The Axis were not natural allies

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Some believe that the Axis Powers naturally and inevitably came together to fight against the West and Soviet Union. But the evidence supports the opposite view, that Germany, Italy and Japan didn't see eye to eye, and the alliance between them could easily not have happened.
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@TheImperatorKnight Год назад

I know it may not seem like it, but I had to do an all-nighter to get this done. There’s several reasons why… But this is why I won’t be replying to your comments this evening. I’d appreciate it, though, if you could Like the video. It’ll help me sleep easier tonight! Also, the world map was a new addition, and so it’s not 100% accurate yet, especially at the beginning of the video. The island of Sakhalin is split between Japan and the Soviets, but I only showed this part way through. There’s other errors as well; the borders could be more accurate; and the map itself is squished. But if you ignore all the errors it looks okay! ;)

@xtopia9758 Год назад

26 seconds ago

@xtopia9758 Год назад

Good luck

@ArgentWolf95 Год назад

get some rest mate! It's much appreciated!

@dynamo3590 Год назад

😎😎 👍👍

@peoplesoft2784 Год назад

Hey I get it, pulling an all nighter myself. Good luck!

@82dorrin Год назад

Germany and Japan were allies by circumstance. They really didn't have any common strategic goals, aside from both hating the USSR. Neither was going to stick their neck out for the other.

@ReSSwend Год назад

>both hating the USSR Farting in the air. Japan signed a non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union on April 13, 1941 when most of Europe was conquered by Nazi Germany.

@henriklarssen1331 Год назад

I mean were they realy allies? Japan drew the USA early into the War and they made a secret non aggression pact with the Soviets, which allowed the Soviets to free the Sibirian elite troops and reserves to bolster the lines in the battle of Moscow. I think they were only allies on paper.

@kimobrien. Год назад

The both wanted the other Europeans colonies. Japan took what was French, Dutch and British. Had Germany defeated Britain they n doubt would have tried to take British and French colonies. In the end the colonial powers were weaken such that they would face revolutions though out the colonial world. The US cried about losing China. .

@pohorex6834 Год назад

@@kimobrien. what?

@TingTong2568 Год назад

@@kimobrien. the main reason why the Japanese invaded South East Asia is because the US embargo of oil and other commodities to Japan, which it needs desperately.

@Paris-xv9sj Год назад

As like the Allies, the Axis is an alliance BY CIRCUMSTANCES. Thank you for explaining the real complexity of History of WW2.

@Alte.Kameraden Год назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uAK_tcX3WJo.html reminds me of this Dank History meme opening 😅

@Konkov Год назад

circumstances

@Paris-xv9sj Год назад

@@Konkov thank you. (d*mn french autocorrector)

@pauliusiv6169 Год назад

the only reason brittain and france stopped murdering eachother after centuries of war was because of the rise of prussia

@BHuang92 Год назад

Difference is the Axis were hampered by economic limitations and political differences (not as organized as the Allies)

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Год назад

Wow, it is almost as if Germany, Italy and Japan each had strategic aims completely different and independent of the rest of them. Who could have foreseen such a completely logical and rational thing?

@8bitorgy Год назад

Not from the Jedi

@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Год назад

@@8bitorgy The Jedi were of course complete idiots. To the point that I feel that Lucas gave them the idiot ball to hold.

@tyvamakes5226 Год назад

I mean, the Jedis deserved the temple massacre after what the high council had done in a single month.

@KimJongUnGamingAndVlogging Год назад

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Honestly Yoda was pretty useless

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh Год назад

The main problem for Germany, Italy and Japan was that they didnt got one own strategy for all war. One strategy for all 3 Axis powers. For Germany and Italy that was possible. The name of that strategy was Mediterranian strategy. But Hitler rejected Mussolini about that. He was prefered suicidal Barbarossa in 1941. And that was huge blunder.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

I've seen much more bizarre coalitions. There are wars characterized by allies sabotaging each other's ceasefires in order to ensure their "friends" keep fighting while they sit on the sidelines.

@Cptnbond Год назад

It would be an interesting to hear TIK to discuss the minor axis (Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovakia, etc.) that 'joined' the war and their relationships with Germany and each other.

@pauliusiv6169 Год назад

one simple reason: their totalitarian neighbour to the east, russia

@Cptnbond Год назад

@@pauliusiv6169 Yes, but TIK always does such an in-depth, and interesting historical analysis.

@mappingshaman5280 Год назад

@@pauliusiv6169but is this really the case? Bulgaria as an example, did not even join the war against the Soviets as they viewed it as a betrayal of Russia for supporting their independence. Both Hungary and Romania were more allies of convenience, claiming more land from one another as well as Slovakia and Bulgaria respectively than from the Soviets.

@mojewjewjew4420 Год назад

@@Cptnbond commie russia attacked Romania in 1940 when it annexed 2 regions that it never had then deported the natives to Siberia and brough colonists, so and because like Bulgaria didnt join the war but was still invaded by Russia, Romania accepted Germany's deal to join the alliance.

@samlosco8441 Год назад

@@mappingshaman5280 Bulgarian entry into the Axis alliance was a combination of pragmatism and opportunism IMO. Pragmatism in that the country was surrounded by the Axis and was always going to be "nudged" into joining them, and opportunistic in the fact that they used the war to occupy parts of Greece and Macedonia, satisfying irredentists and gaining their own small area of "living space". But of course there was a lot of hesitancy about the war with the USSR in particular since Bulgarians generally viewed Russia with great reverence

@valdezraptor970 Год назад

I did a report on Italian and German relations. One of the other big factors that brought Italy and Germany closer together was the Spanish Civil war. I had to read through Ciano's diaries and some other reports to get insight on this. Ciano's dories (translated) are interesting. He makes some odd comments about Hitler's visit to Italy that I have never forgotten but that's a bit off topic.

@alexrennison8070 Год назад

What odd comments?

@danieleyre8913 Год назад

I think the biggest Catalyst for Italian alliance with Germany was the Italian invasion & conquest of Abyssinia.

@Notdjsbjj Год назад

Just out of curiosity, is that report published anywhere for public reading? I'd be super interested in having a look if so. Cheers

@danieleyre8913 Год назад

@bastiat What bollocks are you talking?

@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 Год назад

@@alexrennison8070 allow me to reference something vaguely and never elaborate

@tomm9963 Год назад

Thank you for this video. Like you say, people have The Axis Powers down as natural bedfellows, when in fact they was constant infighting between them before and when during the war. Germany's aiding of China during the Second Sino-Japanese War, Italian ambitions in Austria and The Balkans at the expense of Germany and Romanian border disputes with both Hungary and Bulgaria

@eze8970 Год назад

You also have the oddity of Stalin's Soviet Union sending aid to the Chinese Nationalist Army - who were fighting the Chinese Communists. Nationalist China also played the Allies off against each other.

@SirBoggins Год назад

@@eze8970 Well, considering how their direct enemy in Asia, the Japanese empire was on the Pacific doorstep of the Soviet Union, then of course pragmatism would prevail over ideology! China under Chiang Kai-Shek was able to hold off the Japanese invasion for 8 years, so it's obvious why Stalin only then invaded Manchuria in the summer of '45.

@eze8970 Год назад

@@SirBoggins The situation was a mess for Chiang Kai Shek. He had a small industrial base for weapons & trade, & was fighting the Chinese Communists, Independent warlords, then also the Japanese, whilst worrying about the Soviets, & warlords on his side defecting to another side. Stalin was supplying the Nationalists to stop Japan, but also to stop the Chinese Communists, as Mao was for the Soviets, worryingly independent. During WW2, Chiang threatened to hold peace talks with the Japanese, if the Allies didn't supply him. Most of what they did supply him with, he used against the Chinese Communists. Stalin invaded Manchuria in '45 as his main enemy Germany had been defeated, his army was strong & trained, Japan was getting weaker all the time, & a lot of the best Japanese units & equipment had been withdrawn. It was an opportunistic land grab, whilst settling some old historic scores with the Japanese.

@SirBoggins Год назад

@@eze89701) It should be noted that the Americans and Chinese Communists under Mao Zedong were actually quite friendly towards one another during the early 40's and had actually planned a joint invasion of the occupied lands with American marine attacks on the coast and the Maoist partisans striking through the mainland. 2) Mao was quite independent but not entirely. It wasn't until Kruschev took power in '53 that the Maoists split off in the 60's. His Maoist view of Marxism was alot more similar to that of Stalin in a way with mass industrialisation and agricultural yielding. 3) Many warlords either stayed with Chiang, defected to the Japanese or joined the Communists. It should be noted that he kinda started it by purging many of the "Left KMT" which had many communist leaders in them, one being Wang Jin-Wei who turned Fash and defected to the Japanese. 4) The "opportunistic land grab" was kinda (emphasising the "kinda" part) justified as the Japanese had whooped the Russian imperial army at Mukden and took alot of influence away. Their hatred of Communists only made it easier for Stalin to declare war upon them.

@edu7979 Год назад

@@eze8970 friendlt fire lmaoo

@johnathonyoung4799 Год назад

Italy's history in WW2 is actually really interesting

@johnkolassa1645 Год назад

I like the "but is this really so?" One can't learn from history unless we are willing to ask this.

@Anacronian Год назад

but is this really so?

@rasheed7934 Год назад

I don't get the question.😅

@australiananarchist480 Год назад

@@rasheed7934 Its poking fun at those that just take everything at face value when being taught propaganda at school. Whenever youre told something, you should be asking "but is this really the case", so you can find out the real, root reasons for things. Its a crucial part of critical thinking, something TIK is a big proponent of, and essential for any good historical debate.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh Год назад

On the beginning of ww2, Germany can win the war, but they were doing a lots of millitary blunders. Strategic and tactic. And they lost the war. Is simple. Do not do something what is benefitial for your enemies. Germany and Hitler doing that. Long time and even when is too much. Why is like that? The answers are many and very complicated, but this is a true. If you want know more about that, you must ask or exploire ww2 history. Like me. And even me do not know all, after 33 years exploring that materia. If you want, we can talk about ww2 and all what you like?! Dalibor!

@Blox117 Год назад

USA: everyone should give up their guns germany: you first USA: LOL NAH i meant everyone else

@ImperialSenpai Год назад

Japan became completely unified in 1603 with the Tokugawa Shogunate, which was feudal and isolationist. The Meiji Restoration in 1868 got rid of the feudal system and military dictator (shogun) establishing a constitutional monarchy and Westernized Japan. Oda Nobunaga started unification in the mid to late 1500s with unification being complete when Tokugawa Ieyasu.

@gabrielesalera7088 7 месяцев назад

yep, saying that Japan was unified in the 1800s is... oof. Quite inaccurate to say the least. Like a lot of other stuff said in the video, but I digress

@ImperialSenpai 7 месяцев назад

@@gabrielesalera7088 Been a while, but from what I remember I enjoyed it. Just felt like I needed to point out that it wasn’t unification like Germany and Italy but putting the emperor back in charge and centralizing the government.

@hendrickx88 Год назад

When you really drill down, the only thing that Italy, Germany, and Japan had in common during WWII was that they were nations that, for one reason or another, were late to colonize and industrialize.

@Paciat Год назад

Poland had its colonization and foremost industrialization ambitions. In the mid 30s also had great relations with Japan, tried to have good relations with Germany and feared the Soviets greatly. Yet an alliance with Germany was as absurd to Poland as an alliance with USSR.

@cleanTron Год назад

Afaik Japan, Germany and Itlay all feeled betrayed by Britain cause of the Versailles treaty. Germany for know reasons and Italy/ Japan cause of promised colonys the British then keeped by themself. I think the WW1 alliance between Britain and England is even more curious cause Britain was the colonizing power of the USA and 60% of US population had german ancestors. Even more curious was the British- Russian alliance because Britain and GErmany was almost the same tribe and british hated the Russians. It was more like the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

@BoxStudioExecutive Год назад

@@cleanTron The alliance between UK and USA in WW1 isn't curious, it was purely economical. Wall Street bankers literally went to Congress and said "Hey, so um...we loaned a bunch of money to the British and if they lose, we'll go bankrupt and the USA will be economically fucked." And Congress was like "Well wtf do you want us to do about it?" and the bankers were like "You should join the war to make sure the British win." And then the country ended up economically fucked anyway because that's what happens when the government socializes corporate losses to keep profits private.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

Germany wasn't really all that late to industrialize.

@cleanTron Год назад

@@BoxStudioExecutive Afaik the British had to pay some reparations to make the USA less hate them. I don`t know if the wall street dept really was a point, they would have received the money anyway, maybe the british needed a bit longer. Also they needed to make the Lusitania false flag operation and not forget the Balfour declararion coming with a lot of fake propaganda like the belgium kids with the cutted hands..

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

Romania had no love for the Axis, but the territorial losses in 1940 forced Romania to join the Axis. The Romanians were Anglophiles but also feared the Soviet Union.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh Год назад

Romania after 1940 needed protection of agresive USSR. Russia ( before 1917 ) and USSR ( after 1924 ) thinked that Your country is russian backyard. Especially after 1945 and 1948. Like Putin Russia today with Ukrajina. But, these guys are wrong! Dalibor!

@AFGuidesHD Год назад

"Romanians were Anglophiles" is that why the Anglos were constantly threatening Romania and generally seething hard when Romania said they wouldn't join Britain's war against Germany throughout 1939 ?

@SirBoggins Год назад

@@AFGuidesHD Dude your description says you're from the UK 💀💀💀💀

@3dcomrade Год назад

@@AFGuidesHD it is in line. The Brits are desperate, and so they try to pull an Anglophile in Why bother trying to get Bulgaria and Hungary? They hate Britain, Yugoslavia? They had unprotected borders

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh Год назад

@@AFGuidesHD Yes, thats true! In fact, Romania must choose between two evils: does it want german dominance or soviet tyranny. And I agree. Germany was less evil for Romania in that time. And worst evil will come soon. Just 5 years later ( 1945 ). The same situation is even today for Romania and Croatia. Thats past and the future.

@ryangriffin5990 Год назад

I see Tik I click

@loyaltyisroyalty5616 Год назад

I concur

@theoldcavalier7451 Год назад

Very quick

@diggydumbo9294 Год назад

Only men of culture here 🗿

@anonpc Год назад

The only natural result

@PiousPriest Год назад

Calling out commies when they try to be slick.

@khangnguyenthaiduy9129 Год назад

The Axis were allies because they had a common enemy. If they managed to defeat said enemy, no doubt, they would turn against each others.

@holdinmcgroin8639 Год назад

The allies were the same, though. Just look at the US and USSR

@khangnguyenthaiduy9129 Год назад

@@holdinmcgroin8639 But UK and the US were genuine allies.

@spartanalex9006 Год назад

@@khangnguyenthaiduy9129Anglos together strong.

@groovymckraut7179 Год назад

Also I wonder if one could argue that germanys alliance with the minor axis (Finland, Romania, Hungary) was an example of successful alliance building. He brought several countries that were opposed to each other ( Romania and Hungary), opposed to him in the past (Romania and Finland) into his orbit. Yes the alliance was ultimately defeated so perhaps it doesn’t count

@captainamerica6525 Год назад

With Finland in those days I think in regards to the Nazis it was, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

@francescomagnosi3299 Год назад

Hi Tik, nice video. I think you made a small mistake at the start of the video: Italy officialy unified not in 1871(the year in which Rome was annexed) but in 1861(when both North and South Italy were unified). Still, this video is really informative and shows how the Axis was an alliance of convenience.

@SirBoggins Год назад

A lot more than the "liberal" & "democratic" west.

@JVDAWG1 Год назад

1871 can also be viewed as the true unification.

@magnumopus1628 Год назад

Ah, un altro italiano che segue questo canale... mi fa davvero piacere.

@magnumopus1628 Год назад

@@JVDAWG1 Not really, the ''true'' unification was the 17th of march, 1861. We even have the festivity of the unification here in italy.

@giodandosu Год назад

@@magnumopus1628 and with me.... siamo tre!

@akken2112 Год назад

People forget or don't know that Japan and Italy were on the allied side in WWI.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

Japan only seized some small ports and sat the rest out.

@robertdickson9319 Год назад

@@samsonsoturian6013 Certainly Japanese involvement did not reach the level of the European countries after their conquests in 1914 but to say they "sat the rest out" is not accurate - Japanese ships were used in the Mediterranean in 1917/18 while Japanese troops went into Siberia after the Russian revolution. Not an impressive amount of action but action nonetheless.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

@@robertdickson9319 The Arabs did more than that, and those guys were just a mob of pirates.

@GALAXY-39 Год назад

This is one of the best videos about the Axis I ever seen, thanks a lot for it. Also it’s important to mention that both Italy and Japan wanted Poland to join the Axis (something that Hitler was against it for territorial and racial reasons), in fact Poland and Japan were allies during all the war, Poland send information about the USSR and the Third Reich to Japan and both of them refused to be at war even if they were from opposite sides during the conflict. Poland send a former declaration of war by pressure of the British, but the Japanese just simply deny it and both of them still cooperating.

@jakublulek3261 Год назад

My favourite part is that the Japanese were "honorary Aryans" for Nazis. Hilarious to what lengths racists must go to hold their beliefs together.

@kl-io9tk Год назад

To be fair Nazis also declared Chinese as honorary aryans. People who were at that time very poor and looked down upon on. Hitlers admiration of east asians probably came from them being light skinned and being an unmixed race a trait hitler also admired a lot. Hitler also declared Iranians as aryans. Out of all things In hitlers racial ideology that I find is slavs being subhuman rest of all things are consistent from his pov [admiring light skinned and tall races who were not unmixed]. His hatred for slavs was a weird they are jews bro trust me bro they are mongoloids.

@weareeverywhere8851 Год назад

@@kl-io9tk Ye the war could've turned out very different if he didn't have this weird hatred for slavs and actually allied with them against the jewish ussr government.

@alimiti7265 Год назад

@@weareeverywhere8851 Well there wouldn't be an alliance. They just could maintain what they had (molotov-ribbentrop pact) until allies and axis came up with a peace treaty. If it took long enough soviet union might have joined allies.

@ImperialSenpai Год назад

Hitler did like the Japanese, Chinese, and Finns so they were given honorary Aryan status because he just liked them.

@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Год назад

Same applies to commies, like when Stalin had to justify to all the leftists around the world why the Soviet Union was now allying with Nazi Germany

@borislavkoslov7985 Год назад

I think another interesting point is the Japanese friendship and tacit alliance with Poland. Dating as far back to the Russo Japanese war Japan had a historic friendship signed with Poland. In fact during the war japan heavily opposed the German invasion and occupation of Poland. Even going so far as to support the Polish government in exile against the Nazis and using its network of spies across Europe to support the Polish government in exile.

@hmk5123 Год назад

It's not uncommon to see friends becoming enemies and enemies become friends.

@MBP1918 Год назад

True, it is often forgotten that Italy threatened to declare war on Germany in 1934 over Austria and Nazi intervention which influenced Germany to back down for a time.

@johnnyfives5416 Год назад

The same case also applies with the romanian iron guard and the Hungarian arrow cross party as well as the portugal national syndicalist vs the Spanish falangist. This also applies with fasicism in latin america, especially in South America such as Argentina, Brazil, and chile.

@SirBoggins Год назад

Don't forget the BUF with Moseley.

@johnnyfives5416 Год назад

@HowitzerAlbatross their were multiple fasicist groups in Britain that mosley buf tried to unite such as the scottish fasicist party and the imperial league. They rejected him because the scottish fasicist hike of him and his party of being tolerate of catholics since their were a lot of catholic members in the BUF since it was a secularist policy while for the imperial league who were pro nazis and antisemitic refused and accused mosley of being a jew lover because he originally oppose antisemitism especially since a Jewish boxers train his blackshirts to fight. And he was pro mussolini.

@SirBoggins Год назад

@@johnnyfives5416 Yup

@johnnyfives5416 Год назад

@HowitzerAlbatross not mentioned their were parties split between Italian fasicism and National socialist/nazis that were either pro mussolini or pro hitler before the war.

@SirBoggins Год назад

@@johnnyfives5416 Interesting. If both Pro Mussolini and Pro Hitler had joined up then we'd have an actual working alliance.

@MoneyIsSilver Год назад

Germany and Japan still have a lot in common -they still make the best cars, for instance.

@die1mayer Год назад

Japan copied German cars.

@SK-lt1so Год назад

The total lack of coordination-Italy in Greece, North Africa, Germany excluding Italy in France 1940, Japan not coordinating with Germany against Russia-shows the reality that they had little in common but common enemies.

@verinenpukki Год назад

Other strange thing is Romania and Hungary on the same side.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

They aren't giant peak industrial states, so no one cares about them. It's like how according to the embassies from every country, the interior of the US doesn't exist. Seriously, I had to drive 10 hours to Chicago just to talk to a diplomat!

@ricardocandidodearaujo7698 Год назад

Seu canal é excelente! E por ser legendado, ajuda muito o acompanhar, pois traduzo as legendas para o português, pois meu inglês é mais que sofrível.

@Madokaexe Год назад

Investir em aprender inglês é essencial para qualquer estudante de historia, o conteúdo em portugues é pifio quando comparado ao que existe em ingles

@Dario-uj6qo Год назад

They talk a lot about the period of the WW2, but little is said about the international reasons that led to it and how everything went, so the video is apreciated

@Paciat Год назад

Here is a lecture on the exact topic. The 3 reasons why the world allowed German military to rebuild were British appeasement, Soviet cooperation and US isolation: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-opDuw4OZ3QI.html

@bulbainquisition9590 Год назад

I found this video really interesting; I have been reading Churchill, Hitler, and the unnecessary war, and I am totally complex by the British interwar diplomatic strategy; it seems that England was trying to make enemies and weakening itself for its allies. I hope you cover more about this kind of stuff. It's important to understand why WW2 happened and not what happened.

@rfichokeofdestiny Год назад

I read somewhere that Chamberlain was more convinced of the need to oppose Hitler than he let on publicly both because British sentiment after WWI was thoroughly pacifist and because the British army was not yet prepared to fight another war. How true that is, I’m not sure.

@eze8970 Год назад

Britain's issue was it was still almost bankrupt from WW1, they had politicians trying to win elections after short periods of time, coupled with trying to manage an unruly empire all over the world, & countries that were rapidly rearming &/or wanting their own empires, which could threaten the British Empire. You had a weakened British Empire (militarily & economically & along with France), having to meet new threats (countries & ideologies), now all over the world (not just Europe), with politicians struggling to cope. As actually happened, if you pleased some countries, you would upset others. With hindsight, I think the only way to avoid this, would have been for the Allies to keep attacking into Germany in WW1 into 1919, to crush any notion of the later Nazi 'stab in the back' claim, support the anti communist parties, have a far better thought out Treaty of Versailles & to back Poland & other Eastern European countries against the Soviets, until all the new borders were properly recognised (almost an earlier Nato), but there wasn't the political will for it after the horrors of WW1. Post WW1 was just a big mess in so many ways, almost guaranteeing WW2 in some form.

@bulbainquisition9590 Год назад

@@eze8970 That seems to be one of the book's main points; he argues that war was created at Versailles when the German public felt betrayed by the peace terms dictated to them, the German people being under the sway of Wilson's promises of self-determination. This made the new German Government look completely illegitimate. And then fast forward to Hitler. The British and French showed no will to defend post-Versailles Europe until the very last moment. But the book does point out multiple times that Britain could have forged alliances and maintained alliances like with Italy and Japan but let itself be blinded by its own political ideology or trying to maintain good relations with the distant United States. The book shows that the entirety of interwar British diplomacy was a complete and utter failure and, most of the time, alienated multiple countries they did not have to alienate and making WW2 worst for them.

@danieleyre8913 Год назад

@@rfichokeofdestiny An awful many of the Conservative Party (who voted for Chamberlain) weren’t merely pacifist (and more worried about their stock market portfolio): Many were openly at least sympathetic towards both the Nazis & Fascists. Some openly supported them! It wasn’t until early 1939 that people woke up.

@eze8970 Год назад

@@bulbainquisition9590 Thank you for your interesting reply, I haven't read the book. Britain & France were in a hard place, their economies were bankrupt, & needed to be brought back to peace time levels, but they had to appear as 'winners' of WW1. Even if they had threatened to go to war over the Rhineland, it may have deterred Hitler enough (or he could have been deposed). Hitler was always going to try & carry out his policies. Britain & France wanted the old status quo, which they couldn't have if Japan & Italy (or anyone else) got more powerful, which they were doing. The world had changed massively since August 1914, with a larger global economy, & technologies, making different areas become more important. I would agree the interwar British diplomacy was a failure except for one major thing - they always kept good relations with the US, who they recognised as being a new superpower. This ended up being crucial in winning WW2. With US support (& access to the sea lanes for materials & trade), meant alliances with others weren't so important.

@ohsoedgy6888 Год назад

This isn’t a request for anything but I always wanted to see a video on Hitler’s vegetarianism and how attacked the meat industry and wanted a Post War Germany to be a Vegetarian society.

@MarmiteMangoMachine Год назад

Soyboy Hitler would have forged a race of low-T girly men in skinny jeans. So basically Hitler... won the war?

@tomhalla426 Год назад

The NSDAP was also very into biodynamic agriculture, which was renamed organic after the war. Heinrich Himmler was a particular advocate.

@user-co7fo Год назад

But biodynamic agriculture à la Demeter requires animals in the farm. Would these then not be used for eating?

@tomhalla426 Год назад

@@user-co7fo actually thinking things through was not a feature of the NSDAP.

@SirBoggins Год назад

Kinda like India 🇮🇳 which is not only (ACTUALLY) Aryan, but has a very large vegetarian population. Eating your greens is totalitarian I suppose 😅

@diegoyanesholtz212 Год назад

I always thought it was stupid for Germany to Ally itself with Japan. Italy I can understand.

@williambranch4283 Год назад

Originally Hitler was allied to Republic of China, not Japan. His betrayal of China and joining Japan was a horrible idea. Hitler and Stalin were allies, his betrayal of Stalin was another horrible idea. Hitler originally admired Mussolini. His choice of allying to Mussolini and then having to clean up his mistakes was terrible. It was all Hitler, and his bad decisions!

@thewonderer4808 Год назад

Thank You TIK. Very informative on how over time the three are pushed together, and how strange the alliance really was.

@groovymckraut7179 Год назад

Hey Tik, have you read Richard Overy’s book blood and ruins? It sort of follows the general thrust of Germany, Italy, and japan feeling left out of the empire game and fearing being overtaking by the great imperial powers

@JoeyJoJoJrShabbado Год назад

Pretty sure he cites that book many videos ago

@shelbyspeaks3287 Год назад

-mussolini did less than america -hitler's darwinian race politics are still popular among many different races today -hirohito gave us anime

@googleandsusansucks Год назад

2x Atomic bombs gave us anime.

@SirBoggins Год назад

I'm a manga person, but yea

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

Vhut?

@KomradZX1989 Год назад

I would LOVE to hear more of your thoughts on alternate WW2 history. Terrific video as always! ❤

@thomashaeyen6942 4 месяца назад

it's insanely interesting how all these complex webs of alliances, hostilities, and whatnot were pretty much completely destroyed after ww2 in favor of just the usa and the soviet union as superpowers

@Baamthe25th Год назад

When people characterize Imperial Japan as "fascist", it always weirds me out If anything, they were a militaristic theocracy

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

Because Fascist is an insult and the speaker doesn't know the most basic facts about Japan. It's mostly Chinese Communists spreading that bull.

@user-pn3im5sm7k Год назад

It weirds you out because you actually know what fascism is. You also don't like lies.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

@@user-pn3im5sm7k Who is you?

@xanthippus9079 Год назад

The Russo-Japanese War was still in the Soviet's revenge list. With Germany f'ing around Eastern Europe, Japan was a neat ally to annoy the Russians.

@mrniceguy7168 Год назад

Italy being the only thing in between Austria and Germany is a great story that I only ever heard of when I started listening to Stephen Kotkin lectures

@Gauntlet_Videos Год назад

Great analysis of the geopolitical history of this time period TIK. The Interwar Period has been simplified out of political convenience so I am glad you are bringing nuance back into the equation.

@Lonovavir Год назад

IMO understanding the interwar years is critical to understanding the war.

@Hetstaine Год назад

It's always been nuanced. It's only very basic history that does not do a good telling of the subject. Tik gets many things wrong in this vid such as dates that have been pointed out several times by other commentors. This is why one should do as much research from several sources themselves.

@pietrayday9915 Год назад

To my amateur, untrained, uninformed eye, the Axis always looked like a classic case of politics yielding strange bedfellows. After this explanation, it looks more like that than ever! I'm pretty sure I can see where Orwell was coming from now with '1984' and its weird collection of three massive totalitarian nations whose wars and alliances with each other could change at any moment, while the official word of Big Brother was that the new ad-hoc alliances and wars had always existed: that seems to have been the real-life situation for pretty much all the major players in WWII, to shuffle their alignments around to suit the prevailing winds of changing political, economic, and social changes in their alliances and enmities....

@tariz32 Год назад

Putting Hirohito pic there is a little misleading. He barely held any power in getting Japan into all of this mess. All he did was sitting still and listening to his ministers. It was the Kwantung army and the Toseiha faction (control faction) that was active during the war. Japan was pretty much a semi-constitutional monarchy. This can be confirmed when the 226 incident was attempted in order to “restore Emperor’s power” and when some elements of the Imperial Guards wanted to stop the surrender broadcast. Tojo’s face would be more relevant.

@tariz32 Год назад

Love your take in this video anyway 👍 the Axis had barely anything common. Italy was a generic Fascist type, trying to present itself as an “ordinary” alternative while Germany was far more extreme. Japan was obviously an imperialist archetype (fascist parties in Japan were either eliminated or subsumed by the imperial association).

@googleandsusansucks Год назад

@@tariz32 "Generic Fascist type", well, Duh. Italy was the only fascist country in history as far as I know.

@tariz32 Год назад

@@googleandsusansucks read Paul Gottfried. He explains how Italian Fascism is considered to be “generic”.

@SirBoggins Год назад

@@googleandsusansucks There was Austria tho

@janehrahan5116 Год назад

Except the Nazis and Japanese weren't facist. Spain you can argue. Kinda. But really that's it. "Generic facism" is communists painting it as far away from them as possible, and useful idiots carrying that lie along.

@catalinmarius3985 Год назад

Hey TIKhistory, could you please talk more about the history of Romania during World War 2? I'd be really curious to hear you in-depth take on it. You managed to teach me more about World War 2 history than university teachers.

@Hetstaine Год назад

You obviously had bad teachers, were not following or never followed up subjects up by doing your own research. Doing your own research across a large range of books does wonders. Do you think Tik pulls his videos from thin air? Or does he pull it off the back of others works...

@peterg76yt Год назад

The Allies were even more ideologically divergent, and they made their collaboration work more effectively than the Axis.

@TheGhostofCarlSchmitt Год назад

would be interesting to know about the japanese perspective into the spanish civil war

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

They probably aren't even aware of that war

@vercot7000 Год назад

@@samsonsoturian6013 In ww2? yes they were lol

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

@@vercot7000 I mean Japanese histiography

@ericscottstevens Год назад

China was favored trade status lasted until 1938. Germany needed the raw materials imports. So much so the Germans decided to fulfill a Chinese order for 220,000 new M35 helmets, helmets intended to equip the HEER. It seems Germany decided they needed the influx of fast cash instead of their public support of rearmament at all costs. German forces had a stalhelm shortage until early 1940, still using reconstituted M16, M17, and M18 helmets from WWI.

@xmaniac99 Год назад

Excellent. Basically the Axis is as logical an alliance such as the Federation, Klingons and Romulans joining forces against the Dominion.

@Malinb0ratt Год назад

Also Japans feel betrayed by Germans in september 1939 with "alliance" with ... Soviet Union. Same Italy were confused by this nonaggresion pact.

@jussim.konttinen4981 Год назад

Germany is located in Western Europe, so culturally close to Italy. The First Reich was The Holy Roman Empire. They borrowed heavily from Latin. Latin was the language of the universities in Germany and the rest of Europe.

@DandyDNA Год назад

I don't believe Britain was necessarily antagonistic towards Germany. Britain did agree to a limited rearmament of Germany after all, and had little to no protest over the Rhineland militarisation nor the annexation of Austria. I imagine Britain liked the idea of Germany being a buffer against the USSR

@kercsovlaszlo5840 Год назад

Why didn't the Allies declare war on the USSR when they invaded Poland? Do you plan to follow the "Winter Storm" series? Do you plan to do a new mini-series on "Little Saturn", "Harkov Battle" or "Kursk" Battle?

@user-pn3im5sm7k Год назад

Answering your first question would be considered antisemitic

@user-pn3im5sm7k 5 месяцев назад

@@MehdiEpsilon Not that simple. That's assuming Britain and France would treat the USSR and Germany as the same. They never were going to. And by the way, up until that point only the Soviet Union had invaded foreign territories through military means. Xinjiang and Afghanistan namely, and several european nations after they wrongfully invaded Poland. Austrians and Czechoslovakians voted to unite with Germany, which made sense since they're historically German and the people are Germans by blood. The point of all this is that the West only had a problem with German expansion while turning a blind eye to a much bloodier Red expansion. Its all about pointing out hypocrisy but of course allied bootlickers don't like when you do this

@charlesiragui2473 Год назад

Biggest indicator that this was not an alliance: Japan did not attack the Soviet Union in 1941. In retrospect, this is the fatal error of the Axis and it is an error that could only occur because these three nations were not really allies. If the JIA had attacked the Soviet Far East, Soviet forces there would have been pinned down and would not have been available to protect Moscow just in time. Moscow was the transportation nerve center of Russia and had Germany controlled it, many of their logistics problems would have disappeared. In addition, controlling Moscow would have made defense of the Caucasus near impossible and Baku oil assets would have been in German hands.

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

The Japanese army was already fighting in China. An attack on the USSR would have overstretched the Japanese army. The Navy however was very powerful and believed that it can win the war against the US Pacific Fleet.

@charliehill7076 Год назад

People either forget or leave out Soviet union. Soviet union was part of the axis powers until 1941 . That is kinda major.

@WillyEckaslike Год назад

from what i have read most British people didnt want war and hated Church ill

@carlrichieukmusic Год назад

Most British people did not want war. #EuropaTheLastBattleDocumentary

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

They sure as hell didn't hate the church

@destroytheboxes Год назад

Human history is easier to swallow when you compartmentalize those uncomfortable feeling events and people Into one ‘baddies’ category. Edit: Ppl have to make ‘the baddies’ look bad, else their minds will see they themselves are capable of great atrocities.

@penguinlust6749 Год назад

How much of a factor was the situation in Spain in the coming together of Germany and Italy, especially since they both backed Franco?

@Geojr815 Год назад

I hate how it’s always Hirohito as the face of Imperial Japan. He didn’t do anything but stand idly by while the PM Hidecki Tojo ran the country and precipitated the war

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

Before Tojo there was Konoe, he was prime-minister when Japan invaded China and Japan became a member of the Axis. Tojo and Konoe share responsibility for leading Japan to war.

@Kuudere-Kun Год назад

China was itself in a Civil War during all this which is why it's so complicated. The Germans only stopped supporting Chang-Kai Shek when he decided to ally with Mao agaisnt Japan.

@douglasturner6153 Год назад

Germany benefited very little from Japan in WWII. Just some UK forces being diverted. But harmed much by entering war with the US.

@friedrichbaeker Год назад

But you are assuming America would never have joined the war if Japan didn't attack

@douglasturner6153 Год назад

@@friedrichbaeker It's a strange case. Hitler said he didn't want a war with the USA. Roosevelt tried and had Destroyers attacking Uboats. Hitler didn't take the bait. When Japan hit Pearl Harbor the German's weren't involved. Most Americans wanted to focus on Japan. Roosevelt didn't have support for a two front war with German And Japan actually helped Germany at that point by siphoning off US Navy assets to the Pacific. Then Hitler idiotically declared war on the US. Of course Roosevelt would have kept trying if Hitler hadn't. But he didn't have enough public support.

@Nekoyama69 Год назад

A little bit of correction, in August 1871, the new Meiji government abolished the traditional domains of Japan, replacing them with prefectures under centralized authority. Japan has been unified since 17. century already.

@linnharamis1496 Год назад

Stick to Tanks…NOT! I have been studying World War II history for more than 60 years as a hobby. Frankly, I have never seen or read a review of this issue as thorough as yours. This was a fascinating and entertaining review of the shifting interests and ideological motivations of the countries before the great conflict. Thanks for your time and effort publishing this video.👍

@mojewjewjew4420 Год назад

The biggest lie is that the smaller countries like Romania had a choice, they would either join Germany or be invaded by soviets, Romania was even attacked in 1940 and 2 regions were illegally occupied and many were deported.

@Inuzumi Год назад

WWII was a battle of empires and interests, nothing more.

@christopherjones67 Год назад

These powers came late to the party. The Furhrer wanted a Grand Alliance with the British Empire. He ended up with Italian's and the Japanese. Life sucks sometimes.

@iGamezRo Год назад

Could you do a video on Edward VIII once? I really loved the Mosley series and since Edward is another controversial figure in British at the time a video or two on his political beliefs and him as a person would be nice to have.

@SirBoggins Год назад

Gave up his throne for a floosy

@keylimepython641 Год назад

Of course the axis weren't natural allies. The Axis and the Allies were two entirely different factions. I'll see myself out.

@scipioafricanus2 Год назад

neither were the british/americans and the soviets.

@seegurke93 Год назад

jeeez how much information :D I have a total overload and thanks TIK! Lots of stuff i have never heard off like the first attempt to snatch Österreich. Great stuff.

@codyshi4743 Год назад

This means all three axis power had knife behind their back, ready to stab one another when the time is right.

@zephyrus339 Год назад

I just realized something: If you remove the war part of the whole situation and added a laughing track, you'd have the beginnings for a pretty cliche romcom.

@ewok40k Год назад

Complete with love dodecahedron trope of likes and dislikes over China

@USSFFRU Год назад

The Axis also really _did not_ like eachother. Germany and Italy were on convenience, Mussolini wasn't fond of Hitler's Aryan Bullshit and Italy had plans for Austria to be a puppet state. Germany and Japan's Ultranationalism were direct opposites, Japan saw themselves highly and didn't think much of Germans [or Aryans in this case] and likewise for Germany. They never had one united goal, their only unifying force was their united hatred of the West and Bolshevism. Afterall, it's like the ComIntern and Allied Powers temporary truce and working together against Fascism.

@newperve Год назад

If Italy had somehow persuaded England and/or France to back it in militarily opposing the Anschluss what would have happened?

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

Very difficult.The French and British people were opposed to war in 1938, even in 1939. Even so, when the Rheinland was re-militarized the German army was ready to make a fighting retreat if the French mobilized, perhaps the same would have happened when Germany annexed Austria.

@tedlogan4867 Год назад

Nihon (Yamato) people are still rather racist to this day. Try getting permanent citizenship there. They still see non-Yamato people as inferior, if not out loud. Look into the Ainu genocide.

@viridiscri9713 Год назад

Did you know that Italy and Japan have never been in war agaist each other? Never in 150 years of the nations born

@pancytryna9378 Год назад

That's completly normal and expected

@viridiscri9713 Год назад

@@pancytryna9378 are you ironic?

@pancytryna9378 Год назад

@@viridiscri9713 No, it is completly normal and expected

@TheGrinbery Год назад

In other word, they all went by the principal of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Kinda. Not really"

@juliusvillalon6816 Год назад

War is business, every alliance is strategic not ideological

@TheBrunohusker Год назад

I did always think it was strange why the Japanese were part of the alliance. Also, I do agree with what you’ve said in past videos that different forms of fascism were different and Mussolini almost went to war with Hitler over Austria. Just imagine a world where Mussolini is part of the Allies. It almost happened.

@SwfanredLotr Год назад

The fact that Romania and Antonescu were told about the plans for Operation Barbarosa beforehand than Mussolini himself, his supposedly main ally in Europe, shows that Hitler handled his alliance very poorly when thinking on the long term.

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

It was logical for Antonescu to know before Mussolini. Hitler didn't believe that Italy is needed for Barbarossa. Hitler hoped for a fast victory against the USSR. Romania was much more important, since the Romanian army would participate from the beginning and Italy was stuck in Egypt and needed German help there.

@ZoomerHistorian Год назад

You're overthinking it, Romania is on the Soviet border and the war came about in large part over influence in Romania

@gintautassickus6390 Год назад

Hitler sending arms to Ethiopia was a massive surprise.

@cronoros Год назад

General history lesson. Great Powers don't remain Allies for long. Either one or both declines or their aims cease to align

@Dionaea_floridensis Год назад

Part of the reason I started studying Japanese was to be able to understand Japanese war documents. Well, the few the imperialists and Americans didn't destroy

@psychodoctor5370 Год назад

I would also like to add one thing to the points why the west disavowed Italy, and that was that Ethiopia, was far more respected in the Western international community than other African nations, most likely due to the fact they were already Christian and proved themselves capable of fighting off a European power, and considered civilized by western standards.

@SpacedudeProductions Год назад

The funny thing about the whole “civilize the barbarians, convert them to Christianity, and abolish slavery” thing is that the Ethiopians had long since been a civilized, Christian kingdom, even before the Romans themselves were Christian, and they owned and sold no slaves…

@williamclark7872 Год назад

I always found that this is a topic that doesn't really get covered enough in popular versions of history, especially in regards to Italy and Germany. Italy was pretty much entirely aligned against Germany prior to Ethiopia, even going so far as to sign a pact with the USSR in 1933, and it spent much of its time up until the Ethiopian War courting the Allies.

@hahayouredead1039 Год назад

Video idea: Reacting to Anton Joly's Operation Uranus and discuss the points you guys differ in. Think that will provide you a semi-break

@TheImperatorKnight Год назад

We've already debated the breakout operation (at least partly). More needs to be done on it though.

@monophthalmos9633 Год назад

Behind closed doors, the French and the British had essentially agreed that Ethiopia was Italy's sphere of influence. French and British diplomats had signalled that they wouldn't oppose an Italian invasion of the country. The half-hearted reaction of the League of Nations reflects that partially. In hindsight it would probably have been prudent for the French and the British to not react to the invasion at all.

@neilgriffiths6427 Год назад

Brilliant - very clear, a timeline easy to follow, and really does show that the events of these times were far more complex than most "civilians" (i.e. non-historians) have as their understanding. Once again, I watch a video from you and consider myself a little better educated - cheers Tik!

@El_Omar2203 Год назад

Amazing video, I was not aware of how circumstantial the alliance of the axis was.

@M0rshu64 Год назад

Hey TIK, have you considered covering the Pacific theater of WW2? Japan was just brutal as Germany yet very few talk about their atrocities.

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

Very few (in Europe and America) talk about Japanese atrocities because they don't care, but those atrocities are well known in Asia.

@stc3145 Год назад

@@dragosstanciu9866 «Very few» is incorrect. Among other things Japanese attrocities towards Allied POWs is well known.

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

@@stc3145 But I doubt they know about the Nanjing massacre and Unit 731.

@stc3145 Год назад

@@dragosstanciu9866 They are well known incidents among history enthusiasts. I doubt Asians care much for German attrocities

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

@@stc3145 History enthusiasts is not enough, the general population must know too.

@narvaliuscore9094 Год назад

There's nothing strange on that. If cheap cartoons have teach me something (now days they rarely do) is not the hate, similar ideas, greed or the interwar period factors that ultimatly put them togheter, but something abobe that and is called *the power of friendship.* The care bears knew about that and they radiated radioactivity, think about that.

@Believeorreason Год назад

So many people fail to realize, that Japan was very close to not joining the Axis at all, and even took multiple attempts for them even join, and win over the populace and politicians to within their country to make it look like the best option. the IJN and Yamamoto was in fact one of the causes that prevented japan's first attempt to join the pact, as he made it known to naval high command and others about Concerns about hitler and his writings in main kampf from a true German copy he had. that plus Japan's extreme hestency up till tojo started to gain favor and ended up as PM, made japan take as long as they did, and even after signing the pact, Japan knew full well, that they would gain very little military aid from, as commanders like Yamamoto fully expected that any aid provided by the other members would face incredibly harshships just getting to japan, as even at that time before the plans for PH were made, Britian was a known prime target, so the indian ocean was expected to be a pain in the ass regardless. Japan joining the Axis was more down to the politicians mainly the army at the time being filled with warhawks, trying not to miss the boat in their minds. hince when the pact did go thru the powers at be did their best before it was all but confirmed to discredit the navy and Yamamoto and those who said simular things.

@robertdickson9319 Год назад

The Japanese navy had plenty of warhawks as well - they just wanted to go south as opposed to the Army that wanted to continue in China and be mindful of Russia.

@MohamedSamyAlRabbani Год назад

For the ignorant Europeans, Ethiopia had Christianity long before Europe.

@dragosstanciu9866 Год назад

But at least we Europeans know that Ethiopia is located in East Africa.

@JoeyJoJoJrShabbado Год назад

Wrong by about 3 centuries.

@antmikedavis Год назад

I wouldn’t say before all of Europe, but a good portion yes. Armenia was the first Christian kingdom.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

They literally didn't, on account that the church was introduced to Greece and Italy by the Apostles Peter, Paul, John, and I forget which others. The church reached Ethiopia around the same time via a single Ethiopian dignitary who converted early on.

@samsonsoturian6013 Год назад

@@JoeyJoJoJrShabbado Almost. The church wasn't of significant size before then, but according to Luke there was one Ethiopian who converted when he traveled to Judea. No idea what happened to him.

@davewolfy2906 Год назад

The Allies were not natural allies.

@davewolfy2906 Год назад

Well, one of them.

@roberthopwood3758 Год назад

Hey Tik. You said you don't want do merch., but hear me out. You could do a range of Cases with "But is this really the case?" on them. I'm thinking Pencil cases, Suitcases Bookcases etc. Give it some thought. Cheers.

@tagekoolander Год назад

i remember reading how Adolf felt he had made a "deal with the devil" and betrayed the white race by allying with Japan really shows how much he thought of race all the time

@alimiti7265 Год назад

Could you direct me to your source? That's really an interesting one.

@tagekoolander Год назад

@@alimiti7265 the Table Talks He calls allying with Japan ”a turning point” and that ”it is the white race who is the loser” because now a continent controlled by europe is given to the japenese On page 181

@alimiti7265 Год назад

@@tagekoolander thank you very much. I'll check it out.