The Bass Trumpet - Discussion and Demonstration 

+Artemio Sandoval The instruments a composer uses creates the color of the music. If the composer wanted something in that pitch, and he wanted something piercing as opposed to warm, then the bass trumpet would work.

You're correct. Bass trumpet is more cylindrical than a trombone, baritone, or euphonium, giving it a more harsh, trumpet-y sound. On a scale from cylindrical to conical, it would go bass trumpet > baritone = trombone > euphonium. On another note, a cylindrical to conical for the high voices would be trumpet > cornet = soprano trombone > flugelhorn, and for low intruments, Contrabass trumpet > ? = bass trombone > tuba. This means the cylindrical family is trumpet, bass trumpet, contrabass trumpet, the half-way family is cornet, baritone, ?, the slide family is soprano trombone, trombone, bass trombone, (contrabass trombone), and the cylindrical family is flugellhorn, euphonium, tuba

The literal translation of "trombone" is "large trumpet".

+Cole Christie Historically, the flugelhorn is more in-line with the tenor/alto horn and baritone than with the euphonium. Euphonium is a bit of a large-bore variant of a baritone IMHO, so I'd put it more in-line with the mellophone, which I think of as a marching tenor/alto horn with a much larger bore, and which is definitely not in line with the flugelhorn. I point to Trent's comparison between flugelhorn and mellophone to see what I mean. Cornet is...just kind-of floating in a group all it's own. It comes from Post-horns, which, to my knowledge, didn't really lead to any other instruments. (I'd be interested to see a low eb cornet, if one exists) Here's my version of your same grouping (lower= wider bore): -Valved trumpets (piccolo trumpet to bass trumpet - Cimbasso) -Trombone family (all higher-pitched trombones - Tenor trombone / bass trombones - contrabass trombone) (Bass trombones are often pitched like Tenor, but with triggers for lower pitches. I'd be tempted to put them in a group all their own, but, whatever...) -Cornets -Sax-horns (Flugelhorn - Alto/tenor horn - Baritone) -Expanded-bore horns (Mellophone - Euphonium - Tuba)

cyndie26 true, but that was back when they were saying the idea of flared brass looked like that. Trumpet flower being a good example. In terms of timbres they are fully distinct

Yup

It makes me want an ice pack and quit trombone e at the same time just thinking about it lol

He actually did it. Look up carnival of Venice trombone and he actually teaches you how to play it too.

But how many of those are there?

lol

wwemario12345 Yes. Me too.

intense moist Is there an intermediate level bass trumpet?

Trent. Fuck you.

If he has another extra one I'll take it too. I don't play trumpet but I will gladly ebay it.

Eric Brown wrong

@@Matthew-ll3fp A shame Cy Touff (USA) or Ken Wray (UK) are not around now, they might disabuse the view that the bass trumpet is "useless"

U can use it if you wanna sound like a trombone without using the slide

He's even better at tenor trombone hero.

Marching baritones are still more conical.

I agree at certain standards

Nah - baritone sounds much better - unless you WANT it to crack, I guess.

Flugabone/Marching Trombone with rotary valves would be correct.

Much narrower bore even putting aside that saxhorns are somewhat conical.

That "baritone" is more in between a baritone and Euphonium in terms of conicality

Valve trombone is fully cylindrical, euponium is conical, and baritone is less conical than euphonium but its not cylindrical. Also tuba is a whole octave lower and is therefore a different thing all together. Im not sure on trumpet, as i am a low brass (tuba and euph) player, but i will say that this bass trumpet to me sounds most like a valve trombone therefore it probably has a cylindrical bore

A baritone is technically a conical bore instrument, albeit less so than the euphonium. You could think of it as a bass cornet.

MrLiamTheLlama Plenty of late 18th century stuff. 25% of it Wagner.

Yes, not only that, but it's muted.

Ride Of The Valkyries! The Bass Trumpet plays the main melody! I have the score to prove it!

It can also be used as a solo instrument in Jazz as well!!

Maximilian Schramm First of all, Wagner is the "main mentor" of this instrument. 😉

Emperor_Xenolius How does it fill the gap? The bass trumpet is the exact same pitch as the tenor trombone. It's not between the two.

Trent Hamilton It was originally in C instead of Bb - but I meant it tonally bridged the gap like all three of his instruments. The Contrabass Trom went between the tuba and bass-trom, the Wagner tuben went between the french horn and trom, and the bass trumpet between the trombone and trumpet.

+Trent Hamilton If the bass Trompet is useless an cornett is useless too. It has an much brighter sound incomparable to the sound of others

That is ridiculous. A cornet is the lead instrument in a brass band.

so is this whole video!

It IS a low trumpet, not a trombone :)

+SirNerdyGamer his point was.. TH said it's basically a valve trombone

+Anderson Johnson its not a valve trombone but it can play in the same register

Thank you :)

Trent Hamilton will you do a brass family including all of ur instruments please

The trumpet was also more directly pointed at the mic tho

As a tuba player I confirm as well

Austin Duong-Van alto clarinet: No one can hear me because I’m the only alto Clarinet player

As a bass clarinetist, tru dat

Austin Duong-Van as a euphonium that’s the only thing that’s not that accurate

Can not confirm as an oboist: oboes don’t squeak

TheBassTromboneGuy Not for the rotery valves, they have no use. Piston bass trumpets are just better

Isn't the valve trumpet the meta trumpet?

also, don't baritones have cylindrical tubing

same

Trumpeter2016 exactly

2018 Student Mario Grandinetti Thats what i asked myself as well xD

That's what they said at Julliard. P. S. I do play the drums... poorly.

you want to know how it feels to play a real instrument

See my reply posted two years after yours!

@@paulcooper8335 See my reply 5 days after yours!

Rossini and Brahms?!...no.

Exactly! It also serves as the top voice in the low brass choir in the last part of the “Sacrificial Dance”.

The Ride of the Valkyries from Richard Wagner’s opera Die Walküre main melody is what it was pretty much invented for!

Not a bad idea. A bass trumpet is going to take up a lot less space than a trombone.

The G bugles aren’t really part of the trumpet family. They’re another beast entirely.

It depends. Some “bass trumpet” orchestral rep was written in transposing treble clef for F or Eb instruments that aren’t really made any more. So someone playing those parts will just transpose to whatever they can read, likely bass clef if they are a trombone player.

Dancing Spiderman No, I haven't. Should I?

Trent Hamilton Film it.

Trent Hamilton I hear it improves intonation greatly

margaretsville So you don't know Wagner's Ring, R. Strauss's Macbeth or Elektra, Stravinsky's Rite of Spring, Janáček's Sinfonietta ... It's such a special instrument, it would deserve much more attention by the composers of our time.

Did my Conn Trombone from 1978 have a _string_ that acutated the F valve? Something I played did.

@@BigDogCountry So do most entry-level french horns that I've seen, though probably in a slightly different way. It's very common on rotary valves made on a budget, where the multi-part linkage of a lever-action rotary valve would cost too much. Honestly, like... yeah, that's using the different properties of different materials to your advantage. It's good engineering, though it does make the instrument feel a little flimsier.

Oh, frames per second... For me fps means feet per second. I couldn't figure out what y'all were talking about. :)

That's what he did. He erroneously called a euphonium a baritone.