The Batman’s ONE Fatal Flaw (Video Essay) 

The biggest thing for me was that the pictures the riddler left for batman of the mayor and different people leaving the club were clearly taken from his apartment. I couldnt get over the fact that noone checked to see if there was a camera at that spot to find out how the photos may have been taken

14:33 Ok, I can actually counter that. See, it's only his second year in the cowl and he never had any experience in detective work, or at least not that I know of, so I'm pretty sure him not being a half decent detective was the intent of the writers. The point is he still has a ton of stuff to learn, and that'll probably be shown in the sequel, therefore, you can't really judge him for that. Also, coincidences and conviniences happen in life pretty often; it all depends on chance.

A controversial take, but a good one, well-explained and excellently justified. I expect nothing less. Great video Gio! Please try to also broadcast your mental breakdown on another RU-vid livestream sometime.

THANK GOD SOMEONE NOTICED THIS... Everyone is praising this movie for a detective story and call it a masterpiece.... Aside from the first act, the batman did fk all. The best kind of detective stories (Zodiac, Seven, Sherlock, Hercule Poirot... you name it) have a strong and engaging mystery with great rewatchability since you want to revisit the scenes and view them in different light... Huge potential this movie had, the problem was it was sold as a detective story and ultimately failed at it. Otherwise, a great batman story

I thought I was the only one who noticed the weirdness with the phone and with the crimebosses still keeping the body.

You’re right, people actually say there aren’t any flaws on batman

I’d say looking at these three examples, number two is by far the worst. Like you pointed out, the first one is an easy enough fix, and even so it’s not as massive a leap in logic as one might think. While your fix of Selina offering the drink is better, I think the film’s version is passable. Side note, yes Selina played a huge role, but without Bruce following her as a lead the GCPD would’ve been screwed too. She was the break in the case. The second one is a pretty big problem though. The phone lying around may have been unnoticed, but I haven’t seen the movie in two weeks, I can’t remember if Falcone mentions it in the message. And cockiness can only stretch so far in defense before becoming stupidity. Like you said, why is the body still there? Why didn’t Falcone see to it to have it disposed of immediately? Maybe he is cocky about his position in the city, but this is a bit too much. The third one is in the middle of the first and second. I think that it’s more than likely that a good chunk of GCPD knows what that tool is, especially if their relatives are blue collar or they themselves have experience. I don’t think the “dad carpet business”was necessary, it was a bit obvious. I think it does make sense though that Bruce would have no clue what it is though, given his upbringing. And remember, it was Batman that realized the tool wasn’t just a weapon and theorized it must’ve been used by riddler for a practical purpose when he pulled up the carpet. Carpet cop didn’t think of that. I think you’re aim is a bit off though by saying this makes Batman not a good detective. Without him, most of this doesn’t get solved. The cops wouldn’t have gained selina’s trust at all. That’s if they break the codes and solves the riddles. The biggest problem is that stupid Falcone decision rather than Batman not knowing all.

One thing here. The phone was not on the girl. Kenzie stole Selina's phone. She says so after she captures him. So that "plot convenience" doesnt exist.

The problem with analysing films like this is that its saying if things didn’t happen exactly the way they did, then they wouldn’t have happened at all. Batman and Selina were on the same path, they would’ve met, they just happened to at that point.

3 things 1.I think theres theres a difference between flaws and what hurts the movie so these flaws don't bring down for me 2.I also think that the bruce not knowing what the carpet tool was but the cop knowing was supposed be juxtaposition between the rich and the poor so of course bruce wayne doesn't know what the fuck a carpet tool is( and actually now that I think about it I'm pretty sure riddler assumed batman was someone from the gutters so he probably thought that the clue was obvious) 3.I think all these coincidences are to further hammer home that bruce is not competent and that along with changing what it means to be batman he needs to get better

That it ends? I feel you dawg I'm still trying sue Marvel for *INFINITY* War smh

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My fatal flaw with the movie is how they handled the balance of Bruce and Batman. Feel like there were moments to use it or hint at it. Also I know everyone praised the scene with the Batman parachute but am I the only one that laughed, thought it was too odd

As much as i loved this movie, this version of Batman honestly bothered me because he doesn't fight like Batman. He's too big and tanky. Batman is supposed to be as fast as he is strong, dodging attacks instead of just taking them and walking it off, but they don't capture that at all. The famous hallway trailer scene is a great example of this problem. He takes a hail of machine gun fire to the chest like it's nothing. There's no body armour in the world that can do that, and a true portrayal of Batman would've been jumping around that hallway dodging the shots. He also didn't fight smart enough, even when he thought ahead and used darkness or smoke to his advantage he didn't change his tactics, at that point he should've taken a step back, gone into Stealth mode and started trying to get the drop on enemies, but he just fights the same as always, not taking full advantage of his surroundings. Again, I loved the movie, this was ultimately a small criticism, but its there and I wanted to mention it

Honestly the Hush comic or The curt of owls showed more detective stuff than The movie which is kinda plagued of coincidences (its still good though) pattinson's Batman seems based from The Earth One comic who is more of a brawler and a street fighter than a master detective, also just like earth one batman this batman never left gotham to train overseas apparently

Conveniences happen in real life and these things happening are what made the story turn out the way it did If they didn’t the plot would be different Also it’s not even that bad compared to other movies since this is the first time these characters are meeting If this didn’t happen they wouldn’t have met

Finally someone else who sees the flaws I saw. While I am feeling more optimistic for my rewatch after doing some research and hearing everyone’s takes, some problems are likely to remain. Glad to hear I ain’t the only one. Guess I’m getting best of both sides and with any luck I’ll like the movie more on rewatch, I did a little first time but left disappointed. Hopefully I’ll like it more the second time

this video didnt change my mind on the movie but i think your commentary on plot convenience is really interesting

I tend to lean into the ninja side of Batman, which arguably includes detective work, but to have a detective Batman movie is something that's been a long time coming.

Bruce thinking that "winged rat" could refer to falcons or penguins instead of bats was quite stupid.

Him not knowing what the carpet puller was was just a point now how he’s not the greatest detective yet because the Batman we knew from the cartoons would’ve instantly took that murder weapon back to the cave in like the first 10 minutes of the movie I found out what that what it was

Not to take your words out of context, but I'm not sure if you actually meant it when calling the movie fantastic after giving it a 7/10. To me, that score would qualify as "good", not "fantastic". I don't mean to say that to make your take wrong or anything. Just trying to understand your CONTEXT of the movie. While I think some of your points can be argued against, good video overall. Can't wait to rewatch it on HBO Max next month! BTW, I'm eagerly awaiting your next rant on Batwoman. Whether you'll do it as a video next or during another Live Q@A, I have some jokes/puns to make about it once you're ready!

I honestly don't think anyone can do better than what Christopher Nolan did.

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This dude was speaking facts the whole time😂 i never noticed these things watching the movie

I haven't watch the Movie yet but once I do I will make a Comment on this Video in a Heartbeat so no Spoilers Please.

THANK YOU. I thought I was the only one who realized that Batman did not really solved much in the movie.

since this movie is his second year as batman i kinda like that he isn't the world's greatest detective yet so he's gonna make mistakes but when the sequal comes out i'm sure he'll be better and improved as a detective

Nice video i liked it. Despite the flaws, this is my personnal favorite batman movie. Your plot conveniences are interresting, but im pretty sure most pieces of art have plot conveniences that you personnaly probably haven't seen or notice. No piece of art is perfect, dosen't mean its bad. I planned on doing a video addressing some popular issues ive seen in many reviews. i think people nit pick a lot and i feel like i can de bunk a few of the nit picks people have after watching the movie 4 times. Your plot conveniences are a challenge, nice work on your part :) don't see right now how i could address them hahaha luck do happen sometimes but as you said, we can't disregard flaws because we like something.

I loved The Batman, but yeah it's not perfect by any means. Honestly it's not even as good as The Dark Knight to me, even though it far surpassed it in terms of visuals. Batman actually impacts the overall plot of the movie rather minimally. And I found it highly suspect that Penguin was doing an illicit drug deal with a dead body involved, shot at a cop, caused a massive pile-up and probably killed at least half a dozen people, and yet Batman and Gordon just...let him go. 🤨 Also I thought the narration wasn't used as well as it could have been. Still a great movie, but I think a lot of people are really going overboard with the praise and are consciously overlooking the flaws.

The only thing that confused me was why tf is the GCPD cool with Batman after he assaulted Jim Gordon.

I think that most of the points you brought up were kind of nitpicky, as they are very minimal mistakes that don’t damage the plot at all. I can see with what you’re trying to say and it makes sense but I think that if they remove the minor convinces that he was given, it wouldn’t line up with where Bruce is currently. He’s young and very inexperienced and he’s a long way from the greatest detective in the world status and these convinces are all learning curves for him as a intellect and detective.

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That’s what I’m been saying the detective work in this movie is overrated. Batman doesn’t even solve anything other than a few simple riddles which he got help with

Hey Gio I’ve watch a lot of your videos and your ideas about how Selina can meet Bruce and other suggestions about villains in other movies and better reasons for why they’re the bad guys, you should look into writing movies or shows with some of your ideas

One flaw, no matter what it is, doesn't change the fact that the movie is a masterpiece. I know everyone has their own oppinions, but this can't be debated.

What do you think of batman begins and dark Knight rises?

I am 8 minutea in: The movie is no masterpiece and is certainly flawed in several aspects but The Dark Knight also has the same problem, with the Joker plan being too depending on coincideces. It happens in most movies.

one flaw is the cops not taking his mask off after the explosion

It’s more of a detective procedural than a superhero movie. Law and Order blended with horror featuring costumed vigilantes. This is a Batman story told with a commitment to reality which instantly distinguishes it from all other films featuring the character. And it works incredibly well. The story is a gritty mystery that’s gripping and exciting, coupled with several high-octane action scenes and tons of gorgeous imagery.”

No anyone that's not rich would know that that's a carpet tool, that's just his way of confirming it. Like, trust me I know, my dad was a carpenter

What also got me about this movie was the riddlers motivations. It start out he was taking out and exposing the "liars" and bad peop[e in the city, then on a dime, it's I'm flooding the whole city and killings hundreds if not thousands of people?! To be honest "for me" this movie was mostly boring, definitely not better then any of the dark knight trilogy.

But nothing is as outlandish plan than Joker's escape from Prison in *TDK* lol It always get on my nerves

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U gotta cover legends of tomorrow

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As accurate as this is, most movie watchers don’t analyze films like this. If it weren’t for this video, I never would have noticed these weird background issues. I have issues with this movie too, but mine are a bit more technical, I don’t love it. I normally like your videos, so don’t take it the wrong way. But I don’t usually find super analytical reviewers like this enjoyable or interesting, they come of as BORING reviews to me. But that’s just my opinion tho 🤷‍♂️ don’t stop making videos 👍

I'm gonna ask you a question here bro as I think there's a lil bias going on you start off by suggesting that this is a film displaying the "Batman as the greatest detective" trope that's been missing since the 60s movie. then you go on to explain that he's basically not contributed anything to the movie outside of one thing. yet you still call it a success? Just a question here as its needed but... do you think maybe you're desperate for this to be something good because there's been so little good DC movies of late? If the premise cannot hold on inspection IS it a good movie?

im watching the batman tonight AGAIN!

You're gonna piss alot of Batman fans 😆

He found the car because it a sharp objects through the tire also you didn't show or tell the supposed conveniences. I don't agree with the Selina Kyle situation as it introduces her character and gives her character motivations for why she works for the batman. The odds are that bad shot like that seem like plot conveniences happen in real life too as you said with her watching the fight and after the convenient drug deal she could've at that moment decided to go as the batman was in there with the penguin to get a better look.

Can we all appreciate is time and work for this chanel

Haven't seen it but good review all the same

Its wack cuz I hated armageddon but have been loving season 8 since the new releases

I don’t think that is necessarily a flaw the movie has to have things happen for the story to happen and unlikely things do happen especially in comic book media like what are the chances that the last sun of krypton would land near by Johnathan and Martha Kent 2 of the most wholesome people on the planet and no one complains about that because sometimes for a story to happen unlikely things have to happen that doesn’t mean it’s bad or poorly written sometimes lucky or unlikely things can happen

so fix the problems. make Selena have to hack into some database to find the recording

I enjoyed the film I think it a masterpiece even with the problems I love it the way it is

Wait, are you saying Stephen Hawking was NOT an expert marksman and secret assassin? (...dreams shattered)😭

Keeping the walking confession of Falcone I could argue that Penguin kept it possibly as leverage. Not burying the corpse is stupid, but with the phone he could frame Falcone at some point and place himself as the boss in a power play

No movie is perfect and if you want to nit pick every single scene no movie would survive.

This movie also has another flaw, Batman & Bruce Wayne don’t feel like different characters, Bruce Wayne should be a mask but in this movie it’s like wearing a mask of your own face

For me the biggest flaw of this otherwise amazing film is sadly the finale. The new mayor, Bella Real is a puzzling addition if you stop and think about it. The film is all about mistrusting question marks, so why should I put my faith in someone whose motivations aren't elaborated on beyond what she shows to the world? But I'm not that invested in seeing Riddler's disciples stopped either, I just found out about them and it feels like they really wanted to end on an action scene versus letting the ending sit with you. But again, was still very happy with what we got as a whole and I'm looking forward to what's next.

9/10 batman movie but as a detective story definetly a 6/10

Convience ? 😐

Batman's entire love interest with Selina makes no sense. And yeah, his detective work in this movie is incredibly bad. I think they intended for Batman to not be a Gary Stu.

I thought the same thing

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These problems aren’t bringing down the film nor does it create any logical inconsistencies within the films writing. I still believe that there could’ve been more of an emphasis on Batman being the main detective, your reasoning for the film being “worse” is more based on your own subjective opinion. The movie is objectively great, a solid 8.

question why do u have to shit on everything ever? Ofcourse things are going to be flawed sometimes because perfect doesnt exist

I usually agree with you but this was one of the laziest most uninspired movies I've seen in a long time taking it even further than you are stating. It's not too surprising to me no one talks about this movie now or seems to even acknowledge it exists. It's not as bad as Naomi, but it belongs in the same forgotten corner of oblivious ignorance.

I liked the Batman, don’t love it as much as The Dark Knight. I hated that they race swapped Jim Gordon in the Batman. Nolan’s Batman still the GOAT for me.

One flaw. Makes 20 minutes video.

Huh why did i click on this vid i haven't Watched batman

YOUR REVIEUW IS NOT BAD, BUT YOU SHOULD ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS YEAR 2😐

No film is flawless this is by far my favorite Batman film

I don't think this movie is a masterpiece but I still do think that this is probably my favorite Batman film to date with TDK coming in 2nd. It is definitely one of the best superhero films I've ever seen and the best movie I've seen this year so far. When I rate films, I always start my rating off with my first impressions (usually the first 10 minutes) and this movie started off as a 10/10. Then I started watching it more and more and that rating slowly goes down. There are definitely problems but most of them are not major at all. My rating for the movie is somewhere between an 8.5 to a 9. Also yes, I agree with everything you said, this movie's reliance on coincidences to help our protagonist gets a bit distracting. But the same thing happened in TDK but luck was more on the antagonist's side. Edit: Batman never could've captured Riddler because he was playing Riddler's games. In the end, Riddler technically won. Instead of breaking Riddler's game, he followed along and suffered the consequences from it. He also solved every single riddle in the beginning and also in the funeral while the rest he needed some sort of help. My biggest gripe with the movie is definitely the officer in the end, him helping Batman this much makes Batman's small victory by saving the mayor feel unearned. Also, 3 conveniences in a 3 hour movie isn't THAT bad.

It’s a masterpiece But It has flaws A Masterpiece Is not Perfect 9 / 10(also blank out of 10 is terrible system because it has to be consistent and detailed and can potentially be used a tier list but generally no one’s that consistent) Also spider-verse 2 may beat it for best comic movie of the year

Can you do create a video of why 4kids dubs are bad?

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I loved it up until the reveal. I personally wish that the Riddler would've been some background character that had like one line or conversation exchange with Bruce, like if it were the guy at the funeral or he just had some exchange while the Riddler was casing the club (but not in Riddler attire obvi) I didn't really like that it was just some random guy that we had never met before.

I understand the issues but when it comes to plot convenience the Nolan trilogy is 1 big plots convince, Ras just happens to talk to bruce, bruce just decides to not kill that one guy and decides to kill all of the league of shadows instead, ras just happened to survive, Bruce decides that he’s not a killer, later he destroyed a parking lot and killed Ras by proxy, Bruce lied to the cops that he would save ratchel but saves Harvey Witch the cops could have done, so bane also just happens to be the son of Ras so I think people over look that at say the trilogy is over rated

Batman’s my favorite superhero. This movie has some good elements but it’s not a Masterpiece. 7/10

You missed the point at the simple conceptual level. The movie isn’t a mystery. It’s a detective story, which means it’s the characters solving the crimes, not the audience, we know it’s the riddler and that his plan involves killing political prisoners, that’s why they announced the casting of riddler and didn’t keep it a secret. Batman isn’t perfect, the point of this movie is that everyone In Gotham is human, if it was just Batman or Gordon solving everything, the world will feel dead and one sided, Martinez having a father that works in carpentry adds to the liveliness of the world, detectives have lives and applied it to their work if they are aware of it. These ‘coincidences’ are supposed to make Batman seem less capable, as the director has stated and is clearly shown, he isn’t the worlds greatest detective yet, making mistakes, he gets hit a lot in fights, he’s bold and brash, ending with him losing or getting injured. The carpentry thing didn’t need to be brought up earlier because it didn’t have any uses until the scene it’s needed. The cops talk is what makes Batman realise. Detectives, which he is, knows stuff. The Batman has flaws but this video feels lazy to me. This adds to the point, Batman was lucky, Batman does make mistakes, Batman makes glaring problems. But you forget that even Batman in the comics has people give him information that triggers an idea in his head. Just like Sherlock Holmes a lot of the time. Lucky Watson knew about blah blah because it helps here. Selina, sure you can say that is lazy. But it adds to that luck. But you did say you’ll let one go. So I won’t touch on the topic. The second one, I’ve seen the movie three times and I recall that Selina got the phone, not from the car, but KENZIE, it was on him. He was probably tasked to get into her phone so he can see what is on there. As for the body, sure I can see how that doesn’t make sense, if you just had the phone and heard her death that could work. But notice the green stuff around her mouth and her eyes, I think her body was used as a way to test their drops or some other drug. When he hit the bridge, the light broke his impact into the ceiling, plus his strong armour which can take shot gun blasts at point blank. It takes rewatches and an expectation to appreciate the film. You looked at it as a mystery which was the glaring flaw. You thought Batman in this film was going to be the worlds greatest detective, which he isn’t, I would argue he’s not even Batman yet. More a proto Batman. The first and last one are just world building and coincidences always occur in the world. ‘Oh but the story wouldn’t happen without it!’ That’s literally the point of a story, events occurred that if not timed right, would never happen. You could argue that in Batman begins that if Bruce’s parents didn’t leave early there wouldn’t be Batman. Star Wars a new hope is full of coincidences. Especially with the edition of the other movies. What are the odds that the child of the dark lord is given a message from his unknown sister, who is watched over by the master of his father. Just embrace it, stories are stories not real life. If the bus arrived at the wrong time, the jokers heist at the start of the dark knight wouldn’t have worked. What a coincidence that Rachel is dating ‘the white knight’ of Gotham, if she didn’t meet him out of how many people in the legal system, then Rachel would still be alive and The whole movie wouldn’t exist. Lucky Fox was working on sonar equipment when Batman needed to know where Lou is on the building. Brought up at Hong Kong. And Batman wouldn’t have found Joker either. That’s three for the dark knight. But not many people would argue coincidences as a flaw in the movie. Coincidences happen, that’s how movies are, the fact they only used it 3 times, I’d argue 2 times. Is pretty good. If Batman didn’t see Selina he would still be on Penguins case and likely would have figured everything out earlier when Anika is killed hours later. If they didn’t have the phone the bombs would have still gone off and batman would still stop the riddler when they are at the Gotham square gardens as the plan was still in affect. The bombs were timed. Same with with the carpentry, I think that’s the weakest argument, the bombs would have still gone off. Batman is aware that the riddler would likely be where everyone is being gathered up, and stop him there. They don’t impact the film, but add to it, like I said, if it was just Gordon and Batman, the world will seem emptier and like every other batman where the cops are just useless and just there. As for the relationship with Batman and the cops, I mean, we see directly that they don’t trust him and don’t want him around, they literally were fighting with him at the lockup after he was knocked out. It’s all visual language. I respect your opinion and I do feel I came out a little forceful, (rough day) but yeah, the movie has problems, the joker scene didn’t need to be there. The final fight from the close up shot gun blast to him cutting the electrical cord felt off to me in direction. Falcone and that aspect of the story could have had a bit more oomf on the story. But just like most great movies, they are just minor flaws and if they don’t distract or take away from the movie, then it doesn’t matter. Even with knowledge of some small issues I still give it a 10/10. That ranking may make you think I have bias, maybe, but simple put, this movie isn’t made for everyone in mind, it isn’t marvel. It has a target audience and it is bold in its narrative, your bound to find something that you might question, but typically, the more you like, makes you see the movie again, you pay attention and go with the flow, knowing what happens, things flow better and iffy choices become clear and you are glad it wasn’t changed.

This my theory according your problem about the phone issue pointing falcone's guilty evidence. The falcone's right hand, Penguin perhaps want to plot falcone to dethrone him. Also as you know that cop kenzie were slaved by falcone/penguin because he take a piece of renewal fund... perhaps kenzie kept that phone to frame falcone too. Maybe kenzie dont want to work under mafia like falcone's or penguin anymore. He want something to plot falcone and perhaps be a good cop and dont get slaved by those bad guys. See in this "the Batman" movie all characters had their own dilemma... no one is perfect including the batman itself

It’s boring and he’s too small to be the Batman

So just because fans overlook one or two little missteps they are doing a disservice to the crew? A little bloody condescending don't you think? Honestly I just don't care about this film. It is just another "realistic" bat flick. I am sick of "realistic" Batman films. What exactly is realistic about a rich jerk going out at night dressed lije a flying rodent. Frankly I am sick of Batman period! He is overexposed and overrated. So many great characters and DC and Warner still cannot help but shove more Batman down people's throats! DC are creatively bankrupt and all they can do is keep going back to the Bat cash cow! Fans are no better. They will continue to eat this shit up and encourage the powers that be to produce more said shit

Frankly, from I hear, the Batman indulged in woke nonsense in the last third of it, so it probably won't get my limited funds. I also don't appreciate the number they did on Selina Kyle. She's no one's minion, and she is involved in jewel theft, no drugs. There are some moral lines Selina won't cross, and anything to do with drugs is one of them.,