Have your gunsmith check the bolt gap on your MAC 5. I am a FFL and gunsmith and just purchased one of these to evaluate and found that the one I have has no bolt gap at all. HK specs are .25mm to .45mm which is .010 to .018 inches, With no bolt gap at all means that the rollers are not engaging in the recesses of the trunnion and therefore what you will have is almost a direct blow back firearm. This will cause undo wear on the firearm and shorten it's life. This is not good. I urge all of you that have purchased one of these MAC 5s to check the bolt gap on your firearm.
I love it. MAC gets them through SDS imports, but I believe Mertsav, who is a subcontractor of MKE, is the manufacturer. So essentially the old zeniths, or current century arms package (hence why they share the same handguard, muzzle device, sling) but at a more affordable price. If you've been on the fence, this is probably as good as its gonna get. It beats out the ap5 core package sold by Atlantic Firearms while offering all the non-core items (aside from the brace) AND you get more mags. The mags alone make the deal for me and that's coming from someone with an AP5 and an SP5k. Had I known these were coming id have gotten it over the ap5
@@BUCKEYESHOOTINGCENTER I have one of the AC versions of the triangular hand guard that has vent holes on the side and is lightly ribbed (For your pleasure). The ribbing really improves you hold on the gun. At least now that I have the MAC I’m already for Christmas and Hans Grubber! 😉
Mertsav is the actual manufacturer. They are sub contractors for MKE and these are made from mostly MKE components. It stands to reason that these would be nearly identical to MKE sub guns.
I just ordered one of these yesterday and didn't see your review. After watching yours I'm a subscriber thank you for an honest In-Depth review. I am pumped to get this thing!!!
This is my first episode with you guys. I liked your show in about 5 minutes. You guys make this understandable. You don’t talk down to us Thank you. This is my first show and will not be my last
For the full size, I got a PTR-9c first, then an MKE AP5 for outdoor range training. Now, you show up telling me I could have a grand in the bank if I only waited. Plus, I had to buy that B&T style flash hider myself. A lot of people said the PTR-9's were even too high which was when the AP5 core was released by Century Arms. The MP5 fence dwellers shouldn't be hangin' out anymore with the MAC. I'd still put an HK-C1 binary in that thing. It makes it an MP5 with ammo discipline. Semper Fi.🇺🇲
I pulled the trigger on this gun without watching your video. I found your video afterwards and only reassured me that I made the right decision. I can’t believe how close to a real MP5 this thing seems. Other than the branding and the threaded barrel, I cannot tell a difference.Heading to the hardware store to get a file.😂
Fired an MP 5 years ago in .40 SW. It was my first time firing a full auto and it was easy to dump a mag and and put every round on paper at 10 yards. Now 30 feet may not seem like much but as a full auto virgin at the time I was astounded how nice the recoil impulse was.
MP5 clone finally hit my price range for fun toy. Gotta have a brace or stock on this indeed. Just need to win the lottery and pick up a real MP5 but in the mean time MAC-5 will do.
My thoughts exactly. The sp5 is barely worth it anymore especially considering you could get a HK AR for 2-300 more for what they’re charging for it which would be more worth it.
Lee's sporting makes a "lower" for mp5 clones that lets you use AR grips and triggers as well as an AR safety. I think there's some fitment you have to do and I'm pretty sure you have to modify most triggers but not all. They have the information on their website
if your thinking about getting the MAC 5 now is the time! the price is right. but I fear the price will go up closer to November when people start panic buying.
This is a great point! The simple answer is, use a US-made MP5 magazine and you should be fine. Though I am not an attorney and this is not legal advise. I like how John Pierce breaks this down (short read). The ATF, not surprisingly, has flip-flopped many times over the years on 922(r)...especially with making an SBR from a pistol. johnpierceesq.com/does-922r-apply-when-building-an-sbr-from-an-imported-pistol/
@@BUCKEYESHOOTINGCENTER Thanks for the link. "Ten part maximum" of imported parts and this pistol is 100% made of imported parts. Something to ponder. All the channels I have seen about this pistol promote the same jargon: "you may register it as a SBR." As a lifelong NFA collector, I choose to avoid "grey areas." Your mileage, of course ,will vary.
This is an amazing weapon, I've always wanted an MP5 and never pulled the trigger, lol. What a suprise this would be. Keep it up. i love the videos so far.
Guys, I'm outta the loop, did PSA ever come out with their version? It was the most talked about firearm on YT for a while. I haven't followed along. I'm the odd man out as I've never been an MP5 fan. (ducking) It's cool and all, but it's not one I'd buy. Very good look at this one. Thanks fellas.
Nope. PSA cancelled the project quite awhile ago. The imported clones came onto the market and PSA realized they couldn't compete on price, so they permanently shelved the project.
@@TheBobNoxious to be fair, they're going to be able to make a hell of a lot more money on the MP7-at home. People have been clamoring for a semi-affordable MP7 for decades, and the PSA version is chambered in a cheaper round (though still expensive). I'm personally not that interested in it, but that gun is going to sell like hot cakes.
I rather have the CHF barrel of the MKE and as for their magazines they work without any issues with the six I have. I also have HK magazines with the old LEO markings and no issues in the MKE. It is nice to have other companies building these pistols to help bring the cost down on these type of firearms. Does the MAC 5 have a chrome lined barrel?
I love the price point, but I am concerned about how this pistol holds up long term. There are so many SP-5 clones and the quality of those clones varies dramatically.
Time will tell for sure, but the original MP5 was not exactly a "high quality" firearm. We own 4 real MP5s from the 70's, and I've got to say...modern produced MP5s and clones seem to be higher quality that the originals.
Yep, on the videos we have to be careful when talking about pricing. We can state MSRP with no issues, but as any gun guy knows, that's not the "counter price". You'll see something similar if you shop with me, you'll see something similar ;)
IMO, and I’m sure someone will get Butt hurt out there, but I don’t think CHF is as big of a deal with pistol calibers. Sure, it’s better, but I don’t see it drastically changing the durability or longevity of a pistol caliber firearm.
@BUCKEYESHOOTINGCENTER Did you guys check the bore/muzzle threading concentricity? Would like to know about that, as well as how tight the 3-lug locks up.
Did u guys see the torture test just released by battle hawk armory? Mac-5 had some serious issues when they poured water over it to cool it off. I don't think they lubed it enough but still concerning. I just ordered one. Don't have it yet.
I mean, don’t dunk it in water to cool it off? Personally, I’ve never done that, and I’m not sure how many guns would like that… but hey, torture test away.
Ha! Right I agree but would you recommend running the gun wetter than normal or even using grease? Would be cool to see a test where it's lubed up more. I bought one but there video makes the Mac look pretty unreliable. Thx for the response appreciate it.
We've had a few come through, and do stock them. They are just now starting to trickle in, but they were supposedly going to be available at the beginning of Q2... They availability is getting better and better.
@@weijianchen8816 in what way? Two different designs. Personally, I prefer the MPX. However, they’re like $2k. The MP5 is definitely more nostalgic, and it has a really long track record of reliability.
@@BUCKEYESHOOTINGCENTER awesome, glad to hear it. I live in Akron/Canton area but I’ll have to come down and check out you guys’ range soon, is it rated for rifles or pistol only?
Rumor on the street is that the MAC is a sub-contracted gun from MKE, but I haven't been able to verify that outside of a thread on Reddit. To be honest, I don't notice much of a difference in any of them. All the clones I've shot are great. I think it comes down to the price point here...where the MAC5 clearly wins. The MP5 is a simple gun, so it's not surprising to see them all operate as advertised.
I just don’t see a reason why folks shouldn’t choose the MAC. It’s everything you want it to be (including how it’s built) at the best price point. I’m going MAC all day. Nothing wrong with the others, this just leaves some more in the budget for ammo!
@@BUCKEYESHOOTINGCENTER Thanks for the feedback! My son has a PTR and seems to like it. Seeing these MAC units, I think I could save about $800 or so. (I have bought 4 suppressors this year, so my gun budget is spent till the new year, but will definitely pick one up. - Thanks again.)
I got a century arms ap5 in because my distributor didnt get the mac5 in yet but eehhh it was only a $170 difference between the two. Idk how they market it under or at $1k theres almost no profit margin to be made for stores
The Mac 5 doesn’t have a cold hammer forged barrel so there’s a little less production cost. However since it’s not full auto or a rifle round it’s not as a big deal
To be honest, most MP5 clones feel the same. It's an older design, and not much has changed. It comes down the price point really. Zenith are sweet too.
