The CRT Hype Train Might Be Out of Control... - CRT vs OLED 

Same

This hit too close to home for me. ;_;

Fuck I wanted to say this too lol

Same

Same

Tell that to the AAA games that release constantly with broken HDR and all types of issues. haha

They did look like crap most of the time. It's just that the good graphic was just an addition to gameplay. These days some games are just technical demos without the game itself.

@@PixogenPixels Older games were much more about art direction than pure graphical output. Game developers had a big incentive to think outside the box and ensure their game stood out from the competition. These days, many developers are churning out new games for the simple sake of providing new content for their customers.

I generally think most things look better on modern OLEDs, but there are exceptions. CRTs have a bit of separation between scanlines at lower resolutions, so sprites tend to look brighter and sometimes washed out on OLEDs where that doesn't exist. Also, the blurriness of CRT TVs makes dithering look much smoother and less pixelated than it would on an OLED.

@@camthesaxman3387 dithering is done by nvidia driver be default. As for separation... crt has 2.4 gamma so it was darker.

Now my only question is why do CRTs mute the intensity of yellows and browns?

i Hope that someone invents a "crt filter" for Oled displays that allows you to play old games with the same artifacts you can find on a CRT

aren't catodic rays dangerous for the human eye?

@@chamostrato cathode rays are dangerous in general. That's why they're stuck inside a vacuum tube.

@Josh Stevenson yes. Modern tv's use LED or LCD screens which contain more colors than just RGB and can display wider variety of colors, so game devs no longer needed to compensate.

I'm 32 and grew up with CRTs In the late 90s / early 2000s And still on a CRT from 1998 which I play my older systems on they definitely do still have some advantages one of the biggest ones being how they handle motion and having zero input lag

@HollowRick Alot of people were unaware of their advantages and many people couldn't wait to get rid of them. Most my family members chose samsung as their flat screen of choice. Great flatscreens they were as you could turn the tv from left to right with the swivel feature. I know what TV flatscreen we had but not sure how much it cost us but all I can say it looked really high end and was a massive 40 inches in size lol we did have it with a dvd player and that had surround speakers. I wanted the old 27inch wide-screen CRT for my bedroom and my mum said no lol funny thing is it was already put upstairs because we had no where else to put it because we were selling it. So it could've been mine but instead I stuck with the small CRT which had the DVD player built in.

I'm 21 and I love playing retrogames until Xbox og on my new crt trinitron, I was more excited about this than the new 4k oled TV recently arrived at my house lmao Rgb consoles with a good cable on that crts are the best (excluding pvms of course, n64 on RGB with deblur there is OUTSTANDING and consoles like megadrive its just gorgeous, you really need to watch it by yourself to understand what I say..), for the new ones I would recommend a good oled one with some marseille cable which go nuts, spending money on stuff as rescalators imo is throwing money to the bin just because you don't want a good crt or because of space to get some decent picture on a modern display If you love original hardware and retrogaming do it well and waste the money well done as rgb cables of quality, getting RGB modded consoles.. if not go to the emulation scene totally free not something between that spending a lot unnecessary, that's my view and recommendation :)

@@codehunter77 Awesome 👌

@@brandonlee7382 Np ;) For some reason I cant see my message again lol yt trolling me (I wanted to type upscalers not that btw🤣)

We are all broke already

If I bought ANYTHING Linus recommended, I'd be broke.

Wrong. You have a perfectly good kidney you can sell on the black market ;)

@@wordsmith451 Kidney isn't worth as much as you think. China flooded the market with organs from Falun Gong followers and Uighurs, prices crashed.

As a person who's bought everything Linus recommended, I am currently sitting at a grand total of 1 cent.

_13 YEARS?_ Dang, that's honestly impressive. RIP to your table and CRT

it probably took down the house with it

@@Ra-Hul-K Hahaha

I had a slightly similar experience with my 46" Samsung LCD, except it wasnt the table that exploded it was the glass stand that the tv actually ships with. The weight was too much for it to handle and one evening late at night whilst my parents were sleeping I was getting in a quiet session of Just Cause 2 when the base exploded so loudly it was akin to a gun shot. I still have the tv to this day and it still has some leftover glass on the base from over a decade ago.

@@masterzela Hahaha good thing its still working, hauling out a dead 46 inch crt sounds like a nightmare.

Why would you threw that out lmfao. Consumerism at it's finest.

@@Toxic2T yeah crazy but that’s the way it goes

@@Toxic2T Agreed, we still have ours in the basement. Why throw away a fully functional piece of technology like that? Ours is just a small CRT but I've also already secured a big one from a neighbour that I can take once I move into my own place and have the necessary space. :)

@@Pit1993x Hell yeah! They will be extremely useful someday :))

@@Pit1993x sometimes you can't keep everything you've owned, you gotta draw the line somewhere. Personally I'd have kept the CRT, but then again, I didn't keep any of mine?

Soo... who is next up for their Show & Tell? :-)

100% agree

Ditto.

Three Monitor CRT Gaming Battel Station..

@@shadowr2d2 it too

I've also had experiences with regular CRTs where they sometimes don't work with the NES Zapper. Some make it miss 100%, and others would register a hit anywhere on the screen. Other lightguns work fine with them though.

@@tim3172 Watch out!!!! Your new TV will have a different remote¬!! I am pissed off I can't just keep using this old one. THATS BAD DESIGN ;)

@@nathanddrews Especially if you have those little plastic twiddler knobs for contrast brightness saturation and blue levels. Over time they get unresponsive so making a small adjustment is impossible unless you have a tiny pixie sized wife to deal with them ...... ahem tiny knobs :D

@@tim3172 Imagine being a smartass when someone is trying to help others from wasting $1000+ on what they think was a standardized technology. They didn't cover it in the video, nothing wrong with covering it in the comments section.

Those models came with an included “hard mode” as a feature.

Also colors. Like with crosscode the colors are just wrong on the CRT since they were designed for LCD. While with old games designed on crt they are too colorful and unrealistic on LCD and look correct on crts.

But then gameboy become a thing and suddenly sprites worked perfectly on lcd.

@@gigabooga it wasn't a matter of limitations it was a matter of design. At the time of the early consoles CRT televisions made up the vast majority of all TVs so the designers made their sprite art to work within the tools available. When working with a handheld with an LCD screen and when LCD TVs became the more popular medium the artwork was adjusted to work with the more common medium

@@gigabooga were you not old enough to actually play a game boy cuz I promise you sprites did not look good lol

I think the 8 bit era and earlier games look great in clean HD because of their much simpler sprites with only a few colors. Later sprite games from the 16 bit and 32 bit era look a lot better with some sort of CRT shader to smooth out their much busier and more colorful sprites.

It's especially noticable on black and white sets, the blacks are more greys.

@@trash_miner That's probably due to age and wear and knob-twiddling though. A monochrome CRT can have very pure black if it's set up to do so, but as the CRT wears, people turn up the drive circuit to get more brightness so the device remains useful, even at the expense of black becoming gray.

That's why you get the glow. Afterglow. It's phosphorus.

I remember touching the static as a kid after turning off the tv

the contrast of CRTs isn't actually very good, the glow of lit phosphors spreads pretty far under the glass and lights up areas that should be darkened. I'm not sure where this misinformation started but it's apparently not going anywhere...they still have good contrast, just not anywhere near OLED. there's still numerous other advantages to a CRT though. Also all of the shit this guy showcased, he's outputing a lot of stuff that should be 240p at 480i, he's really not doing any justice to the 15khz set...

Yep, some digital conversions make it quite bad.

I'm not really convinced those techniques were done to exploit CRTs or composite displays because they are used on many pixel-perfect LCD/Handheld systems which do not have any such effect. That suggests to me it's just a general technique to workaround hardware limitations, not something designed specifically against the effects the output signal has on the message. For Example, Mario Tennis on the GBC uses a flickering sprite for shadows as well; but of course the GBC doesn't have phosphor afterglow. It doesn't make sense to me that a technique was used to exploit this or that detail of CRT or the signal effects on the image if those techniques were used in situations where those same effects and details were not present.

can you imagine optimizing your hardware to that level today? Turning bugs into features.

@@BCProgramming The flickering shadow transparency on GameBoy was because the screen was so bad it would blend each together for a pseudo transparency or more shades than the screen could produce. Even the GBA used flicker transparency. The screens had pretty bad response times by modern standards. nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2019/05/screen-persistence-and-gba-lcd-abuse.html

That's easily fixed in a proper emulator (not the crap "backwards compatibility" consoles nowadays shove out the door).

My KD 34XBR970 has a toggle in advanced settings to adjust red from normal to monitor. This dials back the red a lot, but can hurt because I think it dials it back too much. Some games need the extra red

@@segasdreamer Some games were probably "mastered" in that kind of mode, so they did not realise their colours were bias a little.

I have never seen a sony TV survive past 20 years. At least being in active use. Eventually that power supply button or something inside will crap out.

@@AC3handle i was born in 03 and my parents had their crt b4 I was alive, it has always seen active use cause it was all I had to game on till I was like 12 and since then I've used it regularly (once/twice a week with friends) and it's still kicking around and it has no issues, I might just be the luckiest dude ever to have used it for 10000s of hours and never had it shit out tho.

@@segasdreamer I don't have a lot of experience with later HD XBRs so I can't say if the setting you mentioned is the same as the older service menu setting but I have noticed this too when disabling the red push, particularly on older and heavier used sets. So, after disabling it I usually do a quick and easy color recalibration by adjusting the red color's bias (cutoff) and gain (drive) to bring the strength of the red properly in line with green and blue. Luckily, consumer Trinitrons allow you to perform this adjustment through the service menu. I think this occurs because the from-factory red push causes the red gun and phosphors to wear out more quickly than blue and green, so if it is disabled after years of operation, the red can look weak in comparison without further calibration.

What kind of things can you do with a TV you "can't talk about." You guys snorting phosphor tubes or somethin?

Very rough because the Wii outputs 480i and 480p. I prefer Dolphin emulator. I own a Triniton 4:3 CRT TV.

It actually looks pretty good as long as you run a component cable for it. Standard video isn't gonna cut it anymore.

I have a wii. Grew up playing the wii as a kid on a lcd tv but recently tested it on my crt and wow it looks so much better on the crt than a flat screen

@@saricubra2867 not true at all, it looks great

@@LJ7000 But blurry vs HD.

i did an s-video mod on my genesis and have seen similar effects, like metal not getting the intended gradient, even on a crt

The games were made for CRT, thats the difference. I totally agree.

Also because he has a shitty filter over it. I don't know how linus calls it out as "like a filter" when it literally is a filter. I'm not saying the OLED would look better than crt, but those filters are horrible and I don't know why you would have it on for a test like this.

there you go. the only reason why CRT had points. games were designed for it.

Nope, that's not the issue with the workings of electron beam, but yes, it is the issue with blending of adjascent "pixels" in a horizontal lines. Old games were designed not only for CRT, but for composite signal on a CRT. Composite had artifacts mostly with bleeding colors to adjascent pixels, especially so if the image was made of bars (for example, if you feed CRT an image, where every odd vertical line is black and every even vertical line is white, via a composite signal, you will get a gray screen). Developers used this artifacts to their advantage. Great example is waterfalls in the first level of Sonic The Hedgehog 2 - they look transparent when you play using composite signal. But composite signal wasn't the only way of outputting an image to CRT - there also were s-video, component (YPbPr) and the best of them all, RGB, which mostly was used on professional equipment in USA, but in Europe it was available on most consumer TVs and monitors. If you'll play old games on CRT via RGB the image will look much, MUCH sharper and there will be no color bleed, games will look much better, but all the effects that was intended for composite will look wrong. Returning to Sonic 2 example, the waterfalls will consist of bars, and will not look like transparent water as was intended. This is extremely noticeable on playstation (the first one), the console had a hardware effect called dithering, which developers could turn on and off in games. This effect covers whole screen (afaik) and make the image look somewhat foggy or blured, I don't really know how to describe it. This was achieved by covering every second pixel of the screen with a different shade of the color that was in the original picture, in a checkerboard pattern. This effect looks horrible when displayed via RGB. The best example will be Silent Hill, just look at comparisons between composite and RGB in this game, both displayed on a CRT - you'll immediately understand what I'm talking about. But if a game wasn't relying on artifacts of composite signal it will look so much better when outputted via RGB. So the issue is not only about a type of display, but also about the type of signal fed to it. P.S: there's a demoscene production called "8088 MPH" (by Hornet + CRTC +DESiRE) that was made for 1981 IBM PC with intel 8088 CPU and original CGA graphics adapter. This hardware, even when special hacks were used, could only display no more than 16 colors simultaneously on screen, but this guys, using a very clever abuse of composite signal artifacts, made it display 1024 colors at once. I highly recommend watching this demo, it's amazing.

They weren't. They were optimized to run on a system with a tiny fraction of the computing power we have today. If CRTs never existed and people used LCD screens, nothing would have been different in terms of the art. Consoles of the time had so many limitations in terms of memory, color space, and speed that you had no other choice but to make pixel sprites or eventually very jagged 3D models with limited textures as time went on.

@@Straviradius I think the limitation was what made games awesome during those times because it made devs be crafty and scrappy with their designing of games.. where today they have become lazy and you can tell especially when putting a game out that is cross platform .. it's an unfortunate double edge sword of modern game development.

@@Straviradius there are subtle differences in pixel and art design based upon the display. Look no further than say, the difference between Gameboy Advance games and the SNES. Graphically they are very similar at first glance, but the GBA games naturally have a slightly washed out colour look on original hardware due to no screen light. Put those same games on a TV and suddenly the colours are too saturated, due to them not being designed for that purpose.

@@Straviradius You basically just said that they weren't... except for the fact that they were.

Arcade monitors were the best

Enjoy!

If it makes you happy and it doesn't harm any one it can't be that stupid :)

If it makes you feel any better, I have 5 of them lmao

Honestly I'm keeping an eye out for a little CRT monitor in my area just for fun, don't even need something fancy

I have a Dell CRT sitting on my desk just for doing repairs or because I do not want to dump it. Decided to just keep it until it dies or I do.

light guns needed to beable to drive and flash some part of the screen for them to work is more to the point. Motion sensing on CRTs for a time was trivial, at least relative to LED and LCDs.

Beside from the blur effect, the poor quality from the composite signal actually helps that aswell. The infamous waterfall on Sonic 1 (a Genesis game), took advantage of that.

were still in the 32 bit era just saying

@@strictlynineties Most processors have been 64 bit capable for over a decade now. I'd definitely say we're NOT in the 32 bit era, even if many codes are made in 32 bits for the sake of backwards compatibility. And if we speak about memory bus, graphics cards 5 years ago were capable of handling 192 bits, that's the bus width for a GTX1060, one of the most popular graphics cards still nowadays.

I think dithering was from composite signal, not the CRT itself, you'd get those waterfall effects on a flatscreen with the real console, but not with a CRT and an emulator (but it wouldn't look pixellated on the CRT)

apple watch with CRT display.

not that much further, the issues of crt persist. them being the fact that a mechanical part has to move, this results in two very well known issues size and quality. you cannot go much higher quality because then the delay between refreshes would become obvious due to the fact that the "line" needs time to move. you could cercomvent this by adding extra lamps and mirrors and what not but then you run into issue number two size, they are already massive. all in all if you're actually interested in a modern take look at a lazer projector, basically the same principle only your screen is further away

@@lugaidster well said

@@ThaGr1m There are no moving parts in a CRT. I believe you are thinking about DLP technology. There is nothing mechanical whatsoever in any CRT.

@@billmilosz CRT's have circuit boards inside them, and the parts do degrade, and need replacing. You don't want a shtty old capacitor to start leaking all over the board, that's the death of the monitor, lol. And even if they don't leak, you still need to replace them, because otherwise the image processing gets messed up, and the image distorts and twists as you use the monitor. xD CRT's don't have moving parts, but they do have a lot of components, so yeah, they need maintenance.

all emulation looks great in 4k with no shaders and other garbage. pure resolution bump removes all aliasing and anisatrophy removes flickering

Would have really liked to see that

currently playing Elden Ring on my FW900 and i have a OLED TV i much prefer my CRT on it. something about it just just pure perfection.

The CRT-Royale-NTSC preset in Retroarch is I think the best I've found. It can do the waterfalls in Sonic 2 and Dracula's eyeglow in PS1 castlevania nearly perfectly.

@@tsartomato I find myself not liking the way a lot of games look when upscaled. 3D games look so much more crude, 2D games look so much more rough, and any anti-aliasing in 2D looks like hot garbage. 2D graphics back in the day were designed with limitations of CRT in mind, and definitely look much better when displayed how the artists originally made them.

Despite all of that, the CRT won for every test.

How to eliminate it on camera? Do you know? (Just asking lol)

@@FakYuhGoogel Not on text and color (i can't stop looking at Linus's GDM FW900 monitor, beautiful on my Motorola OLED phone)

It pains me Dx long time CRT user but I would not use CRT unless the room is pitch black, cannot stand the washed out look that happens. I feel like it takes away a lot from the video, for what a CRT looks like in pitch black and how close it gets to OLED contrast, have a look at r/CRTgaming. Important note that people miss when talking about CRTs though, they do not reach the same contrast as OLED: even for a pure black signal the raster is not 0v and you can set it to be that but it. crushes blacks, and even if it was possible CRTs suffer greatly from OLED type image retention, so the black areas won't get black for a while after that have been lit up. The worst problem by far though is light scatter: because of the amount of glass in a CRT, after electrons hit the phosphors light can bounce around a lot far across the screen, resulting in very bad low-local-dimming-zones type blooming and slight washing out. That all means that in some content, especially consistently bright content, even the best CRT will look far from OLED contrast. In some content though it's definitely close enough that the other benefits of CRTs make it the winner IMO. Would highly recommend people see a well set up CRT irl in pitch black, even if it doesn't convince you it's definitely an experience. (I stress well set up - they are very difficult to set up properly and I always tune mine to the content I am watching)

The rainbow effect was practically impossible for me to ignore. It alone could kill the HD CRT for me as an option.

Same, I got this for movies vs. gaming, but it was a fun last hurrah for the technology. It wasn't cheap though and I remember why they didn't sell well. When I moved I chose not to take it with me though as it was a monster. Donated it to a neighbor who was TV repair guy back in the day and he still has it last we talked.

Yes, component alone looks a lot better but the PS2 DOES NOT support progressive scan on all games. Some games you can press this combo but most of them, especially games that were multiplatform, didnt support 480p on the PS2.

The GameCube, Dreamcast and Xbox were better in this regard, the only issue with GC was the expensive cable at the time, but the amount of games not compatible with progressive scan is very small compared to the PS2

GameCube only had up to 480p also known as Enhanced Definition. High Definition is 720p minimum.

They supported ED not HD. The Xbox and PS2 had a couple (like 3/4) that would actually support HD.

It's a natural antialiasing since the "pixels" aren't squares. Watch the video about Linus's GDM FW900 CRT monitor.

Some oleds can make mask filter effects to replicate that feel

Absolutely. It's the same reason people apply filters to Photoshop composites right at the end; it helps unify the image.

scanlines also help sharpen out edges byt masking the slight blurs pixel to pixel its not *quite* the same but if you try turning scanlines on and off on a oled or LCD display in the emulator you notice the graphics look better under scanlines so much so they even sell hardware scanline generators to apply this effect back to retro consoles on LCD and oled

Try them on horror games. A vga crt monitor thats high resolution looks amazing.

3rd Strike also looks LEAGUES LEAGUES LEAGUES better with scanlines. That game is so pretty but looks GROSS with actual pixels.

The only possibly acceptable excuse for relying on CRTs. Until we find a better solution.

@@Ivao. ???? Third Strike is gorgeous dude, one of the prettiest games out there. I guess you could argue that the background in Remy's stage is a little but crusty but the character sprites look excellent, imo.

Who's got winner?

Definitely this, it really makes the whole process easier and alot cheaper, get Anthony on it!

Por fa Linus, pruebate un rgb pi y flipa, deja de mierdas escaladas....

too good to be true

The better choice to enjoy retrogaming on CRT.

And please use proper old-school games plugged into good-old 15 khz sets, not into crappy hd flat screen 100 hz ones

too bad mechanics sucks in my opinion . remake is much better but game does looks amazing

Why? Because someone else said it's good now? This is all bs hype honestly

It's worth what someone else is willing to pay. I agree with you, and that it's very silly, but eh.

@@FreedomForAll2013 No because there's a market for it now and instead of chucking it coulda been worth some decent coin lol

@@FreedomForAll2013 I honestly think CRTs are overrated for newer stuff and just movies in general but for like actual PS2 games and older, they often looked better on them. Also a flat screen just doesn't look right in a retro gaming room. That said, I wouldn't want to use one as a daily driver TV.

@@FreedomForAll2013 - No, it's because I could have sold it for some good money in this market.

I could barely play my xbox games on my flatscreen whatever it is and I got a free sanyo bottom shelf rf component cable only input crt and it was an incredible improvement

you mean composite

@@idkrossplay The PS2 had options for both composite (two audio, one video) and component (three video, two audio) cables.

You are mostly right. Few edge cases like ar tonelico I prefer non crt. Games with 3d models tho definitely look better on crt.

@@idkrossplay no component is way better. Tho some games where component doesn't work so good to have composite as backup

Now they do .. I don't know if you remember when flatscreens first became a thing and widespread... their image quality was so horrifically bad it's a wonder they ever got widespread adoption at all.. it only happened because all tv manufacturers just collectively moved on from CRT

that's how this stuff works. By the time people are like, wait, what ever happened to X? Then they are like, wait, X was actually way better for Y than Z! Now it's rare, pricey, etc. High quality tape players, Vinyl pressings, etc.

CRTs don't "rot" - there is nothing wrong with them. They just weren't advertised properly.

@@dieselbaby sure thing buddy

im the guy who bought the decent ones in 2011 and stored them,thanks for making them more rare for me hahahaha

You make me cry hearing about that, i salvage CRTs especially models from the 2000s when they were at there peak.

Geez that is some petty behaviour. LCD screens were catching on in the mid 2000s?

@@Thomasmemoryscentral Yes they were, but they didn't overtake CRT sales till 2008-2009. And it was in large part because getting a good CRT was already getting hard as less and less stores even stocked them in reasonable numbers due to logistics and shelf space.

Recently I found 2005 80cm LCD Fujitsu-Siemens Myrica V32 it weights 20kg but has terribly slow display. My 80cm pixel+ crt thomson(60kg) was much beter... now i collect 50cm sony trinitrons optimal size for retro gaming i can move it by my self andd it does not ocupy that much space.

I mean in fairness, first of all, lol who the fuck can afford to just drop that kind of money on a massive OLED. On the other, CRTs are soon going to be more expensive than OLED thanks to rarity vs industry of scale. But then on the other hand, let's be honest here, we're talking about 1990s technology that died out in the 2000s, so you're still getting stuck with 1990s visual tech for when Half Life was a riveting visual experience--in other words, back when us kids would say excitedly how much better muh grafix, because the graphics genuinely sucked so much ass back then that even I as a child could understand that Westwood's games looked freaking terrible. Like do you all remember Command and Conquer Red Alert? The little moving clump of 12 pixels that we called "soldiers"? Oh yeah fuck that, ain't no way I'm going back. I could even tell back then it looked so bad on all games, I mean we're talking about in 2022 terms what was basically a bunch of pixelart .gifs running at each other. That's what we had to play with back in my day. Pixelart .gifs So while I rescind some earlier things I said dunking on CRT because yes, you had those smudged pixels and I do think Starcraft Broodwar looked better on CRT, I mean...it looked bad overall for a reason. Everything looked bad. The tech just wasn't there. Like, I consistently say how much I don't care about FSR and DLSS because of the smudging, so why would I want to look at something even lower res and lower pixel count and still smudged? It only looks bad compared to really blocky LEDs back in the day. Or even 1366x768, hell tbh 1080p actually looks bad enough to me now I just can't. So. I'd rather have OLED if it's okay in price. The one thing I'll concede is yeah, you really do need period correct hardware for some of the real oldies, and I'd rather play Starcraft Broodwars on a CRT. Anyone up for a quick 7v1 cpu? It's not me I swear it's xXarchangel_69Xx he's the bs'er!

I have a Sony Trinitron wega I got back in 2006, display item. I got it for 476$ or so. It was a great deal. It was $1000 brand new at the time, has amazing speakers also. But in 2011 it started acting up. Now if you turn it off you can't turn it back on for at least a week or two and need to unplug it. If you don't do this it'll just keep shutting itself off everytime. All TV's have there pros and cons depending on what your playing on them. And yeah in 2006 the crts we're on their way out, only a.few models like Toshiba Sony Samsung RCA were available while flat TV's like the Westinghouse for $800 was very tempting but it was 32" so smaller and worse contrast. I will say I remember the color popping pretty good on the Westinghouse on the curious George movie they were showing on them, but my tv I got also displayed color great like in Madagascar. And when they let me hook up my 360 to the tv and try out a game a played quake 4 and was sold on it.

Flat screens only really took off in like 2006-7

That's the unique thing that the Ring (Ringu) will never be able to recreate with today's streaming & widescreen OLEDs.

I picked up a CRT off the side of the road a few years back that had a HDMI port. I was astounded.. but yeah. They keep making stuff way after the people in the know have switched away

@@jacksonblack9408 Wow another person who found a TV on the side of the road, why do people do that to perfectly working CRT's!

@@crazywarp36 your reply sounds super sarcastic haha but I'm only 50% sure it was meant that way. The main part of my point was that it had HDMI. HDMI was sort of only a thing post 2006, and I sort of think of crts as bring 90s and earlier

legit, i got a regular crt from some relatives and i had to go looking for another newer high refresh rate one (good thing i have the space to keep both lol) because the whine combined with the flickering basically ensures i will get a headache if i try to use it for more than a few minutes without headphones on frame interpolation (if that's even what it is) was unfortunately not great in '97 though so pick your poison i guess

Get a high refresh rate CRT monitor.

Sony High-Scan Chassis... Double the horizontal frequency! You will never worry about that 15.7 screaming again! It is just not there... I don't know anyone that can hear the 31.4Khz...

True, I hated being around CRTs as a kid because it hurt my ears. Once I got into retro games in high school I just learned to live with it.

Every lcd i owned before i got my 144hz whined like crazy. This is not a crt specific issue.

Remember, energy consumption = heat, and there's no way around that.

Sorry, but I have a couple of Sony 21" CRT monitors running in my tiny little gaming cave (well shed), and it's the summer, they put out a little warmth yes if you put your hand right over the vents, but my 32" LED monitor gets equally hot, and my PC puts out several times more heat than them all put together, if you want a display that puts out a ton of heat, then its OLED, the newer models actually have huge heatsinks to cool them down to reduce artefacts and improve brightness.

@@Wobble2007 Plasma TVs especially the Panasonic Viera series are right up there with OLED sporting massive heatsinks and active cooling fans, I like my 50" Viera because it's got CRT like contrast and with such a deep chassis it's got excellent sound, I have a MASSIVE old Sharp CRT that came with my house that still works flawlessly, it may very well end up being a shop TV because it's picture quality is right up there with even my "newer" plasma TV and the Panasonic, main reason I went with the Viera for my daily driver is there's no motion blur like LCD and select LED screens and it's too heavy to steal, took 4 guys to get it up the stairs and 4 guys ain't gonna get it down the stairs and out the door before police and armed and intoxicated neighbors show up

@@cokeacolasucks he didn't say anything against that?

@@vacexpert2020 I owned FW900 i numerous 22" 19" CRTs there was no heat. On the other hand Panasonic plasma in front of your face you will feel that heat so much that you cant actually have it in that way near you.

Yeah, my old 32" 576i CRT from the late '90s weighed in excess of 15 stone, I could only imagine the weight of an HD monstrosity.

@@fattomandeibu You need 2 people to position it lol not for the faint of heart. I had a 60" trinitron clone from Blaupunkt, and it was like a train carriage 🤣 I knew a guy who had an even worse TV, it was a plasma projection TV which in it's stand was 5ft high, then at the base about 2-3 foot wide. You couldn't even move it!

@@DailyCorvid Yep. My friend had a Trinitron and it took a lot of work moving that thing.

I was using an Electrohome ECP4500 CRT projector. 1080i/720p. Awesome for gaming but its a lot of work to setup and very heavy. Its like having traffic lights laid sideways. Was 58th in the world in Killzone 2 mp.

@@ecp4500 "Its like having traffic lights laid sideways" 🤣 OMG that sounds pretty bloody awful! I am guessing then that the actual panels are amazing! 58th in the world? I am no FPS player these days, but I can appreciate that 58th out of a few million says you put a lot of time and effort into that. Which I commend! People might say its only video games, but it really doesn't matter what the task is. Being in the top 100 is a fairly high level, you are almost in the top 50 as well :)

I'll pass my ps2 to my future kids too. I'm 19 though lol.

@Pointless Rat Race nah kids are nice

@@dirt_xo kids are the best thing you can have, even though sometimes you might doubt that. And mainly family.

Got me boys an Amlogic game box and a CRT television, they're loving it so much it's not even funny

I still play old games to this day on CRT TVs, like the SNES system, and I have my original PS2 that I still use to this day and we just got another that we saw at a thrift store as backup. We saw an original NES system at a thrift store too but were second guessing getting it but then when we decided we wanted it and went back, it was gone. Sad. 😞 There's also an original PS1 and Xbox 360 there too, both of which I never owned but I did play on someone's 360 when I visited. I'm only 20 now, but I feel like an old-timer at heart. I missed out on the explosive growth of computers and games.

what old titles you still need now ???

Also, since my SNES stopped working I've been using an emulator on an old Wii hooked up to a 21" Trinitron I found on the sidewalk last winter, and it's the first time emulation has actually felt like original hardware. No USB latency, no display latency, and the emulation latency isn't noticeable on its own.

Yes.. but no. Tv's look warm, cold, light and dark and can be adjusted, etc. You just hope that the monitor/monitors your testing on gives you a good middle ground.

@@FrosteMelon Yes you are right, after all manufacturers used to set this properties based on many factors, including product line, brand recognition and quality of parts based on market of a specific product. But people will always oversimplify things to validate their own beliefs.

That transparency effect doesn't work unless you are using a really shoddy video signal like RF on older CRTs so that point us moot

Convergence. Real pain in the ass let me tell me. Company I worked for had a Barco CRT projector monster they were still using while CRT tech was exiting the business. They had a whole load of sony PVM's too...

If I remember, they could weight almost 150lb depending on size and model. The 34" Panasonic HD crt I had weighed around 130lb if I recall correctly.

@@AaronHendu my trinitron hd display is 220lbs iirc

A few years ago I caught the crt bug and found local a 40 inch Trinitron, damn thing was virtually a piece of furniture. It weighs somewhere around 300 pounds

My mom and dad were using a massive 36 or 38 inch Sharp 4:3 CRT until like 2016 because as my dad said "it works better than my eyes do" so he refused to replace it so I bought them a 40 inch flat screen and replaced it while they were on vacation. It took me and 2 friends to move it.

My father had a 400lbs CRT big TV. It was heavy and it was difficult to move it around. Eventually got rid of it because it was so difficult of moving it around.

Got mine

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For me it's Vizio 32 inch 720p hdtv from 2009-2010. It displayed 480p perfectly w/o upscaling with direct vga input via LCD, not LED.

@@crashbandicoot5636 This ain't tiktok

Don't tell me 🤧 unfortunately mine broke after 20 years

I've still got mine in the garage. Might be time to list it for sale lol

Depends on what it is though, some are worth a decent bit of wonga, some only a few £$, A nice Sony 14"/21"/25" in good condition with a healthy tube is worth a fair few £$ for instance, or a JVC D-Series, Toshiba A Series, sets like those can go for a good price if they are in good condition, PC CRTs are the most expensive, a decent 19"/21" high resolution/refresh rate CRT monitor will fetch hundreds if it's got a healthy tube. And PVM/BVM sets can be a small fortune.

@@B1G_UN1T Why list it for sale when you can use it?

@@crazywarp36 8 like the size of my 55" OLED more

Yeah! And I've seen records and tapes everywhere again. But I'm waiting for the VHS comeback... And oh yeah... though I've seen instamatic cameras in loads of places, when's the daguerreotype making a comeback? Can't wait to hang some next to my cave paintings! 👍

Yup, the moment I found emulators, the moment I forgot about the actual hardware, let me enjoy these games on the go on a flashcart or laptop any day. I don't need perfection, I just want good enough so I can enjoy the content.

@@Rikorage yep. For the most part, I just stick to using emulation on my pc these days out of convenience. It’s good enough where I don’t even notice the difference. Even when compared to fpga.

believe it or not most people can still find cheap crt's

@@IAm-zo1bo Yeah cause this is just a fad

I still think a CRT monitor like the FW900 from the previous video is more versatile than these CRT TVs, part of the weight is the sound system besides the cathode Ray tube itself, FW900 is just pure screen.

@Toroidal Zeus but they can't do 1440p and high Hz, right?

@@IAm-zo1bo nah i have a magnavox that i got from goodwill for 12 bucks and its not nearly as good as the ones shown in the video.still keep it on my desk for retro gaming though.

I miss my old 19" beast, it had a bit higher res specs and 1080P felt like a step backwards.

@@GamingDad Same, I had a high-end Viewsonic that did 2048x1536, but IIRC only 60hz.

And nowadays pro CSGO players buy LCD "gaming" crap monitors.

Personal preference perhaps? I too don't see myself getting a CRT for retro gaming. However there is a difference between and I would argue a lot is nostalgia related. Just the same reason vinyl is back and even some tapes. I found some of my tapes when cleaning basement and couldn't resist to play them, surprisingly I rather enjoyed the sound. But the whole rewinding was awful and IMHO I didn't feel it was worth the effort to get a deck. I still want a vinyl player though. If I had the space I would definitely build a retro hifi, as I totally dig the mechanical look. For me that alone would do it. I don't have the same fond feelings about CRT. I used to think CRT was good until I had a good IPS LCD side by side and difference was night and day (not in favor of CRT). So anyway, I don't think it's fair to call these scam purchases, it's not uncommon retro stuff makes a comeback. If folks want them and willing to pay, why the heck not?

Actually they are still e-waste, I've found my two crt tvs on the roadside :D Just this year I've found at least 4-5 crts (and left them, I don't have that space at home)

Okay now we have another tier: original hardware andys, CRT andys, SONY PVMs andys.

Videophiles lol

The picture might be more crisp with good geometry but when it comes to my 14" & 20" PVM and my JVC D-series and trinitrons, I go for the D-series every time. The colors don't pop out like they do on consumer sets and I get bored looking at the PVM's.

Light guns don’t work on hd crt’s anyway I thought

@@pistachiodisguisey911 it was a 720i. Not even p. No humidity, just a monitor and a dvi input, along with s video and rgb. It worked

@@pistachiodisguisey911 They do when you turn off the internal upscaling in the service menu.

@@hamoodhabibi8254 this is linus tech tips, 240i exist prolly…my niqa

@@pistachiodisguisey911 light guns work in any CRT, it's not related to the resolution, but the the way TVs work

Exactly. You can't tell me modern games looks better on a CRT. That's just ridiculous.

That's my opinion as well

I wish they showed Shovel Knight on the HD CRT, would be curious to see a NES inspired game on a wide-screen CRT

Also this. My wife bought me a copy of my favorite PS1 game for my birthday one year, and I hadn't used my PS1 since I made a Retropie. So I hooked up the A/V cables, and to my surprise, got nothing but a black and white output with a ton of issues refresh rate issues. No issue with the component/composite on my PS2/Dreamcast. Hooked it up to the old trinitron in our guest room? Bam. Perfect picture.

Very good point, my main issue with CRT, and maybe you can help, is finding how to send an HDMI or DP to RCA or Cable plug for my CRT. I have tons of old games on my computer that would be so much more fun on the TV, but I cannot find a converter anywhere for this purpose, only for going from old to new, not new to old. Also, you cannot buy a new TV now that is not "Smart," and those all slow down with time being they have computers inside you cannot maintain as end user. 2 year old Smart Samsung and LG mid-tiers both run as slow as my 5 year old Roku, even with fresh factory resets and updates...

@@joshuaadams4945 sorry didn't see this until now. Depends on your TVs inputs, you can get a HDMI to RCA composite box for cheap the image wont be great though. so for a clearer image it depends on what the other inputs your CRT TV has. svideo? scart? sending a digital signal from your pc out and converting to an analog signal will require some conversion inbetween.

Woooooow! That´s interesting

@@nicomarino96 oled ain't lasers broski

@@nicomarino96 oled has a native resolution unlike crt and non native resolutions look blurry. They still have input lag although it's way lower than lcd

I thought about building a scanning-laser apparatus like that. The issue with any scanning-beam display is image persistence; you'd need to replicate that property of CRT/plasma phosphor coatings to make that happen.

@@RandomUser-tj3mg One nitpick - color CRTs aren't perfect on the native resolution front either. While no scaling is involved, the shadowmask/aperture grille's dot pitch does create a sort of native resolution in and of itself.