I've been asked FOR YEARS to do a WC3 Heroes tier list... Here it is. 

same😂 i prefer watching than playing nowadays

I don’t play either but I watched the whole thing lol

We have all installed the game after watching Grubby, thinking we can execute 1% of what he is doing. Then as soon as a fight happens, you completely freak out, A click in your whole army and get deleted while you're trying to just find and select your hero. Apm at 1 per day. I'll stick to watching Grubby thank you very much.

@@anbuhyuga8299 Bruh, few years ago I went to internet caffee to play some vidya with friends. WC3 was chosed. I thought I had it since I played it my entire childhood. I got erased by a guy who said he played it a few times.

Hear hear

I haven't played WC once, yet i still watch these videos, something very soothing about them 😅

same bro, and i enjoyed it

@@Deceit-hx7ey Because grubby speaking about his craft is ASMR

Same, except two decades ago xD

Exactly this, why is this so interesting that u ruin my sleep over this :D

I realized this today lol.

And that tiger is just a glorified horse. It doesn't do anything. No ability linked to it at all.

She IS the tiger, just happens to let a night elf archer ride her for extra dps =)))))

@@alexpopescu8137 you know too much... (casts shadow strike)

To this day

💯

The only one I can complain about is Priestess of the Moon. Unless you think the tiger is the hero and the priestess is just an accessory.

@@kevingriffith6011well, it is 😅

@@zurcburc Clearly the modders need to get out there and give the priestess a tiger head and put a giant night elf head on the tiger.

@@kevingriffith6011 Well when you look at it from a Kid's point of view, that's the best part of it. I picked PotM every time because cool pretty Tiger haha If I saw a Sylvanas clone, I would've passed

Just come back :)

"RaRa cleave, then they leave" -Grub'Tsu, Art of Warcraft.

So out of context lol

Noooo, they're one of my favorites! :'(

Pitlord did nothing wrong :((((((

And evasion is disabled, right? At least is how it works in Dota. Haha

I... Never knew this

This is not true unless it's been changed recently in Reforged. Heroes retained hero armor in hex when I used to play.

I dont think it's a right feature

I also super enjoyed as a dota wc3 player that I could intuit a lot of what he was saying about heroes before he said it. Dota has a similar incredibly interesting history with balancing and many of these abilities are present in some form on various dota heroes.

lol the first time means is this his first correct statement?

which is also the reason stacking battle furys and attacking everything but the main target was a thing in original dota iirc

I guess the rationale is that the cleaved damage is the one dealt to the first unit, that is, after that one is reduced by that first unit armor, right ? Aka, to not be reduced twice by armor. Or the cleave damage is its base damage ?

@@Winnetou17 That's how you would intuitively think it would work, but I've tested it in the past and the cleave damage is based on the damage before reduction from armor. Cleave level 3 does 90% damage, so as long as the unit you're hitting has more than 10% damage reduction from armor, you're actually doing more damage to the cleaved units than the main one Example, with simplified values for clarity: Pit Lord is doing 100 dmg, with level 3 cleave (90%) PL hits a knight that has 5 armor. Let's say that provides 20% dmg reduction 3 other knights are within cleave range of the first knight The first knight will take 80 dmg, and the other 3 will take 90 dmg

@@bryansweeney3077 Come to think of it, if it was as I said it in the previous post, you couldn't have done more damage to those behind, that was a brain fart on my part. Thanks for the info. I remember now from Sven too from DotA :))

Why is that for the shadow hunter ? Do you mean hex change the armor type and the orb reduces it ?

End aura is bussin' making me look mid

enduranceauramaxxing ngl

Panda is the best neutral hero evasion and critical

I think Grubby is not taking into account that the reasons he gives for feral spirit S rank are all much more micro intensive than any other S ranked hero. The early game that apm is affordable, but less so as the game progresses. Hard to put FS and AM side by side and conclude they should be the same rank.

Tbf, it's mostly due to Crypt Lord being an Undead hero, meaning that its competition is ridiculously stacked. The general consensus for CL is that it's a good hero fighting for the hero slot against amazing heroes (because Lich and Death Knight are cracked).

At least it's a better solo hero than Lich and most mercenaries

Aww, now I'm sad on your behalf and also recognize myself a bit. I always tried going either Crypt Lord or Dreadlord first, as I think both of them are cooler than the Lich and certainly than the rather generic Death Knight. Leave it to pro players to stomp on the fun of mere mortals😅 I suppose that the consolation is that at lower ranks, you can probably do a great many unorthodox things and still get away with it, as what's optimal in pro play is so far removed from casual play that it is like two different worlds.

Indubitably

"Once again, it's up to the elves"

*Garithos noise intensified*

"humans" have 3 human units, 3 dwarfs, 4 elves, and 2 machines that should also count as dwarfs. Why do we call them humans?

@@marcinkusmierzak991 It's a carryover from WC1 and WC2. The same way "Orc" has a bunch of other races as The Horde. But they're Orc as a race in WC3.

​@@weirdcoincollectionin russian localisation 2004 orc is "Horde" and human is "alliance ", although the translation is not accurate like Abomination called just butcher, it was old age of goofy translators but it made fun cringe moments for us pirates like Star wars kotor or gta sa earliest localisations

he s only wrong about dh

​​@@crymaker9628 DH is S, isn't it??

So FS should be A, then.

​@@staceygram5555FS?

I mean, not attacking late game TC is not the strangest thing, even without reincarnation

Agree. He's outclassed by the DK/Lich bromance, for sure, but he's got some game. Early aggression via beetles and his tankiness, deals fantastic damage with his ult in longer games, and is absurdly tanky if he can get going.

*Night elf music starts playing loudly*

U telling me that he isnt saying that?

wait what does he say?

@@Sprintspeed10 "I will hear you and obey", I think

My whole life’s a lie

Really helps that this is probably the most well presented and most informative wc3 hero list I've seen, clearly done by someone with both extensive top level experience and a nice presentation style. I've tried looking up wc3 hero lists before and the others just dont do it for me. More pls lord grubs! Unit tier list, campaign missions tier list...anything

Ultras would be under D

Undeads is not a word. The plural for Undead is Undead.

Don't be afraid , come with us on a journey, we almost always lose 50:50, I just came to aoe4. Not playing is passive ,like our parents, feel the adrenaline , feel life again ,don't be contempt , play ,win ,loose ,feel the excitement.

Oh yeah the shockwave is the best❤❤❤

Maaan, my thoughts are all about the same like yours!

Also, tho im not sure how it is in english, but russian localisation is a masterpiece of a kind, I still can immideately remember any unit phrase or even voice, its amazing, hope it was as cool in english

Regular pitlord is ok tbh The problem is he wasn't made correctly Check his rain of fire ability and then look at its damage values in the editor

​@@zytha2890i don't get it. Explain further.

Azgalor or Assgalore. Not Azgalore.

@@eafesaf6934 The Rain of Fire spell on Pit Lord is mediocre to the point where in most cases it will do comparable damage by just auto attacking with Cleave. Him being a Strength hero also means he can't really spam spells aggressively so in 9/10 situations it's better to save his mana for Howl of Terror (an actually very good spell). Basically, having a mediocre DoT splash spell on a hero whose auto attack is splash makes the spell large redundant (and less versatile since it locks the Pit Lord in place while only able to rain on a small designated area). Another major issue is that the Doom spell, his Ultimate Ability, is a slow-acting debuff...which can be easily cleansed with Dispel Magic/Purge/Abolish Magic and it having a massively obvious visual indicator also doesn't help hide it. So the result is that, unless you're going against specifically Undead, the Pit Lord functionally only has 1 spell (Howl) and splash melee auto attacks. The amusing thing is that in the WC3 campaign, there's a special Pit Lord in the Reign of Chaos final mission, Azgalor, who has an entirely different spell kit (Shockwave, Thunderclap, Reincarnation, and Earthquake) which is substantially more dangerous because even 20 years ago, Blizzard's devs were aware of how unthreatening the Pit Lord's base kit is.

Same! I immediately got an itch to try out all those heroes once again. WC3 is so great that I actually enjoy all heroes. Except BM and DH, from those I get 'Nam flashbacks instead.

LOL he was getting good in secret and you didn't realize XD

​@@GrubbyTalks 😂No, my second friend in 08/9 was different person than in 05/06.. we had never played WC3 before our first and only game- he destroyed me. We played SC Brood War once and I cheesed him with a dark templar rush. He is a professional poker player in Australia, and he told me he was in the top 3 on the WC3 ladder at one point, between 07/09, if I remember correctly.

:-)

Fs is ranged and dh is melee

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 what an incredibly insightful analysis. But seriously is that it? Because that's not nearly enough to make up the gap for FS.

@@j.l.4054 not everything is complicated. Dh is far more harassable even with moonwells and him being an agility hero

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 so according to you, DH can't be S tier because he's melee... Except Grubby has TC as the best hero in the game, and also has DK in S tier?? I also think you are drastically overstating how easy it is to harass DH considering: - One of the highest armor classes (might even be #1, don't recall off the top of my head - Evasion to further mitigate damage - Easy moonwell healing (I'm not sure why you are so dismissive of this) And that's not even including the fact that DH has top tier movespeed, AND that enemy heroes are disincentivized to even try to ranged potshot unless they're already OOM since even going to normal attack is going to get them mana burned. I mean clearly we're gonna just have to agree to disagree here, but I don't think you've made a single argument against DH being S tier that's valid... if you REALLY valued the ranged >>> melee thing that much & wanted to make the case that TC & DK were only A tier as well I could at least understand a consistent position/see the logic, but I don't think you're saying that...

@@j.l.4054 I didn't say he is easily killable. Melee heroes are harder to use early game in general where healing is very limited and every poke matters I am not underrating him either. He is indeed better than fs but is also harder to fully and accurately use him compared to poke and wolf spam, even though that drops precipitously

I think the problem with BM is not so much how he is as a hero, but how important AM is to get past the early game. There are a few heroes like that where they aren't bad, but you can't realistically use them because other heroes are forced choices. Much like the DK for UD, HU kind of need AM to remain competitive at a high level.

Far seer also has a very mediocre ultimate and far sight as a scouting ability is just outclassed by feral spirit in of itself.

I think the main reason you don't see far seer in every matchup isn't that he isn't S tier, it's that he isn't very flexible and Orc happens to have a lot of good hero choices (the most, in fact). You basically have to take him as a first hero, and if it's not a game where you want far seer first you'll therefore not make a far seer at all. I don't think being inflexible is enough to bump him down from S, otherwise we could say the same for Death Knight and Archmage who might just be the most S tier heroes in the game, but are also pretty inflexible heroes you always want to build first. You just see DK and Archmage more because Undead and Human's other options for a first hero usually don't offer nearly enough scaling to compensate for giving up the strength of DK/Archmage in the early levels.

​@@NuvizzleI think that just says bump the FS down with even more reasons

I agree on Far Seer. May be A, but not S. Death Knight every game because there are no better options as a start hero for UD. It’s like a must have base hero for UD. UD needs the aura to catch up with other races on creeping..I believe UD is the slowest creeping race. I however wouldn’t probably put DK into the S tier. A - tier yes, but not the S. However, I am not sure I can argue with Grubby since he is pro.

The information games and vision become more important at pro scene. And yes, orc has many good option unlike other races which somehow "forced" to pick the only good first hero.

Also Tyrande's VA is on another level, autobuffing the hero. Though it is funny her portrait is the cat

there are about 4-5 "BM" heroes :D

*sad zug zug*

@@TuristaArcsi you know which one I mean !

@@TibiaOTarena bloodmage + beastmaster+ brewmaster trio? :D

@@TuristaArcsi no :(