Too bad you did'nt do this after riding each wheel, as ride ability ( stability, balance, stance etc) and firmware application has huge input here, I think these specs you are using to judge the wheels are only half the picture.
Thanks. Good review of specs and I learned some things I didn't know (Extreme's high torque, waterproof motor), but I would hold off on awarding "the crown" until they have been ridden - especially when considering suspension setups. And if I wanted a wheel now, I might go with the safe bet, the Patton, rather than being a beta tester for Begode's V1 wheels. That said, at 77 pounds and super-high torque, that Extreme is looking interesting.
Begode seems to always have the best specs and looks but their QC issues are just too risky imo. Risk of cutout due to bad QC in traffic could be deadly or it exploding and taking your house down is just not the risk I'm willing to take. Will have to settle on KS or Patton
They haven't had any fire or major cutout issues for a few years now - their QC has improved significantly since they had a bunch of backlash for their issues in the past...But I understand why so many people are afraid to trust them after their checkered past.
@@WheelGoodTime a few years? Hm, I've only gotten into euc this summer and everyone always says begode is unreliable. I've seen some videos too. Has it really been years since they had issues? I'm happy to change my mind but like my local euc providers told me to stay away from begode lol. And my dad is from a different European country and been told the same thing by completely different euc company too... It's like everyone says that when you ask about it. I guess I'll look into it more in my own free time but yea it worries me
@@Berniz123 they continue to have fires from their old wheels but haven't had any major fire/reliability issues since at least ~2021 and beyond. inmotion has actually accounted for the largest portion of repairs for a certain unnamed retailer. But it's hard to shed that reputation when fires from their old wheels continue to happen.
@@WheelGoodTime okay that's interesting, so no issues with models from 2021? That's a good pointer I can look into stuff from there on. Thanks! Yea I was looking at inmotion v12 but saw it had so many issues I changed my mind lol
Great reviews. I’m confused as to why the Extreme didn’t use hydraulic shocks instead of their spring loaded upright struts in hybrid (this is a lost opportunity (imho); sure the Extreme is 5# lighter because of this but the Cadillac ride feel will suffer. Patton and Commander Mini look like fair contenders but I’ll be waiting for the Inmotion Adventurer (batch 3) before making the decision. Batch 1 is out this fall. ❤
as a esk8 guy, and now a euc guy, i learned that testing them out for a little while is the most important.. i can hear all the differences and similarities on paper, and none of it matters until u actually ride the wheel. i remember thinking the Sherman s is gunna be better than the V13 but the ex30 was gonna feel this and that. and the master this and that. and finally got to the Commander Pro and LOVED IT. Regardless of the bad talk, i didnt care. cuz just like with a new eboard, its personal preference.
My very next video talks about your concerns ("in 2023 is Begode able to be trusted to not make explosive EUCs?"), should be released in the next day or so. 😀
Bravo, on this comparison! In the other sized wheels by manufacturers, it’s obvious they are trying to figure it out, but in this size category manufacturers seem to be fully committed and decisive of how to spec them. I am a fan of this size, because of the adaptability advantages. With your interview with Inmotion CEO, I am convinced the Inmotion Adventure with the V13 tech, improved suspension, and swappable batteries will be a monster. I will wait to see if Inmotion makes good on their promises. If Inmotion fails, I will run to the Extreme for the water resistance edge. Thanks
I bought s19 pro finally. Love the wheel I did 2,6 K Km on it so far. No problems but I am not a hard user. Frame of this wheel is not plastic - front handle, base of motherboard, battery case are metal and it is one part which makes a frame of this wheel. Plastic are just external staff like light, motherboard cover and finishing. This wheel is fast, very stable ( I did not experienced even slightest wobble ). The only downside are fixed power pads. You need adjust to it but it will never be extreme off-road wheel because of it. It is just comfortable city wheel. Oh and the seat is with the wheel. It is possible to ride seated.
Thanks for the well informed video. I have been wanting to get a begode wheel for some time but i have always been taken back by their quality reputation. I have experience with leauperkim and inmotion so far. In your experience with begode wheels do you think this is a good time to buy a begode?
I personally would. It appears to me that Begode has learned from their mistakes in the past and is trying to listen to their customers. The Extreme is definitely a hardcore trail rider's dream wheel.
How do you not have any more subs? These reviews are great and straight to the point. Compared to eevee’s, electric dreams or wrong way, I definitely like your format better.. thank you!
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Commander mini has a 16 inch wheel or? But great Video. I want buy the Commander mini but its not avaible in Europa in the moment. Now i will buy the begode extreme=> bms is important. Thx for the Info. By from Vienna.
By comparison to the others, yes. 🙂 I released that video prior to the S19 being released to the public. As the early reviews came out, it turned out I was right about it too!
Something not mentioned about the Patton's built in foot pad. While it is adjustable and can be taken off if you want to put some full Clark pads on, the drawback is removing it also removes your front bumper pegs. You could take off just the toe grip with the wing nut, but the mount for it would probably still be in the way.
So true, ngl, I didn't get that far, I just commented from that point until I saw the power to weight category, & I was like oh, haha! Ever since S20/22 I have no clue what king song is doing anymore, like when they make a S22 in shiny gold, I kinda felt they were insulting riders somehow, but I gotta get one, that gold 😬 bling bling lol!
I haven't double checked since I posted this video, but at least they initially announced that it would have 130mm of suspension travel. They also switched it upright before launch and put in air shocks instead of coils as well.
I think it's fair to say that at least some level of waterproofing is a must for all EUCs, from here on out 😊 I'm glad they are, in general, all moving in that direction.
There should be percentage in each category because the power and stand are not equally preferred to choose by the user. e.g. power = 30% battery = 30% stand = 5% ...
Why does the author talk about the supposedly plastic frame of the S19? It has the same metal base frame as everyone else - just plastic panels are hung on the outside for beauty and streamlining. S19 is not fragile at all, only the outer plastic panels will suffer on impact and that's it.
@@WheelGoodTime , S18 is made according to exactly the same scheme - a steel base frame, steel cases for battery assemblies, and only plastic panels on the outside (only for decorative purposes). The S22 (S22 Pro) is arranged in the same way. When dropped or bumped, only the plastic gets damaged, and the rigid frame remains unscathed. You are confusing with the old unsuspended models - 16X or 18XL, but this is completely different here.
S19 hasthe same lame 1/10 slider system as the S20/22. Complete design failure 😞 … practically worthless for longevity or maintenance. The rest of the design decisions look compromised as well. 😢
I keep asking everyone I can… but I want to get into this without having to upgrade, so I know that none of these will be the best to learn on, but I want to have a single purchase. My question is… which would be the best option for 300lbs+ rider? I do plan on working on my weight, but for now, the EUC I choose will have to handle that weight.
Any of these can handle your weight. The trick is: with the hydraulic suspension types, you can select two different suspension weight options (on the Patton) and neither would be particularly suitable for a 300 lbs rider. HOWEVER with a coil or air suspension type, as long as you have the correct size shock, you can replace it with any aftermarket coil shock that you want. The important part of that is to select the correct spring weight - go with something heavier. For example, Begode master pro's come with substandard air shocks. But you can replace that shock with a coil shock that matches you weight (and the wheel's weight). It might be a bit of a guessing game though. I just bought a 1350 lbs coil shock for my master pro, but they potentially get all the way up to 1500 lbs. Many people with masters tend to get 1000 lbs coil shocks (since they are a bit lighter weight).
So I’d be much better off going with the larger EUC? Like, a Sherman over the Patton? I was looking at the Patton, thinking it could take a beating better, when I inevitably crash hard, practicing.
@@andyackerman7123 yes, the shock matters quite a bit. I think the Sherman S would probably be a good option. Your first wheel will definitely take a beating no matter which one you choose. For example, I'd suggest getting the 66 lbs option if you got the Sherman S. If you get a spring suspension EUC, then you may want to change the spring shock out on day 1 for something beefier. If you go with a ln air shock, just pump the PSI higher (within safe limits of course).
Most wheels are rated just around the 300 lbs mark some 330, i highly recommend lososing some first. You might find a wheel you can ride and if you change the shock it helps alot but this doesnt change how much power the motor will draw moving you around on it. Id love you to ride one but for your own saftey consider the advice. You will be upset if something breaks or you fall and get hurt.
The S19 doesn't belong in this category of wheels. It has a 14" rim while all the others have 12" rims. The forthcoming Inmotion Adventure would have been more appropriate...but a lot of the specs are still unconfirmed.
I was wrong - I'm not sure where that number came from now - I think it was the originally quoted weight when they first announced it. I ended up ordering an extreme though 🙂
18 inch? I'm getting fed up with these way too fast, arm stretching heavy, motorcycle gear needing EUC's. Get back at me when there is something that's 14 inch or less with suspension.
The weight isn't in the tire size. It's in the motor and a little in the battery. The Ninebot One E+ is 16" and only 14 kilo. Only 3 kilo heavier then the 14" Ninebot One S2. The motor is what matters most. More watt means more copper and magnets.
A lot of those wheels weren't yet available at publishing time, so I did what I could with the information that I had. Largely it was all still accurate, but the Patton has proven to have tons of torque, despite having a lower voltage rating, so that turned out to be a bit of a surprise.
One thing I'm intrigued by with the patton is the fact that it has the front and rear bars, potentially allowing for a raised seat to be attached like with the OG shermans. Might need to get fancy if you want a system that lets you use the trolley handle as well, but I think the potential is there for a good seated riding experience. It seems like it's going to be a wildly popular wheel so I bet we'll see some cool aftermarket doodads.
I have an aftermarket seat on my Patton and I love it. One thing this review does not mention, for whatever reason, is agility. In my mind, the commander mini and Patton offer a superior experience, having ridden both in off road Colorado situations. Really trust my Patton. Also, I would really not trust the scoring on hydraulic suspension here. No idea why this is rated this way. I disagree
@@WheelGoodTime Not trying to be a douche, but yes, it is a 16 inch wheel. Wheels are NOT measured by the bulk of the tire. To be honest this has already been explained many times in videos and from vets. The inmotion v12 high speed and ht are both 16 inch wheels regardless of the fact the HT knobbys give the tire a larger circumference. The v12 HT is the exact same tire size as the Patton. Hsiang and Mrelwood both have videos talking about this. If you put a H666 tire on the Patton it becomes 16 inches according to your logic.
Rider weight matters indeed - but the wheel's power is strongly influenced by the weight of the wheel as well. An 80 lbs EUC will accelerate dramatically faster than a 120 lbs EUC, if all other factors/specs were the same. A 140ish lbs racer won a major race (AVS, I think?) on a 100v EXN vs the second place 160ish lbs racer on a 134v master - so they are correlated 🙂
The two Begode wheels have yet to prove themselves at not being fire bombs yet, we'll see how good or bad they are when there's more than one of them in the wild. I'd say wait a few months for reviews to come in, but both of them will be discontinued and replaced with 7 new models in that time. Better buy two so you have some spare parts lying around. I'm sure they'll be a ton of fun though. Nominal motor power really doesn't mean anything, the S22 went from 3300W to 4000W with no change in performance at all. Sustainable peak output is all that matters and will require testing for all of them. The Patton is mostly fine but it has a preference of destroying itself vs cutting out in over voltage situations, because fuses are hard to figure out I guess. I don't think the trolley handle on the S19 will prevent seated riding at all, it would still be pretty easy to attach a seat onto it while still being able to flip the handle up to trolley around. I can imagine it being the best of the bunch for convenience. Though the built in pads will probably prevent comfortable seated riding anyways. We'll see how removable they are, cant imagine there's anything important in them. The S19 would have been my favorite of the bunch, but the current price is just ridiculous for a wheel that offers nothing new over the last generation of 100v wheels. And that's just the introductory price, it will be increasing after release.
Your comment about the Extreme not having proven itself as a fire bomb yet has inspired me to discuss specifically that in my next video, to be released in the next few days. 🙂
