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The Audiophile Bass Paradox, Open Baffle Bass Problems, and our New Epic 15 Loudspeaker 

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"When the current passes through the voice coil and the cone is set in motion we are in the realm of acoustical physics; loudspeakers are literally specialized musical instruments. Loudspeakers ARE the musical instrument that reproduces all other musical instruments; the loudspeaker is the most influential component in an audio system." - Eric Alexander
Apologies for the video quality, the camera focus was on the fritz.
Learn more about the Epic 15 loudspeaker: tektondesign.c...

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@jameslaidler2152
@jameslaidler2152 2 месяца назад
The newest video has the captions off. I mean dude, at least publicly apologise for your idiocy. Pretending you didn't threaten to sue RU-vidrs for giving their honest opinions is not going to make it go away buddy.
@nespressoman
@nespressoman 3 месяца назад
Tekton, you have really put your foot in it.
@tyoung3455
@tyoung3455 3 месяца назад
Be careful here not to say anything negative about Tekton
@TexasCorgiGun
@TexasCorgiGun 2 месяца назад
Don't get sued 😅😅😅
@ReginaldJeeves-i9o
@ReginaldJeeves-i9o 2 месяца назад
What even the shite feet holes on their "products"?
@TexasCorgiGun
@TexasCorgiGun 17 дней назад
They will just not allow comments like the last video 😂😂😂
@triodekt66
@triodekt66 Месяц назад
A low crossover point is what attracted me to my Martin Logan sequel speakers many years ago. Back then the crossover point was 125 Hz so the electrostatic panel covered over seven octaves. I find it fascinating that on your new speaker you’re doing something fairly similar, most of the music coming from your seven speaker array with very limited moving mass. I for one I’m fascinated with the design!
@kaamilarshad5249
@kaamilarshad5249 4 месяца назад
I'm sorry I thought there is a difference in live sound and recorded sound...we buy audio systems to get the accuracy playback of records and CDs. Right?
@wesselingaudiodesign5031
@wesselingaudiodesign5031 4 месяца назад
That is correct!
@marstedt
@marstedt 3 месяца назад
A speaker is as much of a musical instrument as a TV / Monitor is a visual work of art.
@NakeanWickliff
@NakeanWickliff 2 месяца назад
@@marstedta tv with a color cast is not a piece of art. A tv that can’t display true black is not a piece of art. A TV incapable of showing rec2020 for HDR content is not a piece of art….
@johannjohann6523
@johannjohann6523 20 дней назад
Actually, no. A band creates their "sound", live sound by the equipment they use. It is an audio engineer's job to "capture" that band's "sound" in the studio. Pink Floyd is a great example. "Their sound in the studio and live are near identical. This is because Pink Floyd uses their own live sound system not utilizing anything "the venue" may offer. And amazing that the band achieved this even in the 1980'S, and some would argue 70's. And that is what Hi Fidelity is, replicating the bands live sound near as possible without coloring it. Which quite often does not happen giving you a band that has great albums but terrible live sound (which is what you see mostly because the studio allows you to fix mistakes, and the band doesn't spend enough money on equipment to replicate their studio sound live. Or what you would hear at smaller venues.) or vice vera, sound good live but not studio. If a band sounds shitty live and studio, well they won't have a career. Like their music or not, Iron Maiden uses their own live sound system at every show, making that investment for the fans and why they too reach a pinnacle of live sound that "sounds" just like their albums or cd's. This is the whole point of the video. And being a musician, I totally agree. What kills me has been what I call "Audiophiles". People that don't play an instrument (or can't play an instrument) spend gobs of money on stereo eqpt. and that becomes "their instrument. The stereo eqpt. And that misses the point. I never hear Audiophiles talk music and songs, just equipment. I wish band wasn't an elective in school. Everyone should learn to play an instrument and read music. "For life without music would be a mistake." So my 2 cents an accountant and musician going on 50. Peace. (It's a proven fact people who listen to Heavy Metal and Pink Floyd are the happiest group of people in the world. lol.)
@danieljones8587
@danieljones8587 Месяц назад
Hey Eric! My Ulfberhts bass to me is as good as it gets with no artificial ingredients and fillers. Just 100% pure true bass. 👍
@monrosj
@monrosj 4 месяца назад
So how are these Epic 15s different from the The Perfect Set 15s?
@ericnadelberg8253
@ericnadelberg8253 4 месяца назад
The Perfect SET 15's are flea power based speakers. I have them on order to use with a 3.5 Watt 2A3 amp. These new Epic 15's need much more wattage.
@LexusAllTerrain1
@LexusAllTerrain1 4 месяца назад
Do these compete with two way 15" woofer and compression drivers?
@monrosj
@monrosj 4 месяца назад
@@ericnadelberg8253 Tekton's web site claims The Perfect Set 15 is 98dB 2.83V@1m sensitivity, while the Epic 15 is 95dB 2.83V@1m sensitivity. A 3dB difference. Set amps, which are recommended for The Perfect Set 15, are typically 3-6 watts output. Which means the Epic 15 should achieve the same SPL as The Perfect SET 15 with a 6-12 watt amp. Something about power requirement differences between the two speaker models doesn't compute.
@monrosj
@monrosj 4 месяца назад
@@ericnadelberg8253 guess my reply was deleted by E.A.. Am not going to retype it.
@danielwilson5540
@danielwilson5540 4 месяца назад
Hi Eric, can the Epic 15 mid/tweeter array ne upgraded to the berylium tweeters? Thanks!
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120
@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 4 месяца назад
Nice ! Yeah i agree bass is very important ' I played The trumpet for about 10 years my dad retired from Professional Singing Country/Gospel Dad song at many churches/Wedding's even small venues ' Dad has 2 records produced (C.D.) that use to sale in Christian bookstores across the U.S. my mom played piano for the church ' So i get where you coming from with that natural sound ' Alot of people go for measurements now days and some of the best equipment i have heard didn't measure good !! But yeah i would love to try that big boy in my entertainment room fully treated ' Bet that woofer is made 29mins away from me in Kentucky home of CORVETTES/bourbon 😮 Thanks for the video and good luck at the show 😀
@WILRARN
@WILRARN 4 месяца назад
The real problem is most speaker manufacturers are money driven! You’re just trying to make a realistic speaker that sounds right! Never Change your mindset, thank you!
@LexusAllTerrain1
@LexusAllTerrain1 4 месяца назад
I am in the market for new speakers. Every two years I change speakers...I wonder how difficult would the return be if I did not like them. Of course I don't buy to return. I have in mind POLK R700, this TEKTON pair and Emotiva T3. Decisions.
@vvsousa
@vvsousa 4 месяца назад
Go to polk
@jrjones7031
@jrjones7031 4 месяца назад
Polk.
@Cowplunk
@Cowplunk 3 месяца назад
You will have to pay a lot for shipping them back. BTW you will have to wait months for Tektons to be built to order, though they do have premade speakers for sale on the website.
@LexusAllTerrain1
@LexusAllTerrain1 3 месяца назад
I am trying Revel Concerta2 in Gloss White...on order.
@Cowplunk
@Cowplunk 3 месяца назад
I should add that having owned Polks and Tektons (though not these specific ones), I think that most people would prefer the sound of Tekton's Electron speakers to Polk's R700s. They are currently the same price. The Tekton company has issues that would make me hesitant to buy from them again, however. I think you should also take a look at Arendal speakers. They seem very well built for the price and all the reviews I've seen rave about the sound. Like Tekton, they seem a lot more concerned about performance than looks.
@jonathandavis9507
@jonathandavis9507 4 месяца назад
Looking forward to hearing these this weekend. The first couple pairs of bookshelves I purchased were underwhelming. It either sounds like real music or it doesn’t..
@johncallison4745
@johncallison4745 4 месяца назад
Eric, my Neebo are amazing in any room and I have to say they are a speaker for any room big high ceiling, audio room, bed room garage it does not matter where I put them they seem to be excellent no matter where I put them. I cannot say the same about many other high quality speakers I own and have owned at price points way beyond 10k so my hat is off. In my opinion you get it right.
@svtcontour
@svtcontour 3 месяца назад
As far as bass, the best bass I've ever heard price no object has been open baffle. The most natural, controlled and articulate. Of course opinions may differ but its what I think. Downside of open baffle is of course placement in room. At least for me next after OB is sealed, then TL then lastly a simple vented.
@robg8963
@robg8963 4 месяца назад
Havent you been selling the Double Impact a lot longer than 2.5 years?
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
Yes. Around eigth years and we're running a very similar refund ratio over the years.
@t.j.bennett6454
@t.j.bennett6454 4 месяца назад
Here’s why this is both right and wrong. Distortion. I agree that speakers are musical instruments but I also don’t. Let’s say you make the best measuring speaker and there is zero distortion and speed. Then what you are getting is a transparent speaker. That means that the speaker will uninterruptedly play the natural timbre and attack is the music. This type of speaker is not a musical instrument it is a microscope. The benefit of this is that every instrument played sounds like itself. Then you have a speaker that doesn’t measure perfectly and adds its own flavor. These are speakers that i consider instruments. I quite like speakers that do this but they also their downfall is that while the bass might be tuned to sound good for one instrument it doesn’t mean that it will timbre match another. There’s pros and cons. I personally like metal dome tweeters for the way they splay the sound as if it was a real stringed instrument being plucked. I think more people need to be aware of what the strengths are of each speaker and its drivers are. For some people, multiple speakers might be better than one that does everything well
@Cowplunk
@Cowplunk 3 месяца назад
I totally agree. What may enhance the sound of acoustic music may harm the sound of other types of music. Metallica's Justice album sounds terrible with "ringy" speakers. I think my Tektons are pretty well constructed for the price I paid, but I may be adding some No Rez to them.
@marstedt
@marstedt 3 месяца назад
A speaker is as much of a musical instrument as a TV / Monitor is a visual work of art.
@t.j.bennett6454
@t.j.bennett6454 3 месяца назад
@@marstedt your comment could me read two ways. I’m assuming you’re saying that a tv isn’t a work of art which would then suggest you are saying that a speaker isn’t a musical instrument. It uses vibration to make a sound which is literally exactly how every musical instrument works
@marstedt
@marstedt 3 месяца назад
@@t.j.bennett6454 A "properly" designed and built speaker (the perfect speaker) would be able to produce (reproduce) any sound. A musical instrument can only produce a restricted range of sounds. A speaker and a musical instrument are very far apart in construction and purpose, just as the monitor on my laptop is very different to any, visual, work of art.
@marstedt
@marstedt 3 месяца назад
@@t.j.bennett6454 Would you describe a microphone a musical instrument?
@howard5992
@howard5992 4 месяца назад
FYI - brief open baffle discussion is at 8:38 to 9:24
@johnsimmons5056
@johnsimmons5056 4 месяца назад
Hey Eric, is this a sealed cabinet or is it ported in the back ? Can I get this this speaker with a beryllium center tweeter ? Great video. Really considering a pair of these.
@bruceandt
@bruceandt 4 месяца назад
Trends…. The industry we all try to enjoy through discussion in performance of a particular speaker. The manufacturer of the driver, internals and cabinet. I agree with Eric on this trend towards open baffle. Eric did this before it was the flavour of the day. He did it correctly. We all look for the next revelation in sound to deliver chose chills in performance. Tekton provides this. Cabinet builds and materials used are the discussion of so many manufacturers. These are selling points . I believe that Eric at Tekton delivers an incredible range of speakers that should be truly considered.
@maniacaudiophile
@maniacaudiophile 2 месяца назад
SLAPP speakers Say only nice shit about it or we will sue!
@davidpetersen7091
@davidpetersen7091 4 месяца назад
Interesting comments. Mr. Pete-----> aging hippie
@TheNetpctech
@TheNetpctech 4 месяца назад
Thanks Eric for your continued hard work. I continue to enjoy my Ulfberhts. It is the first speaker I have owned with no weaknesses.
@charlesmiller6281
@charlesmiller6281 4 месяца назад
We had Moabs in our room at PAF. Many people said it was the best room, with many others saying the only rooms at this level had more money in speaker cables than my whole room. So not just great sounding speakers, but exceptional value too. The live music comparison is spot on. I spent 6 years in band, an hour a day listening closely to live acoustic instruments. Trumpet, baritone, sax, flute, drums, strings, and all up close in person no mic no amplifier no speakers. Live instruments have an energy that modern speakers simply cannot convey. The only ones that come close are Tekton. Probably for exactly the reasons Eric gives, the combination of his low moving mass array, physically large drivers that move a lot of air, and voluminous cabinets that allow those drivers to breathe.
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
Love it! While I was unable to attend that show, I was told more than once how superb your Moab presentation was.👏👏 Bravo!
@seanb3303
@seanb3303 4 месяца назад
Does KEF LS50 sound like real music to you, Erik? That is kind of the most famous speaker.
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
NO - not even close. It's impossibly small and lacks the power response to reproduce rock, blues, pop, r&b, etc... at live reference levels. This isn't a knock as we offer smaller fun-sized speakers too. The KEF LS50 has other shortcomings but they're probably not worth exposing; for example, the frequency response.
@ubacow7109
@ubacow7109 4 месяца назад
@@TektonDesign Until you look at LS50 Meta, & LS50 wireless 2, LS60, Blade, Etc FR... They all tend to measure really well
@danclark4361
@danclark4361 4 месяца назад
I played drums for 45 years, in many different styles and configurations. I also played trumpet in my earlier days. I do know what instruments sound like, and my Lores are BEAUTIFUL!! Thanks, Eric, for all you've done, and are continuing to do for us people that GET IT!!! 🔊😎
@Coneman3
@Coneman3 4 месяца назад
You don’t have to have played instruments to know how they sound 😂
@svtcontour
@svtcontour 3 месяца назад
The piano's sound different because of harmonics. We dont want loudspeakers to have its own set of harmonics. It should just reproduce what was recorded.
@davidjosephgill9702
@davidjosephgill9702 4 месяца назад
Tekton makes some awesome speakers! I agree with Eric 110%.
@svtcontour
@svtcontour 3 месяца назад
I've invited real musicians over to listen to my OB's for their opinions and so far I'm grateful they thought it was very convincing and impressive. Then again they are very large - no box coloration because well no box. Downside of course is placement is very critical and at least for my own case, I designed and built them for use in the place they are rather than to be sold...etc. I just cant go to a boxed speaker anymore. Have not heard anything at shows or a store or someones house that is more 'natural' but I've also not heard anything Tekton so I cant say anything.
@CarlVanDoren61
@CarlVanDoren61 3 месяца назад
Own dipoles (20.7s) Tuning is everything Listen to reflections
@ajzepp8976
@ajzepp8976 4 месяца назад
Eric's 2-10 subwoofer has been in my living room for the past two years. Its the cleanest, most natural sub Ive ever owned, and a crazy good value. The man knows bass.
@factsdontmatter7664
@factsdontmatter7664 2 месяца назад
I own a pair of Tekton Pendragons and all I can say is the proof is in the listening.
@bloomerb4162
@bloomerb4162 4 месяца назад
I figure if musical instruments resonate, then a speaker enclosure needs to do so to a certain degree. Anything that makes sound vibrates/resonates.
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
When the current passes through the voice coil and the cone is set in motion we are in the realm of acoustical physics; loudspeakers are literally specialized musical instruments. Loudspeakers ARE the musical instrument that reproduces all other musical instruments; the loudspeaker is the most influential component in an audio system. - Eric Alexander
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 4 месяца назад
Enclosure resonances are bad, period. It's hard enough reproducing the input signal, let alone any additional unwanted energy from the cabinet corrupting the playback. Since enclosure panel size oftentimes dwarfs driver size ... it doesn't require much panel movement to generate the unwanted output. Regardless, I often recommend significant amounts of absorption up around the loudspeaker end of the room. Most all that energy that's not directly propagating into the room is detrimental. There are very few sure things in playback acoustics ... unless operating dipoles, I'd aggressively absorb across the front boundary surface.
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
@@FOH3663 - agreed.
@marstedt
@marstedt 3 месяца назад
GoldenSound is being threatened with a lawsuit due to a review of the dCS Bartok. www.youtube.com/@GoldenSound
@nespressoman
@nespressoman 3 месяца назад
Eric Alexander is suing Erin. I won’t ever buy Tekton.
@scottbennett3119
@scottbennett3119 4 месяца назад
Nice video, I got a lot from it.. Thanks
@zackw4941
@zackw4941 4 месяца назад
I've stopped worrying so much about seeking out live music.. Because every venue I go to is a huge let down next to my Moabs 😅
@robertkemper8835
@robertkemper8835 4 месяца назад
Eric, congrats on the new speaker! There is another issue about finding live music. In nearly all venues, including intimate ones, what one hears is amplified music, often played way too loud. Recordings of music are also processed music. There are the audiophile recordings that attempt to get the live sound, but often the music is, for me, on the esoteric side. That said, my Double Impacts (with beryllium tweeter)/4 10 sub combination, with good recordings can sound ALMOST like a very good representation of what one would hear attending a concert. (Every recording engineer has their own view of what comprises a good recording). I still have a slight problem with bass clarity. I suspect that room dimension is the issue. If I've calculated correctly, the lowest full wave frequency my 25x17x9' room supports, is around 45Hz. Lower bass frequencies are therefore a result of reflections, causing reinforcements and cancellations. Changing the speaker placement changes the frequencies where the cancellations and reinforcements occur. It isn't just that bass frequencies seem less directional. I think it important that your audience understand the physics of the speaker to room relationship, especially regarding the bass frequencies. I have spent a lot of effort trying to treat my room, walls and ceiling, and the payback has been enormous. I suspect that most folks who don't adequately treat their rooms will never hear what your speakers can do. (BTW, Do you use anechoic chambers to spec out/tune the speakers? If tuned in a room, the sound will be a combination of the speaker and the room reflections). I suggest that you create a chart of your speaker models correlated with the optimum room sizes in which they would be most successful. P.S. As a former owner of Magnepans and Acoustats, I definitely agree that open baffles have issues.
@brydon10
@brydon10 4 месяца назад
You mentioned before that other speaker manufacturers are leaving a lot on the table and I really think that comment is true. You get a lot of speaker for your money with your designs.
@JR-ho5qm
@JR-ho5qm 4 месяца назад
I’ve always had good results when adding bracing or damping material to a big box speaker. They simply just sound cleaner and tighter. The new 15” speaker looks very interesting! I like it!
@TriAmpHiFi
@TriAmpHiFi 4 месяца назад
Any chance you'll have 12" woofer trim/beauty rings? Perhaps in brushed nickel? Acid Jazz, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
That's really not our gig and it's not how I approach speaker design. Carroll Shelby insisted no useless parts were put on the Cobra; every part was either necessary or performance based/driven. You might find a local machinist that would make you a pair to fit the speakers.
@TriAmpHiFi
@TriAmpHiFi 4 месяца назад
@@TektonDesign . Now isn't that amusing. This week the Vintage Speaker Channel defended his choice speaker saying "These vintage speakers are like a Corvette Split Window Coupe". I replied that 1981 Advent 2-ways in perfect condition were more like a 1977 4-cylinder Mustang ii survivor. Lol, now you're defending with a Shelby Cobra design approach equivalency. I guess it's the week for it. Allow me to point out. Even the Original run of cars came with racing stripes, emblems & hold-on to your corn cob pipe, Shiny Trim Rings around the headlights. I don't think you should leave it up to us to guess what "our gig" is. There's no "our gig" statement button on the website. There's been too much scuttlebutt already on these stereo channels. Perhaps an "our gig" declaration would be warranted.
@billyc1902
@billyc1902 2 месяца назад
Hear hear! A palpable hit! ​@@TriAmpHiFi
@xprcloud
@xprcloud 4 месяца назад
Fantastic Great points, you remind me of Paul Klipsch, 1 Suggestion: PUT LINKS to the your products in the video description! btw I HATE bookshelf excuses for a "speaker"
@sixstringsdown1
@sixstringsdown1 4 месяца назад
LOVE the efficiency of your speakers. Steve Decarts 2 1/2 Watt Tube Amp is a Grand. You want to play levels approaching "COLLEGE LEVEL LISTENING" , simply buy a second and Mono block them! I would love to hear the DOUBLE IMPACTS thru a Decart, point to point wired Tube Amp and pull them into my den and just close my eyes and listen to: DIRE STRAIGHTS ( KNOFFLER, IMHO ) put just as much effort into the mixing of his music as he put into his fingers and Stratocaster. PINK FLOYD: WISH YOU WERE HERE. SPIRIT: 12 DREAMS OF DR. SARDONICUS. VAN HALEN 1. BUDDY GUY: FEELS LIKE RAIN. EVA CASSIDY: LIVE AT BLUES ALLEY... And hundreds more! 🤔 Eric, I think the vast majority of Audiophiles, very much appreciate that they DO NOT have to spend $20,000 on a 100 Watt Tube Amp to make your speakers really work, come alive and reproduce live, fast and clean music. 👍
@kentonbess6269
@kentonbess6269 4 месяца назад
Thanks for your education on how speakers/ Music should sound.. I would love to test any of your speakers.. Hopefully in the near future I can purchase some.
@NeptuneSega
@NeptuneSega 3 месяца назад
Guy cuts holes on a box and adds drivers to it, then think he's the god of sound. Laughable
@operamatthew
@operamatthew 2 месяца назад
garbage company and garbage speakers. time to get out of the audio game.
@thinkIndependent2024
@thinkIndependent2024 4 месяца назад
Under Bass is missing I agree , I also agree you don't have to spend 6 digits to hear a good speaker. 3 Home Systems sound better than most shows
@patrickgeorge141
@patrickgeorge141 4 месяца назад
Good video! Appreciate your approach and style!
@thomasdix8453
@thomasdix8453 4 месяца назад
Thank you, so very true!
@LexusAllTerrain1
@LexusAllTerrain1 4 месяца назад
Please make a video on how you build your speakers ..from raw wood to bracing. And drivers. Including painting...this should open a new market for you.😊
@xsamitt
@xsamitt 4 месяца назад
I agree....people want to know and see how things are made!
@billyc1902
@billyc1902 2 месяца назад
I take it that Tekton has absolutely no wish to improve its own products then?
@billyc1902
@billyc1902 2 месяца назад
They also have the cheek to block people from their already undersubscribed facebook page. It's ok for them to harass reviewers though isn't it... Yuck.
@superdougie10
@superdougie10 4 месяца назад
Eric, you're a genius, and I really dig your work. I've had a few conversations with you on the phone that we're memorable and informative. I can't wait to order my turquoise Troubadour's sometime soon. Thanks for your ingenuity. Doug in San Diego.
@ericharrelson2045
@ericharrelson2045 4 месяца назад
Eric, really glad to see you doing these videos. Keep it going. Thanks
@davidstevens7809
@davidstevens7809 4 месяца назад
Ok.. Im afraid to comment.
@TektonDesign
@TektonDesign 4 месяца назад
LOL! Love you brother! davidstevens7809 is my dear friend and truly an audio genius - literally an audio genius to the level of Guru.
@ReginaldJeeves-i9o
@ReginaldJeeves-i9o 2 месяца назад
Don't be. Tell him how f*cking horrible he is.
@pabulumdrummer
@pabulumdrummer 4 месяца назад
Missed you at T.H.E. SHOW, Good Sir! passed by Saturday.
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