Ran into some editing issues, so this took longer to release. To clarify on Rellana's, so I don't get another comment about it isn't bugged. I should've said it's an oversight. They wanted each weapon to have 2 damage types, but they balanced its attack like both blades had 3 damage types.
Does this mean I can run a faith Dex build with a left hand rellana’s and right hand flame are milady without getting hindered by not meeting intelligence requirements?
@@jonathancastillo6433yes, but you wont be able to use the weapon art properly. If youre only using one of the swords, you only need the physical requirements and either the faith or int requirements respectively.
I remember back in DS1, that the animations for R1s and R2s actually had some flow if you alternated between them. Obviously no where near as fluid as the light greatswords in Elden Ring, but I always thought it was a bit odd that in later games the R1s and R2s weren't as smooth as they used to be
@@TheValiantBobin fact ds3 has the same exact fluidity with AOWs. For the straight sword you can skip the stance animation entirely when chaining light attacks into AOW, the same is for stamp, charge forth and spinning slash. For some reason FS decided to remove this mechanic 🤷♂️
There's also a tech where if you time your two handed jumping light attack just as your feet hit the ground, your next attack will be the crouch attack instead of the usual light attack chain. It's good for mixups in pvp, but kinda hard to pull off.
Rellana's Twin Blades having the damage they do (magic on one and fire on the other) is intentional. The left sword is enchanted with Messerflame and the LGS in the right hand is of Carian make, thus fire and magic damage respectively.
That's also why you can do an offhand attack with just the left hand. So you can do the power stance or choose a damage type with the individual sword attacks. It's not very practical, but the design from a gameplay/lore standpoint is really cool imo
@@StuffyMcI agree with this. It just needs a damage buff so that the individual swords can perform more like comparable weapons. If the Skill buffed the swords with royal magic and Messmer flame respectively, that would be perfect!
The moment I saw Rellana's I had immediate flashbacks to people using the Dancer's twin blades in DS3, It was always a massive noob trap because the Triple damage type gave the weapon AR that looks great but seriously underperforms. I kinda wish they'd just get rid of the Defense calculations entirely and just keep Absorption, as Defense feels so crippling on so many weapons, even if I understand why they chose to implement it. Also wooo quad stat scaling! Still look fantastic though.
Defense is reasonable but what they could do is instead of making split damage go through it multiple times, split the defense too. If your weapon does 50% fire damage, it only contends with 50% of the target's Defense. If it does 20% fire damage, it only goes through 20% of the target's fire Defense, something like that. Or maybe just do the defense % reduction calculation against the combined damage of the attack, or something like that.
@@Silver_Lloyd I suspect there might be issues with the current implementation in defining what an "entire attack" is but it could even be time based and now care about whether it's one attack or multiple and whatever.
I don't feel like Rellana's swords are bugged with the damage types, since the Dancer's twin swords in DS3 worked the same way. Still a massive bummer though.
I have such a hard time playing with other weapon classes now after these came out. Would love to see you cover the combination of golden epitaph with leda’s sword and the holy damage per hit synergizing with each missile of the AoW
Really love the heavy -> light chain on these, as well as being able to use the quick rolling r1 and immediately move into another attack. Found a lot of good windows during DLC bosses' attacks that I could sneak in extra damage with these. Now i just wish they weren't locked into the dlc for a newgame run...
One thing to bring up regarding movesets is that the ability to seamlessly combo attacks is tied to which button you press, and linking from R2 to powerstanced L1 is slower than linking R2 to R1. This means that Rellanas swords can combo between attacks much faster than if you are powerstancing two different weapons! Its a minor difference but it does make them feel more seamless
Also to note: the main use for Rellana’s L1 combo is for fighting enemies who have high magic resistance, since it just uses the flame sword. Other than that it might also be useful since the attacks dont have as long of a recovery. I dont think its something that you need to consider when evaluating the weapon but it does have a (niche) function.
I saw this but have absolutely no idea how you activate it. How does canceling a light jump attack with a light attack before the light jump attack even work?
Im assuming you crouch a bit after jumping and if you attack at that spilt second it counts as crouching attack. If so, thats really cool, need to test this myself
2:36 - Not having all 3 damage types on both of Rellana's Twinblade weapons is absolutely not a bug and would never be considered one. Whether the stats it has are ideal when implemented this way is another matter, but that's just a balance adjustments - not a bug. Her weapon is functioning _exactly_ as designed, and the game makes it clear that it is _very_ intentional for it to function this way. Her main hand light greatsword is specifically a Carian blade which is why it is linked to the sorcery of their lunar monarchy and deals _just_ Magic & Physical damage. Her off-hand is a straight sword from Messemer's army which is engraved with golden flames and deals _just_ Fire & Physical damage. That's why one glows blue and the other is wreathed in flames when going into the stance for the weapon art - each blade only has EITHER magic or fire. You can only deal magic & fire damage by using both of them at once, hence its modified attack string for power stancing. Just as Messemer resides apart from Rellana and they remain in separate castles, each blade and their damage types exist separate from one another. They only have their powers combined when they are wielded together and NOT when they're used individually. Even the weapon's description is overtly clear about this: _“Carian light greatsword embedded with blue glintstone. Weapon of Rellana, the Twin Moon Knight. Two swords as a single armament. When two-handing, a straight sword engraved with golden flame will be carried in the left hand. Here, and here alone, were moon and fire ever together.”_ This is what makes her blades distinct from the Sword of Night & Flame which purposefully has all 3 damage types intertwined in a single weapon as the legendary blade of the Carian Royal Family. Rellana's weapon art is mirroring that, but not in a single source.
@@ChrighttOn that note, Patch 1.14 just made a _number_ of adjustments to Rellana's Twinblades as well as the Rellana's Cameo talisman, so I'm quite curious how those changes impact things.
That was one of the many reasons why I love bloodborne pve so much, and why I was a little disapointed in base game ER movesets a little bit; curved greatsword was as close as I got bc of its early r2 window from a light attack.
LGS moveset is honestly the highlight of entire dlc. Let's hope From will take inspiration from it into next game. "Smashy" moveset of most strength oriented weapons is just... I don't know. Banished/Knight Greatsword is so good. Why Greatsword of Solitude was done so dirty is beyond my understanding...
I mean its as heavy as a zwiehander but is still a greatsword, and with comparable ar so I dont really see it as being done dirty, though I still agree that there should have been a new fancy moveset gs.
Dude is straight cursed. "Make effort in youtube career of breaking down souls numbers" Monkey paws finger curls "Developer releases a patch immediately after video release that makes it obsolete"
I prefer Double Slash over Wing Stance because it combos better with the base moveset. When you go with Winged Stance you are basically committed to spamming that ash.
@@lharsay I really wish the stance enter was quicker. With Rellana's you can cast the followups almost instantly after pressing l2, whereas wing stance is just awkwardly long before you can actually attack.
Heads up: Rellana's twin blades two handed (aka build in powerstance) heavy attack into light attack is faster than Milady heavy attack into powerstance light attack. The latter seems to have a very slight pause in between the two attacks, while Rellana's has a smoother and faster transition between heavy attack and light attack. This difference can be best seen if you test and compare the two side by side right after one another. Might not be the most important thing ever, but I myself value it when such things get pointed out
Ty for your helpful Intel. The clarity and brevity has helped me see the shortcomings of the weapons, I was wrong in my perception of their performance.
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I started new run with cold milady, and in first 10 minutes I discored that R2->R1->R1 is actually 5 hit combo with 400MV status buildup. Absolutely perfect.
Great video, didnt know you can chain the wing stance! You didn't mention it so I thought I'd let everyone know if you hold two sets of Rellanas swords you get both swords the same length and get the magic damage with both hits. Also It's a faith glitch with the shard of Alexander because it also doesn't work with the Gazing Finger because it does holy damage as well. Hope this helps everyone!
I don't think rellana's swords are bugged, if you look really closely her magic covered weapon has only magic scaling but fire covered weapon has fire damage, I don't think it's a bug but it hurts weapon in the process. on the other hand they might have been a seperate weapons in the early development process but they changed their minds without changing numbers, which isn't uncommon for fromsoftware
also it having double spplit damage means that each swing has to go through defences only twice, first phys and magic and then phys and fire for corresponding sword
Going through defense thrice with extra damage always beats going through defense twice without that extra bit of damage (even if it is only a bit more). The defense is done separately for each element, so having 85 more magic AR on a keen weapon will never deal less damage than not having that magic damage (it's why greases still add damage). You might be right they decided to make it "intentional" though, but that would mean they didn't keep the AR in mind 😔
@@Chrightt i never said it would deal less or more damage with how it works rn. I'm just pointing out what you said in the video is factually wrong. each sword has to go through defences only two times, not three.
this alos means that if you want rellana's weapon art you can still have it on a decent weapon if you 1 hand it and have something else in offhand, a shield pearhaps. or just as a spellbalde weapon
Ah, I mistunderstood what you meant. But what I said in the video is "even if it has three damage types it'll still need to pass through defense thrice" as in even if Fromsoft allowed both weapons 3 elemental damage types it still won't be that much more damage.
I wonder how quickly these attacks build the multihit boosts. I also wish the status MV of the light finisher was mentioned, considering it hits 4 times.
I wish you could take two identical weapons and make them paired. Can’t stand attacking with L1, plus being able to put something on your back to get an extra effect is such an advantage.
The new weapon types in the DLC have all been interesting in different ways, but light greatswords are just so satisfying. I've wanted a hand to hand martial arts moveset in a FromSoft game for ages and still prefer Milady over Dane's Footwork for sheer style even before getting into consideration of damage, reach, etc. The moment I picked it up and tried it out I knew this was gonna be it for me, first DLC run immediately became Milady + Smithscript Dagger offhand for swashbuckling in style, and dual Milady in NG+ feels even better. I'd figured out the weaving already and realized the Twinblade talisman would potentially be very good for it, so I've been dancing around that and hoo boy, it hurts.
I'm a big fan of Light Greatswords as ways to stop people chasing me during invasions. Almost nobody can react quick enough to avoid the standing heavy turnaround. If you're an invader, get yourself a Milady 👍
@@Chrightt It certainly looks underpowered but I wouldn't say it's to the point where they overlooked something. Not totally fair comparison but, if you go with like 50str/dex with and base int/faith the right hand sword will get similar AR to a lightning Milady or Leda's Sword (19faith). What they could have done is to make the elemental damage part scale with str and dex too similar to DS3 Dancer sword or the new Madding Hand.
If there’s one thing I wish FromSoft did, it would be to change the Bastard Sword from a Greatsword to a light Greatsword. Conceptually it’s the perfect weapon to put in that class, but at the same time I get why they wouldn’t want to radically change a weapon that was already in the game on release. Luckily smithbox exists, so I was able to make exactly that change, so long as I don’t play online (but I rarely do that anyways, so I personally am not missing much).
It doesn’t seem like a bug that the magic sword doesn’t do fire damage and the fire sword doesn’t do magic damage. The damage values are maybe a bit off because it was treated more like the sword of night and flame where all three damage types were dealt on one hit, but it makes sense the way it is. I would find it weird to do an attack with only the magic sword and have that set a finger crawler on fire
It's more like they decided the magic sword should only do magic damage and the fire sword should do fire damage but *forgot* that if they did that the damage would be lower than planned with 3 damage types.
@@Chrighttcorrect me if I’m wrong but I vaguely remember the dancer of the borreal valley twinblade in ds3 having this exsct same issue. Its probably intended but that does mean the weapon needs a massive AR buff because unlike the dancer twinblade the moveset isn’t even unique.
I love these swords so much. So when you say "skips" you mean it skips the first few moves of the chain and gets to the final hits quicker, correct? So by using the Twinblade talisman you can proc that "final hit in attack chain" quicker? Rather than having to go through 6 or 7 swings to get to it? Is that what I'm taking away from that final portion? Cause I did not know that about that talisman, I just kind of organically figured out those combos did more damage, but I didn't know I could have been using that talisman with it all along!
This moveset complexity is too much to think about 😂 I mostly just used the two-handed moveset when I tried them out, it's nice to know how varied the options are.
As always, wonderful video, Crightt! The LGS moveset is so beautiful and powerful, the only gripe I have with it is that IT BOUNCES FROM FUCKING ANYTHING! Walls, floors (of there's even a slightest bit of elevation or uneven terrain), random trash on the floor. If only it didn't have that, I don't know if I'd EVER switch back to any other weapon... I believe this problem lies in the blue hitbox near the hilt. As far as I could percieve, every other weapon's blue hitbox is a small sphere at the handle, but this weapon type for some unknown reason has like triple the size for this particular hitbox.
Rellana's isn't bugged, it's just somewhat deceptive with how its AR is displayed in-game. They're described in lore as separate swords; a light greatsword with magic damage, and a straight sword with fire damage. So it's not calculating defenses three times per hit (physical, magical, fire), but only twice depending on which sword hits (physical/magical for LGS, physical/fire for SS). This also comes into play when you have Rellana's in your left hand instead of your right; in this case, the fire straight sword becomes the main moveset when not powerstanced. It should probably be displayed better, but I don't think the solution is making a single sword hit for all three damage types. Also the description says Twinblades instead of Light Greatswords. Probably a copy-paste error if I had to guess.
Yeah, explained in pinned comment and other comments. I should've said it's an oversight they wanted 2 damage types per weapon but balanced the weapons' attacks like each one had 3 damage types. Should've not been lazy with the explanation. 😔 Now I'm gonna get a thousand of these comments.
@@Chrightt Ah, yeah I only saw the damage numbers a bit after making this comment. Sorry about that. But I do agree with your points; each of Rellana's swords should do more damage than they do now. It doesn't really make sense for them to be outdamaged by the other light greatswords this way.
it seems like Rellana's Twinblade is designed for DEX/INT builds in NG+ when you can get a 2nd copy of her twinblade so both hands get the long reach and magic damage of the primary hand sword
If you put Rellana's sword in your offhand it only uses the fire sword making powerstancing them little different from 2h, so for that purpose you would need to powerstance a magic/cold milady on the offhand for a int or a flame art milady on the mainhand for a faith build.
He's referring to the fact that the total AR is comparable to other light greatswords. But that AR applies to both swords so it should technically be higher. So it's probably a balance oversight
a minor point but something you missed regardless, you can also skip the first heavy attack and go straight into the second one with different combos. This isn't as valuable as skipping the first hit of your light string is typically better, for example, if you do 3 light attacks one handed, you can immediately do heavy attack 2
Seems to me like they initially designed Rellanas Twinswords as two seperate weapons and later on paired them up. This sucks imo because the off-hand straightsword is actually a really high damage straight sword for faith (I've tested vs a flame art longsword on a faith build), and Rellanas would be so much cooler to use twohanded on a int build.
Yep, Rellana’s Cameo activation time is down from 1.5 to 1 second and the damage buff increased from 15% to 45%. God damn, as you say. It sure does hit hard, especially with Shard of Alexander which increase total buff to 67%. Double damn!
I see you mentioned that multi-attacks would work better for building up status effects using the infused milady. Do you know what the optimal combo would be for light greatsword 1H, 2H and powerstance movesets for specifically status buildup speed would be?
Would power stancing 2 sets of Relanna's twin-blades overcome the limitations of 2-handing one set Relanna's twin blades i wonder? Of course the whole idea sounds crazy even to me, but I'm curious.
I thought it's obvious the Rellanas swords work like that in Universe. That ain't a bug. Only Left does Fire-dmg because only left performs the Fire-Skill. And only Right does Magic because only Right performs the Projectiles. It's clearly intentional.
I would use it for PVE, but for PVP you don't have enough hitstun to combo into it. Enemies can dodge it easily and then punish due to the long animation.
One remaining question I have regarding Needle Piercer: when it removes all effects on the enemy, does that also include status resistance built up from repeated procs? Random and obscure I know, but I've wondered this about the weapon ever since it came out and never found an answer.
It removes all status build up, but it does not remove any status resistance built up if that makes any sense. Enemies getting more and more resistant to a status effect is not a status in and of itself. It just moves to the next tier in the files. The status buildup before the proc still counts as a debuff and is removed.
@@Chrightt that makes complete sense, thank you! I was holding out hope that it could be useful on my silly Zamor Curved Sword + Fire's Deadly Sin build since that's the only way I've been able to proc enough status to the point where resistance can actually become a problem. At least I can finally let go of that pipe dream lol.
woooow the only sad thing about this is that we don't have a way to directly skip to the last combo move after 1 move while also being able to block to use deflects and guard counters :( imagine if the rellana swords would let us block with the left... powerstanced guard counter + skip to the last combo move.
Flails watching Fromsoft put so much love to light great sword then left the chat😂 light great sword -good specified chainable aow -specified talismans to boost -can chain heavy/light attacks -Fairly great reach Flails -They are small -copy and paste hammer movesets🎉
