She did not have to cook her like that. Didn't even add any seasoning either, just threw her right into the fire. Maybe she can be used in one of Cindy's cooking videos now.
That wasn't even a rose I can tell you how to professional drag stollar that she flat-out read her like an open hand book she read her like her script she read her like a character description
Same. I remember in middle school this guy kept asking me out after i repeatedly rejected him. One time i snapped and suddenly i was the bad guy for like 2 weeks because everyone loved him
The jerks overshadow the good guys 😔 like I'm 16 and I was trying to remember the not annoying guys in my school years up to now 💀✋🏿like some were just chill but I could tell they were nervous about not putting up with the ish from the other guys or else they'd get made fun of too so they just laughed along
I wish I could’ve said something like that to my white friends growing up. They were always thinking that I didn’t care or had no true opinions just because I didn’t have the freedoms that they did to do certain things. At the time I was still living with internalized racism so I felt guilty and hated myself. Now I know better and is the reason why I’m not friends with those people anymore.
I love(d) a girl like this. Exactly like this. We were two Asian women dependent on our families. She and her mom were and will always be a team - the two of them against the world. Suffice it to say, our relationship didn't work out in the end. But I was and will always be so proud of her. It's such a heavy burden to bear and she's taking it all in as well as she could.
I'm a white passing Latina that grew up with purely white people and their culture, so the imposter syndrome is STRONG! But I'm glad Claudia said what she said, it really reminded me that white privilege also applies to me, no matter how much of an immigrant I am, with immigrant parents and the culture I grew up in being mostly white outside my home. It was a harsh wake-up call, but a welcome one.
"We heard your silence LOUD and CLEAR, but also it is interwoven with cultural dynamics that can make it very difficult, and it is a very nuanced situation, so I understand your situation." bruh I'm dead
I really appreciate the whole "quietly rebel" thing they had with Claudia. As someone who is a major introvert and gets uncomfortable and anxious during social interactions, I really appreciated that they mentioned you don't have to be loud and in your face to rebel or fight for a cause.
As a white woman who grew up being little miss social justice and wanting to join every club (Gay-Straight Alliance, Human Rights Club, etc.) and save everyone, it was good to see the main character getting called out.
There's a girl in my high school who is like this, she has good intentions but she comes across as downright annoying. I remember in like a group support group I vented about being stalked because I was gay and she rambled to me about how it was okay and that she was proud, and that she supported me and I was just like "um, thanks but I don't remember asking for your validation..." As if I I owed her any sort of explanation of my sexuality in the first place. 💀😶
@@winterwonderland1491 Look at it from an outsiders perspective. Don't overstep boundaries, it's okay to support others but don't be obnoxious about it.
I love how this movie kind of breaks the “ride or die” mentality because people think that as a friend you should go along with everything your friend does. But a healthy relationship is all about to show criticism and don’t let your friend continue their bad behavior cause actions does effect others.
I guess that’s a sad reality of the matter huh. I mean I’d probably see eye to eye with someone of my own ethnicity more easily than someone of another just cuz Idk there’s a weird sense of empathy there I guess? But yeah, yay for the white mc coming through with the wisdom cuz I think the other one was speaking a different language.
@@relaxolotl788 and they forgot he existed like i want a movie with all the side character that got throw out the window because the main character didn't interact with them anymore
I swear I was almost crying when I saw Seth. They finally have a Asian male lead in a teen movie who ISNT EMASCULATED.😭 And he supports her so much and actually calls her out on her bs when sh*t goes wrong.
Leave to a non-romance focus movie to do romance with a male character RIGHT! I was scared they were going to make his character horrible, but no he was amazing while calling out the main chick on her BS without sounding like a prick. I want more of him!
In middle school, a guy kept making gross, sexual comments about/directly to me. One day. I got fed up and pushed him. He hit his head on a locker. I was such a quiet, well-behaved kid that none of the teachers believed him when he tried to tell on me. He was very nice to me from that point forward. Sometimes, you just have to *literally* smash the patriarchy.
Happened to me too, only I didn't push him. I went straight for the punch😂😂But teacher didn't believe me when I said what he had been saying for the last weeks and forced me to say sorry
I spent like a whole decade in school being bullied and harassed. And the school's response was always "oh he just has a crush on you." Dude, tying rubber bands in my hair, spitting chewed up crayons at me, and telling his friends how many fingers he thinks he can shove inside me is not the way to go about expressing a crush, and these incidents were all different boys. And I always physically fought back which meant I was constantly in trouble, but never the boys. It took me putting two of them in the hospital for it to finally stop instead of the school putting an end to it years earlier like it should have. But we need to defend the fragile egos of white men because they're the most important.
@@brolly2612 yeah yeah, we know bro. Women can harrass people as well which is equally as bad. But OP never said Women can’t do wrong, she was just calling out the school for not wanting to take repsonsibility. Hell the same would probably happen anyway in the school if the genders were switched since it seems their standards are so broken they probably wouldn’t care either way.
@@brolly2612 women can be bad too but she's sharing her experience as a girl being harassed by boys so you couldn't expect her to say "oh, but women harass men too" it doesn't even make sense in that context
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, I hate that schools all over the world still do stuff like that, it's 2021, this kind of attitude is long overdue
That Asian boy was so well adjusted and articulate about his feelings. I fell in love with him not only when he starred his hands, but when he wrote her name on his arm.
I don't think that Seth writing Vivian's name on his arm was the best thing because Vivian's attitude is so sour and extreme, she didn't deserve that. Vivian should've apologized to him properly because Seth was right: all he's done was support her and doesn't deserve to be her punching bag. I love the movie and all but Vivian didn't learn anything and even damaged property while letting others take the fall for her actions. But even so she still admitted some of her mistakes, even if she got waaaay more leeway then she deserved from the people that love her (Claudia, Seth, her mom). At least they did call Vivian out on her shit so I'll give the movie that. I have mixed feelings about this quirky yet obviously flawed movie but I think it was a pretty good stepping stone for social justice.
@@parkthepenguin6344 I might read the book cause I love the difference between books and movies (usually books being better). I'll take your advice then. 👌
The boyfriend was way better in the movie. In the book he was very “not all men”. Like at one point his girlfriend gets groped in the hall and he’s like, “well remember we’re not all like that”
Yeah, I liked Seth a lot more. Like, he seemed to understand afterwards why "not all men" is problematic stance, but at the same time it always seemed like Vivian just let it slide because she likes him romantically or that it wasn't really that sincere
Yeah. The nastiness when I read it. I can't stand the not all men crap because yes we know but you are part of the problem by saying that shit because that means you have some guilt your holding on to.
Just people who bring up the “not all of us” argument when people are talking about discrimination or mistreatment in general is so bs, because yes, not all, but A LOT and that’s the point of it.
Okay some parts of the movie were better than the book, but there was this amazing part in the book where in response to the dress code rules , Moxie didn't tell the girls to dress in tank tops, but actually big fluffy bathrobes over their clothes so they were in absolutely no danger of distracting the precious male students. And in class, the teacher notices one girl wearing it and tells her to take it off so she goes lmao sure and takes it off and she's only wearing a bright red bikini top under it. It was great
Also this isn't related but Cindy I started watching Julie and the Phantoms because you recommended it please validate me. The Other Side of Hollywood is such a god damn bop right?!
It’s cool that she was there for the sake of being one of the friend group, but I would have liked a side story that went a little deeper into her character. They centered a lot of problems young women face and were intersectional with racial issues, but I think there was a missed opportunity to explore a trans woman’s perspective.
@@jgalletta yeah but idk I think it's nice that they made a trans gender character without making their entire existence about them just being trans for once
I felt like the white girl getting into activism thing was important, because it was exposing all of the things that can go wrong when someone starts to take action without having a full understanding of the issues she's supporting. So often, white savior characters are treated as being the only ones in the film who aren't racist or homophobic or whatever crap, but that isn't reflective of real life, where people have to unlearn these things. To me, that element really highlighted the fact that it takes work, self-awareness, and a willingness to grow and change to be a good ally. You never get to see a white girl called out by her non-white friends, and it plants that seed in the mind of baby social activist white girls that being an ally doesn't make you immune from ignorance.
exactly, I used to be uneducated and I am a white (I'm mixed with hispanic but I don't know much about my culture nor do I live with my hispanic family. So I just go by white because I'm white passing and was raised as a white girl) and i started getting into politics and real life problems near the end of 9th grade. I realized woah, guys at my school SUCK and why do I have to deal with it?? Then the stuff with George Floyd happened and It woke me up. I have never been a racist person but I realized how many stereotypes I thought were true, and how I used to be fully supportive of the cops. Its taken a while, and I think I still have certain stereotypes about groups of people, and I try my hardest to push by them and educate myself and even my friends. like a white boy I met online was such a shitty person, but after I started at least attempting to teach him, he's learning. Neither of us are perfect, but we're learning :) also I think this movie could be a wake up call to specific white girls, or just girls period, about what's happening. I wish I could have watched it a while ago
i'd also like to see someone address self-hating people from privileged groups in activism through a movie/tv show as well. i do agree that people should acknowledge wrongdoings and discrimination, but whining "oh, i'm so homophobic cuz i'm not sapphic" doesn't fucking help anyone. these mfs are reblogged all over twitter and instagram, and, tbh, that feels less like doing the right thing and more like an angst fest from someone's LiveJournal or AngelFire website.
@@heatherwild2627 I went through a really similar phase, also being a mixed girl who’s white passing. The thing is, when I first learned how fucked up everything actually is and problems we face, I concentrated on things that happened in the USA specifically, even though I live in Germany. It’s good that I learned what was happening there, but not only did I not bother looking further into these issues in order to really understand why we need to talk about them, but I also didn’t see the problems going on in my own country and the prejudices my own mother who is Brazilian has to face by living here. And I realised that racism/sexism in Germany or other countries in general isn’t rly spoken about or how certain things are tolerated when they really shouldn’t be. I can make a change starting here and work on being an actual ally, not just a performative one and educating myself.
This is a fantastic comment. Much of the current dialog makes it seem like white people just have to sing a different tune to be an ally, not actually dig into their own place in the system. Also, if this is supposed to mimic real life they did a decent job of showing her confusion.. . Or rather, almost lack of confusion because she doesn't know enough yet to be confused? Her tangent at the dinner table was super annoying, but I may have had a tangent or two at that age "BECAUSE LIFE WAS SO UNFAAAAIR" (
Vivian trying to make her bff wear spaghetti straps is like telling a muslim girl to wear the same top and then be upset with her if she doesn't - we all show solidarity in different ways.
@@cLeVeRbOoKwOrM123 no no that legit what I meant that they called out Claudia whereas so many people wouldn't have worn spighetti tops - (I was being sarcastic in the last part of that sentence - lmao sorry)
They call a male feminist a "white knight" or a "simp" all the time online but if he's not doing it just to get in some lady's pants or manipulate, he's just a good person. A true ally.
Tbh when I was watching the movie, I thought that was going to be the case. I thought there would be a twist where we would later find out that he wasn't a feminist after all and only did these things so that he'd get women's attention. I'm glad that wasn't case.
Ya but where would the drama come from? Lucy it too smart and too out spoken not take credit. I mean there's the bullying/harassment sub plot, but 13 reasons why exists(it's bad but it said something) .
I loooved lucy but I felt that a lot of issues were portrayed because Vivian was the main character. For example, her white privilege, how she has good intentions but is often misguided, how she gets so caught up in her agenda she forgets to consider other perspectives, etc. I feel like those things could really apply to a lot of people in our world, and it's cool if many could relate to Lucy and even self reflect on their own actions. She's definitely more flawed, more unlikeable, and her views/actions needed to change compared to lucy's but that's sort of the point.
@@meganl2335 that is true, but I also think that this movie was still kinda made with white feelings too much in mind. Like I saw someone say somewhere Abt how the movie would be way cooler if instead of Vivian doing the zine alone, she reached out to Lucy for help since she does seem to know a lot Abt feminism. I just feel like if they wanted I be intersectional they should’ve gone harder on it cause now it just feels like too much is happening without it being thought out too much.
When the best friend called her out, about whiteness, and also said "because I'm not a coward unlike you"--my life changed. That was incredible. When was the last time a movie called out whiteness like this from an Asian person? Damn.
Man I really wish I had the guts to say that sometimes. Like when I had some of my students being racist to me and when I told about it to my colleagues they just told me that they’re just kids (in high school) and I shouldn’t care what a bunch of teenagers say to me since I’m the adult. Like fuck that shit. I wish I could’ve said that but I was so frustrated and angry that I cried.
@@lia1tan Honestly, you’re a teacher and they should not be allowed to say that to you. There are probably students in the class who would love to see an authority figure stand up for not being insulted. Try to tell them calmly but firmly that that type of language is not acceptable in your class, and if you have to give them detention or something. Because that is not acceptable.
What made me so mad was that when Vivian came clean, all her friends were like "suspend me too I was also involved." Where was all this when Claudia was getting the Asian parent lecture. My parents would freak out if I got a B let alone if I came home telling them I got suspended. Everyone should have worked together to get Claudia's named redeemed. And you know that if Vivian wrote this in her college applications she would be praised as an activist whereas Claudia getting suspended would just look so bad on her record.
I was shocked and kind of disappointed with Claudia's behaviour, but once I saw her mom, everything made sense and I just wanted to hug her because SIS THIS ASIAN RELATES 💀💀
@@kingsley.5506 EXACTLY! I don't like how we're always told to keep our heads down, grades up, and ignore the horrible things people say/do to us because karma????? Like, no thank you. I don't _want_ to inherit or encourage that kind of world. 🙅🏻♀️
Yeah Claudia's story really hit home for me because it reminds me how fragile the model minority stereotype is. I remember when I was applying to college and the essay prompt was to tell them about a time when I "overcame adversity" and I wrote about a racist teacher I had in fourth grade. My immigrant parents thought it wasn't "appropriate" and told me I shouldn't talk about it. I was so hurt that I cried but I submitted the essay anyway and got into all the colleges I applied to. Now with the perspective I have I see that they thought they were protecting me because they were afraid if I was too outspoken about race that I would be seen as the problem and it would be easier to get rid of me than to change the system.
@@hwchen39 another reason why I don't like self-help books coming out from author who's from developed countries. It gave a false impression that anyone can be like them without the context, without the safety net they could fall back to when theirs ventures turned south. The context of being a certain skin colour, being born in a certain countries in the world, being born in the certain time in history, could not be more lacking. It'd be not the scenario we would face or can be counted on for. It's just simply not it. Excuse me for my rant, but I've seen my fair share of those books in my book store advertising about a future for the minority/disable people who can not access all of those context at all.
not gonna lie, i think it’s interesting that the main character is white because her being called out like that by her friends is a bit of a fuck you against the white savior trope. not entirely since she still is the instigator of the saving movement but the movie makes it known that none of the characters of color could’ve kicked it off so radically without facing bigger consequences than her. e.g. claudia with her mom and facing immediate consequences by association and lucy not being taken seriously at all by authorities and being adultified, which are very real and terrible issues that affect people every single day. by having us see this in direct opposition to the privileged white girl we spend the most time with i think it really highlights these differences when we are reminded of them. not saying that this was an amazing decision in general but i do see value in it in this specific case. maybe i’m reaching or being too optimistic but that’s the effect it had on me at least lol
I hated the idea that an author can only write people of their own ethnicity. It's fiction. It's not an autobiography. The author should be able to take on whatever persona they desire. If a privileged white woman can develop an interesting lead character who is a gay asian male why not go for it.
@@conniethesconnie I can see why people don’t like it tho because it’s not your story to tell. How many published books are there with gay Asian leads? Not many if any at all. So why is a white women able to get those stories out there? Why is she able to tell our stories for us? Also there’s the problem of how stories told by outsiders are prone to be problematic or incorrect. Like how male writes almost always _suck_ at writing not just female characters but feminism as well. So it’s not that you can’t write for other ethnicities but in some cases you have to think about whether you should.
@@conniethesconnie Because the author is a white woman and most of the story comes from the perspective of a white woman. It's easy to write about characters who are nothing like ourselves, but when it comes to personal life and characters thoughts and background it's more personal and detailed. As a white woman I could write about a character of any race or background... but when it comes to a first person P.O.V I can only write about white women... since I am a white woman... can't really be out here assuming the lives and thoughts of black women just because I want a black female lead...
I personally liked how the trans girl was integrated into this story. After the year of the TERF wars, it was just refreshing that she was just... there. And no one questioned that. It was a bit unrealistic but in a wholesome way. Also that some characters were just casual lesbians.
I'm writing a story rn and the main characters are lesbians. the story is really cliche and the writing isnt phenomenal, but it's nice to write about queer characters just existing. I read books and watch shows for escapism, so it's kinda tiring when you have to deal with homophobia/transphobia in real life and in media as well all. of course it's important to not disregard issues, but I just wanna read a cute story sometimes.
I liked how Seth didnt pick up the fight for her, but supported her when it was needed. I don't think men necessarily have to speak on behalf of women cause that just further perpetuates the idea that we still need men to speak on our behalf to make change? Like, he showed his support with the hearts and stars, he gave the last vote and he pulled the MC back down when she became too much... Like, he normalises standing by and supporting feminism while not taking over the fight? Although Im still critical of that one scene where he got called out for being friends with Mitchell or something like that but..? Aside from that which I didnt exactly get, I found him to set the bar perfectly on how a male feminist can show his support and I feel like he deserved atleast something more than being average. I dunno, I personally think that he might be above the bar by a bit.
I think that the protagonist being white also helps to show the difference between the lengths women of color have to go to just to fight for what’s right, while the main character got away unpunished for the rebellion. It’s literally how society works, it’s an interesting way of showing how modern feminism favors the white woman to represent the movement, even though those who struggle the most are woc.
The way that white dude acted reminds me of someone who started stalking me in college. The teacher didn't seem to care, either, even tho I only went to him to inform him of my concerns and to ask not to be paired with him for any class activities; the teacher just kept being like "are you sure you're not overreacting?" That honestly traumatized me more than the stalking at that point. That was a miserable semester.
I'm so sorry that happened to you! :( I just recently had an uncomfortable interaction with a male classmate at uni and I finally talked to my lecturer about it & said I was fine with switching to distance learning, my lecturer said he's going to make HIM switch and just truly validated my whole experience. I never expected such a wonderful response and I really hope there are more lecturers like mine out there :( 💙
When the boyfriend and the best friend were blunt with her it was my favorite part tbh, like she was only thinking about herself the whole time and not how it'd affect others
She didn't put the clip in the video, but the women who was raped in the video mentioned that Mitchell was her boyfriend at the time, and I love that they brought up that fact. For anyone that doesn't know, DATING DOES NOT EQUAL CONSENT!
The salad scene is exactly what a lot of people think feminist are all like because they saw the wrath of an uneducated pissed off person on Twitter reaching over the smallest of things 🙃
To me the salad scene was simply an overwhelmed child reaching her breaking point. It wasn't about any of the issues at that point, it was a 16-year-old girl who was confused and scared and facing a situation she no longer had any clue how to fix (not that she had any clue to begin with). I think the actress portrayed the emotional breaking point very well.
@@marcgoodman4862It's its own action, separate from being a metaphor, but you're right to also see it as a metaphor. This is just as much about entitlement and power over someone else as rape is - but on a much smaller scale. I recommend treating it as foreshadowing for the actual rape subplot, especially since *having* a rape subplot means they don't need to rely on this as subtext for that. They might've if that subplot didn't exist, though.
I really like the fact that Vivian didn't shut down after receiving criticism from her POC friends. I think it's really easy to be self-centered in that moment and hate yourself for being a bad person, but Vivian took the criticism, learned from her mistakes, and did better. Most importantly, I feel like she realized how much she was centering this all around herself and stopped.
@@Ika0713 yeah i really should've phrased that better. I guess what I was trying to say is that she didn't immediately get defensive after receiving criticism. And maybe I was project just a bit on the self hate part yikes.
@@airmaxy7377 Nothing to be offended about it's true and I admire it, I didn't see it coming because no movie had ever had the guts to say it but this one did which I thought was incredibly shocking, funny but also really admirable to do.
I literally thought Lucie was the main character, talking about racism WITH sexism I'm 😭😭 after years of movies choosing one or the other, I can't believe I'm so emotional about the bare minimum
You'd be surprised how many counselors gossip about students using full names behind their back, it's why a lot of students I knew when I was in school didn't trust them.
When my cousin learned what her school counselor did when the school had a meeting about mental health, after her sister had a mental breakdown; the school counselor had the audacity to straight up brought a bag of popcorn and eating them during the whole meeting.
I remember being taken aside by a teacher for wearing a tank top with spaghetti straps. She told me to go home and change and I just went to my next class. NO TIME FOR GAMES I GOTTA LEARN ABOUT THE PYTHAGOREAN THEOREM
The book, for me, has a lot of depth and feelings that the movie missed. Spoiler alert, in the walk-out scene, the girls didn't immediately run out of the door. Only a few minutes after the bell rang did one girl stood up, and it was Emma. Before she walked out, she said something like "F*ck you Mitchell." Only then the girls did leave the room.
I loved that the main character was almost acting like a white savior for a bit it made it more realistic because all white people have to realize their privilege at some point now that she has she can start her growth
Yea not like white people had to bust their asses off and invented almost every modern invention that everyone else relies on. If white people didn’t have to prop up everyone else while being bashed for it, MAYBE they wouldn’t be so mad for the West being bashed for being so great. EVERYONE who lives in America is privileged!
@@user-xr4nw3pt2v Considering I went to University for History, white people HAVE been great in creating the West, the BEST society in the WORLD! North America, Oceania and Europe have the best GDP WORLDWIDE while Asia and Africa are the lowest. Africa is so dirt poor compared to the rest of the world that most of them are LUCKY to work all day for $1 a day. The West and white people have uplifted BILLIONS out of abject poverty just from our free market capitalism, inventions, medical knowledge and discoveries and on and on.
That principle lady triggered hella reactions out of me. We had a similar type as the principle when I was in high school. True story: friend of mine was being harassed over the school servers by the resident creep and when he was punished by having his chromebook taken away she had hers taken as well. The reason? She *dared* to try and reason with him and not aggravate him into a violent frenzy (again, weird rapey creep) and they precieved that as her "being compliant." I just...
what the fuck?? so if you try not to escalate you're "being compliant" but if you don't take their shit you're "letting him get under your skin". what the hell was your friend supposed to do, just take it lying down? Jesus.
I really hope there is more representation in media, especially teen movies. It sucks to consistently see POC as side characters instead of the main character. However, I loved that the movie didn't shy away from pointing out the main girl's white privilege. They didn't show her as a "savior" character that was perfect and helping save all of these other girls. Most of the ideas came from Lucy, and Lucy was seen as the leader a lot of the time as well. The criticism is valid and highlighting stories that feature POC is very important, but I think this is also an important story to tell.
honestly I think it would have been more problematic if the white author had written the main character as a POC. like cindy said, it's not the white author's place to write from the perspective of a POC when she doesn't share the life experiences she wishes to speak on. I think she wrote it the right way - white girl main character who gets deservingly called out for her flaws. I'd absolutely love to see more POC main characters, but not written by white people.
@@pogpogpog7507 Up until very recently I feel like everyone was saying 'write characters who aren't like you as main characters, research things carefully, don't settle for just having main characters who are just like you in background, ethnicity, etc when we are so in need of representation of marginalised groups as more than just side characters'. And now it's like a weird sudden cultural 180- I've read MULTIPLE things suddenly acting like it's a transgression and 'problematic' for a white person to write something with a not-white protagonist. White people should only write white main characters now?
@@Graid it’s not about white authors should only write white characters, just that they need to be careful about the kinds of stories they tell about BIPOC. white people are often given the opportunity to write stories about the lives and cultures of BIPOC, while BIPOC authors are often not given those same opportunities to write about our own cultures because it’s often been labeled “unmarketable” and “alienating” to a white audience when we do so. Basically, we want white people to write diversely but to not tell stories that are so deeply intimate to the lives of BIPOC. For example, writing an asian character for your fantasy story is fine, but writing a story about an asian american immigrant and their life and struggles as an asian american immigrant is odd because, like Cindy said at the end of her video, “thats not a white person’s story to tell.” it’s better to advocate for BIPOC to tell our own stories rather than white people taking and telling those stories themselves, thereby profiting off the life experiences of BIPOC. the shift from “write more BIPOC into your stories” to “stay in your lane, leave the intimate BIPOC stories to BIPOC” ISNT a contradiction but just an expansion of the conversation
@@Graid there's a difference between non-POC writing POC characters and non-POC writing POC characters discussing POC issues that they haven't experienced nor will ever truly understand.
As a white person, I actually like that they took this white girl with her “good intentions” and gave her a dose of reality. Teach more kids that you can be an ally without taking away from those you’re supposed to be supporting.
Hi, mortician here: them being in that casket together is so freaking illegal and would cost them so much cash! (They would have to buy the casket;once someone is in it, can’t recycle). I know it’s just a movie, but that sent me to the moon
Also, that was likely an extended size casket. Standard caskets are a good fit for one person on their back, maybe two v thin people on their sides, but you’d still probably have to shove them in.
Girl, shit like this happened with me in high school. I was told to wear shorts and tank tops by some of the other girls in class to show solidarity, but I come from a very conservative Latino houshold so there was no way I was gonna do that. I would have gotten into so much trouble at home. It resulted in those girls in class bullying me, calling me a " stuck up prude". So that scene where Claudia calls out Vivian on all her shit really hit home.
i'm actually kind of glad that the protagonist was white and was constantly called out, the movie showed how you can have good intentions but end up hurting the people you were fighting for, and i think that it's nice for a white director to call themselves and their community out. lord knows we need it
I always feel bad for the actors that have to play the asshole characters bc they’ll have hella people coming for them. I’m sure that he’s a nice chill guy irl but the character is a walking ick which is kinda the point lol
@@ThePinkHamster190 Yeah, if he were just like the character in the movie, he wouldn't be in this movie that supports feminist messages in the first place.
I feel for these characters so hard. I never understood why we couldn't wear skirts that were 'too short' or spaghetti straps to school, while guys didn't have any restrictions at all. One time, my friend got called out by the teacher because she was wearing a shirt with long sleeves, but the shoulders were kind of cut out of it, so according to that teacher, it was "a bit too sexy"...
Right? Like, you would rather patrol our fashion choices rather than teach the guys to get their brains away from their dicks? Seriously, come on! Teach men to respect women and not be concerned with what we choose to wear, teach them how to focus so that we don't become this 'huge distraction' for them, teach them that regardless what we're wearing, it does not constitute "she was asking for it" as an excuse!
@@roselover411 also I feel like some guys don't even care, it's the teachers just making a big deal about it or creepy male teachers who sexualize their students
Bruh when I first watched this movie, I legit cried at the part when the movie showed different instances where the girls were getting legit harrassed (that guy trying to take Emma's pom poms aggressively, or that shirt throw, or that guy being obnoxious etc.) and no one batted an eye because we're just so used to accepting everything guys do as "immature, childish behaviour" when it's clearly not. Like Lucy says, they're not "annoying", they're straight up dangerous.
The only problem I have with this movie is how at the end, Vivian apologized to nobody, and was just forgiven right away. She should've apologized to Seth, Claudia, her mom's boyfriend and her mom. They deserved a sincere apology.
That really nice Asian guy made me so happy for some reason when he put the star on his hand. Like you're cute, nice, respectful and thoughtful!?!?!!?! I love him already. Like marry me
the part where the afrolatina and 'sassy' black girl kissed took me out because it was out of nowhere and they did nothing to carry on a relationship lmao
I love that Seth isn't just a love interest, he's a great friend and so supportive! He also called Vivian out on her bs and we stan that here😌💅 also love that Claudia didn't try to go against her mom just because Vivian wanted to.
Cindy’s analyses are just the right balance of depressive sarcasm, accurate deep thinking, and picking up on bipoc and lgbtq issues and perspectives. It’s an accurate and thoughtful analysis but it’s funny and relatable. Edit: also, as an asian american girl, I love seeing another asian american woman on this platform discussing these topics (and books) and spilling the tea
honestly, claudia deserved so much more. and a better friend too. ma girl got suspended for vivian and vivian didn't even apologize to her properly, she just ignored her even after claudia confronted her, like, twice. (one on before vivian went to the funeral home with seth and the one where vivian went to claudia's house) but even at the end claudia still went there to support her. claudia deserved better.
@@okaysoanyways2645 1. physically impossible jdksfhdkjf 2. and to be honest we don't even have chalkboards anymore 😂 I'll throw whatever is in my reach
I think the main character being white, the writer of the book being white is like, yes good thing she didn’t try to write from the perspective of another race. I personally thought the main character was super relatable. She dealt with almost everything exactly how I would’ve. And having her be white and be called out on so many things because of that really made me look at myself and be like, ok, just because I’m a woman doesn’t mean I’m so incredibly oppressed. I am the least oppressed woman. I’m white, and straight, and cis. Idk, I thought it was nice to have a wake up call to that thing because I think once women like me get sucked into the feminism and sexism, we forget to acknowledge our insane privilege amongst other women and races of other genders. Idk if that’s unpopular, but that’s just my opinion. I might be swayed considering I related immensely to the main character solely on personality.
I mean yes, but I think her character being like that made the movie better. If they had made her some perfect woke warrior (like they constantly try to do) it would've felt so fucking fake
@@heatherwild2627 yeah even the problems with vivian i LOVE because it's just so realistic? Like it's not automatically sunshine and rainbows, and her breaking down crying just showed that she bottled stuff up while trying to handle stuff herself while lashing out at others (which was unfair to them). At first I thought it was random but now I think that's actually more realistic; I'm the same age as these characters so I kinda felt that
Ugh, the scenes with the Principal drove me nuts because I knew a guy who acted like "Mitchell" in high school & I broke his nose when he tried to touch me. I didn't get suspended for it because I had filed 3 complaints before & nothing had been done those times since "it wasn't harassment, he just likes you & is trying to get your attention". You can get someone's attention without being shitty. It's not that hard to do.
Omg I had a HS teacher like that. I lost count of the times I complained about a guy who was harassing me and she kept saying “he just likes you! You should give him a chance!” It was like...sexual harassment wasn’t even a concept for her. NOPE! I took things right to my counselor who was awesome and he went “yeah no. Leave this to me. That creep will be out of your class soon as possible. Just make your best “I will end you face” at him int he meantime.” So creeper dude was no longer in my class but that teacher kept asking me why I did that to a boy who “just wanted to be my boyfriend”
@@Chocobo0Scribe I'm glad that your counselor took the situation seriously and did something about it unlike your teacher. Did he leave you alone after that?
@@JuniperJadePR yes. I think he got suspended since I wasn’t the one he was harassing and the teacher had to get harassment explained to her since she legitimately did not know what it was and was so convinced it was “teasing because he likes you” that it just didn’t go through.
Yup and if we use violence or seem threatening we're the bitch or the problem or being too aggressive, when there is a literal privileged white boy creep standing right next to you knowing hes going to get away with everything because he exists. I-
That reminds that we literally had to basically threaten our administration to let us do a walk out. It was for the Parkland Shooting since our school was about 20 minutes away.
@@ninavtv I went to an arts school and they were taking the art out of our school (I know) and they locked us juniors and seniors in because they had media there for the opening of our new building. What they didnt know was that the sophomores, freshman, and middle schoolers were in on it and they walked tf out.
We once did a walkout in middle school The school knew about it and was in on it, so they allowed us to go. The teachers even told us about what it was and what time it was happening and basically said "there will be a walkout at (insert time) so if you choose to you can participate."
@@purplecatloverrandompizza My middle school was the same. They were in on it and let us go. It was a walkout for school shootings. It left me extremely pissed off however because hardly anybody actually gave a shit. They just walked out so that they would miss class.
That love interest is freaking awesome. He's supportive and kind, but has enough respect and expectations for himself and others to not let disrespect slide.
I was literally holding my breath the whole movie scared that Seth was gonna become the stereotypical boyfriend in teen movies that support her till he does something problematic and then wins her back at the end with the bare minimum love confession. But they didn’t do that with his character and I was so happy
One thing I didn't like about this movie was the scene where the one girl admitted to tripping a guy who ended up breaking his wrist for no reason. He didn't even do anything
Right, because why have a conversation about different family dynamics, different culture, and different socioeconomic factors when you can just say, "you can't understand because of an immutable trait you had no say in so just shut up". How not-racist of you.
I feel like her having a liberal mother was the reason she didn’t get it, not just because she’s white. There are a lot of white people, myself included, who had very strict parents and couldn’t do everything other kids did which they didn’t understand because their parents let them do whatever they want. Maybe it would make more sense in the context of the entire film, but just from that scene, it seemed weird to say she doesn’t get it because she’s white.
I just love how everyone snapped at the deliberately plain jane white main girl. I wish more white girls would be exposed like this, like it might seem mean, but that’s nothing compared to what her friends had to go through
As someone who went to a very mysoginistic high school I really hope that we get more movies like this but with better intersectionality and that they blow up in popularity so that way my old high school and all other mysoginistic schools like it can get their inner patriarchies smashed by kids inspired by said movies
This movie should have had any of the Poc characters as the protagonist tho to show struggles from their perspective Also the fact this movie was filmed at my school has me SHOOK
God I felt the counselor scene so hard. During lunch a couple friends and I sat at an outdoor picnic table and this group of guys said we stole their table??? When there were plenty of empty tables??? They threw food at us while some girl filmed my friend (who has anger issues) struggle to keep herself calm. It was on security cameras. They saw it. But they told us to move on. It was insignificant. Never got over it.
i really wish they did a "wonder" type thing where each character got a section which delves into how those characters feel and deal with the moxie club and how they handle social justice. Especially Claudia as she has the cultural sensitivity at home to deal with and her school expectations of getting involved
