During a visit to Georgia, Jim explores the debate over Confederate monuments and the legacy of the Civil War. Watch full episodes of The Jim Jefferies Show now: www.cc.com/shows/the-jim-jeffe...
@@ano3758 yeah, russia killed 20 million people. Americans dont even know who even started the civil war, they say Germany all the time I'm always like, uhm the massacres in china fam lol. But for real these white folks in america do not live in reality, it's a trait they have at birth when their superiority complex and american false exceptionalism kicks in. It's so bad to say but it's only the white folks. But that's what happens when you make it illegal to kill nazism in america.
What was Called "Slavery" back then was just ordinary Work at that time,, ,There was very few air conditioned desk jobs with Apple Computers stocked with every game imaginable available. Most people worked off their land in those days. Some still do today, by their own accord. Not everyone is Lazy!
@keith wilson I know what Slavery is... and I know I own in Africa sold us into it. But, just as Moses and the Nubian Jews were brought to their promised land through adversity, Slavery may have been the black men's "IN" to a better life. Even the poorest blacks in the Us have it 10 times better than the average of those in the home countries that slaves came from.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_powers The Axis powers were the nations that fought in World War II against the Allied forces. The Axis powers agreed on their opposition to the Allies, but did not completely coordinate their activity. The Axis grew out of the diplomatic efforts of *Germany, Italy, and Japan* to secure their own specific expansionist interests in the mid-1930s.
I've got to be honest though, as a black man that's the kind of racist I prefer. Like all the closeted racism in the west especially America is fucking terrifying. Like if you actually hate me, just let me know and things will be much better.
Penny Wise I kinda apposite because I am part Native American and I’m talking 40% and I’m also part Mexican 30% and 20% European and a bunch other shit. I’m not super pro race mixing because people are fucking assholes and will tell you how to feel a certain way Because of your background and will say that they are anti-racist but won’t shut the fuck up about race because of the modern day left I just say American and ignore people if they keep prying
USA - Hmm, side with losers who did not want the USA to exist KooKoo Klux Klan - But but the civil war was not about slavery... USA - The Articles of Confederacy state slavery 80 times KooKoo Klux Klan - We should celebrate the people who were traitors to their country oh wait
It's nuts.... Slavery is literally the poster child for oppression. Alongside genocide, ethnic cleansing and concentration camps, it's one of the most extreme forms of oppression.
“The war was about independence, not slavery.” Maybe this guy should read the formal declarations of secession from the States that joined the Confederacy. Each states quite clearly that the preservation of the institution of slavery was the primary justification.
They say no such thing. Only 4 of the 11 (SC, GA, MS and TX reference slavery and the reference in the case of SC is the failure of the north to enforce fugitive slave laws. The others stress the economic importance of slavery to the South - which was a simple factual observation. Slavery was lawful, so referencing slavery in no way nullifies the validity of secession.
Nope. Every generation someone has to do the work to debunk this idea. This generation it is Chandra Manning, whose work looked at the letters written by CSA soldiers (who typically did not own slaves). The reason they fought so long and so hard, despite crazy odds, was to keep black men away from their women. If slavery ended, they thought the world would end. That was what the war was about. If you live another 30 years, the next generation will produce a scholar who will do the work, again.
Sid Olufs So, they wanted to protect their family from black men. By keeping said black men enslaved? This still sounds like the Confederates were motivated by racism to me. Sure, there will have been people who fought who were good people, but good people can still fight under an exceptionally bad flag.
@@timpyrules oops, got caught with an irony deficiency. I have a pill for that. Thank you for the clarification. Just when I thought I was sooooo smart....
Ye, because Jim is a liing piece of shit. And his team is full of cunts. This video is fine and cool, but you can clearly see how the answers from different questions are spliced together
Thelondonbadger Wow, your Grammer and spelling is as bad as your extremely back words points and double standards. You pick and choose events hundreds of years ago and try and associate them with the entire religion. Your talking out of your ass.
Ah, the classic conservative Islam terrorism view so fucking refreshing. Give me a credible source that expresses your opinionated views. Oh wait you can't
I am not religious, but I still thing religion is good for people that need a set of morals to live by. Stop genralizing peaceful religion. People that claim to do something for a religion like terrorists, are actually not living by the religion. They are trying to icite fear and hate for Islam. And they have because people like you exist. You are making their actions successful. Good job you fucking bigot
That would assume the civil war was a contest of some sort. How many modern day contests can you name where people fight each other to the death? None? Good. We dont have Hitler statues in germany or any monuments to the Nazis outside of our museums, which is how it should be. Praising people that fought for slavery or white supremacy is an inherently stupid idea. That has nothing to do with participation trophies, and the comparison is quite moronic, I can only hope its sarcastic.
I don't know how it's different than any other statue of any other person. I mean down in New Orleans is a gold statue of Joan of Arc. That lady was a warmonger with a taste for blood and used her god as the reason why. Is that statue a participation trophy? Or does the person have to be from where the statue is?
You dont see the difference between a peasant girl that managed to rise to power in the military as a teenager fighting for french independence from england and a slave owner that went to war to keep his slaves or a Nazi? Really? Are you sure? Let me explain it then: You can celebrate a cause or celebrate accomplishments. If you put up a statue of Albert Einstein, everybody knows youre celebrating his genius as a physicist, not the way he treated his wife. If you put up a statue of Martin Luther King, you celebrate his cause to achieve equality among the people. If you put up a statue of a slave owner that lost a war to keep his slaves, got his people killed by the millions in the process, you are celebrating.... what? That awesome person, or his great accomplishment of starting a war to keep slavery? The comparison between Joan of Arc and confederate generals is fucking INSANE.
@@niklaswassermann9971 you have a lot of assumptions based on a simple question. you don't know what my point of view is of any statue, I didn't give one. The statues that are being talked about are people that aren't from the areas that they're in. You're so upset you missed the question. What makes one a participation trophy? The point was they were both terrible people at war for terrible reasons. Both were deluded if they think god promoted their agenda. No one is arguing over statues of peaceful people here, like your example. I've seen a lot of warrior statues, are they all participation trophies? That's the question and yours is a challenge, not an answer.
War can well make people worthy of statues, Lincoln is certainly worth all his statues for example, and he fought in a war too. Hell, one could argue he started one. Warrior statues are not participation trophies, first off because you wont find statues of anyone that lost a war anywhere but in the US, and second because a war is not a contest of any sort, as I pointed out before. Not only are all my points valid both in a general sense as well as as answers to your outrageous comparison, but they do answer your question. They are not both anything. There is no point for comparison outside of both fighting in a war, and that goes for the overwhelming majority of historic characters. Noone makes a statue for the losing side of a war, especially if they were slavers. Even if you somehow managed to squirm your way out of that argument, there is literally no point in having those statues up, the civil war wont be forgotten, you can remember the monsters on the wrong side of history in books like everyone else does-statues glorify them, and thats some bullshit. If I was black and living in a country that puts up statues of confederates, I would not just not feel welcome, I would leave to a more developed country where people are taught in school that racism is an inherently stupendous concept. Anyone putting up or defending those statues has evidently not truly grasped that.
Serdar Kocak first of all, we’re the same species. Second of all, it’s actually better for dogs to be mixed otherwise you’ll end up with the poor pug problem we’re having right now. That’s not the point, the point is that there is nothing scientific about interacial relationships. It literally stemmed from social Darwinism.
There is only ONE Race,,, The Human race,, and you are apart of it.... And if the sentiment of ONE person breaks you down like that,, Kid, you have a hard life ahead of you..... Be YOU regardless of what others thinks. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts, and thats fine as long as they stay just that.
@nikola poyukov you're joking right? They had plenty of mixing. Also, I'm not saying it's impossible to survive without mixing. I just said it's more desirable to mix. Increasing the gene pool of a community makes it more robust and less vulnerable. Trust me, I have a degree in bioinformatics
It amazes me that people still deny that the war was about slavery. The confederate states themselves cited slavery as their official cause for seceding. Here's a bit from Mississippi's: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization" Louisiana's: "As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of annexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery." Texas: "...in this free government all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations;"
@Myla Starseed Good job Colorado. In Michigan (even in a racist white city) we learned about Jinn Crow, the Underground Railroad (and Detroit's huge part in it), Plessy v. Ferguson, Brown v Board of Education. I even went as Harriet Tubman for 4th grade "dress like a historical figure day".
@Red 27 In case you've been living under a rock, the "orange man" is, objectively, bad. Everything Democrats warned would happen during his presidency has come to pass--it wasn't hyperbole, and it wasn't sour grapes. He has been an absolute disaster for this country, and we are now in the early stages of a fascist kleptocracy.
Yeah I'd like some citation on that too from reaginic wolf. That said, I don't think assad is the evil person he's portrayed to be. I don't even think he's gassing his own people. Republican guy obviously thought those things about assad though and still said he's not as bad as lincon, so fuck him.
I took what you said about lincoln to a fact checker and it came out insanely false. Lincoln wanted to colonize south america for the slaves but this idea was soon dropped in favour of emancipation , he NEVER wrote anything about sending black people on boats back to africa. and your "fun fact" was painfully idiotic and just straight up false, Monroe was long dead before lincoln even took office. Liberia was founded 1822 , Lincoln began his presidency 1861 , you are so incompetent you can't even get your presidents right , so how can you act so smart and make heavy historical claims like MLK was a pedo. maybe you should take your own advice read actual history instead of history you want to hear on Breitbart , come and respond and explain your self or delete the comment .
Heart of Iron RGF They should. Framing officers who fought for the regime for years and ended up opposing it for archaic, nationalistic reasons isn't too smart.
They don't even belong in a museum. Uniforms, weapons, battle flags, letters. Those things belong in a museum. The statues aren't even from the civil war era. Just melt them down.
@@sle2470 Doesn't mean that they aren't valuable. As humans, we must learn from our mistakes. Think of the future generations we can't hide the truth from them they need to know so that history doesn't repeat itself. It is my belief that when a statue is in a city it is being "worshipped" - the person in the statue is being praised. But when a statue is in a museum it is only history. And, yes it might not seem like history to us - today - but nor does the current Pandemic. Historians of the future will study this time as we study WW1 and WW2 modern history isn't invaluable. It's crucial for us to continue developing and growing as a race. Many of these people do not deserve to have a monument of their facade in a city as we can see, now, that their actions were wrong. But we can't just cover it up. I understand the anger of so many people. You want to hurt these people for everything they've done for all those people they've hurt but the only way you can do that is by hurting their image - their statue - and I am not countering that they deserve that. But a statue is an image of a person; a way of remembering them. You can hurt someone's image without having to do so physically. If these statues were in a museum and young kids from the future see them and read the sign that says everything this horrific person has done they will immediately dislike them. Their image will forever be tainted with hatred. But I must reiterate that we cannot hide from our past by melting it away we need to look at it in the eye and ask why it was wrong and what we can do to help make sure that something like that will *never* happen again.
@iNeverPlayFair I guess you're right. I just think physical objects are far more interesting. But, in a way, in this day an age any historical artifact is pointless due to history books. The glorification is totally wrong, through. I do agree but it just doesn't feel right to destroy something with any historical purpose - even if we do just store them in a dusty warehouse.
Who ever thinks a wall will keep Mexicans out is f*@king stupid. that wall is a waist of money that can be used on something like meals on wheels but ppl are too f*@king stupid and letting them selves be manipulated by a racist monster. Smh
diego Vicencio Okay, let's start tearing down statues of sitting bull. The reason they don't want them gone is because they value their image. They're an icon of a distinct culture in America that they don't want gone. But losers don't get statues, right?
Why not respect and honor the Black Americans who had to put up with all that slavery nonsense for so long? There were literally millions of slaves, way more than Confederate Soldiers. Certainly more than there were Robert E. Leeses. All things being fair and proportionate there should be a few thousand monuments dedicated to American slaves to remind us of the horrors of that time for every one Confederate statue trying to convince us of how great those guys were. All these people so concerned about "preserving history" seem to be real quick about sweeping the death and enslavement of millions upon millions of human beings right under the rug. No need to dwell on THAT part of the past, I suppose.
TheZoneRanger history doesn’t disappear because you take down some statues of disgusting people of the past 🤦🏾♂️ books, museums and education still exist you know? 🙄
If anyone is confused about American history, look at this way: After Germany lost WWII every German born thereafter was made brutally aware TO THIS DAY that their country supported a cause that was very much so wrong. America never had that, ever. Not just when the south lost the civil war, but also when all of America lost the Vietnam war, and even now as we have zero forward progress or resolution in our 20 year middle east wars, no one, no group of Americans ever were told they were wrong. EVEN IN OUR AMERICAN CIVIL WAR, where fucking half the country fought the other half the South pretty much got off scot-free. Just research "reconstruction" and Andrew Johnson's Presidency. Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee both died free men shortly after the Civil War, so much so that I PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE who graduated from Davis Elementary School and Robert E. Lee High School less than 30 years ago. While all the newly "free" black enslaved Americans were trampled upon by Jim Crow laws. You can trace that shit allll the way to now, if you ever wonder why Trump is so popular in America, Americans have never once been taught a significant historical lesson. We mostly won wars (if you were white) and even if you lost civil wars (if you were white) no real punishment. Now we are here. We fucking earned whatever shit is on the way. One day, mark my words, Karma is gonna fucking fuck us up big time. I pray I can raise my children in a time of peace, but knowing history, oh lord do I doubt it.
The old adage that you learn more from failure than success is true. The big losers of WW2, Germany, Japan and Italy have all progressed to be fairly progressive and liberal countries (certainly in comparison to what they were and what the victors have gone on to become), whilst the winners went on with new found confidence in their ideals and have became regressive international bully-boys. By which I primarily mean the US and Russia/Soviet Union. The UK and France both had their economies shattered by the war and underwent change as well, theirs was a pyrrhic victory that they also seemed to learn from to some extent.
@Nilly Sigger You're speaking out of your ass. Enough Americans died for you to know your fucking history. Nobody gave up. It was an unwinnable battle. The president and Pentagon got a lot of kids into a fight they couldn't win because Korea went ok. 60K+died maybe a handful to drugs, tens of thousands to military incompetence. Don't talk like you were there or you know anything. You fucking don't.
@Nilly Sigger Nixon and Johnson both said on recorded tapes that war in Vietnam was unwinnable. You can RU-vid both . And hey heads up, when you enter a war over territory , and then you leave, and your opponent takes complete control of that territory that you sought to hold and protect, and you used to control, that's called losing a war. You're clearly racist user name can fuck off. You're no American, just a fucking racist asshole, who never served, never saw combat, never did jack shit for his country but has a lot of opinions on who belongs and who does not. Fuck your racism, and fuck you. You're a shitty person.
@Nilly Sigger Any combat veteran that had to fight over hills or spots or lines or dirt fucking knows that. You have no idea. Also you're clearly racist user name can go to hell. You're no American, just a fucking racist asshole
There’s a WHOLE underground movement within the ‘science community’. Just bring up Neanderthal in any RU-vid video and you’ll quickly learn just how deep that rabbit hole goes.
The guy might be a disgusting racist, but he has his facts mostly right. The Recent Out of Africa Origin theory postulates that a small population of anatomically modern humans migrated out of Africa between 100 to 80 thousand years ago. That small population gave rise to all other non-african populations. These early populations in turn interbred to various degrees with other human species, like the Neanderthals and Denisovans, as they spread into the Middle East, Europe, Asia, and eventually the Americas. As a result of the founder effect on the small population that left Africa, Africa has more genetic, cultural, and linguist variety than the rest of the world put together, despite what outward skin color might show. While ancient human populations did remain relatively isolated for thousands of years until the Late Neolithic/Bronze Age (7,000-5,000 years ago) when there was more migrations and movement of people, specially in the Middle East, North Africa, and Europe, what the racist guys says next is plain wrong. You can't "reverse" evolution. Even if human populations have been geographically separated (not anymore since the last 500 years) for thousands of years, it's is nothing in the geological and species timeframes. We are one species, period.
Jim: "Why protect these monuments?" Ronald: "Why destroy the monuments?" When you answer a question with another question, you know your argument is flawed in someway
@Leonard Erasmus because the Confederate States of America don't fucking exist. The United States of America does. Losers don't get to write history. Sorry
@@malcolmboy21 YES! I have seen very few people acknowledge the fact that the confederates LOST! I love all the people proud of their heritage that lost! And apparently their also proud of their heritage that existed for less than 5 years! Unless your ancestors were born between 1861 and 1865, your heritage is completely American
@@DMSDrummer you know what else it dont matter if they call themselves Confederates. They were still Americans. I'm all for the museums and knowledge but I don't care to see it in the public. You lost. Nobody cares about losers. America loves winners.
@@malcolmboy21 Absolutely! This is exactly why we see Nazi artifacts in history museums everywhere, but no Hitler statues. They were the losers. I fully agree with you. I love history, I would gladly go to a museum to learn about the civil war, maybe see a confederate soldier's jacket, etc, but nobody needs to see a statue of Robert E. Lee.
Disclaimer: if you're not going to read this whole thing or going to post something not constructive just get over it and move on with your life. Oh my god, the amount of blame slinging in this comment section. Yes Africans sold their own people into slavery but that doesn't change the fact the south tried to secede in order to keep their right to own people (it was also fought over trade issues and other factors but to ignore the role slavery played is just ignorant, even the racist admitted it). Yes, democrats were the party of racists for a long time. Yes, the North still didn't count black people as fully human. Yes, Lincoln once thought a good option would be to send the black people back to Africa. But that doesn't change the fact that people today are worshipping confederates as if they didn't think it was their right to own a human being. The man in this video who wants change to the Stonewall monument wasn't saying the answer was to destroy the wall, he said it needs to be changed to reflect the true nature of the reality of the antebellum South for a good portion of the population at that time. And don't say this is some special history preserving since most of these monuments were put up well after the war to specifically celebrate white pride. This whole debate is stupid, we have to acknowledge the failures of our history and our leaders in order to learn from their mistakes. Not worship them while ignoring their failings, that's what a totalitarian regime does. God, I'll admit both sides are divisive but reading through the comments, it's mostly people defending old southern racists by blaming other groups for doing bad things. Just a rant because I'm tired of this stupid debate. If you made it this far, have a cookie and nice day.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, EVERYONE PROTECTS THEIR INTERESTS AND NO ONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. not really. Its one thing to be a hypocrite and another to not know that you are one. The left has gone to far to take away all basic freedoms , such as freedom of speech and the right to make a frigging joke without everyone jumping on you. men in America are second class citizens and its all ultra feminists rights and no one is calling out this bullshit! again..its organized people protecting their own interests. Now the right, WELL.. with all this " if you work hard you can do anything bullshit "has fooled half the country. people are homeless, uninsured and jobs are scarce. free education is not that hard , ( LOOK AT THE GLOBE) raising minimum wage a necessity for people to afford paying the rent. CAN YOU REALLY BE A PRODUCTIVE CITIZEN WITHOUT HEALTH INSURANCE, NO EDUCATION AND MAKING 200 A WEEK AFTER A LONG HARD WEEK OF WORK. RENT ALONE IS 1400 A MONTH IN NJ. AND 3000 IN NYC. So its another way to control people. a different kind of slavery. Are there a few lucky ones that escape the trap? yes. but most of America is blinded . fake patriotism.. if people cared about each other , they would look out for their neighbor too. but no. we ARE TOO DAM SELFSIH AS A NATION AND AS INDIVIDUALS. Now Im not a genius, but I do know that may be 40% of the population knows that what im saying is true. on both ends republicans suck and democrats suck for different reasons. But they also know that THERES NOT A GOD DAM THING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. AND THATS THE TRUTH. PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS try to controll and enslave other people. its all about the money. yes ..but so very unfortunate and sad for those at the bottom. Now while i ranted about the right ..i also have come to realize that political correctness is ruined this country and crippled it. THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS CRUCIAL TO OUR SURVIVAL AS A PEOPLE. LASTLY, men and women and both EQUALLY human and so are rich and poor. If Jesus came back, the media would vilify and persecute Him again. He would be crucified again because you wouldnt like his views . He was a radical. the type of radical we need more of in this world. martin luther king , nelson mandela, john lennon, john f kennedy. GANDHI... if you dont see it this way , its because it doesn't affect you. but every person will one day meet his maker. in this life or the next. hopefully. we have to stop being so self centered , so arrogant and so selfish. I wish I was more optimistic, but i am afraid we are doomed . we have gotten worse in the last 20 years . waaaay worse. its just more subtle. PEACE.
Hah hah. "The left has gone to far to take away all basic freedoms , such as freedom of speech and the right to make a frigging joke without everyone jumping on you." You want to have the freedom to make inappropriate jokes, but want people to not exercise that freedom in your direction so you can have an uninterrupted laugh at another's expense.
Chandra Wagner where do we draw the line? The "North" allowed slaves after thr civil war so it wasn't about slavery. Yes the south was full of racists. But the whole country was racists, the Native America genocide was still going on. We would have to wipe history of every American President before Clinton to get to a non sexist, racist, anti gay, President. Hell the American government still runs reservations for Indians that cant sell their land, profit from natural resources on their land, or make their own Laws that are not with in the confines of the US constitution. So we cant really have any history of Presidents, Senators, Congressmen exc to this day. Because we are still doing wrong, also everyone for gets Americas concetration camp for anyone who looked Japanese in the 40s, i can go on for days Anyone who has rised to power has done things wrong or else they wouldnt be in their position end of story.
David Danielson I get your point. It's difficult to say where to draw the line but, in my opinion just putting an explanation plaque up that explains what they did good and bad and why they are memorialized in statue while acknowledging what they did is good enough. I know that's not enough for some people, but it seems like a good middle ground. However, a lot of these statues were purposely put up to antagonize black people during the civil rights movement and if we aren't going to take those down we at least need to acknowledge the real reason they are up.
He asks him about black people being kept as slaves, and his response is that "oppressed" is kind of an overused word? WTF?! If the word oppressed doesn't apply to people being held captive as slaves, what the fuck does it apply to?
william francis what other reasons were as prominent as slavery? What other reasons were prominent enough for some of the southern states to specifically state slavery in their articles of secession?
Srithor, that reads like sarcasm, but if you read the various states' articles of succession, you'll see that it really was in this case. And every argument (as william francis states) stemmed from those states' attempts to protect that institution. The only other reason that any state gave was from Texas and that was a dispute with the federal government over reimbursement for securing the Southern border. (The more things change, eh?)
Well, technically it was the economy. Slaves weren't viewed as people, but more like farming equipment. In the South's mind, the North was basically trying to limit the amount of tractors farmers could have and on top of that giving the tractors the right to a partial vote. By disallowing the amount of tractors the South could have the economy of the South would have been damaged severely. That was the mindset, and why so many Southerners will try to defend the Civil War. Slavery was a major driving force of the economy, thus those that say it was the economy think slaves were nothing more than tractors
There was also States' Rights... to maintain slavery. Also, citizen's were upset about the government taking away their property... particularly slaves. Turns out you're right... it was about slavery.
@@apotbos It's not an accurate depiction of history. Plus, those monuments are not about preserving history, but about glorifying those figures who fought to keep the black man down. It glorifies their cause.
@thomas riner I almost didn't dignify your moronic comment with a reply, but I'm bored so whatever. The 10th Amendment to the US Constitution provides: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." So notwithstanding federal preemption, the States had rights under the Constitution then and now... The southern confederacy lost, stop clinging to a sunken ship and join everyone in the present day.
@@narednikmajka2403 Not always, although its been said history is written by the victors. Even so, the governing parties of the Confederacy, Davis and others, had swore an oath to the US Constitution. They broke that oath and seceded from the United States. Sorry, violation of that oath to wage war is treason. Was then and is now.
Just go around and weld two giant metal ribbons on each one: a silvery one that says "CIVIL WAR - 2nd Place" and a golden one that says "TREASON - 1st Place."
Sure, the war was about "independence" but the reason the Confederacy wanted independence was because they were about to lose their free labor. So yes the war was fought over slavery.
I find it encouraging that folks from other countries have such a sharp and concise view of US history. Being from somewhere else, helps to put aside all the static and jingoism, and allows a clearer perspective. Both Jeffries, and John Oliver's respective birth homes have egregious civil rights histories as well, and they are not afraid to reference them. Bravo.
Couldn't agree more. I like the other hosts from the Daily Show a lot; Trevor Noah, John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, Samantha Bee, they all have their moments when they come close to living up to the legend that is Jon Stewart. However, Jim Jefferies shows potential to overtake them all because of his show format and his ability to critique both sides of the aisle on different issues they have. I'm liking what I'm seeing so far.
I used to be for preservation because I believe history must be preserved. But after hearing how well spoken and sincere the NAACP spokesman was, versus the two hicks trying to sidestep around the fact that slavery was a huge part of the war, I say tear them down and make the South pay for it all. Make the South Great Again. Lol
"If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong. I cannot remember a time I did not so think and feel" - Lincoln. Lincoln was clear in private that he was ONLY interested in freeing the slaves, he only said otherwise in speeches because EVERYONE else in that era was evil and liked slavery, even in the north, he had to pretend otherwise to get it done, THAT is a great man and politician. Read some actual accounts of what he said to people in private, and also read A Team of Rivals.
Wisconsin never liked slavery , they btw refused to register the fugitive slave act , so the county sherrifs had no law , the bounty hunters got forstalled , the black s got left alone.
No one should think that these statues were meant to be somber postbellum reminders of a brutal war. They were built much later, and most of them were explicitly created to accompany organized and violent efforts to subdue blacks and maintain white supremacy in the South. I wouldn’t be surprised if even a lot of Southerners don’t really understand this, but they should learn. There’s a reason blacks consider these statues to be symbols of bigotry and terror. It’s because they are. - Kevin Drum (mother Jones)
Where’s the statue of confederate President Jefferson Davis running with his wife’s clothing on (dressed as a woman running away) now why a ship goes down the captain goes down with it not run from it
I'm getting so tired of hearing this ridiculous line "it wasn't about slavery, it was about states' rights." It was the states' rights to have slavery that was in contention. It was about both.
I must say Jim this segment was very well done. Not saying that I think you would have sucked at it but that it was a well done choice of focus. You we a very adequate neutral party for the ones interviewed.
Actually, he seems hugely biased when you look at how he acts towards every of his speakers. He doesn't try to conceal his emotions, even worse, he boosts them and imidiately shows what his point of view is to make them seem either stupid or intelligent. There was not a single neutral thing, just look at how he reacts to what's being said.
Those are not good reasons. If he wanted to show that those people are wrong in doing what they do, he should have stayed above them in terms of bias and opinion enforcing. When the plot has a clear protagonist who is charismatic, he should stay actually neutral instead of doing the theatrical brow raising at every point that in the script is marked as "bad/wrong". It makes this video look like a propaganda instead of an ignorance showcase. It is the same as arguing in the internet: you will hardly make the opponent change his opinion, but if only one of you will call the other a "12yo" and refrain from referring to a lot of true actual facts, every other person watching the conversation who does not have the similarly rigid point of view will almost definitely take the side of the one who seems more intelligent/correct(not as in "right") On subject: I do think that that monument should be somehow fixed and that Civil War was about slavery to a very significant extent. Cannot be too sure or anything, since I am not remotely american. But I just really hated the way Jim acted in this particular piece, check above as to why.
I'm sorry we don't need monuments to people who where willing to die for there right to hold another human being as a slave if you disagree with that you are a criminal and should be in jail
randy zakem alot where drafted or angry about how the union treated the southerners in situations like shermans march (a late war reference) but most of the early confederates did fight for slavery. And some people like robert e lee only fought to protect their home
randy zakem That's why those aren't built anymore... The point is that distroying them isn't going to change anything. If anything it's going to make people forget...
TheDerpingDutchman You don't have to destroy them put them in the museums or whatever but at least put plaques on them that State that they are criminals not heroes you definitely have to take it off all the buildings especially the schools I don't think kids should have to go to Robert E Lee high school !
randy zakem We don't have to say either ... Just describe who they were, what they fought for and what they were responsible for. Don't put them in museums. That would be a mistake since most people wouldn't go out to see them. Let me ask you this: Should germany destroy their old concentration camps because it's offensive to everyone who had familymembers who died there? Should the Netherlands destroy their models of 17th century ships because they were trading slaves? It's ridiculous to destroy or remove monuments because some people can't handle history and get offended.
The monument shouldn’t be celebrated nor should it be taken down, it’s purpose should be to remind us of our past mistakes, destroying it would kill that purpose.
