She killed Vary's because he was trying to poison Daenarys. That's why he kept sending that little girl into the kitchen and she said Daenary's isn't eating.
@tayscupojoe I didn't start of team Daenarys, but by the end, I got why she did it. She saved Jon's life twice beyond the wall. Even when Tyrion advised her not to go save them as it's dangerous for her. Then she saved him again when he went chasing after the Night King and got surrounded by wights. Jon caused her to lose a dragon, and then she and her dragons and her army were why Arya was able to get a chance to kill the Night King. Them all of a sudden, Tyrion went from being the smartest advisor to the dumbest. Almost as if he didn't want to do anything to harm his family. Sansa was the most manipulative she learned from Littlefinger that if she told Tyrion about Jon, that would cause chaos, and they would back Jon over her. If Daenarys was a horrible person she could have let the wights kill Jon when they surrounded him, but she saved him. Only for the people of the North to primarily praise Jon and Sansa to be talking reckless. As someone who was hiding down in the crypt.
The thing that annoys me about Varys is legit the FIRST thing Dany told him was if he thought she was failing or not doing her Queenly duties she said don't go behind her back say it to her face and the second he heard about another male heir he instantly betrayed her no hesitation!!
@@monlovchel Yes, and only after telling her multiple times (and being ignored), and finding out that she was in fact not the legitimate her, did he switch his loyalty to the actual heir, which was Jon.
Erm pay attention, he told her straight to her face "This is a mistake...do not become what u have always struggled to defeat". Then she started with the whole destiny reply and Varys then saw her as a Tyrant. "They all talk about destiny"
I love Dany’s mad queen turn!! IDC!! It was perfect for the story imo.. The girl who’s father went mad who we grow to love, who is freeing the slaves, gets the army she needs. However when she gets to westeros you see that she isn’t trusted/accepted like she assumed she would be. Can’t trust her council like she used to. Finds out she isn’t the actual heir to the throne, her best friend is killed in front of her, AND finds out about a conspiracy against her. Also, I could be mistaken, but paranoia was a huge factor in what turned the mad king mad! So the fact it happens to his loving, free the slaves daughter, I love it!
It wasn't much of a turn, since Dany's madness was always there. Her council kept Dany at bay from making devastating choices like the one she's making now.
Y’all please! Jon had every right to tell his family about who he really is. Don’t you think Sansa and Arya would want to know about Ned and how he kept that secret about Jon and how he never stepped out on their mother? Dany was selfish in wanting Jon to keep that secret all to secure her claim to that damn throne. And technically, Jon didn’t tell them, it was Bran. Screw Dany! If she can’t control her emotions without burning people just because she’s mad, then she doesn’t deserve to be Queen.
Well said, plus also it so wrong making Jon keep his bastard name regardless of his desire to rule or not. Jon finally knows his parentage and should be able to say hes no bastard and a true born son of Lyanna Stark at least.
@@shannyd1 Absolutely! Jon always wanted to know about his mother. I mean, all his life he was called bastard. For him to finally know who his mother is and that he was never a bastard AND that he is the highest of highborn…I hated Dany for telling him to keep secret of who he really is. And all the praise to Uncle Ned. He protected Jon knowing that he was the heir.
Okay and Sansa didn’t have a right for breaking Jon secret she literally betrayed him and everything that happened was her fault, y’all mad at dang for doing what she did but she tried everyone way and lost two of her dragons and her friends. She had every right to do what she did , that’s what war is
What Dany did is unforgiveable. Dany had these tendences before, but she was always talked down by Tyrion, Jorah, Varyes or Barristan. I think if Jorah and Barristan were still alive, they could´ve talked sense into her.
Varys served the people of the realm. He only served kings/queens that had the realm's best interests at heart and many of those rulers didn't. His loyalty first and foremost was always to the people.
In the show maybe but rhaegar was gonna stop his father at a tourney and yet Varys knew this and told aerys which caused aerys to become paranoid about his son. Varys just wants someone to control at the end of the day when you think about it
@@WLDByeah and they ruined the entire show because they thought they knew the characters when they’ve admitted to not knowing much about the world or the characters
I can't wait to get to house of the dragon reactions already. I couldn't stand the reactions of rttv, but the duo joe makes with Tay is much more fun to watch 😅
When you rewatch the series pay close attention Dany actions. Especially pay attention to what she tells Tyrion when making him her hand. Then you will understand her character more.
Dani started becoming dark in ways around season 4 or 5 I started seeing glimpses of what was to come from her. I never saw her completely losing it like she did
In season 1 she executed a woman who had merely performed a perfectly justified act of revenge on her and Drogo, for massacring her people, and mass raping her and other survivors, and then enslaving them. If that wasn’t already a glimpse, I don't know what is.
@@fordhouse8bdany didn’t enslave them it was drogo she knew that he’d probably kill them so she took them in the guise of slaves to protect them George literally said it. Plus she killed danys child because she was afraid of the prophecy
@@ACinemafanatic You are exactly right. The witch killed Dany’s child, because that way he could never become “the stallion that mounts the world.” A very reasonable motivation to abort him, and one that does not deserve punishment. Certainly not by being burned alive. Yes, obviously Dany had a motive for her murder, murderers often do.
@@ACinemafanatic Technically, when the witch said that the life Dany would have to pay with was not her own, the witch never said who’s life Dany would be paying with. She only said “Bring me his horse.” She NEVER said that the horse’s life was the only life that would be taken in exchange. Yet Dany agreed to the trade, so technically, Dany authorized the witch to take any life at all in exchange for Drago’s life. The Dothraki who raped her had no right to rape her. Te Dothraki who killed the man who baked her bread had no right to kill that baker. Did Dany burn any of those Dothraki for their crimes? For their murders? A leader who kills out of revenge and personal feelings of grievance, rather than out of a egalitarian and unbiased sense of justice is a tyrant and an unjust ruler.
Jon had every right to tell his family the truth. He did not make any promises to Daenerys and just because she called herself the rightful queen does not mean he needs to obey her.
Yes, if Dany believed that Jon was telling the truth, then she would also know that HE is the rightful heir, and if she was truly interested in a lawful restoration of the Targaryen Dynasty, she would have immediately bent the knee to him and ordered every one of her subjects and followers to do the same.
Yes, Jon rejecting her romantically definitely pushed her to Fear instead of Love. She loves Jon but he only wants her to be his queen now, which she takes as another loss & rejection.
In no way should Danny have done what she did. But trying to understand her perspective for my own closure. Hear me out, she was born into the ruling family and we don't know anything about her early childhood. GOT started with her having to leave what she knew when her father, the Mad King was murdered. She was taken / escaped by basically being forced to merry, she had to survive hell and fight so many times just to stay alive. After the death of her brother, all she knew was that she was it, the last of her bloodline. As she grew in strength , people loved and followed her because of what she did for them, rescuing them from the situation that their life had taken them to. Maybe we can count on one hand the number of people that ended up loving her unconditionally. For about 99 percent of the entire series people where telling her not to do this or that because it would mean that she was a bad person if she didn't do as they advised. Everyone had a part to play and contribute to what she became. I think if she just did what she wanted towards the middle of the series, we would've had a different ending. Yes, many people would've died but not the amount at Kings Landing. But that's what war is and when is it the people's responsibility to not put themselves and their family in harms way? Why wouldn't you leave the city and remove yourself from that situation? When everyone is fighting the Night King, excluding Jamie, not one person thought to go on their own to help save mankind. Kings Landing carried on like nothing was going on and don't say that they didn't know. They all choose not to do their part. Remember, this is from Danny's point of view. So when your Queen rages war by killing a dragon, Danny's closest ( like a sister at that point) female friend, not to mention countless of Danny's inner circle, what is left for her to do. All of Kings Landing became her enemies. They all choose to do nothing, they all choose to follow who they did, and they all choose to remain and live in Kings Landing. Like I said, Danny should have never done what she did, but I understand way she did it. If she would've taken all three dragons and her armies and recaptured Kings Landing back in seasons 6 or early season 7, her outcome would've been much different. The biggest crime committed was how the writers ended the series.
People always seem to think Daenerys snapping and burning people came out of nowhere. I guess on first watch its hard to pinpoint but there are numerous hints in many scenes that even way back in season 1 that showed she had a crazy rage within her and she was capable of being very irrational. If it wasn't for Jorah, Selmy, Missandei talking her out of doing things she would've burned down the red keep seasons prior. After losing her dragons and Missandei being murdered she finally lost it. Especially since all she's been working towards was the iron throne which she just found out the guy she loves is her nephew who has the better claim to her one goal. The people don't gravitate to her like they do to Jon. It all boiled up resulting to this. She said herself she wanted to break the wheel and she could rebuild the kingdom with people who accept her as the queen so she was gonna get to that iron throne no matter what. Daenerys was sympathetic to slaves because she basically was one under her brother and early on with Drogo and so she worked to free them. As long as she was getting her way she was calm and mild but anyone or anything that defied her she threatened them with violence. Remember that spice trader in Qarth as soon as he said i can't give you ships she threatened him and even before that at the gates of Qarth when they denied her entry for valid reasons she resorts to this rageful speech. I wasn't surprised at this ending because there was so much foreshadowing.
If by better claim you mean that Jon had a legitimate claim, and she did not, then yes. According to the basic rules of inheritance, Jon had the ONLY claim. As someone who claimed to desire to take back the throne for the Targaryen dynasty, the moment she found out Jon was the legitimate son of her oldest brother Rhaegar, she should have immediately bent the knee to him. Even before quartz she proved herself a cruel murderer. She burned the witch, when all the witch had done was to exact a perfectly reasonable revenge on the Khal who had burned her city and temple, massacred her people and friends, condoned the gang rape of her and countless other women, and enslaved the survivors. All actions he and the Dothraki committed with the ultimate goal of obtaining ships with which to Invade the Seven Kingdoms on behalf of his wife. Even before that, after she had almost been poisoned by the wine merchant, when Drogo made the speech about killing her enemies and raping their women, Dany looked at him like she was about to cream her panties (assuming women wear panties in that world).
Hi Taylor, thanks for acknowledging my comment. 1 of my fav. aspect of the books is forshadowings & symbolism,u & Joel will do a great favor to urselves if u read the books & u'll find ur own fav. aspects of it cuz it's rich .To make it less confusing forget about how the whitewalkers were created or anything related to them in the show, it's still a mystery in the books,I will tell u this as simple as I can : (They appeared when the children & the 1st men were in the middle of agreement to ceasefire,the children didn't create them,the long night is highly involved with "empire of dawn" in essos so it happened not only in westorous but essos,so in each tribe & culture it might have its own version, for e.g. the dothraki's "stallion who mounts the world & the end of the world" might be their savage version of the "prince that was promised & the long night") >Cool theory is that "house dayne"{Arthur dayne's house} are descended from empire of dawn & migrated & settled in dorne when the empire collapsed due to the long night 1000s of years ago, & that they will play major part in the coming long night in the books
The only reason that Tyrion becomes so terrible in choices over this series, is because they ran out of source material and they had to improvise. And yeah you can be sure they are terrible in improvising. It essentially translated in character assassination for more than one character. It is what it is, but that's the main reason that Tyrion suddenly became "stupid". Writing suffered and its practically a meme at this point.
Exactly and people defending danys mad turn are idiots too because after season 4 the show fell downhill. The whole season 2 Dany is when they ruined her entire personality and character even Emilia was annoyed by them making Dany cold when she read the books
I’ll say this the whole mad queen thing was not in the initial plans for danys story especially when the showrunners didn’t really know where to take her character but they already changed her entire character from the beginning in the books she’s not someone with a temper she actually listens and is very precise on her decisions. Yes dany had some dark moments but when her whole arc is about protecting women and children and to see that stupid turn was just an atrocious thing. D&d say it’s “subverting expectations “ but it’s just an excuse for their terrible writing and on top of that the original script Emilia read had Cersei have a hidden thing of wildfire near the red keep which is why she locked the people of kings landing there because she was willing to sacrifice them and dany accidentally burns the red keep which causes a chain reaction.
What are you on about?? She was dark from the first series, she never took advice always choosing her way. She saw in the vision that she would burn kings landing to the ground. Danny knew to get a life one must be sacrificed. She happy to sacrifice. Maybe you need to watch again.
@@Verdent777I did watch it they changed her story from the beginning that not what she saw in the vision for the books they said themselves that they always had Jon in mind to kill her since season 2 and it was before they met with George on the ending. So they themselves don’t know how it’s gonna end
It’s actually a different lol the mad king just wanted everyone to burn for no reason lol Dany on the other hand has loss so mush she actually has a reason🤷🏾♂️
@@randomreactionstv2721 killing innocents is absolutely NO excuse - if you excuse it maybe you can excuse the Israelis? I mean Cersei did just what Hamas does - hide behind innocents.
@@monlovchel Olin not saying it is an excuse but if someone kills my kids and I know I have the power I’m going to use it lol but you do one even if she went straight to Cersei people would have still died because of the building lol.
@@randomreactionstv2721 So what? He was attempting to morally distinguish between her and the Mad King, when there is no distinction, not having any reason for burning them all, and having an unjustified one, is a difference whiteout a distinction. Hell, she is actually worse, because her daddy was actually insane, her really was a madman, while she is sane.
Bruh a dragon is flying around killing everyone and people still find time to pillage and grape the city, the degeneracy of Game of Thrones never ceases to surprise me 😂
I have to laugh. Not in just this show but any show from like the past, whenever someone is sneaking about, why is it they are the only ones wearing a hood? LOL.
The number of people who were surprised by Dany doing what she did will always be a mystery to me. Like we've literally spent 7 seasons watching her go crazier and crazier. She is her father's daughter. All her noble ideals are gradually thrown by the wayside, accelerating once she arrived in Westeros to none of the celebrations she had expected. I genuinely don't know what those people were watching if they didn't see this coming. As Ramsey said "if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention".
Me either. I always thought of her as Jon’s foil. Where she was killing prior to amass armies because entitled to the throne, jon was stitching together armies out of necessity. She had some wild inclinations that her advisors had to constantly talk her out of. Wild outbursts about murdering people. where Jon was the one talking sense in the people. They were just totally different when it came to leadership. Dany murdered droves of people to get the unsullied, acted like she was selling her dragon just to “murder any noble under 12.” Then she frees the city, but then puts them back into forced labor. She was nuts.
Well the last Season was rushed and terrible. So I think that’s a part of it. If we had a proper 10 episodes to see her go mad, it would be received better.
Thank you! She was always violent and an entitled brat. She threatened everyone everywhere she went and demanded people bow down to her. In the books, she's even more entitled.
The showrunners have such a talent for throwing character arc out window, & not just Dany They literally completely butchered Jaime's character in 1 sentence (I honestly didn't care for innocents or otherwise) he suffered years of kingslaying nickname for years cuz he prevented innocents from dying....
Indeed!! People wanted a sweet Dany when she was always thinking it was only her way. The man she loves, who is the rightful king she tried to silence. She as you see is a dark dragon.
This is what pissed me off... all Daenerys had to do was go straight to the Red Keep and burn Cersei and get her throne but whilst going there she just starts burning innocent people for no reason, it just doesn't make sense the way they did that. Rushed as hell and too much style over substance.
They didn’t get her character tbh and they certainly had favorites. As a book reader it was so infuriating how much they degraded her character just to make Jon’s story better because after Arya kills the night king Jon’s story went nowhere and Tyrion basically is a traitor you can’t side with dany and protect your siblings at the same time when it comes to war. Then they wanted to force a narrative that Sansa and Arya can see the crazy and when asked about why they are hostile towards dany their answer was “because she’s beautiful and she took their brother.” It was very sexist and basic especially with what they did to brienne crying over Jamie like that and ruining his arc by having him go back to Cersei 😒 the fact that people defend this terrible season just lets me know that you didn’t really understand the characters just like how d&d thought they did. No wonder the author distanced himself from the show because they ruined everything
In the script she does go to the red keep even Emilia said it but when she does Cersei had a cache of wildfire stored in order to make dany look bad but it caused a chain reaction to go off in the city that’s also why we didn’t see dany on drogon majority of the time because she wasn’t the one killing everyone
@@ACinemafanatic I've never really been the biggest fan of Dany even in the books but they definitely ruined her character this season as they did with "others". Arya should've died at least "4 times" in this episode but instead d&d turned her into a immortal superhero, Cersei who's been here since episode 1 and has been one of my faves to have her die by bricks was pathetic.... I wanted to see more drama and interactions/conflict with her and Daenerys also that is why they needed another two seasons like GRRM and HBO wanted, I agree this season was just overall really poor.
Loved it. I’m glad she did it. They were always going to betray Danny anyway. Sansa is another little finger. Her and Varys were purposely sabotaging her. Literally tried poisoning her. And did everything they could to spread the news about John being a Targaryen. Sansa would never have stopped. Especially if Danny didn’t let the north be independent. She lost everything and everyone left was drifting away from her. And Tyrion cared more about his family than being a good hand. I just wish Danny would have been able to wipe out Winterfel before she was murdered.
& look at these bozos in the comments saying (actually dany's mad queen makes sense bla bla) no it doesn't, that's not her character or nature or whatever, in the books It won't be like that definitely,& there are many proofs for it can't write all of it here, the mad queen arc had been already developing w cersie u don't need 2 mad queens. The long night is the final arc in the books,as should have been climax in the show The destiny of Dany is to fight in the long night u all know that, there'll be no more room left to develop her character to something else,she either dies fighting against White Walkers or may survive George has said Dany & her dragons are the fire part of (a song of ice and fire)
I hope you don't take Aerys for Aegon. Aegon's story is huge. It's not like he came, they surrendered and he gave them the lands back. The story of the conquest is vast, terrible and unfair. History is made by the victors .
After this episode aired, I was still trying not to condemn Dany. I thought there was a slim chance either Bran warged into Drogon and controlled him, or Drogon acted on his own behalf to avenge his brother. What's a 110 pound Dany going to do if Drogon decided to go rogue?
Watch the entire series again. The signs that this is how Dany would rule... THERE ALL ALONG. But you loved the pretty blonde with baby dragons... and didn't wanna see it.
I didn't care about these people at all because we never had a deep relationship with them. They ruined most of the characters in this series plus what they did to Daenerys and that makes me angrier. 
It didn't burn much, it should have burned the north and Cersei (as much as I like her too). She lost everything and always tried to be passive and calm. Well, I would do the same and I didn't feel sorry for any of these people because they were the same ones who were calling for Ned's death and Cersei's own walk. (Let them know when the sky falls on their heads)
That makes you a psychopath like her. They showed kids that wouldn't have even been born yet when Ned was executed and there's no way in hell he'd be ok with that either.
@@WLDBThis is fiction, and they never delve deeper into the people of Porto Real with the public. You must be another one of those idiots who isn't happy that John (unfortunately) is hated to this day. That's why you talk shit here in my comment. I say unfortunately because I know that the actors are not to blame for the end of the series and that they managed to ruin most of them in the end. I'm sorry but that's the truth.
@@WLDBThat's fiction, I'm aware of that, that's why I don't give a shit about those people. You must be a fan of John who to this day (unfortunately) is hated by most of the public, I say unfortunately because I know that it's not the actors' fault but the screenwriters' fault that the characters got such bad endings.
Actually VARYS has NEVER said he was certain about Dany. He just thought she was the best ruler for the realm BEFORE he found out about Jon and saw Dany's other side. Jon didn't betray Dany either, why should he keep a bastard name just because he doesn't want to rule. That's unfair, he has a hard life due to being named Snow.
@@Neddoestand people are defending this stupid season when they ruined so many of my favorite characters. Jamie’s arc was erased, cerseis arc was stupid, Sansa reverted back to herself in season one, Arya is a little sociopath with big plot armor, Jon is a bumbling idiot, Tyrion is a drunken idiot, they made Dany a mad queen in order to make Jon’s story better. It was just terrible and as a book reader I can see why George distances himself from the show
my first watch through I hated the way they killed Cersai. I wished Jamie would have stabbed her, which would have been awesome! But this watch through with you guys i kind of, for the first time, thought that is was actually very poetic. The castle she did everything to keep was what actually killed her. I'm still mad that the long night was only one episode and so was this. Each of these story lines deserved it's own full season.
@@WLDBshe didn’t mean it literally she was angry tired and desperate because they were about to turn her away. In the books they let her in willingly because of her dragons
Like the script was bad and in season 7 they were making Sansa this entitled character who didn’t seem to mind her bothers death and was apparently jealous of Jon that’s why that whole Arya and Sansa scene was so unnecessary and just stupid they just put that in for conflict