The Best Game Development Frameworks 

PureBasic, FreeBasic (and other basics with immediate drawing)

I am not a fan of Lua but i do like the way that Defold does things in Lua, which seems to be quite different than most lua projects. Defold is more of a game engine though, not a framework.

Excellent timestamping deserving of greater recognition.

Thank you for this timestamp!

Java have LWJGL, but its a library not framework

Heheh you fixed his oversight, Kha is haxe and he accidentally included it in the category after, C++ 3D. It's low level 3D and 2D, GPU based.

Thank you.

This brings me back to college days when we all thought windows phone was the next big thing, and that it would kill android and iOS.

Ok... those Nokia windows phones were the absolute bomb and they should have easily competed with Android and iOS. Just like the Zune was 10x better than the iPod of the day. These are two Microsoft tech failures that hurt to this day!

@@gamefromscratch Don't forget Bing! (heh. heh.)

@@gamefromscratchThey really do, because making something multi-platform that'll target Xbox but also target an iOS phone is pretty rough even to this day.

Did you know Ray used XNA as a guide to making raylib.

Big fan of LÖVE here, first picked it up when I got a little handheld console (Clockwork Pi), and it was lovely to use. Once I'd wrapped my head around meta-tables/methods, I loved working with Lua!

Yeah, LÖVE (as they say on their website) is awesome... though the only time I've ever used it beyond doing a few tutorials was in the LÖVE Game Jam 2022. That was a trial-by-fire, but as a PHP web dev I really appreciated the simple code-only approach after a couple of years using Godot and GameMaker. I was really pleased with what I did in the end, even though it was basically a glorified clicker game god-sim with a nice interface but hardly any animation. So I hold LÖVE dear to my heart, even if I've never used it again... yet.

Is it fast and is it flexible to port? Explanations would be appreciated. Btw my first language is Lua but I never try LÖVE due to, _I assume,_ you have to build everything by yourself.

@@ultimaxkom8728 I'm not sure what you mean about porting, in any engine it would mean you will have to adapt all logic into the new system. Performance is unlikely to be a concern, as LÖVE uses LuaJIT which, as the name suggests, uses a Just-In-Time compiler, which compiles your Lua code into native code to be executed directly by the processor. I think to address your last concern I should explain what frameworks like LÖVE really include. Basically, they manage a lot of boilerplate and provide you with functionality to load assets, draw things, play sounds, etc. but there is not much that is *opinionated*. What this means is that you have both the opportunity and the duty to choose how you want for example rendering to work. You don't say "add a sprite in this position in some game world" with the engine rendering it every frame; rather, every frame, you say "render this sprite in this position". Of course, there are built-in physics libraries and community-made UI, state machine and other libraries so you don't have to do everything yourself, but they are all just modules that you can optionally use, and often provide their functionality in complete isolation from everything else. (btw this is why I call Bevy as a whole an engine, it's very opinionated with entity hierarchy systems and UI frameworks and PBR pipelines and what not)

It was the "I don't know" interjection that got me rolling

It is a one man project last I checked. It's a great little editor that does all kinds of stuff. Awesome (and inexpensive) product.

I was just checking it yesterday. Phaser is kinda complicated to get set up for beginners, and this editor is a life saver. And it costs like 2 dollars a month

@@95mcqueen5 Yeah, it's great. I'm using it professionally as we speak. There are a bunch of "gotchas" for devs coming from other engines. I have a list of helpful tips I have been maintaining for a while. Some of these are lifesavers. docs.google.com/document/d/1a6nTFRyg_GY5McOxkV79g7mPzbjQpGSoyTFPsSEafkw/edit?usp=sharing

@@95mcqueen5 Yeah, it's great. I have a curated list of helpful tips for Unity devs switching to phaser. I hope this is useful to someone. docs.google.com/document/d/1a6nTFRyg_GY5McOxkV79g7mPzbjQpGSoyTFPsSEafkw/edit?usp=sharing

It may be clean but Factorio developers hate it with passion xD If you are interested why - google something like "Factorio Alegro" or "Factorio changing engine".

Now all we need is games developed inside a game.

@@brodriguez11000 Like Super Mario Maker or the Hypixel Minecraft server? But my dream game does have an unlockable pseudoscriptung language that should be able to make games. One of several ways I plan to have user-generated content.

Is irrlicht still being maintained? I used irrlicht 10 years ago, even created a level editor with it. Haven't check it out for years.

Bevy will have an editor eventually.

There is a lot of discusion about what the editor should be. However, the ui is already in place, though is currently being upgraded to be better. The, "it shouldnt have an ui by default", quote isn't right, the closest I've seen is a short comment thread where some people say that it shouldn't have an editor by default, which I agree with. It has alwas been a pick and chose engine and that should include the editor.

@@awdsqe123 yeah i remembered the quote wrong, edited the comment.

I'm really interested to see what that editor looks like: I'm really hoping they *don't* try to squeeze the ECS system into a Unity/Unreal/Godot/everything else style object tree and property panel.

agree, writing the code is still the best. avoid frustration to unresolvable problem in node based programming.

Looking back, I did do Python kinda dirty in general, didnt I?

he mentioned it

I remember IrrLicht, but honestly I thought it was dead, with Nikolaus Gebhardt moving on to other projects.

Great news then... gamefromscratch.com/gamedev-for-complete-beginners-tutorial-series/ At some point I'm going to hit a point where I've done a video on everything gamedev related, aren't I? ;)

@@gamefromscratch It would be a great achievement.

For what it seems, ORX is fully "data driven", where Bevy seems more "data oriented"

@adamdee9671 Could be, I really don't remember. It's was back around 2010 I think... Either way, I've made other games on Java as well, even back on VB4. LOL But mostly card games, memory, stuff like that. But I never published anything... And I should. I believe I still should have good part of them... Perhaps I create a blog, who knows. Should be interesting.

I thought i was the only one that caught that - the delivery was pure genius 😂

Editors are useful mainly to create levels and serialize data for them. If you have a workflow for code, like procedural generation, then editor is not that much needed.

@@NeZversSounds all I know is that I can't focus when their is too many user interfaces, I can barely use Blender despite knowing it for almost a decade and yet when I use Mine Imator which is an animation software that is incredibly barebones and I can model and animate anything on it

100% @NezversSounds. For some games, like as you said procedural generated ones, the editor and the level/scene workflow they force upon you can be a massive pain in the butt. In these cases a framework can often be a much better choice.

@@gamefromscratchthanks man, so framework it is, I'll try them all out on what you covered in this video

Same, it's what got me really deep into programming in general. My first language at university was Java so it was a natural step. That was so many years ago though, I just feel like I want to tinker with it again.

The best? I don't know, but a good one to consider and check for Mac is ORX, and already ARM ready too.

Agree! Let me fix that: * Pygame * Panda3D * Ren'py

I wouldn't say great. It's very confused on the C# side due to having two entirely separate projects for bindings, each implementing some things the other don't. And you can't use them both. And very few of the extensions (raygui, raudio, etc) have bindings so if you want to use them you have to build your own bindings which is way out of scope for most people.

@@Clawthorne yeah that’s fair. I have run into all of those issues now that you mention it. Maybe I’m optimistic!

@@ar_xiv raylib is almost a perfect library ngl

Raylib is in there. Panda, and all Python frameworks arent (mostly as an oversight)

SFML is number 2 ;)

@@gamefromscratch Print ( " Ops !... " ) 😁

It's a bit older but. gamefromscratch.com/fantasy-console-development/

Is IrrLicht still developed? I thought it was pretty much abandoned at this point.

@@gamefromscratch The last update was almost 2 years ago.

@@Ariemeth Which makes it newer than Allegro :D

@@SylvanFeanturi Fair point and sad.

I believe you can - On its main page - i think it breaks down using other JVMs including Kotlin, Scala and Clojure.

Isn't it closed source and from Adobe? ;-)

@@igorthelight So ?

@@amateurdeveloper Some people could look at it and ask "why bother?". On a plus side, I heard that it feels very like good old Flash ;-)

@@igorthelight Yeah may be! It's also a good place to start learning game programming.

Kotlin is a choice with LibGDX ;-)

Yes. It can do 3D.

It's an artificial construct I adhered to to make the video work. As said in the video, the line is grey and blurry and highly arbitrary. But there is no better way to describe "a collection of game development libraries without an editor, but with more functionality than a general purpose or single purpose library, but with less tooling than a large game engine", so "framework" it is.