The BEST and WORST Upcoming EUCs! 

You're so right 😭

Me too! As long as it's 126v+, like the Patton, that'd be awesome 😎

@@WheelGoodTime exactly! Great video btw

Thank you so much! 😃

From what I have heard, existing V13 owners will be able to replace their current air shocks with a Sherman S-style suspension. But time will tell if it plays out that way 🙂

@@WheelGoodTimeAny word on the weight of the Begode Extreme? Thanks SUBBED

@@Stan0619 77 lbs. 🙂 Thanks for subscribing! 🥳

@@WheelGoodTimeThe power to weight ratio is a game changer. Do you know if the suspension can be locked?

@@Stan0619 good question - I haven't heard whether you can or not. Personally I don't know why anyone would want to 🤣

Me too!! 🥳😎

Based on my experience, the most reliable EUC brand is Begode (for all current generation EUCs, anyway). Second place in reliability goes to Leaperkim, but only on the Sherman S and Lynx models. If you live up on the 4th floor with no elevator, you can get an EUC up most steps easily enough - as long as the stairs are concrete. If they are carpeted or wooden, then you risk potentially damaging the steps going up or down. The lighter the EUC, the easier it'll be going up and down the stairs 🙂 the real question is, how much weight can YOU handle pushing it up and down the stairs?

Euc is funner scooter you holding on on handle bars while with a euc you control it off body movements totally different experience. It's like your floating at high speeds 😂

Thanks for the feedback 🥳

The T4 is a great wheel and a great value! I just didn't include it in this video because I was covering the "future" wheels this time 🙂

Thanks for the feedback! 😀

Correct. Amphours are completely meaningless alone; whenever we talk about energy (and battery capacity) it's the *joules* that matter and the most convenient unit for expressing joules of energy is _watthours_ so it's easy to estimate that an average draw of 100 W of power for 4 hours drains about half the usable capacity of an 800 Wh battery. A watt of _power_ is spending one joule of _energy_ per second. The current multiplied by voltage also gives us the power in watts, and then if we multiply the power with time we get energy in watthours. Always, always use watthours for an "apples to apples" comparison between battery packs because otherwise, if the battery pack voltage information is omitted, there is no way to tell how much energy the pack contains. 72 V system vs. 100 volt system would leave you with a 30% difference right there, even if they used the same exact cells with the same Ah nominal capacity!

Good point, it could be distracting for drivers.

I realized the same thing too, in hindsight. I'm glad Kebye said they are going to protect it better, but it's good to see that the wheel is surviving beatings like that.

Thanks for the kind words! As I said before, buy once, cry once. Get the absolute best wheel that you can afford So you don't risk outgrowing it and find yourself wanting to buy something better/more powerful in a month or two. Any 16 to 18 in wheel should be good - I am personally looking at possibly getting an extreme for trail purposes, but that wheel also will be small enough to facilitate a learner as well. 🙂

1. 168v system, 2. 4800wh, 3. Molicel batteries (the best price to performance ratio battery, in my opinion) 4. Hydraulic shock system, 5. Waterproof... I'm sorry, I couldnt pick just 3 🤣

@WheelGoodTime Thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions! I do have a Molicel RS19, but I don't think it has enough range. Hopefully, the battery technology will advance further, so we can have more power and more range at a budget price!

It does look promising! I think it'll be a great wheel. I know many vendors have chosen not to stock it already for some reason, so I worry that it may not be a big success. It will likely be a great wheel at a great $ value, so I foresee this one being a "sleeper" in regards to its performance compared to its commercial success. It was definitely worth a mention though, and I'd throw it in the thumbs up category!

Based on the recently released videos from Begode, the rear light definitely looks sturdy after taking such a beating... Either way, they promised to cover it/redesign the seat for better taillight protection prior to release.

Depends on your use case and desires. The Patton has a smaller wheel diameter so it will be inherently less stable at higher speeds, but it has a higher speed safety margin. The Patton seems much, much more sturdy in the event of a crash. But the s22 pro has longer suspension travel - so many factors to consider. I am personally a "big wheel" kinda guy so I'd personally opt for the s22 pro if forced between the two choices.

​@@WheelGoodTime Thanks!!!!

Yes there was some confusion about that - but confirmation was received later from a vendor that it can be special ordered by vendors for "the general public" customers.

My Master Pro definitely needs a trolley handle 🤔 I believe the bigger and heavier the wheel is, the more necessary a beefy trolley handle is.

Weird, I could a sworn I read that the s22 was 1776wh. Thanks for the correction and feedback!

@@WheelGoodTime1776 is ewheels high discharge 40T pack. Default LG M50LT is 2200wh

You are correct! I heard that they are planning to develop both fast discharge and low discharge rate (read: "higher range") packs and either can be used, as long as they are the correct voltage for the wheel.

Normally I'd agree with you because I dislike plastic EUCs as well, but after numerous reports after high speed crashes, the V13 holds up surprisingly well, taking little to no body damage at all.

Yeah, that too I guess 😉

Only with certain retailers. I believe ewheels is selling it for 3500 but pretty much everyone else is selling it for much less.

alienrides.com/products/begode-extreme-ibex-electric-unicycle $3k at AR

can i have a few examples of places i can buy it at 3k? i was about to pre- order the extreme through ewheels but if i can save 500$ im all for it

@@saltlife316 alien Rides 😎

Yeah I think that's how that works 🤣

I guess time will tell! 🙂

@@WheelGoodTime I have my own crow-eating bib ready if I’m wrong!

It's my understanding that they fixed the s22 suspension roller issue with the pro. Hopefully the s19 suspension is good to go!

@@WheelGoodTime no they didn't it is the worst suspension of all EUCs... Dirt covers the exposed rollers to the wheel!!!

@@SolarizeYourLife I'm sorry to hear that 😭

Why is the s22 worse? They are roughly the same weight and height, so to me it makes sense to pop for the extra couple hundred bucks and get a far more capable wheel, no matter your location.

@@WheelGoodTime Here cops stop big wheel riders. Traffic is relatively slow. There's zero need for speeds over 50km/h. Also, stopping power in big heavy wheels make them less safe in dense traffic. Also, I don't want to carry more than 20-25kg up and down stairs. I have 30.000km under my belt and the manufacturers force me to use entry level wheels. I say, bring on the high level portable wheels instead. I know I'm in a minority that thinks this. But I like the S18 at 24kg. If only it wasn't so expensive. My dream is a 134v 16in at below 25kg with mere 1300-1600Wh and short air suspension and lower pedals for road riding.

It's not exactly an obsession🤣 but amp hours are the best way to measure for range on an EUC because they run on a certain voltage. That's why the Sherman S gets similar range to a Master Pro because it has 34 volts less, and 1200wh less battery capacity. Amp hours are an effective way to estimate potential range, watt hours do not account for voltage.

@@WheelGoodTime this is where I completely disagree with you. The Master Pro is getting a much longer range than a Sherman S if ridden in an identical manner. We're talking 20 miles+ more range.

@@bleeder228 you are right - I suppose the reason I said that is because the Master Pro can be ridden in a way that the Sherman S can't, in terms of acceleration (due to having more power at the motor and 34v more).

Well of course YOU like the s19 🤣Anyway, for the price tag, it just doesn't deliver. People who want their front pads in an aggressive forward lean will be unable to mount pads in that way at all, which rules out a large segment of the population. This wheel is a much closer competitor to a T4 (specs-wise), but the price tag isn't justified based on its spec list. The wonky pad design and exposed speakers will scare off many potential customers. I can see the speakers getting a 3d printed cover made by some entrepreneur, but the 100v system and the forward pad puts this wheel in the grave when compared to the similarly-priced waterproof offerings from other companies.

@Wheel Good Time people that want them that aggressive generally ride begode already. There is stil ALOT of people that stil love the s18 and the s19 is basically the new s18 and it's been beefed up ALOT

Looking forward to the S19 as well. It’s nice to have a wheel choice that’s ready right out of the box, not having to spend more time and/or money on accessories and installations.

{tl;dr … written by phone so needs editing} The big tell on the S19 is that Kingsong took a community sourced idea for saving the S20 with roller sliders but ignored the advice that this was only a tempo solution and should be dramatically redesigned before extending the model production run. Not only are the S-22pro sliders still inadequate for long term serviceability but they’ve hastily transferred this design deficiency to lower price point models. Huge tactical error in production management! I feel terrible for their people and hope they hire appropriate consultants to extract them from self-destruction. On major problem that we seldom hear about is the production budget resource allocation between the scooter group and the EUC group, which is relevant because of the high volume demands for OEM rental scooters. Since the marketplace for citywide rental scooters has proven unviable (as an exploitative business model), the allocation of talent is usually constrained due to the need to rapidly iterate with newer model design, which can exhaust profitability when organic growth slows below expectations. I’m completely naive of what’s actually happening but it’s obvious that Inmotion has a strategic development plan while others are in a war of attrition. I love my 16x… everyone should get one, regardless of how many wheels you already have. It’s slightly outdated but its value is unmatched. Those roller sliders will be the kiss of death if they don’t solve this design problem more elegantly. I do like the Hou Ningning rollers as a good option but how frequently will I need replacements if I planned on keeping it in service daily. Rapid failures in the materials used in early versions of the rollers indicates that this is more of a structural design flaw than it was about materials selection. The S22 should continue to be sold but a promise of radically changed battery boxes should be fast-tracked… and provided at cost so that all existing models could potentially be upgraded over successive owners. Inmotion CEO bravely admitted that the evolution of the V11 shocks to the V13 design was an insufficient compromise. This is to be corre by bringing MTB hydraulic cartridge type suspension combined with a coil-shock linkage system, similar to the Begode Extreme but hopefully using aftermarket parts sourced from other industry players. This benefits the consumer in delaying the planned obsolescence that is inherent with rapidly evolving products. I’m personally lobbying for mass gyro stabilization, which would truly be revolutionary but that’s still 5-10 years away. Gyrowheels would be an improvement in ride quality and performance as significant as self balancing was when it first enabled the sport. Gyro-cycles could eliminate the step-learning curve (which is a major barrier for Sector growth… and do the following: Eliminate rider induced wobbles… self-balance in all directions… enhanced power slides… improve regenerative efficiency and capacity… potentially self-drive in formation (which means that the sophisticated self-driving sensors and programming is unnecessary… Attitude control gyros can also act as an energy storage and rapid absorption device, which can offload unwanted regenerative loads from burdening the motherboard components Or requiring unnecessary heat sinks to dump spikes in current like those induced while jumping or idling; this could eliminate electronic overheating and eliminate electrical currents from straining or harming the batteries… there’s more but this shouldn’t cost more than 1/3 of present day production costs yet will yield a 50% increase in consumer pricing… with the potential for safety and performance to exceed median passenger car or motorcycle metrics at a lifetime cost of ownership that is an order of magnitude less than a two stroke moped… so, gasoline would have to be free to compete with gyro wheels. Did I mention that the technology has existed and been proven in vehicles dating back to the 1950’s? Lastly, a gyro stabilized electric unicycle could make extreme braking effortless and forgiving for inexperienced riders. Antilock braking even on slick surfaces on like ice, oil or hydroplane… so riding while impaired in a snowstorm across the black ice is no more strenuous than riding slowly in deep sand… easy and predictable… but wait, there’s more… shock dampening will become redundant which is 90% or more of the complexity and costs of the current suspension, which means zero suspension maintenance for the life of the EUC! … gyro stabilization can act while jumping (mid-freaking-air) because it can react to your imbalance or unwanted rotation momentum… {it’s like stabilization of a tumbling asteroid, so Elon can mine the fuck out of it, but less delusional than his Mars colony… whom will have no better transportation option (for both individuals and small cargo logistics)… monopolize local delivery across all platforms {okay, it’s a stretch but the self-driving/self-navigation robot/drones are far from being viable and the gyrowheel concept would be more profitable at every stage of its development when compared to other proposed delivery systems… {the military logistics applications alone are worth billions, but that’s point: scalability is unencumbered and the target audience becomes limited to everyone who has the capability to stand upright against a gentle breeze, whether your drunk or have Parkinson’s or are adog being transported to daycare. Hybrid “Gyros” EUCs will eliminate city congestion, eliminate parking scarcity, nearly eliminate accidents and the need for insurance or financial industry services… one more curious side effect if you’ve read this far… when an earthquake shakes the city, all operating Gyros can stabilize their riders while absorbing the regenerative energy provided by the motion of the earthquake itself! And 100% of it is existing technology already in service across several industries. Now, all we need to do is demand what’s already possible. Gyro Monowheels just might eliminate the need for school buses, escalators and valet parking… it could also solve help delay species extinction by freeing up both human and machines to focus on rebuilding as new Society out of the ashes of Western Civilizations collapse. {Sorry, the Gyro can not prevent WW3 but it will be essential infrastructure in its aftermath. Any future (without a Gyro) simply won’t be worthy of our existence. These demands are non-negotiable (which means that just like Artificial Intelligence, non-participation is Corporate suicide so we can expect an accelerating growth curve. {EUCs: the vehicle Revolution brought to us by the failure of Intellectual Property, the failure of Corporate finance capitalism, and the failure of the privatization of public transportation. Long live the Gyro-Revolution! … if we could just get it started. ❤

What did you see that was incorrect?

@Wheel Good Time Example. You say the Commander Pro Max uses parts from the Master Pro and Commander Pro. And then you say the wheel won't be popular, so getting parts to fix the Max will be difficult. Why isn't 100 Volt enough for most people. I see videos of people jumping the Kingsong S18. So even 84 Volt should be enough for most people. 134 volt is great, but specifications do not tell the whole story. Veteran has proven multiple times, it can do more with less voltage and less wattage. Kingsong has proven they can do less with better specifications. Still love my S22, but it's got to go. I find it also very weird that you compare the Begode Extreme, a wheel for hardcore single track and big jumps, with a casual city-wheel, the S19. Patton is on the way. Begode Extreme will replace my S22 eventually.

I guess we'll see about the CPro Max - the motor/rim appear to be from the Master Pro with lots of other pieces taken from the CPro, but either way this wheel was already stated that it will not be mass produced and will be special order-only, so I don't see how this could possibly be a commercial success when the company isn't even committed to its success. The Sherman S is a very nice EUC that is well-made, but when you look at its price tag compared to the wheel's weight and the fact that the rest of the market is 126v+, it still lags behind in that aspect. It is sort of funny to think that just a few years ago, 100v was a huge, exciting development and now it's "old news". The s19 was compared to the Extreme because they are similarly priced, but the extreme packs in far more features than the S19, such as comparability with aftermarket pads. It's hard to give it a true comparable because there are no other modern 18" EUCs on the market, so I'd have to compare it to either a 20" like the S22 (or Master), or a 16" like the Extreme. Either way I just don't see how the price is justified on the S19 when comparing it to the competition's offerings. The S19 just seems lost - like they can't decide if they want it to be a jumper wheel or a city wheel. If it's a jumper/trail wheel, then they should have aftermarket pad-compatible sides to lock your foot in. If it's a city commuter, they should have increased it's top speed capability. Thanks for your feedback, my crystal ball 🔮 is broken so I can't tell what the future holds. I think you made a good decision going with the extreme and patton though. 🙂

@Wheel Good Time S19 is a city wheel. It has never been advertised as a jumper. The S19 has more features, like safety alarms, the ability to check a cell voltage etc. People seem to like rgb and a light equaliser. That is information you are withholding. People like those features. Why should the Commander Pro Max be a commercial success? The Ex wasn't a succes, the Hero wasn't a succes, the EX20s wasn't a succes. But these wheels were very important for the development of the Master range and the EX30.

9:58 The Begode extreme is a 16-inch wheel, not an 18-inch wheel

interesting perspective - but I don't understand why we should use nominal voltage as our point of reference when we consistently charge to the maximum voltage? If we only charged to the nominal voltage, then we'd be stuck at around what our EUCs show as maybe 50% battery.

@@WheelGoodTime this is not a perspective, this is FACT. Look at electric scooters, all of them are using nominal voltage. Only EUC's are using maximum voltage, because 100V looks much better than 88V. Why is nominal voltage the number to use? Download datasheet of any Li-IOn cell ussually there is also procedure how the capacity is measured. They charge the cell to 4,2V (100%) and discharging it by constant current to 2,5V (0%). If this current is 5000 mA and take 1h to discharge the cell the capacity is measured as 5000 mAh. And the average voltage during this cycle is 3,7V (the discharge curve of the voltage is not linear) and yes it is 50% of charge. Interesting fact is also that higher discharge current you use the lower capacity you will get, because of the internal resistance of the cell (P = I2 . R) which will waste the energy. Anyway 4,2V is nonsense to use for any calculation because it drops inmediatelly while draining the current from the cell.

Sure, why not. I stand by my predictions and opinions, but you are allowed to have your opinions too, so fire away.

@@WheelGoodTime Commander pro max! I agree its a great wheel,looks awesome I disagree to all the negatives you said because It isnt released officialy, I think you shouldn't even open an eye to it and just ignore it because, begode lets you buy or orrder custom electric unicycles if you bulk buy(similar to rols Roy's just with no bulk buy) S19 I agree maybe the price is slightly high, but kingsong will be forced to lower it I disagree, thats its a piece of shit It's ment as a upgrade for the all an beloved s18, Everything about it is upgraded next to s18 .(reminder s18 was a great wheel because it was nimble had suspension and was fun to ride, minus was lack of power) Another fact is that kingsong is trying to save machine's because as in Electric Dreams review it was seen that it shares many parts similar to s22 Which is great unlike shermanS and patton haveing incompatible pedals. As I said i didn't and won't whach video till end, but assuming wheels in general, Is fine till you put it in a video which is gonna exist after the wheels are released. Im saying that there's gonna be new people in future that are gonna youtube search reviews on s19, extreme others and they find this negative vibe video, they gonna not buy it even if the wheel come out being the best out there.

Have you seen the back end on the extreme? Lol s19 looks great