?
@toonman5099
@toonman5099 Год назад
@@johnnygyro2295 Does it fit better with or have the idea I presented? Because I get the feeling they're still kind of basic b!+@#es even as far into Omniverse. XD
@johnnygyro2295
@johnnygyro2295 Год назад
@Toonman509 They only appear twice if I remember right. But in their second appearance, Chadwick is trying to get Excalibur. I'm not sure if that helps?
@toonman5099
@toonman5099 Год назад
@@johnnygyro2295 I mean it fits their knight motif, but I mean more like if they tried to use magitech as their regular armaments, or went after ancient powerful magic relics. What does Excalibur count as?
@damienofthedamned
@damienofthedamned Год назад
*Deep breaths* - These knights are just blending together - Forever Knights: Normal People Only! - George was old in the retirement home, back in the 70s....and no one questioned it? - I love this arc, being basically Ben 10 vs Lovecraft. But I think it'd be interesting if they illustrated how "different" Lucubra was, like the Ultimatrix trying to scan it only to go "Error!" or something. - I don't mind Chromastone flying, my personal theory is that with Sugilite released, it unlocked some hidden abilities within him. - So....Does this clarified what kind of metal NRG wears? - Demons, Zombies and Dimensions! - To think, all this trouble....and Lucubra is really like "an insect" to Dagon.
@auditect950
@auditect950 Год назад
The error message would have been so cool! kind of like the Pokèdex failing to read Mewtwo.
@damienofthedamned
@damienofthedamned Год назад
@@auditect950 Exactly!
@madladdie7069
@madladdie7069 Год назад
I mean, I don't think the Ultimatrix would even try to scan (the?) Lucubra. It goes "Uncatalogued DNA Detected" when it knows there's a DNA sample that it can scan. Then again, I like the idea of the Ultimatrix interacting weirdly with it. Hmm, how about the sample doing something like what Ra'ad did and making a Lucubra the only transformation shown on the dial or maybe even making Ben in all his forms vulnerable to control.
@damienofthedamned
@damienofthedamned Год назад
@@madladdie7069 You have a point. But my point being is simply that it'd be neat to see Lucubra illustrated as something "different", more "alien" than just alien.
@auditect950
@auditect950 Год назад
@@madladdie7069 I think the implication here is that the Lucubra can somehow exist without having a DNA, which makes it a lot more unique among all the alien creatures.
@stephenmymomtoldmenottoput1459
I also think that Kevin's jealousy comes in part from the fact that he and Cooper are friends, and while Cooper has a crush on Gwen, Kevin trusts him to not try anything whereas Winston's just some random dude.
@jagnestormskull3178
@jagnestormskull3178 Год назад
Just building on what you were saying, I'd like to note that in the Ultimate Kevin Arc, Kevin didn't come for Cooper until the latter started helping Ben. Cooper is the only Plumber's Kid that Kevin didn't go after. That means that Kevin views Cooper, deep down, as a _genuine_ friend, unlike his friends in the underworld.
@TheRealShatterGlass
@TheRealShatterGlass Год назад
A potential idea for how the Knights could've been handled for Season 3. First and foremost, the Forever Knights have a clear purpose: To protect Earth from other worlds. They're a foil to the Plumbers, in that they want to protect their people, but the Knights deem all aliens to be evil, or at least not to be trusted. Team Tennyson is deemed as a threat to this goal, viewing them as an obstacle to their research and constantly undermining their efforts by allowing aliens to know of Earth and risk invasion. Just Ben alone is enough to have them worried. They've seen how cocky Ben can get, especially when fame gets to his head, and they're also paranoid that Ben doesn't have Earth's best interest at heart. One person should not be Earth's best defense. Still, the amount of encounters with Ben has resulted in less support, especially since they're seen as less than a joke. If it were up to me, the Knights by Season 3, or at least a faction that can either be newly formed or simply have been always there, would decide to take another approach to protecting Earth from aliens. They begin a more public cult. The Knights begin recruiting more everyday citizens and spread the word of how aliens are evil and we must defend ourselves. This eventually leads to them arming citizens and possibly the police with Alien Tech, arguing that they have a right to bear arms, regardless of who or what made it. However, the Knights don't give out weapons like candy. They only give them to folks who've earned the right to wield them in their eyes: folks who receive proper training and are willing to follow the Forever Knights. By the time the Dagon Arc begins, the Forever Knights have a few more numbers. Still, Sir Reginald manages to find a cave with the Forever Knight Symbol and believes it to house more alien tech, hopefully something that can make them as powerful as Ben. However, Winston is able to suspect the Seal's true nature, but is unable to translate enough or warn Sir Reginald before he opens it up. From there, the arc continues as it does… for now.
@artist-gj
@artist-gj Год назад
Personally I do kinda like the Dagan arc, for like 9 seasons of the series they've tried and failed for one reason or another to do something with the knights, so now finally they get one big ambitious story arc dedicated to them and their history, uniting all of the different factions together under one banner. It has its ups and downs, but I still think it's fun, and George is cool, plus I like bringing in Azimuth again later
@theredgaruda
@theredgaruda Год назад
Winston is an good character, but I also would’ve loved to have seen the first Squire from the dragon episode in Alien Force.
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
He is more interesting than most of the other fk
@lonemotheo1964
@lonemotheo1964 Год назад
I always thought he was the squire from AF
@misterzygarde6431
@misterzygarde6431 Год назад
To be honest the Niburu Entity from Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated was cooler. Also I imagine if Dagon had been resurrected somehow or saved for Omniverse, we’d likely have seen Ben use Alien X to fight him
@christianparrish3292
@christianparrish3292 Год назад
Probably so
@anthonyvillanueva5226
@anthonyvillanueva5226 Год назад
Hell yeah the Nibiru Entity was really cool. Loved the homage to the original Scooby-Doo intro eyes, and its possession of Pericles was a really cool design.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
Tbf we barely got to see much of the evil entities true form before he possessed Pericles. What he did to crystal cove once he was free was friggin awesome and terrifying! And he tied into mythology and irl conspiracies way better! It’s honestly a shame he’s not as remembered now that eldritch villains are rather common in kids shows…
@pjdianalan7934
@pjdianalan7934 Год назад
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 yeah, like The Lich from Adventure Time, The Collector from The Owl House, and who could forget Bill "Dorito" Cipher..?
@theleonpasta7336
@theleonpasta7336 Год назад
Yea, I feel like if Dagon had returned atleast once it would have made him feel like a more legitimate threat, but the way it is he appears in like one episode and is defeated pretty easily I don't think Ben even fights his cool ass squid form, like c'mon I get it was probably easier to animate, but having Ben just fight a re-skinned Vilgax was lame. Introducing Ultimate Alien X or even just Alien X with the Sword against the Dragon himself would have been perfect for UA's finale, or atleast something more than Ben poking Dagon-Gax and winning in like less than a minute
@kristofgriffin384
@kristofgriffin384 Год назад
While I agree that this arc has its flaws, it will always be one of my favorite parts of Ben 10. Mainly because both it and Scooby-Doo Mystery Incorporated were my first introduction to lovecraftian horror.
@Fanciest-Hobo
@Fanciest-Hobo Год назад
A big change I'd make to this season is, and bear with me, make Gwen a target for the Dagon. I know the writers wanted Vilgax to be its host or whatever for the C'thulu parallel but he feels so tacked on and takes away attention from the Dagon and the Forever Knights. I think if they really built onto the lore around magic and had the Dagon seek a mortal host through Gwen then it add some personal stakes. Plus it create great tension between Ben and Kevin against Old George as George might be okay with killing Gwen to stop the invasion. Showing how Ben and Kevin remember last season and aren't gonna even entertain the idea of losing Gwen.
@Champsr0ck2247
@Champsr0ck2247 Год назад
Honestly a final fight between Dagan!Gwen and Knight!Ben would have been more dope than the quickest Vilgax fight of the franchise
@jagnestormskull3178
@jagnestormskull3178 Год назад
That sounds great. Although, I'd like to note that Dagon is actually a Lovecraft thing too... _ The Shadow Over Innsmouth._
@thomasraines1396
@thomasraines1396 Год назад
The Forever Knights becoming legitimate threats after being constantly portrayed as massive jokes is interesting to say the least it’s like reading a comic and having a d-list nobody actually be effective. Ben and Gwen taking pot shots at how many factions of the Knights there are is nice, they’re basically interchangeable. The Knights wouldn’t go to jail I think. Gwen using her powers for mundane stuff is nice to see. Cyrus loading his crossbow like a gun is so stupidly funny. Gwen not being the level headed one despite that how she’s normally portrayed is just characters acting different for the sake of drama I feel. Ben, Gwen and Kevin in the parking lot look more like characters from One Piece in regards to height. Kevin using his powers on other people was cool. The Wiggles bit was so random, funny but random. George having to walk all that way in slippers would’ve fucked up his feet so bad.
@nicholasfarrell5981
@nicholasfarrell5981 6 месяцев назад
To be fair, comics _love_ making no-name villains into threats. It's just not easy to do well.
@thomasraines1396
@thomasraines1396 6 месяцев назад
@@nicholasfarrell5981 oh interesting.
@Jacobflamecaster
@Jacobflamecaster Год назад
I actually liked season three of ultimate alien and was obsessed with omniverse I really liked the art style change and thought the ultimate alien season finally was great
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Год назад
same here
@lakshyaplayz007
@lakshyaplayz007 Год назад
Same I like omniverse the most
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Год назад
Honestly same but I do see the flaws.
@SpectacularSpidey670
@SpectacularSpidey670 Год назад
UA Season 3 made me drop the franchise back then, the lack of an storyline confused me and then when OV came i trought it was a reboot (cuz of the new art style and kid Ben) and because i din't see the end of UA where Ben gets the definitive Omnitrix
@t.i.5528
@t.i.5528 Год назад
While the Ultimate Kevin, Aggregor and Highbreed arcs are tied for my favourites, I actually really like the Dagon arc, due to all the epic scale of it, some really good fights and even grand scale battles, Sir George being a cool character, Vilgax and the Forever Knights being more threatening again and Dagon being a really cool villain concept (and he actually does some pretty impressive things like enslaving all humans).
@aidanclark196
@aidanclark196 Год назад
25:43 since the construction she made to seal it looked like old George's seal, I always assumed she just used Winston's notes along with her understanding of how the seal worked and what it said to try to mimick the same spell George used to seal dagon.
@colossaldonut5190
@colossaldonut5190 Год назад
I didn't mind the Dagon arc, but it was definitely a weird one.
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
The arc with jello squid god fighting an old man nothing strange about it
@SpectacularSpidey670
@SpectacularSpidey670 Год назад
Sir George definitly carries the entire arc
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
I maybe should finish Ultimate Alien since I were unable to watch all the season 3 episodes because of personal BS and CNs tight airing time
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
@@Qyburn234 I already know a site
@Qyburn234
@Qyburn234 Год назад
@@axelnilsson5124 oh fairs my bad I didn’t know
@calvinmatthews1527
@calvinmatthews1527 Год назад
I actually liked the Dagon War Arc, in fact, I didn't even know it was divisive. Yes, I understand it has problems, like the use of demons, the underwhelming ending & the characterization of a returning Vilgax but, I just love an overarching storyline for Ben 10 UA. Lastly, Its use of the Forever Knights wasn't bad, they we're just on the mishandled side.
@FMK03
@FMK03 Год назад
The first part of your comment felt like it was describing OV, and the second part felt like it was describing the OS' Forever Knights.
@bryanneyra7483
@bryanneyra7483 Год назад
It makes me chuckle that, knowing they're dealing with demons, Gwen decided to be merciful and send it home.
@burgergud2804
@burgergud2804 Год назад
This is already the last season of UAF. Time flys and omniverse is probably the last one kuro is gonna have a break down. Gonna miss this series
@StanHanrahan
@StanHanrahan Год назад
24:43 its edits like this in these breakdowns that just make my day 🤣🤣
@machipachis123
@machipachis123 Год назад
The one thing that made no sense to me about this arc is in Prisoner #775 is missing we get no repercussions for Rosum holding all those aliens prisoner, the only consequences we get is prisoner 775 tries to kill his family but that's it which is weird because of how much of a big deal Max was making it seem that Rosum broke all those galactic laws
@ObliSubX
@ObliSubX Год назад
Perhaps it was a setting up to omniverse where aliens live free with humans
@UsernameUsername0000
@UsernameUsername0000 Год назад
I don’t think it’s relevant to this arc, since the prisoner story was a B-plot in that episode. Either way, I think Max alluded to the repercussions being on a planetary level, with Earth being liable for breaking some laws I can’t recall right now. Any repercussions Rozum would face would strictly be from the Plumbers, since I think Earth authorities are generally discriminatory towards aliens and so would probably defend Rozum’s actions. I wish we explored that instead of getting The Widening Gyre, but oh well.
@machipachis123
@machipachis123 Год назад
@@UsernameUsername0000 yea thats my point, Max said earth is in violation of a bunch of laws, but they never actually face any consequences you could argue that they got let off the hook because of ben saving the universe multiple times but earth, and by association rosum never face consequences that we see
@UsernameUsername0000
@UsernameUsername0000 Год назад
@@machipachis123 Yeah, that or there were consequences that were handled offscreen
@theXVthshadow
@theXVthshadow Год назад
I would not say I dislike this arc because it's objectively bad, I more just find it very boring. It especially doesn't help this franchise cannot make up its mind on what the backstory of the Forever Knights is and what their deal is.
@theking8347
@theking8347 Год назад
The Lucubra design sort of gets re-used for Vilgax's pet squid monsters in Omniverse
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
I wish they clarified why those squid things had lacubra textures..
@talvezássextas
@talvezássextas 18 часов назад
​@@GreaterGrievobeast55maybe vilgax still has somewhat of a connection with dagon's dimension?? idk
@foaffle
@foaffle Год назад
Kuro’s hair has polymorph dna. It’s the only possible conclusion
@briansilva3344
@briansilva3344 Год назад
Never thought I’d see the Wiggles in a breakdown about fighting aliens
@FenekkuKitsune
@FenekkuKitsune Год назад
In regards to Gwen’s “I felt a ripple in the mana” line; I could believe that being a thing. Think of it this way, using mana is like using a weapon, gun, bomb, what-have-you. Every weapon makes a sound, and has a shockwave. Every weapon varies in how far away you can hear and feel it, from close to far. Now, normal magic usage isn’t going to have much of a “ripple”. Magic users would only really be able to feel, say, lighting a candle if they were right next to it and that’s a moot point there. But on the other hand, say you cast a spell to completely erase a planet from existence, that’s going to cause a massive ripple, a shockwave, that can be felt quite a ways away. Essentially, magic makes waves when it’s used, it echoes its signature and that of its user, leaving a mark in the ambient mana that fades over time. Something big enough, whether a spell or a being, that shifts mana enough will be able to be felt by those sensitive to mana usage. This isn’t a thing limited to Gwen, and I don’t feel like it’s “just a random explanation”. It’s valid, and it’s been used by so many stories I can’t count.
@Tw0Dots
@Tw0Dots Год назад
Just a bad star wars reference, not that deep
@jdellabeat6245
@jdellabeat6245 Год назад
We're here y'all. It's the Cthulu arc. The moment where the season villain that was built up and then, it turned out Vilgax is the Ultimate Alien Big Bad.
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
The arc were big jello squid and his legions of irl hackers fight an over 100 year old man and his metal men
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
The arc that ended with a poke
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
@@axelnilsson5124 YOU STABBED ME
@yashjoshi6168
@yashjoshi6168 Год назад
@@axelnilsson5124 Also with a bad joke
@jasondermack7485
@jasondermack7485 Год назад
I respect the amount of lore this arc gives to the Forever Knights. I just wish Grandpa Max was involved in all the Dagon stuff. The fact that Max isn't even in the UA series finale is such a wtf.
@brennocardoso334
@brennocardoso334 Год назад
Honestly I really like this arc, behind Ult.Kevin it's my favorite one among Ultimate Alien's storyline, specially the ending. Of course, the battle with Vilgax could've been better? Indeed, but I still enjoy it a lot
@RaidensBoobies17
@RaidensBoobies17 Год назад
As a Kid I thought Ultimate Way Big was a myth but after learning to use YT properly its not a Myth
@gamingapocalypse7973
@gamingapocalypse7973 Год назад
I could never understand the powerscaling in ua, especially this arc. Vilgax who absorbed 10 champions and then gained demonic powers from dagon is way way less of a threat and gets incapacitated by fucking heatblast. Remember when heatblast couldn't even move cyborg vilgax?
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Год назад
Ben's aliens get stronger, just like what happened with Diamondhead and Heatblast used the same trick he used back in OS, in their fight he heated the surface below Vilgax which trapped him
@rodrigor.2847
@rodrigor.2847 Год назад
@@theamazingspooderman2697 nah, the future aliens of ben 10000 werent that powerfull, uaf just has a terrible powerscalling.
@gamingapocalypse7973
@gamingapocalypse7973 Год назад
@@theamazingspooderman2697 I know bens alien get powerfull but come on dagon vilgax should be atleast 100 times more powerful and skillful than cyborg vilgax and ua heatblast should be at max twice or thrice more powerful than classic. The powerscaling makes no sense.
@umapessoa240
@umapessoa240 Год назад
Not to mention that Eagle goes from getting one shot by Vilgax to nearly beating him within the same season
@spyro2002
@spyro2002 Год назад
honestly I was too young to understand about storytelling and stuff when I watched this arc, but the scale of it had me really excited back then and I used to call it one of my favorites. Since you say it's has issues it'll be interesting seeing it again now through the breakdowns.
@BeastForce141
@BeastForce141 Год назад
Best time of the day, Thanks, Kuro. Keep up the good work.
@ashtonthompson8838
@ashtonthompson8838 Год назад
I felt a ripple in the mana I felt a disturbance in the force
@helixsol7171
@helixsol7171 Год назад
Vulpimancers probably do name themselves, but unfortunately their language is unable to be translated so we'll never know
@nataliepartsch801
@nataliepartsch801 Год назад
This arc had so much potential. Warring factions, mind control, fictional gods and Cthulhu-esc characters. That’s my stuff! But the finale felt kinda weird, not gonna lie
@emanuelrojas2
@emanuelrojas2 Год назад
Kuro the Artist: “BRING ON THE DEMONS!” Me: Well, it is close to Halloween.
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
Maybe he gets a visit from Samhain
@beybladeburstgreek5562
@beybladeburstgreek5562 Год назад
What a ben 10 episode contains: 1) two of the main protagonists agree on an argument and the other disagrees at the beginning 2) Characters with great story telling loosing at the end lamely 3) Humongausaur and Swampfire 4) Gwen Does a new power only for one episode
@dhi_holo
@dhi_holo Год назад
And lasers, even if whatever creates it doesn't make complete sense
@yashjoshi6168
@yashjoshi6168 Год назад
Well, it's for a typical uaf episode, these things change in omniverse though
@Error_-ct2vp
@Error_-ct2vp Год назад
@@yashjoshi6168 thankfully. Which is why I’m glad Omniverse is exits. No pun intended but it’s very diverse with its plot and characters.
@yashjoshi6168
@yashjoshi6168 Год назад
@@Error_-ct2vp Thats why It's peak ben 10
@Error_-ct2vp
@Error_-ct2vp Год назад
@@yashjoshi6168 hard to say since it tends to go up and down every now and then.
@Frankly_Amazing2000
@Frankly_Amazing2000 Год назад
7:08 You can clearly see how they foreshadowed Old George being a truly powerful Adversery here. He somehow managed to pull open…a push door.
@hattoripool1533
@hattoripool1533 Год назад
I think they should have made the Forever Knights more like either the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40k or the Brotherhood of Steel from Fallout to show just how far the Forever Knights are willing to go in the pursuit of their goals. I mean think about it the Forever Knights are pretty similar to both of them but I don’t think Cartoon Network would like the idea of the Forever Knights doing the same screwed up crap as the Imperium of Man but still you have to admit it would be kinda cool to see. Imagine you have a episode with a group of Forever Knights realizing how low they have fallen even since the Negative 10 incident and try to bring themselves back to the top and showing why they were once feared even if they would have to do things that would be too much even for Ben 10 standards
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
I definetly think they could’ve leaned a but more into the factionalism going on between the groups by giving them different armors and specialties. As that might be the best thing they got going for them compared to other recurring ben 10 villains. like maybe the one in AF was gearing up to specifically fight those space dragons, cyrus’s could be one that deals with mana based threats, enoch’s group could be more into covert government influence while thw forever king made it more into an alien tech snatching rachet.
@smb-c3po
@smb-c3po Год назад
If three alien ships ever come to Earth, they'd better have my Omnitrix ready.
@squeethemog213
@squeethemog213 Год назад
I am looking forward to the rest of the arc and can't wait to see Jury-rig. Thou this omniverse design is so much better 😅
@Tob10k
@Tob10k Год назад
I can't wait for "yOu sTaBbEd mE" 😂
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 Год назад
"Bring On the Demons!" Has me thinking they should've retitled this "Ben 10: Ultimate Demons" for this Arc.
@Merc-wn9vb
@Merc-wn9vb Год назад
The Lacurba's design reminds me of those aliens from the original series that took over that community of senior citizens. The episode where we met Max's sister.
@smashmaster521
@smashmaster521 Год назад
The Limax?
@viggieok
@viggieok Год назад
Another evolution of Kuro's hairstyle 😂😂
@Xeno-The-Wanderer
@Xeno-The-Wanderer Год назад
So apparently there were plans to use both Dagon and Ultimate Kevin in Alien Force post Season 2? Makes me wonder how much was changed compared to the final versions we see
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
Especially without the aliens that debuted in ultimate alien as well as the ultimates
@lam7207
@lam7207 Год назад
Yeah and in the Ben 10 Ice Berg Part 1, Kuro said something about making a video on AF Season 3 Original Plot when he has gathered enough information on that subject and that video is almost 2 years now so I'm wondering if more info has been discovered since that video dropped or we still have very little info.
@Xeno-The-Wanderer
@Xeno-The-Wanderer Год назад
@@lam7207 kept us in suspense for so long!!!
@Lukas-yt1mn
@Lukas-yt1mn Год назад
26:17 so its said that Lucubras feed on the part of your brain used for prayer and worship and then the mind control activates breefiy after he follows orders of his leader which may have some connections to worship. I think that's a nice touch
@Joyoboyogomu
@Joyoboyogomu Год назад
i was so bored with this arc as a kid. there was literally nothing entertaining about it for me as an 11 year old. knights are BORING. i didn’t even care about any of this stuff. such a lame way to end the UA era :/
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
This arc to the fandom was like that one random uncle nobody wants to Talk about on thanksgiving Yo Kuro is it ok if you call this arc the jello squid god or jello cthulu arc
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
Jello cthulu is a pretty touchy subject
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
Eh, I don’t feels as much hesitation bringing up certain arcs as I do bring up specific episodes in the series
@monkiking778
@monkiking778 Год назад
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 that’s fair but I think as a hole this arc left a lot to be desired
@seanfulldark
@seanfulldark Год назад
I think the biggest problem with Ultimate Alien is that for three seasons since they only really railed out one Arc for one character and that one was for Kevin and the first art was building up to the second Ark! If only they wrote a Arc that was focused on Gwendolyn I think they might have done better Ben has enough story arcs to his name let the other two of the Stars! Especially considering Gwen's big episodes we're really like really short three-parters at best most often are not though they were one shots.
@thegoblin4948
@thegoblin4948 Год назад
25:48 Now Kevin, are you speaking for Gwen or for yourself?
@doyoucare4105
@doyoucare4105 Год назад
Kuro still reacting during the Wiggles joke just makes it for me
@HiperPivociarz
@HiperPivociarz Год назад
1:28 I guess I'm in the minority, but I actually feel like filler episodes interwoven with big story arcs actually help the pacing. I dunno, the whole point of these story arcs is that you have like villains lurking in the background, and this isn't something the hero can just solve in one go, it's taking them like months to uncover the full scope of the evil plot. I think adding filler episodes actually helps the audience immerse in the passage of time in the show, it actually feels like a large chunk of time is passing. A good example I can think of is that I like JoJo Part 3 and 4 way more than Part 5 and 6, because Part 5 and 6 are so focused on the main plot it feels like it's rushing, and these characters have only known each other for a week.
@StarWyvernHPB
@StarWyvernHPB Год назад
It's from my understanding that the partial breaking of the seal of Daggon is such a large power breach that it'd affect the mana on a large enough scale to alert gwen and other mana beings/users like she does. Whereas with smaller scale/power things she'd need a stronger connection to who shes tracking/looking for.
@Slackernt
@Slackernt Год назад
18:54 It sounds to me like Gwen says "Rober and Hawthorne" which could be a reference to Robert Hawthorne, a recipient of the Victoria Cross, which is "the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy" for British and Commonwealth forces. Might be a stretch, but it's all I could find.
@andresmarrero8666
@andresmarrero8666 Год назад
You know a spinoff sequel where the protagonist is a member of the forever knights and at the same age as classic Ben would probably do very well especially if they go with the art style of classic Ben 10. Maybe then they can fix the Forever Knights reputation and expand upon them while also bringing back forgotten Ben 10 facets such as the mushroom people and the malicious weather machine. A powerset consisting of alien tech, psychic powers, and spiritual artifacts such as a lantern that draws friendly spirits and burns wicked ones would be quite interesting to see in action.
@anthonyvillanueva5226
@anthonyvillanueva5226 Год назад
The premise of this arc had potential. Ben 10 against ancient lovecraftian aliens and conspiracies that worship and fight them. The execution I found boring though.
@LizardOfOz69
@LizardOfOz69 Год назад
Ashley Johnson really almost gave Meagan Smith a run for her money with that scream.
@RabidSasquach-hd3up
@RabidSasquach-hd3up Год назад
I love this arc I don’t want to rewatch it again bc I don’t want to ruins my memories
@Jacobflamecaster
@Jacobflamecaster Год назад
Your cat is a menace to the entire breakdown series and I love him
@HiperPivociarz
@HiperPivociarz Год назад
6:13 In Transformers there are several different Cybertronian glyphs. Even in the 80s show. Transformers fans can actually like decipher messages with them. In the recent show Cyberverse they even hid like a big "Thank You" message for the fans who promoted the show on RU-vid.
@nicholasrodinos4701
@nicholasrodinos4701 Год назад
Fasttrack: This is just a less interesting XLR8. At least Jetray is different enough to be it's own thing, Fasttrack, yeah not so much. Eatle: What if Upchuck was made of metal? Clockwork: I know I keep referencing other aliens to point out how unoriginal or dull some of these are, this one is not the case. Clockwork feels like Alien X, to the point where he feels like he really should only be used in the most important situations. To Catch a Falling Star, should not have used him, considering how much that situation did not require him, and how easily he got taken out. I don't know Chronosapiens (not Chronians, Eon's species from Race Against Time) feel like why is this a species? It feels like they're practically gods, whereas other aliens while still powerful don't feel completely unbeatable. Like with this much power, what even is a threat? Chronosapiens, Prypiatosians and Celestiosapiens feel like they have one incredibly overpowered ability, whereas Amperi (a species I actually like) feel overpowered in all the things they can do. Chamalien: Why? His whole thing is that he's invisible. We already have Big Chill, who can turn intangible, fly, shoot ice and also turn invisible. Jury Rigg: Demonic Grey Matter Honestly most of these feel like they were made to make toys, but with nothing interesting or new, like they just wanted to make new aliens without really making anything different about them. It feels like they wanted to bank off the nostalgia of the original aliens, but they just created newer, much less interesting aliens that the audience didn't have time to really grow to love, and don't have that fun classic feel.
@theking8347
@theking8347 Год назад
The issue with Juryrigg is that he only makes two appearances in Ultimate Alien, and the latter is pretty much just a cameo. The only time he's used for anything is in his debut episode. Fortunately though, Juryrigg gets more usage in Omniverse and is set apart from Grey Matter.
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Год назад
that's pretty much every alien after the classic series in a nutshell.
@nicholasrodinos4701
@nicholasrodinos4701 Год назад
@@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Yeah, but at least they found ways to make them feel unique, like what I said about Jetray: but also Humungosaur (isn't naturally as tall unlike Waybig), Spidermonkey (is strong and has four arms, but is more like Spiderman), Brainstorm (has electricity powers like Upgrade might, but uses them for forcefields). It matters the unique execution of the power-set not the powers themselves. Fasstrack's design is cool. I'm sorry for being obnoxiously argumentative about the Kiteman thing.
@xx8arn3ybeastxx55
@xx8arn3ybeastxx55 Год назад
Two questions. 1- if Ben breaks a limp and transforms, does the transformation have the limb broken or does it heal? 2- are the celestialsapians a metaphor for the writing room, just see some similarities (omnipotent within the bounds of the show, have to all agree, constantly changing previously established facts/looks) Judy a thought… Also will there ever be omiverse breakdowns?
@TheInkTank
@TheInkTank Год назад
1- Sometimes. If the alien can regenerate, like Diamondhead, no. If it can't, like Clockwork, yes. 2- Not in full, but they definitely play with that concept in some ways. Yes there will be Omniverse Breakdowns.
@xx8arn3ybeastxx55
@xx8arn3ybeastxx55 Год назад
@@TheInkTank unreal, thank you for the response!
@KraylebStudios
@KraylebStudios Год назад
Tbh, this arc was always weird to me. Ultimate Alien feels like its getting lazier and lazier with its plots and writing. It really feels disappointing to see its devolvement and it really feels like it's the same thing over and over
@ptcarbonproductions2013
@ptcarbonproductions2013 Год назад
This is where I dropped out of the show too, but not due to the show itself, but my TV provider removing CN from their offer. Ever since I first heard about The Dagon arc in your summary, I was intrigued by its premise. I'm hyped for your upcoming breakdowns.
@NotSCP-682
@NotSCP-682 Год назад
I was watching the series finaly of ultimate alien when it first air...and turned it off during the eattle vilgax fight because I had missed so much and didn't understand why vilgax looked so stupid
@NationX
@NationX Год назад
Eyyy it warms my heart that you watched Jordan’s Ben 10 vids. All the while I was watching those I was thinking “I hope Kuro watches these” 😂
@maximisationisreal439
@maximisationisreal439 Год назад
I actually really liked this arc when I watched it. Because it was a fresh idea with a different type of villain. But in retrospect they botched most of it
@christianparrish3292
@christianparrish3292 Год назад
We need a counter for every time kuro said my boy.
@bobbyahmad5197
@bobbyahmad5197 Год назад
yes
@Linkdarkside
@Linkdarkside Год назад
I loved the dagon arc but it needed a few more story episode unfortunately there are a lot of one episodes which would have been better if they were main arc story related. The end of the arc is one of my most favorite scenes in the entire Classic Ben10 continuity. I also think every sect of forever knights needed a unique armor set.
@SpaceFluffDW
@SpaceFluffDW Год назад
Kuro looks a bit like Diego from Umbrella Academy (his season 2 look)
@RaveZion
@RaveZion Год назад
For the fave alien thing, I honestly think Juryrigg, but mostly because of Omniverse more than UAF.
@Yig_al_Gaib4242
@Yig_al_Gaib4242 Год назад
So… I’ve developed a question that I had never thought of before. Could Ben have scanned the Lecoubra with the Ultamatrix? It is intelligent… but I would question if it has DNA considering it is from another dimension and a Lovecraftian entity. Edit: Just watched the video about what Ben can transform into and if he could access Dagon, then he would also be able to scan and become the Lecoubra.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
Given that the lecoubra are all thralls to the dagon and likely mentally linked with him that _might_ be a bad idea for a transformation.
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
The wiki doesn’t mention if it’s possible
@doubledamn2599
@doubledamn2599 Год назад
It'd be neat if the Coin mirrored the Seal, so when they started cutting the Seal, the coin was getting damaged in the same way.
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
2:36 Servantis: if only they knew
@Citrine
@Citrine Год назад
The jousting jets, I believe first appeared in "Pet Project". They look very similar to the machine Morton was riding.
@jakesoper9613
@jakesoper9613 Год назад
I agree I think so too
@ATVPokemonMaster_02
@ATVPokemonMaster_02 Год назад
Man! KURO'S hair just doesn't seem to catch a Break and settle down 😂😂. I love it, Kuro: Madness Of Hair 😂😂
@JAYDOG1337A
@JAYDOG1337A Год назад
My thoughts on additional aliens. Fastrack: But we'd rather have XLR8. Chamalien: New Stealthie Boi, in theory it's okay, but Ben rarely ever even uses him, even in stealthy situations. Clockwork: A powerful species to be sure, but it seems like Ben himself never managed to achieve their full potential, even when combined with Ben 23's Upgrade. Jury Rigg: But we'd rather have Upgrade, he was alright and even entertaining in Omniverse, but in Ultimate Alien he was kinda lame. Eatle: But we'd rather have Upchuck, seriously Eatle is completely forgettable in every one of his appearances in Ultimate Alien AND Omniverse.
@benjaminbarraza8972
@benjaminbarraza8972 Год назад
At least Eatle design gets better. Still not a good alien tho
@theking8347
@theking8347 Год назад
Isn't Chromastone flying one of those powers that got retconned as a glitch in Omniverse? Basically, DJW's explanation was that the original Omnitrix and Ultimatrix had glitches in them that were giving some of Ben's transformations abilities they shouldn't have, like Way Big having super speed and Jetray being able to go into hyperspace.
@viggieok
@viggieok Год назад
Idk why but I kept confusing diagon for Vilgax....giving the octupus like body
@axelnilsson5124
@axelnilsson5124 Год назад
They also have the same kind of green
@jasonnguyen2575
@jasonnguyen2575 Год назад
Kinda the point lol.
@nigel5469
@nigel5469 Год назад
I'm more of mediocre with this arc, though would have been better especially with too many characters. It would have been better to explore Driscoll and Enoch background and character development, rather than adding more complicated and boring characters like Uriah and Cyrus.
@malikrivers4884
@malikrivers4884 Год назад
“Oh my gosh a new transformation, it’s armadrillo!!!……ehhh it’s fine” 😂
@bautistacardozo7092
@bautistacardozo7092 Год назад
Ah yes, my 2nd favourite thing on Saturday mornings after coffee: Ben 10 Breakdowns
@ObscureSwan
@ObscureSwan Год назад
The beginning of the Dagon arc was my intro to Ben 10, so as I was going through Classic and the other seasons, I was excited for when this came around. Honestly one of my favorite arcs.
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
YES!This episide might be one of my favorites in uaf! The lacubra at the very least might be one of my favorite monsters in ben 10 in general! so strong but with a creepy mind control abilities and a strange vaguely translucent form like some sort of amoeba. Something about how the red spots on it’s face look simultaneously like eyes and teeth are nothing short of amazing, something similar goes on with the high breed but it’s creepier on the lacubra in my opinion. How lovely it is your covering this episode during the halloween season! 5:28 they probably have both patients and employees names George but have last names, so a nick names necessary for the distinction. 9:13 my dad showed me the movies even as a kid and now i’m peeved I don’t remember this reference! I’ll stand by the holy grail being one of the best movies of all time unironically! 11:46 magic’s and the creatues that wield would just be another thing a overly zealous group wouldn’t understand and therefore see as wholly dangerous/evil 13:18 AAAAAAh kuro’s validating all my love for the lacubra this is amazing!!!! *he needs more fanart!* 15:10 imagine biting into something too hard eelch! Reminds how zs’skayr can’t possess ben while he’s an alien! 16:35 he’s got that batman stealth! Hiding close by while everyones scrambling everywhere else. 18:55 Nathaniel Hawthorne was an author rumored to be an influence for HP Lovecraft, who revolutionized eldritch horrors Much like this whole arc has. 28:28 oh come on! I feel like if it’s average it deserves a 3 at least pfft, amd there was definitely stand out moment here..ANOTHER 2? Aaaaaaawwwghhlll 29:52 Eatle was hype seeing him in that last arc wrecking shop!
@AMIR.S.Y
@AMIR.S.Y Год назад
this might be my favorite ALIEN FORCE episode dude are you serious? it's 3rd season of ultimate alien😐😂
@GreaterGrievobeast55
@GreaterGrievobeast55 Год назад
@@AMIR.S.Y meant to type uaF! Uugghhh *facepalm* I woke up an hour late before the vid came out So I started typing it while I was groggy! Hardly an excuse with how much I added on but live and learn I guess
@aurimasm
@aurimasm Год назад
The show is like your hairstyles
@tunahan4418
@tunahan4418 Год назад
I love how you have a different hairstyle like every six months or idk how long. İt's cool lol.
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265
@kermitgotthesickkicks4265 Год назад
he has a different hair style like every week it be funny.
@Remizay1820
@Remizay1820 Год назад
imagine if kuro went bald at the end of UAF and went full cycle with omniverse
@BlackPower300
@BlackPower300 Год назад
24:45 i'm from Brazil, didnt get the redub joke, and i remember i've dropped watching the series at this point, so i dont really know NRG's voice, so you can imagine my face of surprise to hear Ben drop a "f*cking" in the middle of the show lol
@agarnes100
@agarnes100 Год назад
As for "didn't need to know where it came from", that's how it works in DND as well. You can banish any extradimensional creature to its home plane using the same Banishment spell.
@MonkeSeeMonkeLaugh
@MonkeSeeMonkeLaugh Год назад
Since Omnitrix copies only sentient aliens Vulpimancers must be sentient too. They should release more stuff about the homeworlds of the aliens.
@minisamuri2
@minisamuri2 Год назад
tbh I think the comment made by the knight at 8:39(about it being a friend of Ben's) is probably made in reference to the fact that Ben tries to defend all aliens(who are innocent) from the forever knights, who consider all aliens enemies. Basically, I think that's just the forever knight is seeing all aliens as friends of Ben seeing how often he defends aliens from them.
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