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The Atlantic City Express Service (ACES) - NJ Transit's FAILED One Stop Express 

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A brief look at the successes and failures of NJ Transit's highly-anticipated Atlantic City Express Service (ACES), a three hour train line that ran express from New York Penn Station (NYP) to Atlantic City in New Jersey, making just one stop at Newark Penn. The service was cut after 3 years, citing poor ridership and high operation costs.
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@glyphics1943
@glyphics1943 Год назад
Fact is Atlantic City is not as desirable a destination as it used to be. Car traffic to the Jersey Shore proves that, at least seasonally, there is much demand for most NJ coastline destinations. One of my regional rail fantasies is electrification and extension of the Long Branch line. I can dream, can’t I?
@jeffg.8964
@jeffg.8964 Год назад
Too bad the ROW used by CNJ’s Blue Comet is all broken up.
@TrainSounds
@TrainSounds Год назад
They should’ve put the tracks back in, I know it won’t happen, but it would’ve been nice if they did.
@jeffg.8964
@jeffg.8964 Год назад
@@TrainSounds It would be really difficult from a legal perspective. A lot of railroad rights of way were conveyed to the railroad companies on the condition that if they ceased to be used for railroad purposes they revert back to the original landowner. The state would have to use its eminent domain powers to take the land, something that would take decades to do, not to mention the endless environmental studies and NIMBY challenges. The CNJ should have left the rails intact and not abandoned the ROWs. Because NJ taxes railroad companies on all their properties, the incentive is to abandon unused ROWs to take them off the company’s books as a capital asset.
@_SP64_
@_SP64_ Год назад
Honestly if it had more stops, had proper schedules and had the ALP-45DP it could have been NJT's version of the Keystone
@PeterLydenIV
@PeterLydenIV Год назад
I completely agree
@DTransit
@DTransit Год назад
True, but the way that the train had to go out to Philly then back across NJ isn't incredibly convenient.
@bracdude181
@bracdude181 Год назад
@@DTransit Even back in the Blue Comet days the corridor was the fastest, albeit not by much.
@2005GLI
@2005GLI Год назад
Njt didn't have alp45 dual modes back then.
@_SP64_
@_SP64_ Год назад
@@2005GLI i mean in a modern iteration of ACES
@williamfrank7565
@williamfrank7565 Год назад
the biggest problem with rail service to Atlantic City is the ease and frequency of BUS service....A/C was built up by charter buses and most casinos still have a bus "dock" allowing coaches access to the casino/hotels themselves......Plus of course buses are not restricted by needing existing track.....The current A/C.... NJ transit service easily makes as much or more revenue as a commuter service into and out of Philadelphia to/from west Jersey....and the line goes single track nearer to A/C causing schedule limits......
@mbbno
@mbbno Год назад
Ultimately NJ Transit needs to have the NJ Coast Line continue south from it's current terminus of Bay Head. That line should just continue south to Cape May. It should have regular dependable service 24 hours a day.
@tommyg9719
@tommyg9719 Год назад
honestly it would be a long line. but it would he popular. i would go to cape may more quite honestly
@kylieclark3751
@kylieclark3751 7 месяцев назад
I know I’m a bit late to this but I absolutely dream of this. I feel like Toms River would be a larger hub and to extend service to Cape May would give such a cool “train to the coast” feeling. I completely agree with you!
@mbbno
@mbbno 7 месяцев назад
@@kylieclark3751 thanks. We can dream. We need more trains criss crossing the state. Ultimately public transit needs to be funded equally as roads. It's the only way it will be viable.
@eltonsalvador7620
@eltonsalvador7620 3 месяца назад
there's alot of new rail protentional for projects down in south jersey
@seprishere
@seprishere 15 часов назад
Why should it be 36 tph 24/7 from NY Penn (or Jamaica or Montauk!) to Atlantic City?
@CaseysTrains
@CaseysTrains Год назад
Sadly there isn't a direct way to AC anymore from NYC without the dreaded double-backing and high runtimes. Back in the day the Blue Comet use to get to AC via Red Bank and Lakehurst. The army bases, and Garden State Parkway kind of killed The Blue Comet. Most of its right-of-way is now grown over.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict Год назад
The only way direct to Atlantic City from Nyc would work would be if Atlantic City tracks to Philadelphia get upgraded to 125 mph tracks or a new bridge between Brooklyn and the Jersey Shore and new express row via Utica Avenue and then to Hoboken via lower Manhattan or penn Station via new tracks an EL too.
@jaredhaase5282
@jaredhaase5282 10 месяцев назад
Actually the entire Blue Comet line and ROW is intact and in pretty good condition all the way down to Chatsworth. It's from there to Winslow Junction that would require the most rehab, and rebuilding of causeways and track. Up until Lakehurst there's a freight customer so the line is pretty good. It would honestly be a great service if they could restore it.
@tyrese3745
@tyrese3745 3 месяца назад
Nowadays, the only way to Atlantic City from NYC other than the 319 NJ Transit bus route is the Northeast Corridor Line to Trenton, then the River LINE Hybrid Rail Line from Trenton to Pennsauken Transit Center where passengers can connect to the Atlantic City Line.
@nickcef
@nickcef Год назад
They should have never done that reverse move at Frankfort Junction to get onto the AC line. Would have been better to connect to the AC line directly in Jersey and bypass North Philly.
@corriemayo2715
@corriemayo2715 Год назад
Where would you have had this junction in New Jersey?? I don’t necessarily disagree with you, just want to know the route/lines you’d want revived in order to make it possible
@nickcef
@nickcef Год назад
@@corriemayo2715 Well, it probably would have been too expensive, but they could have reactivated the old Jersey Central line that used to carry the old Blue Comet passenger train back in the '30s and '40s. The tracks are still there, mostly running through the Pinelands. The route would take it down to Red Bank on the NJCL and from there they could reactivate the old line to Eatontown, Farmington, Lakewood, Lakehurst, and finally Atlantic City. Most of the line is still intact.
@_SP64_
@_SP64_ Год назад
@@nickcef I think having 30th Street, Newark Airport, Trenton, Lindenwold, a station at Atlantic City Airport and Metropark as stops for ACES might've helped the service.
@Joesolo13
@Joesolo13 Год назад
@@_SP64_ I think the fact that they had to add a stop in Newark is pretty telling how poorly thought out it was. A stop in Trenton and Philly would've only added a few minutes, hardly a decision marker for New York travelers imo, but certainly getting more customers. It'd also have served as a alternative NYC>Philly option which definitely would have brought ridership.
@_SP64_
@_SP64_ Год назад
@@Joesolo13 It would be a good successor to the Clocker and it could take some of the slots available for NJT's Super Expresses and a successor to the CNJ's Blue Comet as well.
@njbusnut
@njbusnut Год назад
If it followed the former Blue Comet route instead of going towards Philadelphia, this would've worked.
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict Год назад
Exactly
@dmac7128
@dmac7128 2 месяца назад
Much of that route is in disrepair and would need major reconstruction to make it active again. Only the northern part down is still active but is used by freight trains. But it would have made more sense this way if the return on investment justifies the cost.
@centredoorplugsthornton4112
The P40 units were acquired from Amtrak.
@alphonsotate2982
@alphonsotate2982 20 дней назад
It was a cool set up NJT had with the locomotives it was a fun ride to AC so sad it stopped
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 15 часов назад
Bus service from Port Authority (only blocks away from Penn Station) goes directly to several Casinos, instead of a train station at the end of town. The bus takes the Garden State Parkway instead of having to go to Philadelphia and loop back around. If the rail infrastructure was better the ACES would have had the advantage of less delays and consumption of alcohol allowed and with party style busses to the Casino.
@jaysmith1408
@jaysmith1408 Год назад
With power, as long as the P40 was running, you were good. If the AEM broke down, you could at least make Newark
@tonytins
@tonytins Год назад
That explains why I rarely see that variant of the P42 locomotives, despite Wikipedia displaying them proudly.
@seprishere
@seprishere Год назад
One crucial flaw is that the 319 goes direct from the Port Authority Bus Terminal to Atlantic City in 150 minutes. 160 minutes is roughly London King's Cross to Newcastle (OK that's 170 minutes or so) which is about 300 miles.
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 15 часов назад
It's gotten more expensive but there's private bus companies (like Greyhound) that directly service three or four Casinos
@dugenpippenger4811
@dugenpippenger4811 Год назад
it is pronounced "bom-bar-dee-ay" not bom-bar-deer
@stickynorth
@stickynorth 4 месяца назад
Correct! French-Canadian last name not WWII career...
@michaelscott7706
@michaelscott7706 Год назад
Or if the NJ Central Blue Comet line was rebuilt n used the north Jersey coast to redbank it probably would've worked.
@dmac7128
@dmac7128 2 месяца назад
For decades, NJ transit has been exploring the possibility of a mid state commuter line that runs through western Monmouth and Ocean counites using the old Blue Comet route. They should be working on restoring that route for commuter service and potential Atlantic City and Philadelphia Express services. The rights of way still exist but are in need of major reconstruction and upgrades to meet modern track standards. It could also take a load of the North East Corridor Line.
@michaelscott7706
@michaelscott7706 Год назад
If there was a WYE track off the NEC straight on to the Atlantic City line without reversing into Frankford Jct coming from the north it probably would've been better. Then it could've used a P40 only and later an ALP45-DP.
@TheWolfHowling
@TheWolfHowling Год назад
If NJT was going to the extra effort of acquiring exclusive rolling stock for ACES anyway, why did they not get a Dual-Mode Locomotive as well? That could operate in Electric mode on the NEC, then seemlessly switch to Diesel Operation on the unelectrified Atlantic City line.
@Racist_Railfan_Productions
@Racist_Railfan_Productions Год назад
Well there's something I've never seen before - first-class seating and a cafe in a Bombardier Multilevel coach
@DTransit
@DTransit Год назад
Very true! Takes you by surprise really when you see the pics of the ACES cars compared to standard NJT.
@andrewnagavelli1215
@andrewnagavelli1215 Год назад
Good stuff. Def more videos on NJ Transit history
@akashdubey443
@akashdubey443 Год назад
I love trains.
@BobNewbie
@BobNewbie Год назад
I never got to ride to this service, namely because i'd have to backtrack to Newark from Philly. It just would have been one of those things to say you did. Atlantic City while fairly close, seems rather boring to me these days as im not a big gambler.
@stevencipriano3962
@stevencipriano3962 Год назад
AC is a bit of a ghetto now
@SuperalbsTravels
@SuperalbsTravels Год назад
Very interesting! 😃
@DTransit
@DTransit Год назад
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@nycres
@nycres Год назад
This thing had no chance. The route was just too circuitous. It's faster and more convenient to take one of the many, many buses from NYC to AC. Most will drop you right off at the casino where you'll often get free slots play.
@TomHoffman-uw7pf
@TomHoffman-uw7pf 11 месяцев назад
The hell with buses. I can't stand the frggin' things. For AC, the train would be my first choice. After that, driving. After that, staying home. I'm not much of a gambler anyway.
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 15 часов назад
​@@TomHoffman-uw7pftrains done properly have an advantage even when shuttle buses are needed
@transitdude3352
@transitdude3352 Год назад
This thing could’ve worked if the train didn’t have wait for permission to use Philadelphia tracks and change power on the trains. I loved it but hated sitting on the tracks for sometimes up to forty five minutes. It needed to pick up people from other stations as well but couldn’t.
@BigRob-FormerlyMrSlim
@BigRob-FormerlyMrSlim Год назад
My dream is that someday NJT would revive the former lines to the other shore town destinations Ocean City and Cape May. Sea Isle and Wildwood are no longer possible as most of the former right-of-ways are now covered by houses/buildings and highways. However, this will most likely NEVER HAPPEN anyway as it wouldn’t be profitable for NJT because, 1. Those lines wouldn’t even see nearly as much ridership at the AC line, they would basically have to run them only seasonally from like, May to September, 2. The residents of those towns would be in an uproar if they were to hear about a potential return of passenger train service as those towns would be, if not dealing with already, crime. Especially Ocean City. A direct train from Philadelphia would attract even more garbage. 3. Much like the most of the AC line, the lines to the other shore towns are single tracked. And it would force NJT to reconfigure the scheduling making even longer wait times between trains. So even though it’s not gonna happen, doesn’t hurt to dream.
@RaisedLetter
@RaisedLetter Год назад
Not that it would have mattered if they did fix the scheduling. Atlantic City just isn't what it used to be. NJT should take a page out of CapeFlyer and the near revival of the Suntan Special from Caltrain. Aim for more practical tourism like seaside towns and beachgoers than just gambling.
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@robertewalt7789
@robertewalt7789 Год назад
The train went to Philly, but no station stop there?
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 15 часов назад
I don't think it went all the way to the station in Philly
@diecastcollector7982
@diecastcollector7982 Год назад
i lived in new jersey for 10 years i always used to see NJ transit trains sometimes often but really never these kids of trains including this one i have only seen once i never took the train that oiften since i didnt work back in the day but atlantic city isnt as busy as it used to be
@kitchener2200
@kitchener2200 Год назад
I really enjoyed this video. I subscribed to your channel as well!
@DTransit
@DTransit Год назад
Thank you so much! Appreciate it :)
@trainrover
@trainrover Год назад
that engine more the diesel-electric than any diesel though, right
@cs0779533
@cs0779533 Год назад
what a frankenstein train. electric front "engine" and diesel back engine
@blackking7512
@blackking7512 Год назад
Should've stopped at NY, Sec, NWP, NWAP, Trenton, Philly, and Intermdiate stops on the Atlantic city lines.
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 15 часов назад
Each stop diminishes speed and comfort of smooth movement. There's plenty of Amtrak service that makes those stops just transfer trains in Philly
@paulmoreno6279
@paulmoreno6279 Год назад
Awesome! 😎
@nathancho1062
@nathancho1062 Год назад
YES
@MichaelMitchRailfan2009
@MichaelMitchRailfan2009 Год назад
I don’t know why did NJT ran ACES during 3 days of weekends, what was it for?
@DTransit
@DTransit Год назад
I think running during the week would've been way too costly, people usually go to AC more during weekends and holidays.
@mattfolgia2676
@mattfolgia2676 Год назад
Fire vid
@theestallion818
@theestallion818 Год назад
Those models still being used for n.j. transit??????
@yankeesforlife24
@yankeesforlife24 Год назад
Only the coaches
@andrewnagavelli1215
@andrewnagavelli1215 Год назад
They removed the lounge/cafe/first class…you wouldn’t know it from any other car if you were on it today.
@AmtrakNerd42
@AmtrakNerd42 Год назад
Do they still use the p40s?
@DTransit
@DTransit Год назад
No, they were sold off to CTDOT back in 2015.
@AmtrakNerd42
@AmtrakNerd42 Год назад
@@DTransit oh. Ok thanks
@arunbhoopathyt6503
@arunbhoopathyt6503 Год назад
Roool them without over head wiress. 2 good luk
@bstephan5224
@bstephan5224 Год назад
United States has one of the worst public transportation in the world. Is our city the full of concrete.
@JermaniBurroughs
@JermaniBurroughs 7 месяцев назад
Yeah but things are Slowly Improving
@stevenroshni1228
@stevenroshni1228 15 часов назад
Tell me you haven't been to a third world country before
@joseph7119
@joseph7119 Год назад
Not enough stops so not picking up enough people doesn't work.
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