The Audience Said No. Loudly. 

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When i'm in a stupid competition and my opponent is a corporation

We're at a point where companies are just following the script of Ready Player One.

Remember this is Ubisoft..just because you buy the game, does not mean you own it

"We're going to nickel-and-dime you further!" "BOOOOOOOOO" *surprised Pikachu face*

"Live Service Games" are about creating problems for you and then selling you the solution. They don't want you to be happy. You won't quit when you stop having fun, you'll quit when you haven't been having fun for months. Here's a novel idea: Make a game. Tell me how much it costs, and if I think it's worth it, I'll buy it. If you want more of my money, you'll have to make another game.

“Do You Guys Not Have Phones?” Ahh reaction.

I swear Ubisoft is it's own worst enemy sometime. When I was part of Siege dev team, the studio direction forced us to follow bad business plans like porting the game to Stadia and Luna for example. Which was a huge waste of time and money that was not put in the game's health and content. At times it felt like the game's leadership team had to fight against the studio head to protect the best interests of that game that we love. I really doubt that this new monetisation scheme was the idea of the team itself

Here’s how you fix the problem. You make a game, it’s a complete game, everything is in it. Everyone plays the game until they’re done playing the game, eventually they make a sequel. Done. This worked when I was growing up. It still works. It creates its own hype when people are waiting for the sequel. Make the game fun. That’s all.

Paying for paying. What a wonderful idea.

Unfortunately the big institutional investors who are holding the gaming companies hostage are demanding ever greater returns.. so the AAA studios can't just sell a game and tally their profits.. they need to continually suck money from players in ever greater amounts... I really don't see it getting any better until the "money people" leave to exploit some other frontiers.

Monetizing games is a funny thing to balance. I think the answer has less to do with what a game need, and more about a company's reputation. A beloved company could ask for more money because the good will is there, but UBISOFT of all companies? Personally, I think games should be forced to have some sort of Free to Play tier if they're going to do battlepasses, and players who bought the game should get some kind of kickbacks forever

I don't do more than one purchase of a game beyond fully fledged expansion packs, I refuse to engage in live service and nickle and diming bullshit.

Modern games ask the question "What can we cut out to sell to the player?" instead of "What's the best game we can make?" and I think it's just reaching a boiling point. Especially since there's a million live service games out there all asking for your life, people are gunna be upset almost no matter what. Helldivers 2 did a pretty good job of feeling fair, but even they've gotten people on their bad side for how the game is run.

It's crazy... They made this live service problem and requiring a constant influx of cash then expect us to solve it? Who asked for these live services? Who asked for these buying dlc before it's even announced? Who wanted these 3 days early access? The companies benefit from the live service by milking us for cosmetics then say oh we're so hard up on money, poor us. The games industry is nuts

Live service games are an unsustainable cancer in gaming. I want these games to fail

so whats interesting about r6s battlepass is that it isnt like a linear 100 levels, its a little bit of a board game where you can sorta plan a route through it, picking up items you want and foregoing items you dont. simultaneously the main way to progress through it is to do challenges, which is time gated, every few weeks they'll unlock a new set of challenges you can do, and it usually involves playing certain characters, playstyles or using certain guns or gadgets. this means that, if you buy the battlepass, you will feel like you're retroactively wasting the money you invested in it by not playing in a lot of different types of ways that you wont like playing. no matter what kind of R6 player you are, some of these challenges will be involve playing the game in a way you hate, and if you dont then you're losing out on rewards that you paid to grind for, and even if you get the pass, and grind your way to the bits you DO want, what about all the other bits? its not a linear pass so theres no capstone that you normally really want, you'll have gotten the things you want and then theres all the other shit, dont you want that? are you just going to ignore the popups and notification icons for all these EXCITING CHALLENGES to grind shit you dont even want? well yes, you are, or at least you should, but it makes the whole experience of booting up the game and doing a few rounds much less enjoyable.

Ubisoft: "Do you guys not have credit cards?!"

The new player experience has always been awful in R6.

Bro wtf is a bravo ticket and why am i so happy i stopped playing siege in 2017?

You know what I absolutely love about clothes IRL? The way that everyone in my state all gets the same 5 T-shirts delivered to them and the same 2 pants. Really makes me happy to be paying my government issued clothing subscription service and I pay for the extra "piece of flair" add-on too to get the same button everyone else also gets every month. Love this wonderful future of individuality and choice and customization. I can think of, uhh, at LEAST 5 different combos of those pants and shirts! SO worth 99$ a month!!! - -__- Why do they keep doing this.

Apologies for the audio issues! We've since solved the problem, so all will be well going forward. ...touch wood...

Ubisoft execs: "No Yves, they're saying 'boo-urns! boo-urns'!"

People like to pretend corporate greed is unchecked, it's easy really, just don't buy modern slop games.

Counter strikes operator skins were a huge deal at launch because they made you borderline invisible in parts of the map.

So in 90 days of development, we got: -Mobile models for recruit -Retextured walls for Stadium -Solis nerfed into oblivion -Fenrir nerfed -Objectively worse T-hunt -Reputation system delayed (again) -Cheaters still running rampant -A reused arcade mode And all of that can be yours for $9.99 a month!

ubisofts stock really shows why they are so desparate for money. they are currently one $ above their starting value. they went from 22$ in 2000 to 95$ in 2018 and back down to 22$ today.

This is the same issue as what corporations do to their employees. Make enticing “new employee” benefits and just ignore the older employees when they ask “what about us who are here already?”

Here's the thing: All of the problems that live-service games try to solve with more monetization are problems that they made themselves. If a good game has both single and multi-player modes, and people enjoy both, they will play it for years even without major content patches. Just look at the older Halo games, or even Mario Kart Wii. In those cases, people even set up private servers to keep it running after their parent companies couldn't be bothered anymore.

I remember when I bought Modern Warfare 2 (the original, 2009). I payed for it once and played it online for many months, and never thought about "buying skins" and "purchasing the battlepass" and "buying a monthly subscription". And the game was still receiving patches and some (albeit small) updates. I haven't played competitive online shooters for a decade, and it looks like much has changed. No more of simple times.

Highly agree about the experience being milsim shoot bang and losing immersion when Lilith and Mulder or Spawn and Zombies etc etc are running around your Modern Warfare milsim arcade shooter.

With Ubisoft, the "they gotta make money" excuse was worn out a looooong time ago.

This situation really reminds me of Tanki Online. It was basically the same, beloved game of the early 2010s, grew to have cool updates, but then the devs started way too delusional, adding cringe "exclusive" animated whatever skins, "rare" mega-expensive cosmetics and modifications, a Battle Pass and even a Premium account service. After all of these occured, the game quickly died out, and from an average of 80.000 players active, last time I checked there were maybe 200-1000. They did everything they could wrong with the game, and even though it never was as big as Siege really, it still had quite the downfall.

Bro mentioned the name we do not name. it still hurts that blizzartd droped hots. I want the game to have a revival.

Fleeting are the days of the at home servers. I remember when my dad set up a Quake 2 server.

This is just like Smiling Friends when they reveal the 'New and improved Mr. Frog show' when everyone boos it. "What's going on? Why don't they like it? We spent over 200 million dollars on it!"

Ubisoft to investors: Don't worry, our hardcore players will take the bait. Hardcore players: WTF?? HELL NO!!!

People could just boo all they want, but nothing will change if they don't stop buying those shit.

"Ubisoft..." You lost me, right there

Seeing this makes me glad I have a backup of the DRM free post Frost and Buck client of Siege that I can play LAN with my friends. Maybe its the member berries talking but old siege playing customs was the best.

SBMM in COD’s case is more akin to EOMM (engagement optimised matchmaking) whereby the algorithm is not designed for the players benefit (familiar SBMM), it’s in place to optimise player engagement with monetisation features. Once again, in a product sold at a premium price.

I hope this is the beginning of gamers not putting up with bullshit anymore.

Let us please all remember the fact the the only reason these games have longevity like this is thanks to the players, no developer is going to do anything for a game no one plays; there are plenty of other paid for games that failed and no one plays or talks about anymore.

This is my biggest problem with the subscription model in 2024 was the sub was supposed to support ongoing development and to stop the nickel and diming business practices emerging in the industry. Problem is, it didn't and now we have both a subscription and a cash shop!

P2W was supposed to be pay 2 win, not pay 2 watch (ads)...

Companies STILL doing race to the bottom thinking there's a hollow earth inside

There's been an update with the Warframe Heirloom situation. The developers announced the next Heirloom skin as well as the changes they are making to the way they go about selling them. The changes are extremely player friendly and it is very clear that Digital Extremes actually listens to player feedback, which is a recurring, noticible habit for them lately.

Glad you asked: How about just selling the game and letting me just host the server myself like i did two decades ago. It works for niche indie games like 7 Days to Die and Factorio pretty well somehow. It surely will still work for a shooter too.

Milking players for money is definitely an annoying trend these days. Just yesterday a game I play rolled out a survey that asked how much I work, how much I make, and my relationship status. It asked about what games I play, but nothing specifically about the game itself. Meaning it's a market profit survey rather than a game improvement survey.

I'm pretty sure they were chanting "wankers! wankers!" at the announcement as well. 😂

Yes... They boo'd. But will they buy anyway? Ubisoft is betting they will. Are they wrong?

These idiots never learn, ever. They pulled the same shit with NFT's in GR:Breakpoint and tried to tell people the same thing. It was pulled very shortly after. UBI, here is an idea... STOP wasting millions on canceled projects that you THINK we "want" and actually develop the titles we've been *loudly* begging you to make for years. You *do not* know better than us and you might actually start making money again! *gasp*

People who mind skill-based matchmaking either didn't play Titanfall 2 multi or simply don't care the game will die, they just want to flex on newbs.

Considering the hardcore nature of the audience I'd offer them higher tick rate servers included in the battle pass.

Ubisoft being so out of touch with r6 fans that they think after all these years, they can pull the zoomer updates outta nowhere. NO ONE OVER THE AGE OF 15 WANTS THESE THINGS

Ubisoft is a decade behind when it comes to the industry. They have added every type of monetization to siege: 60 dollar game, DLC season pass that gives you the maps and operators, then XP boosts, premium currency to buy skins, a cash shop, loot boxes, a battle pass every season and now a subscription model membership. It’s maddening.

I think if your gonna be a live service the game should be free. With a sub, 1 month, 3 months or a year pay options, flat out. No extra cosmetics no expansion packs. Your subs is your account, the money they get from subs is how much they budget into new content.

I was at this event and i was part of the booing it made so many people die laughing

3:45 “Sorry for audio blips” Are you kidding? That’s perfect timing I thought you were quoting Ubisoft. “That is absolutely incredible.”

Who remembers the uplay rewards for doing tasks in games, and you get currency to for cosmetics across all Ubisoft games

They'd have to show their finances for siege openly for me to believe they need more monetization. Otherwise its safe to me to assume they are just greedy.

THE big issue with skill based matchmaking that some companies only call it skillbased matchmaking when in reality it is engagement based matchmaking. Actual skillbased matchmaking is good but engagement based matchmaking is cancer.

There is a difference of people willingly tossing their money at you.. and then you forcing people to pay you..

Thank god for indie devs man. The fact that there are people out there still that make a finished game without asking for anything besides an upfront cost gives me hope still.

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My friends and I only ever played Rainbow 6 Siege cooperatively at LAN's, playing terrorist hunt. They removed that mode, we have now uninstalled and will never install it again. We don't have time to 'main' 1 game to get good enough to play online. So we got some good years out of this game, but it is now dead to us.

what a insane take on sbmm, its always been shit because of the insane varience, it not being consistent was frustrating af

As a siege player the content was basically a reskin of a pre-existing op with some patches then they decided to announce a membership system on top of it as if the build up for the announcement was worthwhile.

R6 Siege does have a battlepass.

MICHAEL FIX YOUR AUDIO. BOTH YESTERDAY'S AND TODAY'S VIDEO HAVE AUdIO ISSUES WHERE YOU ARE EXTREMELY QUIET AT TIMES.

My issue with most current live services is that they had moved away from offering game play changes, modes and improvements to aesthetics. I goal of the live service was to pay monthly to have a continuing release of game content, maps, locations, POI, equipment etc. Now live service means it's a game I can't play without an internet connection and if I give them more money they will give me skins instead of additional gameplay.

Reminds me when everyone boo’d when they announced the self reviving out of frost mats… but we still ended up with it…

3:25 Maybe they were saying 'booooo-urns'?

everyone that boo'd will shut up and buy it anyways. they always do, or companies wouldn't keep doing this.

Getting "Do you guys not have phones..?" Flashback

Companies trying to clone success stories, without understanding WHY its successful

I've been boycotting Ubisoft for over 10 years, & they haven't given me a reason to stop.

Worst bit is they carved out the animated weapon skin from the battlepass to add to the membership

They're slowly trying to normalize this on us. We have to keep fightin

I love a good old english crowd chant. You guys are the best in the world at it.

Battle Pass only work for Free to Play Game. Paid Game can sold Expansion or DLC.

Here's the thing that came to mind when you mentioned subscriptions like Genshin Impact. I play both Genshin and Honkai: Star rail fairly regularly, but I only ever have one of their subscriptions, in Genshin's case, the Welkin Moon, and in Star Rail's Case, the Express storage cache thing (I can never remember what it is called exactly, but they're literally the same things for two different in game currencies. Hell, even the conversions to pulls on the banners are the same.) The key difference though is that both of those together are $10. Total. And like I said, I only ever have one on at a time. All I could find on any Ubisoft subscriptions that are similar put them into the $18-$20 price range, EACH. Same thing applies to RU-vid Premium, as even though that's not the topic of discussion here, it's still relevant. Honestly if companies like Ubi, RU-vid, etc. would take a page out of Hoyoverse's playbook and lower their prices down to something reasonable, I might be inclined to get it. And their games too. Genshin has survived for over... what, 3 years? 4? I've frankly lost track at this point, but the point is that it's proof that a free game with a cheap subscription bonus that's totally optional can be INSANELY profitable in the long run. Sure, the rest of it's shop isn't the cheapest ever, but again, it's all optional, and I think that's the major takeaway.

Lol😂 Boo’d at making the announcement 😂

I feel like its more of a problem when they have to many ways to try and get more money. They have loot boxes, battle passes that expire, in game money you can buy to buy the operators, they have weapon skin packs, you have to buy the game and now they want to add a subscription and a marketplace that they get a cut from?

And they ALL went home and subbed.

PoE is the best way. Some stash tabs for character power that makes 20-30$ needed money to be spent when you get to late game if you wanna interact with trade etc. otherwise just cosmetics.

Ubisoft is speerunning it's own demise.

They might not have a unique gadget but they will still be a good pick have the capability to do 2 peoples job by yourself is vary strong and it will be amazing for solo q as well

the funny thing is, i only play two classes in rainbow six siege and have all the outfits and cosmetics i want for them, all of which i got for free, kapkan and fuze for life

Thing is they are straight up removing options not "making easier for new players"

I paid full price for this game on ps4 8 years ago and then again on on sale on steam with the year 3 pass 6 years ago. wtf...

xdefiant was pitched as a division spin off. im glad it went how it did, even if it did contribute to killing off the division heartland (which was originally pitched as a battle royale game).

Absolutely love the channel 🫡

My ideal way for a live service game to work is simply nice cosmetics. I need to feel like the money spent on mtx is going back into the game to feel comfortable spending. That means a game also needs a good amount of free stuff as well. I hate when corporations just ask for more money to keep doing the same thing theyve been doing but worse.

5:21 A good example of good monetization has to be Deep Rock Galactic. It's not so much of a live service game, but the devs had been pushing out free major updates for years after release along with other customer friendly features and practices which you get access to for the same 20 dollars you bought the game for. They monetize their game by releasing cosmetics DLCs, which devoted fans with spare cash are happy to buy more so to support Ghost Ship games than to get the cosmetics in those packs. Rock and Stone

Cosmetics are fine however instead of bundles have a option to buy single items from any bundle. There are many times I wanted 1 part a of bundle but didn't wanna pay 20 bucks for a one. If they make it so you have the option to buy individual stuff from bundles . I'd be more inclined to give a couple dollars here and there.

When they said all of the battle pass stuff and subscription I was so confused and checked if the game is free and I be damn its 20 bucks lol

Pretty much get ready for adds in games but that's fine. Kind of like my unicorn that suits out money.

Thanks for the video

I remember being excited for Siege, only to be disappointed when the mode I liked best, terrorist hunt, was no longer it's own seperated mode and forced in with the pvp modes. Glad I never ended up getting sucked into it cause of that.