Best ones to use are the Delock you mentioned as well as the Startech DP2VGAHD20 which reliably does 375mhz, if you are lucky you can find a Sunix DPU3000 or the Delock/IcyBox clone which does 535mhz but less reliable for some than the startech. For HDMI the best right now is a LK7112 chipset based adapter you can find being sold from turkey. Good video
I think I spent over $100 USD for two Delock adapters shipped from Germany almost 10 years ago and I still use them to drive my CRTs. It's nice not to be limited by the adapter.
You know how in games there is super cool & mysterious ancient tech that is for some reason better than the modern that the characters have? Well CRT is like this but in real life. Tech that is more than half a century old, yet still better than modern monitors.
I love the CRT community coming together to publish information and test products. We have to get rid of all of the scams out there that want to take our money. I don't have a PC CRT yet but I have two CRT Teles. One is a standard SD set for my older consoles and the other is a massive 34" Sony Trinitron beast. I have disabled it's internal scaler so that it's passing the 1080i signal correctly at 8ms of latency. Hoping to grab a downscaler/interlacer one day so I can pass my PC signal to just to enjoy 34" CRT PC gaming as a novelty.
@@RetroGamingBase While waiting to purchase the downscaler for FPS games, I have used it for single player games where the latency isn't as critical. Alan Wake II is a very good use case. It's almost like Doom 3 back in the mid-00s. The use of light and shadow to create contrast and dark areas where you can't see without a flashlight really plays to the strengths of the CRT. Obviously a modern OLED would also look stunning with this game, but something about Remedy Entertainment and their style just lends itself well to being experienced on CRTs. They have a ton of references to analog tech in the game already (same in Control too) so it feels just right playing it on CRT.
Although you are focusing speed of hz on CRT monitors in your channel, but what really is amazing about CRT monitors are their amazing picture quality, sharpness and natural colors. Seriously... LCD monitors are trash compared to CRT monitors if quality of screen matters.
That’s so true bro! Take a look at my first video, there I use a special AA technology to make very low resolution gaming look pretty acceptable 😀 I just love how on a CRT 1024x768 looks like full HD or how 1680x1050 on a Sony FW 900 easily looks like 4K 🍻👍
If you own a GPU with USB-C you can use a cheapo converter that will do what all the expensive HDMI or DP converters do. Like my Vention which was about 20 bucks.
Thanks for the video i really needed that. i am currently using a gtx titan x from 2015 bc it has dvi analog but i want to upgrade my gpu. greetings from deutschland
The best DAC to use were the Sunix DPU3000, Icy Box IB-SPL1031, and DeLock 87685. The common thing with them is they all contained the Synaptics VMM2322 chip. Now there is a Mini DisplayPort to Dual-Link DVI Adapter - USB Powered - made by startech Product ID: MDP2DVID2 Intresting thing about this is in the specs it also contains the Synaptics VMM2322 chip. It's a Dual link DVI but going analgoue DVI to VGA isn't a issue. I have never used this adapter but it maybe worth a try as it is the VMM2322 chip thats key and even a chip swap would work.
@@tvndno6023 Expand on why? Have you tired the the MDP2DVID2 ? ........... What refresh rate did you manage to get it up to? As for the VMM2322 it's can be hijacked and firmware should be available
@@tvndno6023 Shame, funny that it's not outputting on the analogue pins. But still the VMM2322 chip can be hijacked and used in any of the alternatives already out there giving them the higher refresh rates. The old lenovo ThinkPad OneLink Pro dock's use the same cheap so a few cheap options out there to play with
@@RetroGamingBase it has a problem though where it does not connect properly the first time you boot your pc, you gotta unplug and re plug the adapter for it to kick in to the correct resolution, otherwise its in the wrong resolution and blury, but other than that it works fine
I think you should have said that the cheaper adapters, like the Rankie one you had at the beggining, are actually fine if you have a more basic CRT, like the very typical 17" 1024*768 @ 85HZ models that are easeir to find at reasonable prices (or free). If that's all your monitor can do, don't waste money on more expensive adapters.
Actually would be interesting even in non Retro application. As an esport enthusiast, I wonder if you could drive the monitor in 200+hz in a more reasonable resolution. I'd actually consider that for my VALORANT/CS Sessions.
It can do 800x600 @200hz and that resolution is still officially supported by windows 11 and is totally useable in all games. Especially if you use sparse grid anti aliasing it will look like full hd on a CRT. Check out my very first video on this channel and see how you like the looks. The resolution there is only 640x400@255Hz and it also still works good in games 😀
I my tests with my crt, im usally bottlenecked by the horizontal frequency(lowering horizontal resolution to get higher refresh rate.) . by using a more narrow aspect ratio(4by 3 is native, but 16 by 9, 16 by 10, and 21 by 9) allow to retain better image quality while still pushing higher refresh rates.
Excellent video! I have the Delock 62967 display port to VGA adapter for my LaCie electron 22 blue model II PC CRT monitor. My video card is the 1050ti GTX OC edition low profile model. I have noticed you are using the Nvidia's control panel to set custom resolutions. What about using using CRU by ToastyX app? Can it handle more custom resolutions or I can just use the Nvidia's control panel? Thanks in advance!
Yeah I think my video has helped to make them even more rare then they already were… I use the Delock one that I show here and I bought a few of them years ago.
Can you mod a crt for freesync or gsync? I seen a while ago there was a version of cru that lets you make freesync resolutions that even work with non freesync monitors.
Curious, i have a viewsonic G225f that has vga and bnc inputs. I already use my vga input for my analog output gpu, but since bnc does both analog and digital, are there any hdmi, dp or usb c to bnc converters that have a high pixel clock. The reason for my asking this, is because i want to add a higher end gpu and they only output a digital signal and would love to be able to utilize the other input .
Have you tried the monoprice models? I use one of theirs for my old Packard bell monitor and it does native dos resolution and refresh rate just fine (320x200@70hz). It does max out a weird resolution past svga 60hz, but I think that's wholly the monitor, since it's from 1993. I'd love to fix up my Sony trinitron multi-scan and see how that works and looks.
Since windows 11 lets you choose the gpu for each program, I got an old AMD gpu with a VGA output, and use it with my RTX 2070! It's important to note that two GPU's of the same manufacturer from different generations dont work together!! For my setup I'm using my crt at its max resolution of 1280x960 @120hz interlaced :D
hi, you seem to like technical challenge. I have a hdmi to vga powerfull enough but can't display 1440p of my ps5 on my 22" trinitrons pc monitors. It has to do with the EDID I guess, as 1440p is under these monitors top resolution. If ever you would find a solution, you would be my hero (and the first in the wolrd to ever picture that, as there is no footage of 1440p from a console on a crt)! See you :)
Hmmmm the problem is that the Console surely does not recognise the CRT and has no clue what it can do… Also the PS5 wants to display a 16:9 aspect ratio I think and only the Sony FW 900 can do that with 1440p. It’s interesting but I’m not sure how to trick the PS5 into doing what you want. I will try it on a Sony FW 900 though and we will see what happens
@@RetroGamingBase the 16/9 is not an issue even on 4/3 crt pc, as they can display 1080p easily (with black bars top and bottom, but it is not that distracting). Plus, from a pc, 2560 x 1440p is done with no problem. If ever you managed to display 1440p from a console to the fw 900 that would be a great news. This screen is 120 khz max, and my g520p can go up to 130 (way more than reqquired to display 144Op @ 60 hz). I think a retrotink 4k would be a good way to do so, as it has hdmi in and out and has many options to tinker with signal. Sadly it is very expensive. I made a post on the crt collective on facebook. If you type 1440p ps5 you will find it, with pictures etc. Thanks for the answer. I like your videos, it is great to show respect to crts ;)
@@tvndno6023 I have the adapter with that chip :) From what i gathered, it is about different timing between crt and lcd. Console are meant for lcd/modern display. No one has yet displayed 1440p from a console to a crt. I'd love to see that one day!
Any adapter that goes to a pixel clock of 360 to 370 MHz ? I have a Samsung 1100MB capable per spec of up to 160 Hz Vsync, 130 kHz Hsync, and 360 MHz pixel clock bandwidth. Does 2048x1536 at 80 Hz just fine, for example. In reality it can go a bit higher, but even per spec it's high enough for me. Just need a decent adapter to use it with a modern computer.
@@RetroGamingBase I find some Nvidia Quadro cards with 400 MHz RAMDACs (integrated), but no adapters... Apparently there are some that go to 300 MHz only. Currently I'm driving the monitor from an old HP laptop capable of 400 MHz also. But that won't run Windows 11, for example.
I could only give you a link for Germany if that helps? I just googled Delock dp to vga adapter and searched for the correct box art. Be careful! Delock also has a cheaper one who is not good enough. You need the 2500x1600@60Hz one
www.otto.de/p/delock-62967-adapter-displayport-1-2-stecker-zu-vga-buchse-schwarz-computer-kabel-display-port-displayport-S098D0HV/#ech=28618109&variationId=S098D0HVCXUU I found it here
Yeah I think so. Some people in our Community have written about it. It was either in comments here or on our Discord. One used a Nokia for 400Hz I think
I have that same delock adapter as you and no matter what I tried, I could not get it to work with any custom resolutions on my windows 7 laptop with Nvidia NVS 5100M. It will just say that the resolution is not supported with this display. It also tells me that this device is not HDCP capable and I am guessing that is why it won't work? Also, even if I use Custom resolution utility and try to run restart, it won't let me and a message will come up saying Failed to restart graphics driver. Unfortunately, I do not own any other device that has a displayport output, so it's etheir the delock itself, or my laptop that is not letting me set up a custom resolution. Can you please tell me how you got yours to work? Thanks!
Hey this sounds like a issue with your GPU or the way your Monitor is set up in Windows. Normally it just works, there is nothing special you have to do. Just go to custom resolution and enter a resolution that you want. Maybe try and change the Monitor to something that can 100% do the resolution that you try. It does not even matter if the Monitor is the correct one, I often just take Mitsubishi TUX 1107 no matter what is actually connected.
@@RetroGamingBase I guess I'll be buying a new computer then. I've seen your videos before and I know that you like pushing the limits of the iiyama CRT monitor that is said to be the fastest CRT monitor in existence, but have you ever tried to run interlaced resolutions on it before? I have a HP laptop from 2022 with Intel UHD graphics 600. I am using a Benfei HDMI to VGA adapter and can push it up to 2040×1400 as that is the max interlaced video resolution that it will accept and looks amazing on my Viewsonic Ultrabrite E70f+. Now I am not sure if newer Intel GPUs still support interlaced video as both big makers Nvidia and AMD seemed to have dropped it years ago, but on Intel's official website, they claim that their newest line of GPUs, Arc works with interlaced video resolutions, which would be absolutely insane if they do. I highly suggest that you give any Intel GPU a try, [to be safe, Intel UHD 600 series or lower since that is what I have been able to prove that works] (even laptop GPUs) just be sure to use Custom Resolution Utility to make a custom interlaced resolution, otherwise it won't work.
I have a Viewsonic E70fb crt and the image shrinks and tilts every now and then so I have to use the buttons on the monitor to tilt back and "stretch" out the image again. Any idea what's causing this and is there any way to fix it?
crts need approximately 30-45 mins to properly warm up afaik. its normal that the image is a little bit shrunk/distorted after switching it on, it should correct itself once warmed up. also i have to readjust the picture in the monitors menu every time i switch to a new resolution+hz combo, so I'd suggest only fiddling with those after the monitor has fully warmed up. If you're talking about random major distortions than maybe somethings broken but i would try out some other settings/resolutions before coming to that conclusion
Some people in our discord have done some crazy things with interlaced. Personally, I have not done much there yet sadly, so I can’t answer that, sadly
Yeah. But StarTech is better. I've a GeForce RTX 4090 GPU + StarTech DP to VGA adapter and... I can work 2560x1600@60Hz! - my video on 19th may 2023. 😍😁🥰
Good info! 😀 I need 100Hz at least though, or my eyes hurt. This Delock here can also do the 2560x1600@60Hz. At least it says so on its box, as you see in the video 😅
@@RetroGamingBase ok. 50Hz doesn't hurt my eyes, sorry but this is for TV or videos of 50fps only because we get pure smooth motion ( = single image). 😍😋😚👌👌 At 100Hz, we get double-image because any video has only 50fps capped. 😅😊
@@ricarnuninho80 oh yeah TV is ok. Just at computer monitor CRTs you need more Hz to make it flicker free 😀👍 Especially in bright pictures or while in windows you notice flickering below around 85hz. At least most people do 😅
@@RetroGamingBase 😊 But I don't like any real CRT 'TV' due to the weak focus, to the dirty picture (color, ghost...)... 🤮😅 I want any CRT 'monitor-computer' at 50Hz for excellent focus, for clear color... 😍👌🤗
@@jimbotron70 haha I know right! 😅 So far it’s still working fine, but yeah I need to be careful now… Well at least I got my YT channel monetised thanks to it, so was not totally pointless 🍻😅
@@jimbotron70 It won't display resolutions that are out of range, since they're out of range. "Modern" CRTs will display an error message or shut off if that happens. Older ones just fall out of sync and display a scrambled image.
Great, this video has been picked up by news outlets - now they will start selling for $2000+ on eBay. Thanks again, retro RU-vid. CRTs have become unobtainable after all these video claiming CRT HAVE AMAZING PERFORMANCE COMPARED TO LED MONITORZZZZ. CRTs should be reserved for usage with era-appropriate machines - full stop. Everything else serves just to raise market prices and let “professional” retro resellers profit from otherwise previously-unknown (and because of that not valuable) specific models of retro equipment. Take the entire PVM scam for example - games were made with super-crappy screens in mind, used with composite - but noooo, retro RU-vid needed to sell all those PVMs at massive jacked-up prices, so let’s just post a “ULTIMATE CRT FOR RETROGAMING!?” video and see those prices skyrocket!
some people just enjoy making videos mate. I know it sucks that prices are only going up because supply is so limited but once they are consistently high enough companies will start producing them again.
And who are you to dictate how should be CRT monitors enjoyed and used? Last time I checked, the civilized world enjoys the benefits of a free market. CRTs will become a rare commodity exactly like vintage watches, cars or motorbikes whether you like it or not. I suppose you either become resourceful enough to grab one for a penny while you still can, or get your income up. But this pathetic whinger attitude aint gonna help you anywhere.
@@easa1912svk lemme guess you’re one of these MAGA weirdos. “This is free market” - free market happens: “oh no look at the gas prices! They’re too high! It’s all old Joe’s fault!1!!1” *cries copiously while not understanding that the free market caused that*.
@@scruffex3736 I like helpful videos. They’re useful and they have a purpose. Pushing a fake narrative (ultimate 700hz screen1!1!1!) only benefits some (at the very least it’s clickbaity and everyone hates click bait) and it doesn’t have a purpose except to raise prices. Which is lose-lose for most users, obviously except those sitting on a warehouse full of stuff that went for $10 yesterday and it’s now $200 thanks to these fake, deceitful videos
@@easa1912svk lemme guess, you’re one of these guys with the rage face crying when their gas prices get too high while simultaneously decanting the free market. Sorry but you’re in no position to talk about how prices work.
Yeah you are right ofc. On the other side, people use ice to overclock CPUs to 10GHz or so just to run one benchmark 😅 sometimes it’s what’s possible that counts I guess 🤷♂️
