Neuvilette says sorry for "overruling it" because he's supposed to just act as a "judge" to humanities' trials, but he is overrulling (a court term that depicts an act where the judge denies an objection that an attorney raises) something that is destined (the prophecy itself that has a divine power behind it) to happen. And I say judge with quotation marks because his rulling during trials means nothing in the end, as the Oratrice always has the final decision. He acts more of a regulator, and he isn't supposed to overrule the final decision of the gods, hence why he's apologizing
I agree. I think Neuvillette say sorry for overruling it because he as successor of primordial dragon sovereign of water understand the underlying things behind prophecy and the importance of it. Prophecy is like punishment from other divine or primordial being. He ask for forgiveness for interefering in other divine or primordial judgement.
I saw a theory on the lore subreddit that I think people here might find interesting. You know how we have always assumed that the Travelers abilities are meant to be a sort of preview or 'lite' version of the archon of that element? But now in Fontaine we see that it's actually extremely close to the element's Sovereign instead. In fact hydro Traveler's kit is way closer to Neuvilette than any othe the other elements are to those archons. This deepens the connection of the Traveler to the light realm and element, since that is where the sovereigns originally came from.
I mean yeah you’re semi right since Dvalin created tornadoes, Apep in the boss fight creates a Dendro field and Azhdaha stomps and sends a quake of geo so the traveller also shooting out water makes it all the more apparent. The only exclusion to this rule set is electro so far
I've been thinking about this for a while but because of the confusion with the timelines, I keep on telling myself the idea is absurd but here it is anyway. Whenever we touch a statue of the seven for the first time, we gain its corresponding elemental powers. So at first we assume that the gods are granting us their power because paimon says so. But what if its the other way around? What if we are simply retrieving what was ours in the first place? I'm still confused of when things happened but. What if the scene at the opening where our twin was taken away and our powers got "sealed". What if that was the time phanes harvested something from us and used it to create the gnosis?
@@hyldrklein451 it is confirmed in dialogue by the traveler that we are slowly regaining our original powers as we collect all the elements, so that part is fact. The question is just as you said, why did we have power that seemingly worked just like the elements of we aren't from Teyvat? In the same way it's weird how we seem to instinctually be able to use the waypoints even if nobody in Teyvat know what they are, and waypoints use the ley lines. The same ley lines that are the roots of Irminsul, which we are able to connect with unusually easily. I highly recommend Ashikai's videos if you want to hear more theories, specifically her "Project Teyvat" focuses on the Traveler and their connections to the world.
@@hyldrklein451this makes so much fucking sense. i created an alt account these days and her name was/she said ahe was the Defender of Heavenly Principles, and i thought she was only referenced as Unknown God... that makes so much sense u blew my mind
Well i think bc in the end furina wont be an actual archon neu will be in her drip marketing we even dont see the element emblem in the background all archom before has it and neu say the archon must dead and give the right to the element for him to regain full dragonhood i think indicate that he will be the real archon after real focalors somehow death in the story but to celestia an teyvat furina still is the archon
I just thought that when Neuvillette meant status quo, he was talking about how Dragon Sovereigns were no longer in power. By reclaiming that power, he would “make an enemy of the divine”, or in this case, Celestia. From what we know about Furina, she would not want that to happen.
True, that's very likely! I guess based on Neuvillette's final ascension line I thought it doesn't sound like he'd be too afraid of making enemies of them... unless he's truly respecting that Furina wouldn't want that, but ahhh brain ouchie thinking of all the ways that could go
That, or he knows it would throw Fontaine into chaos without an archon. Especially with the prophecy looming overhead. Useless as she currently is, she's a distraction for her people.
@@chrisanonym3473 Yeah. My thought is that maybe giving the authority of Hydro back to Neuvillette isn't as simple as just handing him the Gnosis, and that instead, you would have to break it open to let the power trapped within naturally return to its rightful owner. And Nahida told Dottore that breaking a Gnosis would almost certainly rouse the Heavenly Principles. And this would even explain why. Because it means one of their old enemies has their full power back, and is a threat again.
Here's another crack theory, what if Tsaritsa is collecting all the gnosis to return the dragonhood back to the sovereigns so they can rebel against the throne with the original rulers of Teyvat? Considering how Piero says "I swear Rosaline, your resting place will be the old world."
The problem is that, that's already failed before and not only that but they had a prime moment to do this in Sumeru with Apep and instead opted to take it to Snezhnaya. If I am playing devil's advocate with myself it could be because of Apep's condition and the amount of energy it takes but idk. .
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks It's entirely possible there wasn't a plan made for a HUMAN, specifically one "gifted" by the Heavenly Principles wielding not one, but all of the Gnosises. The key to stopping Celestia is to have something IMMUNE to foreign knowledge or at the very least resistant to it. Since the gnosises have power from the dragons and celestia, it's likely the erosion resistance is higher. The Abyssal twin (and well, the whole abyss) are already immune so they seek primarily to handle the archons the best they can knowing their power, while the Tsaritsa seems (at worst with Venti) mostly slightly annoyed about the other rulers, while at best (Zhongli) quite cordial and friendly. The fact that the horribly dysfunctional harbingers even acquire them is mostly to the other rulers just not caring about the power (likely due to what they saw in khaenri'ah shaking their faith.) Of course, I don't think it will work, the traveler on their own has high enough resistance to whatever BS the sustainer has that they weren't even physically injured, their powers simply sealed and easily reclaimable. The sibling will likely be the final boss by my reckoning, recreating the war in khaenri'ah, but this time, with a happier ending, possibly even ending in a lifting of the curse.
I don't think so. Given Tsaritsa's main goal is to overthrow the Heavenly Principles, her goal may imply the return of strength to the dragons with Gnosis.
@@Lynxelthe gnosis is originally the dragon sovereigns power to begin with, it was taken from them by the primordial one, and then by celestia and given to the archons to give them authority over the elements
“Symphony connected to the Fundamental Power” thing reminded me of how Rukkhadevata created the Ashvattha Tree by singing. Aranaras also mentioned the Sourcesong, which suspiciously called as “the source of all great rivers”. It seems music really has some kind of power in Teyvat.
Also remember when Dottore knocked Traveler and Paimon unconscious by playing a note after purifying Irminsul? That man may have possibly relearnt some of the techniques that Remus used to control his civilisation
'music really has some kind of power in teyvat' symphonies (and much of music as a whole) are orchestrated/organized, much like the foretold prophecy, and a stage play being set up and scripted (if you think about fontaine and its penchant for theatrics, plus the harbingers are named after commedia dell'arte characters, arlecchino/harlequin/knave is the more recognizable character within them) with the traveller being the 'external factor' in all of this, one can only wonder how else they're going to affect the 'orchestration' of fontaine's (and teyvat's) fate with their 'improvisation' (think back to the 'questions' route of kaeya's hangout event) and i have a big feeling that monsdtadt (being the land of song and freedom) and very likely venti himself will be very important much later on
@@hyyh2015 At this point, I don't doubt that Venti is gonna have a major role in the future. Just the fact that he still doesn't have his chapter 2 after 3 years despite being the first archon introduced. I also remember this line from his quest years ago. Something about, as long as there is wind, the anemo archon can reach you.
the reason neuvilette is unwilling to destory the gnosis is simple... celestia will never approve of it. it not about having the gnosis, it about restoring the power to it original form. nahida bluff that the heavenly principle will intervene may just happen. is that something the dragons would like to test?
what's funny is I accidentally ran across all these green crystals while exploring and then accidentally figured out what I'm supposed to do with it... then I go online and see that it was kind of a big deal...lol
My speculation is that the Furina we are presented with at the current junction is not the "complete" version of Furina. To this end, I speculate that whatever is being trapped behind the sluice gate is where another portion, perhaps other half of Furina is being imprisoned or held back. I think this was done deliberately, because this side of Furina is probably a wrathful judge, and her judgment for the "sin" of the Fontinians is annihilation (focalors is known in mythology to "overturn ships of war," and drown men, which may allude to the "sin" we aren't yet privy to). The side of Furina we see is her merciful aspect, and may not have complete knowledge of the function of events being played out. Nuvi is her stand in as a result of him disagreeing with the death penalty. He acts as the high judge because Furina can't in her current state (I really do believe he cares for Furina- the dragons have been shown to have pretty deep relationships with their respective archons as seen with Dvalin and Azhdaha). I think our purpose in this situation as the traveler is to reconcile Furina's two halves, and resolve the hatred held by the darker half, thus saving Furina, as well as the people of Fontaine. This is speculation based off of Furina's drip marketing where she appears to have two color schemes, the existence of opposing energies pneuma and ousia, and the name of the glider we are awarded with upon reaching max level reputation in Fontaine. Also as mentioned above, the real world mythological description of Focalors.
I wonder why Arlecchino decided to shift her gaze towards the secret in Meropide making a guess that Wriothesly was hiding the gnosis there instead of continuing her investigation on the Oratrice like she was assuming at the beginning that the gnosis was the oratrices core? how sure could she be that the Oratrice is not where the gnosis really is. Also maybe the abyssal whale friend of Childe is another sibling of Elynas and Durin, so perhaps its a way of continuation for what's going on in the abyss.
What I understand -Mr. Handcuff (simp) -Worcester -Wriock Astley -Wrigley -Rizz-slay -Wario -Keep the tea industry alive -Furina is sus -Neuvillette is sus -Arlecchino is surprisingly not that sus -CYAN -Childe...Please...Never go to vacation ever again like what the fuck
Primal, unaligned energy has a will of its own, in other words, it contains the souls/consciousness of the dead, and if that energy is purified it becomes golden and it's the type of energy the Twins used when fighting the Sustainer. But, if I'm not mistaken, Abyssal energy also contains souls, and when purified it becomes Primal energy, right? Also, I'm not sure if this counts as a spoiler since it's already in the game, so proceed with caution - Neuvillette has a voice-line at ascension 6 where he says: "Now that I have reclaimed one of the Seven Authorities from the hands of the usurpers, I have regained my true form. I am now a fully fledged dragon, powerful enough to judge the rest of the gods. My final destiny is to judge the Usurper-King in the heavens above. But until that time comes, I will lend my power to you." So he will definitely get the fully-powered Gnosis and then he'll be waiting for us to get to Celestia, that looks like pretty big spoiler to me, the implications are huge. About Childe's whale, I think it might be an abyssal creature, like Elynas, that found the Primordial Water that ended up in the Abyss and it's using its power to enter the Light realm.
@@plushycatt I think it's Chaotic Primal Energy, as opposed to the Ordered Primal Energy that permeates and enables life in the Light Realm. The Abyssal Realm is Chaos and the Light realm is Order, they are opposing forces.
I can't be the only one who thinks that whale looks a little reminiscent of a consecrated beast but it could also have something to do with the Fontemer Abhorrent's.
I think the Abyssal Whale has the gnosis. The previous hydro archon was killed by something related to the Abyss. Then an abyssal whale gets teased a lot. What if Furina never received the gnosis because this abyssal whale related somehow to the previous hydro archon has it?
Well although everyone says that Egeria's soul is in the Gaokerena the Oceanids who first go on a pilgrimage to find her remains are said to have gone away disappointed. So maybe dead Egeria ended up elsewhere. @@roozeveltfox
Well some people have pointed out the biblical similarities with Fontaine's themes of 'original sin' and a big flood, with your theory you could argue it parallels Jonah and the whale. And at the end of that story Jonah is only saved after asking God for forgiveness... don't know what all that means if we're on the right track, but a super interesting theory what with the themes of judgement and etcetera currently going on in the prophecy.
I really don't think Furina is an oceanid, since using elemental sight does not show her as a being of pure hydro, instead she's just blank like everyone else.
you are either an oracle or the most amazing detective on earth. i came by your channel just this last week, and it's FASCINATING to watch how absolutely correct you were about almost 100% of the things you said in this video, all while calling it wild speculation. makes me incredibly excited about your speculations that haven't panned out yet in game.
aw shucks thanks 😭 there are plenty of things I get wrong, I think (and mayhaps way more often than correct!), but I can't get them right if I don't throw them out there! Thanks for watching!! and pls be kind the further back you go because I'm STILL trying to hit my stride as a genshin lore cc, so some older videos may lack some quality...! 😂
My crack theory is that Furina is missing key memories and that she intends to sacrifice herself and have Neuvillette replace her as the Hydro Archon. It's even stated that he is the symbol of Fontaine's justice and I'm wondering if that was her intention in the first place. I wonder if Furina is undergoing a kind of artificial erosion...
Don't forget! Indemnity~ means insurance or back-up plan. Indemnitium was likely named such because it was part of the plan all along. What could OG Oratrice Furina be planning?!
My 5 cents on the whole situation. So there is the chess theory, Whalemilk I believe had a great explanation video on it, and if we follow the irl chess matches that occured (all the previous nations outcomes fit like a glove, even the 2 gnoses....gnosis....gnosises...ugh...in Sumeru), Fontaine is supposed to end in a "draw". As in, no side gets the gnosis. Way back then, before Fontaine was as much as teased beyond the travail, I thought that something will happen to the hydro gnosis, it might either be destroyed, which is possible, as hinted by Nahida, or taken by a 3rd party, that is neither Fatui nor Celestia-aligned. It makes me think that when Neuvilette said that the hydro archon has to disappear, he meant just that. Not just give away gnosis, the whole celestia-tied concept of a hydro archon existing with the borrowed power has to cease to exist. Maybe we will see the gnosis drained of the borrowed power, power freed in a way. Am I making sense? Well at least it makes sense in my head 😅
I'd like to see that Furina's plan all along was to renounce her archon status and concede the Elementa energy back to Neuvillette to stop the prophecy. First though, he needed to understand humanity better so he didn't wind up like Apep.
This would honestly be so cool, and also Neuvilette would probably disagree with her approach, as he emphasizes that he often does 😃He is also very protective of her. Whatever it is they are doing with the oratrice, they are in this together. No way the chief justice is clueless, its us who are being kept in the dark@@GLoLChibs
I wonder if the goal is to restore or transform Neuvillette back to true Sovereignhood. In Nahida Chapter 2 Nur's parent said A huge amount of power equal to what is required to break the boundaries of time is needed to facilitate 'growth' or transformation. These are all beings borne of Apep so maybe it applies to Neuvillette as well. So perhaps this is why the Oratrice is generating and storing huge amounts of energy.
I had mentioned that point from Nahida SQ2 in a recent video for another topic, and that would have been SUCH a good angle to include in this one!! Can't believe I forgot it, thanks for reminding me.
The music-seelie-primordial connection is heavily reminding me of Columbina/Damselette and her Weeping dove/Songstress/Seraphim design elements! People have also noted that her design had a lot of connection with seelies, and I wonder how her power is connected to music and primordial energy, etc.
this was so good! i really think youre onto something with the indemnitium and neuvillette having a connection. i also think its interesting that indemnity doesnt just mean "security against damage, loss, or injury" (like security against the prophecy" but that it can also mean "compensation for loss, damage, or injury sustained" in the sense of restoring neuvi's authority! lots of good cooking going on
I've had this theory that Teyvat been through six samsaras and we are currently on the seventh based on the number of constellations aka Stella Fortunas. This Fortuna concept from the notes is really starting to make this theory less crack.
the world ending and restarting multiple times also fits in nicely with natlan because in Aztec myth everyone dying and then the sun being replaced along with all the humans is kinda a big deal (however i think we were on the fifth or sixths sun as opposed to the seventh)
The Archon has to disappear because, as Venti says in the beginning, Gnoses aren't the source of the power of an Archon, just its amplifier ("a catalyst of sort, but not as rudimental as Visions" in his words). He also tells us that whoever is an allogene, whatever that is, can strive to godhood regardless of who they are. We know that allogenes are not a race, and the "allogene" isn't genetical as the name would imply (maily cause Diluc has a Vision and Crepus didn't, same goes for Kaeya, he has a Vision but no other Khaenri'ahn can have it). He also tells us that the purpose of Gnoses is to catalyse the devotion of the faithful believers, so, the devotion the people of Teyvat have in the Heavenly Principles. That is why we can play the Archons even when they don't have the Gnoses, because Gnoses aren't linked to the elemental energy, but to the power of faith (which is basically what Indemnitum is made of, am I right?). This means that as long as Furina is alive, the piece of pure Hydro Energy that she has within her, and that most likely generated her (which would make her an Oceanid, I guess?) would still be kept within her and can't be given back to the Hydro Dragon. At the same time, the Gnosis amplifies her power, and that means that there must be a mechanism in the Gnosis that generates the pure energy (the Khvarena, as opposed to the abyssal energy) that we know can interact with elemental power (just like abyssal energy can) and I think it can also take its shape, therefore amplifiying the elemental power. All this possibly means that separating the original Hydro elemental power from the now modified Hydro Khvarena is probably impossible, therefore for Neuvillette to gain back his original power, both the Archon and the Gnosis would have to disappear... or maybe, create as much indemnitum as necessary to "amplify" his powers too, so that they can restore the Hydro Dragon's original power, basically building a "fake Gnosis" or even a legit one, that can resonate with Neuvillette.
It's important to remember that Arlecchino already confirmed that Furina doesn't have the gnosis when she talked to the traveller at the end of Act 4, and also assumes that Furina may not even be the real Archon at all
Just wondering if traveler's abilities are similar to the dragons and not to the archons as many people thought in the beginning. Take neuvillette and apep boss as an example. Neuvillette CA to traveler's E and apep's second phase where he summons that big fruit similar to dendro traveler's burst
It is true, archons are gods who received the gifts of the elements, that’s why there’s the god of liberty, contracts, eternity wisdom, justice, war and love. Since the traveler is resonating with the elements that are part of dragonhood I can only make sense.
I feel like this theory (especially the part regarding the Seelie race) implicates Venti’s role as a more important character EVEN FURTHER! It makes sense, similarly to Nahida, that he contains stories through song (rather than fables) as oral storytelling may prove more significant, as with the lyre we’re given in Sumeru - it GIVES us access to sealed areas once the code of a song is entered. If Archon’s truly do derive their strength from the faith of their nation, then it follows that sound (the precedent to words) possesses power and that is adjacent to the concept of light and perception. Rene Descartes which I assume Rene’s character is based off of - has a world formula conceived around sensory perception - and in using skepticism to challenge our perception of the senses/physical - we can come to know reality and true knowledge through this method. I know the provided information above is quite chaotic in terms of connection, but it was moreso me just word vomiting after you provoked the thought LOL. Great stuff, keep it up!
I think Furina is using the gnosis to power the Oractrice. We have not seen the Hydro Gnosis yet and Furina seems very reluctant to talk about it at all. It is also clear that Furina is hideing her true personality seen when Arlecchino accuses her of not caring about Fontaine. She says a " a being like yourself" This implies that Arlecchino is not human, and also that Furina know's what Arlecchino really is. She basically says that Arlecchino lacks the authority to understand it sounds a lot like Heavenly Princples to me. I think Celestia will come into play in Fontaine. Furina seems to believe that through Neuvilette the Hydro Dragon can the prophecy be stopped. It is likely that Neuvilette lost his memories because what they did to him is not something he will forgive, Furina hopes that establishing a connection with the people of Fontaine will make him want to stay as its protector.
About arlecchino do you think she is a hilichurl or have some connection to being a one? cuz in one quest we meet a boy who have the same hands as her which revealed later that he is a hilichurl
@@b_kk123 I think she is an abyssal golem from Reumuria I think she is much older than she pretends. Reumuria was the civilization were Egeria was fighting for Fontaines survival. This would explain why Arlecchino is so frustrated with the current hydro archon. I don't think its just arlecchinos hands that are black I think her entire body is. I don't think she is from Khaenri'ah the Hillichurls are Khaenriahns. It is however possible that they experimented with the same substance more than likely Primordial water. Previously I thought she was one of the children from the Narzissenkreuz I dont think so I think she is even older than that.
to be fair when furina made the ‘being like yourself’ comment i took that as her looking down on what mortals are capable of comprehending because furina is a god she sees herself as naturally above everyone who isn’t a god. because the knave responds with a bit of a sarcastic remark (paraphrasing but) the knave says something like ‘the answers always lie beyond prying mortal eyes’. while her shoulders make it look like she’s chuckling. i personally think furina has a plan but because of the bravado she constantly has and the attitude of nonchalance it makes it look like she doesn’t give a fuck about the prophecy and so that attitude of confidence bites her on the ass when no one gives her sympathy or leniency. from arlecchinos perspective furina is an uncaring and unbothered archon with no plan in place to save her nation or people. i think if furina was a bit more vulnerable while talking about the prophecy a lot more leniency would be given to her
@@er_cl That is of course possible but Arlecchinos hands does not look human at all and she is very careful covering up the rest of her body. "A being like yourself" sounds like something other than human to me if Furina knows what Arlecchino is could explain why she is so frightened around her. Yes she is bothered by how Furina is acting, but what if she was there with Egeria and Egeria made some kind of sacrifice for Furina to exist.
what if when neuvillette says the hydro archon would have to "disappear" he doesn't mean physically, but actually in people's memories. Furina would have to be wiped from irminsul as the hydro archon and also give the gnosis back/destroy it? that would actually kinda make me sad if so lol
i think childe and the abyss whale are something that’s not largely connected to Fontaine’s prophecy. i think it’s more something to help give context or foreshadow for concepts we’ll hear about later. Much like the DragonSpine tree introducing us to later trees of the world. If it is connected- i’d love to see how they spin it all. but to me it seems like an offshoot that’s meant to either introduce a new World Boss or push the story foreword.
I like to believe that one of the reasons, maybe not only that, furina's gnosis is with the oratrice is because she fears that by becoming the archon she will trigger the prophecy, or at least, by not becoming the "full archon" she can delay it enough so Nuevi can deal with it or herself
I just stumbled onto this video mere hours after thinking up a theory more or less identical to this one. It feels great to be validated. Excellent video!
From what I think of what the story is forming into from what we know so far, is that the whale in Childe's dream is in fact the being that is the collective of the primordial water. I believe the whale is the form of the primordial waters chooses to take when it wants to make contact with someone. I believe that the whale has decided that Fontaine has committed the original sin that Remuria has committed so long ago. That original sin being the subversion of the cycle of life, being that Fontaine's constant experimentation of transcending their humanity, going against the primordial waters will. I believe that the prophecy was created from the survivors of Remuria to not go against the nature of humanity by transcending to unnatural forms. However, the current Fontainian scientists are continuing the research of Remuria that involves transcending their own humanity in other forms like machines/oceanids/hillachurl creatures in the hopes to survive the prophecy/attain immortality. This is the giant misconception about the prophecy. It was to serve as a warning rather than an absolute conclusion for that civilization. When the current day scientists are trying to find viable ways to survive the prophecy, they are in fact fulfilling the prophecy with their experiments. The more experiments that goes against the cycle of life, the whale gets more enraged against Fontaine. This whale, essentially the will of the primordial water sees the Fontanians to be the same as the Remurian committing "the original sin" of transcending their humanity and views them as a threat. Thus, the prophecy of Fontaine's destruction will occur just the same as the Rumurian, most likely from the deluge of primordial water killing Fontaine's population only. Now with Childe, I think he will play an important part in saving Fontaine. Now, remember that Childe's real name is Ajax, and in context to our history, Ajax was a Trojan War hero during Ancient Greece. Now the Remurain civilization seems to bear a strong resemblance to Ancient Greece, with a culture similar to Remuria minus the machines, where they value the arts and warriors. So my theory is that Childe is a descendant of Remuria, and that he was an experimental human that successfully combined both elemental and abyssal energies without any major side effects using both of these powers. Now with his encounter with the whale aka primordial water's consciousness, it spoke to him in a dream since his body in comprise of primordial water itself allowing him to communicate with it. So now with the information that Childe is an experimental human that can use both elemental and abyssal powers, we can remember the side quests involving Mary Ann, Caterpillar, and the robot dog. We know that Fontaine and assuming Remuria were doing very similar experiments to creating alternative life forms that can survive the prophecy in some form or attain a form of immortality. I believe that Childe was the culmination of these experiments back in Remura and survived the prophecy, being lost into the abyss afterwards. One of the core side effects of being a alternative life form is losing memories, the longer you lived, the more of those memories get lost. I am assuming that Childe is hundreds of years old and had stunted growth from the experiments when he first arrived at the abyss. I believe that Childe lost all of his early memories of the life in Remuria/abyss and only had tangible memories when he met his teacher and learned from her. Afterwards, he met with the whale and the primordial waters restored Childe to being a natural human in growth, while mainly retaining his powers. I believe Childe is a human that is mainly composed of primordial water and the whale was able to modify his body to be more of a natural human during their first meeting and grow up properly. Thus, with this connection, he is able to have a sense of the whale's feelings and it affecting him as well during the Archon quest. It also explains why his vision was malfunctioning for him, as the primordial water in his body is affecting his affinity to Hydro. The last bit of evidence is that the court trial ruled that he was the culprit, mainly because of the primordial water found within him that then concluded he must have been an accomplice to that crime. Now, with that theory of Childe being an experimental human, I think that the future story updates will have Childe communicating with the whale and ultimately convince it to not destroy Fontaine. With the Gnosis storing up all that energy, Neuvi will be able to seal up the primordial water that was leaking and the whale will stop the process of completing the prophecy.
Last part makes sense becasue neuvillette says he has a connection with the primordial water but has no idea what?? I thought it's the previous hydro dragons remains or something?? Or curse , something similar.
It's most likely just that the Hydro Sovereign was born in the Primordial Sea, so he would be very attuned to it since he's the sovereign reborn. The one who originally had the highest authority over Hydro and water would naturally feel connected to the "purest" form of water that exists in the world.
@@sakurahirawathat wouldn't be so far off tbh. Neuvillette's constelation is Leviathan and on furina's drip marketing she gets introduced as the idolatress but on the CN translation its closer to Babylon The Great On the bible (specifically on the book of revelations lol), babylon was defeated by "The Beast"(which represents Satan). We can interpret it just like this but its interesting that for the Roman Empire (and I mention roman bc so far fontaine seems to have a lot of references to it) thought babylon was a coded reference to Rome, also babylon the great in general can be interpreted as a place of "evil" not necesarily a person. But I think either way it matches that what's happeninh to fontaine, furina or fontaine in general on danger od possibly being taken out by a "beast", which while you can interpret it as neuvillette, it also matches with the whale that we know comes from the abyss, which fits with satan tbh.
I think this makes a lot of sense actually!!! You pretty much cracked the code for a lot of stuff LOL although there is indeed the thing about the abyss whale and childe missing, but I think the theory is good enough to explain the other parts!!!
Furina is actually trying to amass her power in trying trying to lift the whole Fontaine continent, hence why she is mostly that way more specifically part of her.
This is just food for thought; is the “chaotic space” under the Chasm Bed (below Celestial nail) and it having a consciousness of its own, because Yelan says "Pneuma Surge" during the part where they escape somewhat relevant to this “Primal Energy” ?
someone clarified to me that in the original CN she does'nt use 'pneuma' (or the CN equivalent) BUT I think it's actually still related because Yelan and co. talk about annihilation reactions, but using the term opposing. And also to use the fantastic compass it takes a human and adeptal powers ... and its also all cyan lmao
I agree that restoring Neuvilette's power isnt as simple as returning the gnosis to him, there has to be some other aspect to it. Personal speculation: The gnosis is probably part of that power, but maybe the Archons themselves are directly given some too whether through the gnosis or by celestia or even celestia through the gnosis. Take Venti for example, pre gnosis he was a weak wind spirit, and with the gnosis he could cleave and chuck mountains, but now Venti with no gnosis isn't some ordinary weak wind spirit again, he still has massive amounts of elemental power. This would explain why the Hydro Archon needs to dissappear, as just the gnosis alone wouldn't be able to solve it. The massive indemnitium generated by the Oratrice may be for the purpose of having enough energy to give Neuvilette back that power rather before Celestia can transfer that authority onto the next Archon.
Some notes you may have missed during the analysis of new archon quest act 4... During the meeting or after the meeting arlecchino makes alot more clear hints that the WORD "Focalors" and Furina doesn't really match furina doesn't talk back till The name 'Focalors" is mentioned and how neuvillette and other important people don't call her Focalors but furina i think it's similar to the new twin hydro Slimes The hypostatis is the Egeria while the Furina and Focalors are the healing and healer slime Why i said healing or healer separately? Well because the dark blue slime heals hypostasis directly other heals it from distance that means Focalors Is protecting the memories of Egeria through oratrice and her other self the Furina is putting up an act and distracting so no one gets to disturb her plan to stop the prophecy In this the only plot hole is how neuvillette comes in this case it can be that The MEMORIES of Egeria can be used on dragon's? Or maybe the important memories related to dragons needs to carry the mixture of authorities dragons have this way a true dragonhood can be achieved.
Haha you arrived at the other option re the oratrice's purpose that I did- entirely possible it's stockpiling power for Neuvillette, but I was thinking that it might be another experiment in creating (or re-creating) a god- like how Dottore tried in Sumeru. Cause if Furina didn't make the oratrice, then either Egeria did (in order to come back? And Furina is like a "shell" until then?) orrrr it might be Dottore again lmao I'm ALSO wondering if Neuvillette's situation might have some parallels with Oceanid shenanigans. Egeria was said to sympathize with the dragons, so I'm not sure she would've actually killed the Hydro Sovereign... So HERE'S some crack- instead, she split his consciousness (a normal Tuesday for an Oceanid) and sealed his body, along with the remains of "his" sea, under Meropide. Hence her "secret". Perhaps her hope was that if a part of him could be integrated into human society, it might lessen his hatred/rage (which worked out, because now Neuvie wants to save humanity from their "sentence"). It would make Egeria to him what he is to the Melusines which I think is thematically interesting- the celestial adopts the light realm dragon who adopts the abyssal babies lol Why the fuck CHILDE is being called to by the whale sealed within the primordial waters though, I would have NO clue 😂
I remember watching someone do a deep dive analysis on all the references to mythology and stories that Childe is connected to, and I think a whale is mentioned as being important so maybe go watch one of those cause it’s quite fascinating
This is Foçalor who created Oratrice, in the demo Neuvillette, which apparently some scenes takes place in the past, we can see that there was no Oratrice then, but Furina was already an archon with a different color of her costume. In the 4.1 trailer and the Neuvillette trailer, we can hear her wiser than now, but we will find out later what this means and why she doesn't know anything now.
I think that Nuevillette was talking to the previous dragon sovereign, Nuevillette just feel like what they wanted to do was not a proper punishment because it would wipe out all the people there and what happened before was not their fault, he may not understand human but he is fair in his judgment
Meropide is deep underwater, and the seal is even deeper below, and abyss is found in deep places like the chasm and now below the bottom of the ocean.
The sea was originally gotten rid of by remus' symphony, i dont think meropide is the only place that primordial water has come from (WE LOVE THE NARZISSENKREUZ). I think part of the prophecy is just that while its been driven down by remus & his harmosts it can rise up through openings, and Meropide stands as only one of the places it was forced down through.
Ik it's a leak (pun intended) But Jacob is the reason why a source of fresh primordial water has been there since after cataclysm. Jacob is the neo human (but shown as abyss lector in game) we met at the end of melusine quest
@@spymadmax584 The neohuman concept works outside of jakob, hes not the only one and its different from his abyssal characteristics. Also jakob isnt the reason for the primordial water :)
@@awinkingowl7608 nope it's a leak from 4.2 world quest we'll be getting of narcisszenkreuz ending. And nope, rene did mentions Jacob as neo human (in enigmatic pages) as Jacob and abyssal beings are unaffected by primordial water. You're wrong on both ends.I've only said he looks like a lector cuz he literally looks like enjou when we meet him at the elynas heart.
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I love that we had the exact same crackpot theory about the Archon/Oratrice! Might also be a ;oophole to the prophecy about the Archon being the last one remaining; if no real(complete) Archon, no prophecy. I wonder if Neuvillette was referring to the Gnoses indeed being the containers of the stolen power, and that the only beings who could make significant changes to the status quo, if they posses them, would be the sovereigns, so anyone but them can possess them without causing such a change. I also wonder if he is referring to the original Hydro sovereign in his apology or the original king of the sovereigns (wrote this before the Fortuna video portion, so in summary I agree).
The Primordial One seems to have won, because he understood how Teyvat works. The Dragons displayed a lack of understanding regarding Forbidden Knowledge, which led to their demise.
@@chrisanonym3473don't forget that PO took the dragons powers AFTER he/she defeated them, and i Personally think po is a person of pure logic and reason, and they realized that the dragons will keep respawning, so they they took away the dragons powers, to naturalize them, so they don't become an issue,
Potential spoilers for future Archon quests in Fontaine!! A big thing to remember when pondering Neuvillette does have the gnosis or not is his quote when you max ascend him, which seems to imply that he doesn't currently possess it but will claim it by the end of our journey in Fontaine (full quote posted below for those who haven't seen it) "Now that I have reclaimed one the Seven Authorities from the hands of the usurpers, I have regained my true form. I am now a fully fledged dragon, powerful enough to judge the rest of the gods. My final destiny is to judge the Usurper-King in the heavens above. But until that times comes, I will lend my power to you."
I think you're on a good track especially since going through the melusine quest there's the giant shell harp that gets played. Then there's the blubberbeast sound waves attack. I'm curious if music will play a larger role in the plot.
I think what Neuvilette mentioned about their powers being the sole basis for the authorities could be that the first usurper (P.O) stole the power of the 7 sovereigns and transferred it to the seven statues. Traveller’s Hydro Kit and Neuvillette kit were identical to each other, so it kind of makes sense that the traveller’s geo kit is also identical to Azhdaha (but it’s pretty unclear)
From what we know from in lore, there are Four instances of Forbidden Knowledge appearing in the world of Genshin Impact. Firstly, It was with the Dragon King, Nibelung. Second, it was with the coming of the 'Second Who Came'. Third, it was with King Deshrat. And Fourthly it was with us being awoken in this world 500 years ago. A total of four cases, and from what we learn from Nahida there are a total of FOUR Descenders. Could there be a connection? Who Knows.
Do not worry we will never get everything right in our theories but it is always tons of fun to share the thoughts with others. I wanted to share some observations i made but people in the comments were very quick to mention most of it: 1. Traveler's Abilities (mostly his Elemental Skill) closely resemble Neuvilette's Kit 2. Also we kept meeting spirits/lifeforms in Sumeru that use or are even created by "music" Still i would like to add some details to them since by the time writing i haven't seen them mentioned anywhere. Traveler not only uses a similiar attack like Neuvilette, he actually spawns the exact same "Sourcewater Droplets" which he can then pick up to heal himself. Also you can use them to charge Neuvilette's attack and vice versa. Furthermore the basic Abilities Traveler uses underwater are due to clusters of "Transoceanic Sourcewater" as the gameplay tutorial states. Regarding the second topic, the hymn we learn to use the Varuna Contraption during the Aranara world quest is called "Rhythm of the Source Water". This may very well be inaccurate due to translation but i decide to roll with it for now. When our sibling helped the Aranara probably during the cataclysm they healed the Varuna Contaption. This really makes me want to read into the Aranara and Pari quests again but my brain can not handle that much text right now but i really think there is a deeper coonection. Once again thank you for your awesome videos. I don't really post anywhere but i like leaving my two cents here in the comment section.
You're spot on! Also, not only the Source Water, but there's also a mention of the Sourcesong near the end of Aranyaka, which reminds me of this symphony/fate/Fortuna thing! And I did see a comment somewhere that even though we don't have an electro dragon, maybe Electro MC may be more like electro Azhdaha than Raiden.... And thank you so much! I think I'm relatively quick with videos because I'm less concerned about being correct and making everything fit, and just like to talk about the various references and connections etc. (And I like trying to be funny with my jokes and subtitles... ahaha.) So I appreciate those who appreciate that! 😊
Wait this is actually a great theory, i was thinking this too but i couldn't really found a proof for my theory. Also, if you haven't, i suggest you read the lore of the fontaine's reputation wings once you got it. It reveals so much abt the dragon 😮
I agree that the gnosis is most probably not what Neuvilette is talking about. It's been said that they somehow "amplify" an archon's powers, but we've seen them relinquishing their gnosis before, and there isn't any noticeable decrease in their powers (Ei doesn't even seem to have ever used the gnosis for herself at all). Maybe it's because we haven't seen any archon actually use their gnosis to do any mind blowing feats, but I feel that the gnosis being the "source" of their powers is a huge overstatement. My own speculation about the whole "Furina is not the archon" thing is that, maybe, Furina is well aware of Neuvilette's identity and as goddess of justice, she returned part of her powers to him as its rightful owner, perhaps keeping just enough for her to maintain her shape/existence. That would explain why she's so insecure/afraid, and tries to cover it with her magnanimous archon façade. And also why she seems so much more confident when Neuvilette is around, as he would literally be the embodiment of her former power and authority. Perhaps what the Knave refers to as a "curse" is some sort of contract or pact that Furina and Neuvilette made, some sort of retribution/compensation for the usurper's sins, keeping in line with the whole justice theme. Either way, I think it's pretty interesting how unique the relationship between archon and sovereign dragon is in Fontaine, unlike all other regions of Teyvat we've visited. On a side note about Childe, when Traveler is trying to convince the Knave about Childe being alive, I couldn't believe that they wouldn't point at his vision. We saw in Inazuma that when a vision holder dies, the vision turns gray, so by contrast, one could assume that the vision still having color is a solid proof that the owner is still alive. Just wanted to get that off my chest haha
Same!! I just don't understand why Traveller acted like they had no proof to show that Childe is still alive when they literally did... It's as if the few things we did learn in Inazuma truly don't matter at all lmao.
My theory. Neuvillette will get the gnosis and get full power, then he will stop the prophecy. Furina will abdicate of being the archon, and she will get a vision somehow like Wanderer, or Neuvillette will grant her a vision. .
As for Seelies being A type of Dragon, or let me generalize and say a type of Light realm / Elemental being, this seems unlikely to me. Elemental beings are associated with one element and it seems that Seelies are usually not. There's no "neutral" or "all" or "primal" elemental beings as yet. Also their personalities are directly the opposite. Dragons and Vishaps low-key hate humans and Seelies low-key adore humans. This affection continues even after they're thrown out of heaven. Also I still think Drunkard's tale implies Seelies arrived with the PO on the Ark and originally fled some "primordial" human origin world where humans had god-like powers (like the Seelies) and then fell into ruin (like the Seelies). Thus why the song the Seelies wrote to commemorate the fall of humanity is an ironic fit for their own fate. There's no mention in the origin myths of Teyvat about Seelies being created. Also Enka researchers note the difficulty of merging the native species biology with the human realm. So creating Seelies from dragons seems like it would be hard. Hey, you have a space Ark -- gotta have crew for the space Ark, right?
Arlecchino seems genuinely worried about Fontaine, and based on what Childe said I can see her trying to run off with the Gnosis to save her homeland. Love how she's utterly indifferent to Childe's plight 😆 I agree with the leaks about the Furina that we meet being a puppet (like the Raiden Shogun) and that the real hydro archon and the gnosis is within the oratrice... Could Neuvillette stop the prophecy by reclaiming some of the sovereign power stolen via the gnosis and that vast supply of indemnitium? Because Fontaine looks like it's heading towards becoming another Khaenri’ah and that is sad. 😢 Re the Abyss whale and Childe...some of the speculation online is that it's a Celestial whale, seen once more as a sign of Celestia's intent to punish Fontaine... 👀 Although it makes sense to me that the original sin that will be cleansed through the prophecy comes from the Dragon Sovereign itself. There's too much lore to consider it's mind-boggling!
In shortening the triad of powers to two opposed powers, I think it's hard to make that out to be Abyss vs Light realm as opposed to Abyss vs Celestia. It doesn't feel like there's an animus between Abyss and Dragons as there is between Abyss and Celestia or Abyss and Archons or 1st and 2nd thrones. The Chasm is said to be the fight between two powers and both of those powers are said to be from beyond Teyvat. Also the Dragons seek out FK to fight against the PO which suggests the Dragons and the FK (Abyss) were not enemies. Well - I don't think the Abyss even existed on Teyvat pre-PO. Saying the Celestial power is just the Light power re-worked or "stolen" [Hey! The PO beat them up fair and square - even Apep admitted that much]... seems to narrow the 3 forces to two and make none of them from beyond Teyvat. Still I'm happy to see more theories on dragons which I figured Apep would produce , although not so much at the time...
can i just say i absolutely love that you used a different spelling of wronald wreasley's name every time it shows up in the subs, i respect the dedication 😂
You know what, on your theory with Furina coming from the Oratrice, that would be a *lot* like Ann the baby oceanid and the Mary-Ann we met. And hoyo really likes rhyming with AQ in the wider lore 🤔
anyone notice how neuvillette said that the judgment was too severe and he was sorry for overruling it..?? what if hes talking about childes whale who egeria "trapped" in there.
oh thank you for pointing this out!! I try my best to compare language translations, but it's extra hard for cutscenes like that - I only speak EN. But that's interesting he says he's opposed and cannot participate. I think the general vibe is there. like he's implying his participation was assumed, and he may be going against that, if that makes sense? May be my own bias. Thanks again for pointing this out.
@@roozeveltfox yeah I think there would only be a difference in nuance (an apology suggests a sense of regret), but ultimately the implication is that he is aware of the sentence and is expected to carry it out/allow it to be carried out. I just wanted to point it out because I finally saw all versions of the cutscenes yesterday and thought it was an interesting difference. ^^
I still don't get that part with Fermine. In 4.0 we saw that even a small contact with the Primordial Water turns the people of Fontaine into a paddle of water. In 4.1 Fermine was swimming in it and got "a little sick".
Lmao maybe everything with the primordial water is just from the fact that furina dropped the gnosis into the water and a something swallowed it and turned into a whale 😂
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT NEUVILLETTE'S ACENSION CONCLUSION LINE!? I he's new and all but I also know I'm not the only person who's got him to level 90 lol
I also got him to 90 like day 2 (maybe 3) and the only reason I'm not touching it yet is because I see all these locked voicelines about Archons and I wanna see those first aaahahaha but holy moly the implications
I dont think the warden of the oasis could really count as a dragon, even if it does apep is the one who would have had their power stolen. The celestial nails dont make much sense to me made from the powers of the dragon sovereigns since some dragons were most likely still fighting the war after Nibelung's death, apep being the main one we know of who continued the fight up until the nail was dropped resulting in the destruction of that entire area of rainforest.
However, the archon quests always center around well the archons… the fact that the prophecy mentions Furina should let us know it’s with her where our story is headed.
Current furina is neuma/ousia form and the oratrice is the other part of the furina And the other furina in oratrice is the one who is crying.... The tears of the oratrice furina is primodial water Just saying May be stupid
