The Best Connector EVER? - Thunderbolt 5 

its just USB with normal naming

Just you wait until they release Thunderbolt 5.1 gen 1

@@casvandijk03 lol

Unfortunately it ends there. As a standard thunderbolt has deteriorated heavily as intel removes restrictions from it, and there’s no guarantee that any given feature will be working on any given implementation of thunderbolt.

Let's see 😂​@@jackconrad4814

Linus was ranting about this 4 years ago, lol

I don't care until USB 4v2 Gen 3x2 comes out.

​@@googlesucks6029 USB 4²+3×2 USB 22 basically. 😂

They learned counting from the French (looking at you, quatre-vingt-dix).

they do it on purpose at this point lol

My thoughts exactly. A new connection type is great, but reliability is still regrettably far behind. That's what needs work on, a better "Plug-and-Play" experience. I'm willing to bet that the company I work for would be more likely to adopt thunderbolt if it has better, well established protocols.

I feel like I can see clearly the future thunderbolt 5 and up provides. chiefly being the death of the displayport just like vga was killed by hdmi

@@haloquayle in my line of testing, although display port only provides video, it is significantly more reliable than thunderbolt.

VGA

with 80gbps on a phone you could dock pcie 16x and run triple a titles if the OS supported it, so yeah we do need it.

Well it started ok with USB 1, usb 2 and usb 3. Could be better, but nowadays no-one knows wtf spec is what or what cable they have, or even what their devices support. They f* up big time. Yes I understand it's more complex than that, but if they can't simplify it to the point your average retired person understands, then it isn't good enough.

Downside of this is that everybody do their ports and cables as they like. Cables especially. Some only charge,other charge and send data l, about data speeds not mentioning.

​@@123Andersonevphone SOCs would need an extra 16 lanes of PCIe just for the USB port just on the off-chance someone might wanna game on it, that's not free

@@HolarMusic way cheaper than having to buy two or three devices.

Give it a few months. There will be ten different versions.

“And Knuckles“ got me haha.

Usb 420 v69 ultra pro max plus

yes they can but then it will be much more expensive to have one with thunderbolt port since it is licensed, that means every manufacturer needs to pay to use thunderbolt.

USB has to be configurable for it to be a universal port. There's a reason why the minimum specs are so low. Phones don't need 80gbps or 240w, so manufacturers would be spending extra money on nothing. Imagine something even more mundane like a baby monitor or port on a controller. What USB really needs are clear marketing guidelines that have to be strictly followed.

@@jeevana.6391 and yet android users are making so much noise about Apple lightning port.

Gaming laptops in future? I’m sure handhelds will destroy gaming laptops and no one will use those

@@z0rden_ I say this as a big steam deck fan (my spouse and I both have one): there is no comparison between it and a gaming laptop. they're trying to do entirely different things and I think someone who wants a high-end gaming laptop won't truly consider a handheld for the job

@@z0rden_ handhelds will never be able to destroy gaming laptops from the same generation. That’s just physics. A laptop will always have more power and thermal capacity than a handheld giving it the edge in terms of performance. Not to forget, you can’t use a handheld to take notes in class, atleast not comfortably.

​​@@z0rden_those words are the same words from long time ago "laptops and tablets will absolutely destroy PCs". Yes laptops are more popular than PCs right now, but the claim " destroy"? Not even close. The performance of laptops are now getting close to desktop PCs, but never same. They are have its own target. Don't even try to assume they are the same class.

@@1Skillet2 steam deck uses zen 2 apu and its just beginning z1 cpus have a ps4 power and its evolving more and more (ryzen 8000 apus will get rdna 3.5,gaafet etc etc) I know gaming laptops will get the same thing but people will say “two of them can play games,then I’m getting handheld because of portability” two of them small two of them portable thats why they wont be same as pc gaming but handhelds will kill laptops in portable gaming

I better hope so. The max length of TB is pretty low

Idk about using fibre for cable, it would be a hassle to carry since it can't be bend

@@FireWyvern870 modern USB or HDMI or anything cables can't be bent more than an optical cable without them dying anyway

@@talibong9518 fibreglass can crack, copper don't.

​@@FireWyvern870VR has been using hybrid fibre/copper cables for years in headsets. Just look at the oculus link cable, pimax hybrid cable or equivalents, and they twist like hell and still work. Frankly, they're lighter and thinner than copper cables and are also more durable.

USB needs to be spanked hard into getting a normal requirement

USB C is the connector port type. USB 2.0, USB 3 (I’m not listing all versions), USB 4, thunderbolt is the speed of the transfer of data and the various protocols used to do things like daisy chain displays. USB C comparison are USB A (what you think of as traditional USB) USB B, USB micro, USB mini, lightning.

anything before is just as confusing

Which means that the USB consortium will call it USB 3.5.4 v3

Where is the EU when you need it

That's mostly what USB 4.0 is. some of the high end stuff is optional but on handhelds it's normal to see full USB 4 support like using an external GPU (excluding the Steam Deck and ROG ally). I'm currently using a GPD G1 external GPU (AMD 7600 XT mobile) it's pretty good performance and works much better with less issues than thunderbolt 3 external gpus.

The USB forum has looser terms as more devices use the standard USB standard. Any USB connector or cord can optionally use thunderbolt 5 standards.

​@@peppi0304 Miracles take time, patience!

You mean usb5v2x2?

@@jordanwardle11 you mean USB5.1v3Gen4ProUltra

@@talibong9518USB ultra giga Promax, v6.6.1 with cinnadust (tm) rated at 90kiloshits per megafarts

USB6, This Time For Sure

I'd rather see them not be fragile pieces of crap... But it's an Apple patent anyway, what it REALLY deserves is to abandoned by consumers. Sadly Apple's sycophants have a severe masochism kink when it comes to their wallets and ability to receive respect from people who use their damn brains to THINK... They love to be hated and ripped off, I simply don't get it...

Yepp i wish they made it in twisted pair just like ethernet cable, that way they can travel a long distance

@@siontheodorus1501 Shielded twisted pair ethernet cables can go a fair distance yeah. Now those cables are also thicker than the ones you will buy for at home and home users seem to want cables then will not be as thick as the power cable to their monitor for each cable the connect to the back of their computer. Data integrity is usually better with shielded twisted pair ethernet when compared to twisted pair ethernet in the came category of cable thus why shielded twisted pair cables is the version used for longer copper ethernet cables. For thunderbolt cables well try to explain to a person why the cable for thunderbolt is as thick as a power cable as it will have to hold 24 wires. All 24 wires will have to have a 99.999% signal integrity the 0.001% is acceptable signal lose over distance and thus why the command signal for it to resend the last signal exists. You can use the same connector but the signal loss will most likely be at each end when it has to terminate into USB-C. Mostly we got away from thick cables as the thick cables that were made to preserve signal integrity also got stiff over time. The signals did not suffer just the cable got stiff which if it is what is picking up whatever's in the environment instead of allowing it to get close to the wires that is good. The thing is it also will cost most to have the thicker cables and most consumers do not want to pay more.

Web search "active" Thunderbolt cables. I have an older 15 meter TB2 cable, worked great. They have them for TB3+ as well. Prepare to pay some cash for it, however.

​@@siontheodorus1501It's not just because of the cable itself, but also how ethernet data is encoded. They wouldn't be able to get the same performance just running the USB protocol. That's why USB over ethernet requires specific equipment to convert it, which isn't practical. USB4 is based off PCIe protocols. Think about the trouble with signals that people have with riser cables - this is similar. This doesn't mean that we won't be able to have long cables, we'll just have to use optical cables.

Thanks for the clarification, I care

@@bootchoo96 +1

thunderbolt 4 max is 140w

@@ameknite It's not though. Intel's site specifies 100w. As does every reputable source. Google it. Or try plugging in a 140w Apple charger to a MBP without using magsafe. It will cap at 100w. Where do you get your info? RU-vid comments?

yes. thats what i thought as well.

Because apples processing is to fast for the cords to handle

Price

get gpd g1 and gpd win max then....... i use that now, u cna 4k gaming with freaking handheld, no need to sync different devices

one day bro, one day!

You mean like 16:9, the default aspect ratio for web? Yeah, hat off I guess...

​@@Donnironononits actually a bit wider than 16:9

Ackthually...

FireWire was running on its own separate bus and chipset, so CPU load didn’t effect transfer speeds like it with USB. Daisy chaining devices was a great feature, and FireWire also carried 12v instead of 5v which was outstanding. I’ve still got at least a dozen FW devices in use between work and home.

@@insaneiaq true

For 240 Watts you will need 5 Amps at 48 V. Laptop batteries are usually 12-20V. DC-DC converters that can convert 48V down to 20 V or even 12 V (at 20 Amps!) are costly and large. Also the batteries might not even be allowed that much charging and the device might not need the power so why implement it. A wire must just have low enough resistance and thats it so its pretty simple to do.

@@ianmcchickenlover3704 actually you get close to 230 watts on Lenovo legion laptops and other gaming laptops as well! They use barrel pins though, if that can do it than why can't type c both are dc right!

@@_BlackSpectrum Both are DC, the barrel jacks are usually much closer to the battery voltage at higher currents to start with. The larger the gap between the output voltage and the input voltage of a converter the more expensive and inefficient it gets. Its also that they are just now starting to use 48V (for 240W) on USB c instead of the 20V (for 100W) that current USB chargers use. The current USB C can handle stays the same at 5 Amps, they are just upping the Voltage rating.

@@ianmcchickenlover3704 oh ok, gotcha, so the barrel pin can take high currents so it's voltage can stay 20v but type c only support max 5amps so they up the voltage to 48v to support 240 w charging, yes? Thanks 👍🏻

@@_BlackSpectrum Yes

intel loves a bit of power consumption

Ugh, that sounds like some nonsense driver issues. That's why *I'm glad I'm on Linux:* instead of having buggy, inconsistent support for the latest tech, we just don't have support for it at all. (is joke)

if you got a free m.2 slot you can get the m.2 to oculink adapter deal, It will run a external gpu at near full speed. It blows the Thunderdump away..

Slow data speeds got you STUCK in a rut?…

Now there’s a product that’s going places!

There's still overhead from the external nature of GPUs

No. That would mean a 300x power increase of what the best usb c charger can do rn. You can't push that power through such tiny pins without a fire starting.

HDMI has a handshake protocol so that it knows the capability of the device it's plugged into for DRM, you could theoretically do it with thunderbolt but would probably introduce latency.

Yes