I really like how Kane flips the classic alien invasion story on its head. He tricks the aliens into invading a heavily militarized earth so he can steal the alien's technology and use it for himself.
a giant space manatee pretending to be the dead body of the overmind isn't really a "retcon" it's more of a dude... gas lighting everyone into thinking he's the dead overmind so they will beat up his high school bully.
The Overmind of Starcraft, despite being one of the villains, still was the very first being to understand that its will was suppressed by amon ever since its creation. Passing the will of the swarm to Kerrigan is the biggest step the Overmind did to break down amon's plan, or to say, the very first attempt to save the Starcraft universe before Zeratul found out the hybrids.
Honorable mention: the dreadlord Ticondrius! He proves that not all villains have to get their own hands dirty. They just stay in the back giving orders, manipulating others, and letting everyone know that he's just the world's most evil, demonic supervisor! He gives off that CEO energy like no one else can! And I totally love to h8 him for that! 😂
Not sure if it counts, but the final storm in Frostpunk for me. Has never been a more intimidating deliverer of snow and wind. Now I can handle it, but... man.
I do think Archimonde deserved an honorable mention. We see him destroy a city and it was really difficult to kill him. You had to create a real hard point and then recruit the right mercenaries.
Honestly, Grigor Stoyanovich from Empire Earth. The man went from a Russian Mobster to overthrowing the Russian government to damn near taking over the world. And when you go back in time to stop him from rising to power (yes, that happens, keep up), he simply doesn't care that he becomes a villain, because the world will still be his, even after his death. That is one hell of a bad guy, one who just tells the world to screw itself, because he HAS to be in charge.
YES! Grigor was nuts! Empire earth is severly underrated, and grigor was my favorite charachter, especially for this plot point. Like- my guy is so evil he embraces world domination. I should make a video essay on girgor
For the Warcraft 3 lore, I totally agree that Illidan is not the best villain because he SHOULD NOT even be considered a villain in the first place at all. Many would say that he is Anti-Hero, and I agree on that for many logical wc3 lore reasons.
I don't think I can put a single character as the villain of Rise of Nations, but that was one of my favorite RTS alongside the original Starcraft. My favorite villain is probably the Overmind, really liked the concept of having a God-like figure as the main big bad and loved working for him, SC2 did the Overmind dirty.
My favorite RTS villain is Scientist 2 from Empires of the Undergrowth. You play as an experimental ant colony called the Ereptor Gene Thieves, a fictional ant colony with the ability to assimilate and mutate other ant species into your colony, created only as an experiment and meant to be disposed of. The straight and narrow Scientist 1 (They don't have names and are only referred to as Scientist 1 and 2) runs extremely conservative and controlled experiments, her job is to put the colony through minimal trials in order to test the abilities of a colony with no limits. Scientist 2 on the other hand is a tad more unhinged, his goal to test the limits of the colony with no limits, he will secretly throw very dangerous predators into the nest, throws 10x the amount of rival ant colonies Scientist 1 throws at the colony and by the end of the game he starts creating hybrid predators with heavy munitions to truly test the limits of the colony, hermit crabs with dragonfly wings and a flamethrower. The limits scientist 2 goes to are truly absurd and the ending of the game only proves how far he was truly willing to go.
Ner'zhul went from Orc shaman to Undead overmind. He got away with waaaay to much bs and he only really slipped once. You have to keep in mind Northrend at the time was controlled by Nerubian (read "Zerg roach people, minus the armor) and Giants (ranging from 3m to actual giants). ALSO the dragon tower.
7:52 did you know that in the game "cnc Renegade" you can find Kane's bedroom. And for some reason there is a big bed in the center of room and camera set in there😅
Something that I love about Kel'Thuzad, which now that I think about it, I also love about Arkhan the Black from Warhammer, is the fact that hes loyal to the big bad, in spite of having free will. Hes not being blackmailed, hes not bound to loyalty, hes not doing it to protect a loved one from his masters wrath. Hes fully capable of going it alone, has free will, yet chooses to be the Right Hand anyway. Kel'Thuzad is not required to save Arthas when hes ambushed by Sylvanas in Frozen Throne, he Chooses to. Theres something awe inspiring and a little bit intimidating about that.
I'm also disappointed that Sindri didn't even get a mention, not even in the dishonorable mentions but I can't deny that Gorgutz and Eliphas are more important/iconic parts of the overarching series, even if only due to their repeated returns (if Daemon Prince Sindri ever returned I'm sure that'd be great), with Gorgutz appearing in all 3 of Dawn of War's expansions along with Dawn of War 3 and Eliphas returning in both of Dawn of War 2's expansions after his Dark Crusade defeat.
strange but if you dop a worst villian rewie can you include one of the villians from the homeworld franchise the first three i dont think deserts of kharak or cataclysm have bad villoians especialy not cataclysm the beast is basicly the overmind but it eats and uses ships that it literily melts the cruse of into biocurcetry.
Ra-ra-rasputin, slayer of the Rusviet king Iron Harvest is the game I mention Ra-ra-rasputin, Fenris' master of cunning Setting his big plans in full motion Cipher, founder and leader of New Horizon in CrossFire: Legion, who is intent on technological transhumanism Van Troff in EARTH 2160, who was into Alien lifeforms early on that he slowly mutated into one and wanted to conquer planets with his psychically controlled Alien forces
Wow! Just made my Sunday a little bit better. As for your list, it's quite solid. I'd put Gargarensis up there and replace Kel'Thuzad with Archimonde. Spent a solid three minutes thinking of a 5th villain but then I realized I never got into any franchise apart from the big 4. So I guess my top 5 would be Overmind, Gargarensis, Archimonde, Kane and .
The only reason Kane can't win in this is because half the fanbase would oppose him being called a villain, lol:D Tbh Mengsk was killed off too early. I guess Blizzard felt that they won't be able to make Starcraft 3 under Activision so they decided to rush things and do everything needed to wrap story up in SC2.
honestly, I only have 2 real complaints about this video 1: no mention of Sindri, not even in the dishonorable mentions or alongside the other 2 Dawn of War characters you did mention. I can't deny that Eliphas and Gorgutz have turned up more often and ended up being more iconic parts of the series as a result, but Sindri was *the* original big Dawn of War villain with fantastic and memorable lines and moments ("power demands sacrifice"). I feel like Kyras also deserved a mention but of course playing Dawn of War 1 is no indication of playing Dawn of War 2. 2: despite talking about Gorgutz, and complaining about his defeat in Dark Crusade, no mention of his canonical victory in Soulstorm not mentioning Gorgutz's Dawn of War 3 appearance was completely fair, I thought he was still great there, and he's technically the main winner again since he's the only major character involved in the whole thing that actually succeeds at his original goal without dying. he is definitely the best part of that game, but I can admit that the game itself was bad enough for that to be a really low bar (he still absolutely soared over that bar with style though). in terms of villains affecting me personally... I'd say that ultimately Sindri was the guy that got me to "git gud" at RTS games. every level I struggled on was a level where either he or someone he was manipulating was the bad guy (uh... in other words I found the Eldar easy and struggled against the Orks and Chaos), and I came out of the original Dawn of War campaign as a player that could finally beat all the other RTS campaigns I'd given up on over the years.
@@royasturias1784 I did mention Kyras but as I also mentioned we can't be sure that they've even played Dawn of War 2, and the video did say that one of many reasons for characters being left out would be due to them having not played the games in question. if they have played Dawn of War 2 then yeah, Kyras deserves a mention, Ulkair is pretty cool, and personally I'd say that the Hive Mind is a better villain than people normally give it credit for (but that might just be because I'm a Tyranid fanboy, main armies on tabletop are Tyranids and Genestealer Cults, spent the past few editions wishing for a full glorious return of the Zoats in a similar fashion to the Squats' return so that I can have all 3 of the original old 1st edition Tyranid groups (I mean... technically Genestealers didn't become Tyranids until 2nd edition... but the point is that they were all introduced in 1st edition and at some point each of them was in the Tyranid roster)). since they've clearly played Dawn of War 1's first 2 expansions though the assumption that they've probably played Dawn of War 1 itself felt like a pretty safe bet in comparison.
Speaking of favorite RTS you should try Blitzkrieg 3. Is a good game I recomend. Also aboute who is my favorite villan. I can't named it. THEY ARE TO MANY.
I'd say that kerrigan was a better villain than overmind, but she sucks so bad in SC2 that her character sort of has this "unwashable aftertaste", it makes you retcon her in SC1 into being ass as well
Really of all the people in this list who have killed thousands of people for their own reasons you put Illidan among them? The guy who in his campaign either was fighting against the bad guys(Legion, Scourge) or in self defense? I am not saying that you couldn't present an argument for Illidan being a villain, but he does not compare to anyone on that list when it comes to villainy(in the quote you presented he was literally saying I am going to destroy the bad guys essentially).
Here's a fun question And maybe you can ask your subscribers. On another post, do you think darth sidious would have made a better villain for Starcraft than amon ( And of course they can also give their sugges on who would make a better villain )
no, Arcturus Mengsk wasn't a better villain in starcraft than Amon. Darth sidious is almost identical in nearly every way to Mengsk, with the exception of the force. (and there are theories that Mengsk was psionic so he might have had the force) we can even extrapolate this a bit. They both started from the low levels of nobility, became war heroes, and then seized control of the government in a time of war to be a savior. Sheev planned the attack on naboo so he would be seen as a peaceful victim, it allowed him to double down on military forces and he engineered the trade federation war that led to the clone wars and he set up the jedi as culpable due to complacent negligence. Arcturus was an officer in the Confederate Marine Corps (CMC), he left the confederacy and formed a massive army (the sons of korhal) and used his knowledge as a CMC officer to infiltrate CMC facilities to make it look like the CMC was breeding and creating zerg attacks, and used that fake information to set up the CMC and the Confederacy as a whole for creating the zerg threat and poking the bear that is the protoss. they even both took on monster apprentices that were the strongest best ever. Anakin was the one, and he was going to be the "pure" jedi who could be saved, but when he was lost he was transformed into Vader, the ruthless Jedi hunter. Sarah was the top most best super ghost, who was freed from her brainwashing to show how bad the CMC was, but later turned into the queen of blades (which mengsk blamed on the CMC brain washing) IIRC they even said that Mengsk was partially based on Palpatine, as the dark character in the background who is the secret actual bad guy. on the other hand, Amon is a god who is has become bored with being god. he just isn't explored so people don't relate to him. There is a major problem in a lot of gaming media, that people think a villain is a bad villain if we don't explore their side of things, and that's just short sighted. Amon isn't someone you're suppose to understand or sympathize with, he isn't fixable and giving him more hugs as a kid wouldn't have prevented it. He is a literal god who has gotten bored of being god and decided to turn off the simulation. that isn't bad villainy, that's good cosmic horror. we can criticize how it was shown or how it was handled, but to just say "well why don't we just grab someone from a completely different universe who wouldn't hold a similar role or function" is kind of lazy. if you want to replace Amon use someone with the same level of power at least. Bill Cipher from gravity falls, Golb from adventure time, The Nothing from the neverending story, or basicly any old one from the cthulhu mythos.
the overmind was better because you got to play in the overminds faction and got to see both sides. there are few things more interesting than a god who got tired of the cycle of birth, destruction, and rebirth so he decided to end it all and burn down the universe. That is peak villian energy. You know what isn't peak villian energy? giant bugs, mindless bugs that eats stuff, why does it eat stuff? we don't know it just does. why is it here? to eat stuff. the difference is, we played an overmind faction and saw that the overmind wasn't just a mindless bug. we never played the amon faction to see why he turned nihilistic and what drove him to decide that ending all life was better than letting the cycle continue.
