Hey Guys, this was the first video that was made about this exercise: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9cfN_mSzsOM.html We think it was necessary to make another one. In the new one we go way more in detail and explain with physics and anatomy why the biceps works in this movement, how you should do it and what's the main goal of it.
Maybe you can do other more in depth videos like this. It really helped me because for example I was only guessing about the biceps' role in straigth arm excercises. (Im beginner with about 5 seconds tucked planche and really wondered how should I position my elbows) Thank you for the amazing video.
Assuming that normal push ups has 90% triceps and 10% biceps. This variation “ 8:10 “ maybe has 70% triceps and 30% biceps because of the lever it has changed. But it is still a tricep dominant movement and the bicep is only a stabiliser of the movement.
@@charlynelson210 1. Please explain me where you get that random numbers from. 2. The shoulder is the most dominant muscle in that movement not the ticeps.
Yeah, I reckon it's because of his video 😅. On a serious note, can You and Daniel talk about the value of Muscle Ups for people (like myself) that have a hooked acromion? I'm considering giving up on training for Bar Muscle Ups based on Jeff Cavaliers' video.
@@johnlee7699 muscle ups are not a part trick if don't right The way he talks about doing it with momentum and it's more about technique But if you do it with no momentum and clean form you will feel the difference
@@roufeyel7866 Being legit doesn´t mean he can´t be wrong sometimes. He actually makes a few good points in his video, which are adressed in the response. It´s more of a matter of approach to training.
@ It might have been easy to perform but doing it with pants and slippers on a long term basis will rather work the triceps and lead to muscle imbalance.
@@dragonwater5773 nailed it, for beginner progressions start with a blue top, hat and pants, slowly work up to blue shorts and no shirt as this is the most advanced progression
I find this debate very interesting. As someone who integrated the biceps push-up into my regular workout, I did feel a dangerous amount of tension in my wrists, and not enough tension in my biceps, to the point where I just had to phase it out and replace it entirely. Jeff's video was very well put together, and a lot of his points regarding load and bicep function resonated with me. Watching this video, however, I wonder if my form was just off and I never bothered to correct it. What's also important to note for those watching, is that at the end CaliMove and Jeff both end up at basically the same conclusion: Although the biceps pushup may be effective to some extent most of the work falls on your triceps and shoulders, and both give examples of the chin-up and inverted rows as good examples of more effective bicep building exercises. Both channels seem to have very good points for their case for or against the exercise. I hope this debate keeps civil and informative, and doesn't turn into a shit flinging contest like some past RU-vid fitness arguments have. Thanks for the fantastic content, CaliMove!
You should also check out FitnessFAQs as he posted a vidro on the topic too. But only only because of that. His content is as good as Calimove's. And he is a very likeable person.
To add to your comment though, my wrists are also weak and not flexible like yours, so I avoid the biceps hand placement shown in the video and do them with my wrists turned out. It places less strain on the wrists but the biceps are completely our of the picture this way. Insane shoulder exercise though, just as intended.
DigiJoJoNarutard 1253 The “work” falls on those muscles, but the biceps is still under great tension even though it isn’t going through much range of motion. Even though it isn’t great for hypertrophy, that isn’t really the point of the excercise. It is supposed to strengthen the tendons and the elbow join in that mechanically disadvantageous position. It is really useful because strength in that position carries over to common harder variations of certain exercises that require a strong supinated straight arm position.
I just wanted to say how much have your videos evolved over the years, particularly looking at this one, you're going deeper into the science behind all this and I absolutely love it. Not that you weren't going deep before, but now with the animations, the information you're trying to pass onto people is even clearer. So simply keep up the great work!
Finding a happy medium between this channel and Athlean-X: the message here is that the bicep push-up can be effective IF you do it correctly, and doing so is very difficult. Athlean-X says that there are far easier ways to work the bicep at home. So from a certain POV, both channels are correct in their relative positions.
SteVeL It’s not that simple though. Yes, a bicep curl is great for working biceps and will be great for hypertrophy. But does a bicep curl help you build greater straight arm bicep strength? That is the main reason why the biceps pushup is special in the first place.
@@darkninja___ You worded it nicely. I like Athlean X and have used alot of what Jeff says but for me personally, I want the mobility and athleticism of martial artists and gymnasts. So this and Daniel's channel are my go to for what they can do with bodyweight exercises
Well it's a response. Fitness FAQ's and we did a video about the Biceps Push Ups about 2 years ago. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9cfN_mSzsOM.html Jeff saw those videos and made a video out of it. Now we're just showing why his version can't work.
This video is extremely informative and detailed. The graphics also make it a lot easier to grasp. It not only explains why the biceps push up works, but also teaches you how to do it properly.
Your examples, as well as stretching, flexibility, are so important. The flexibility part is completely overlooked in 98% of gym workouts, but as you get older, I'm 63, both hips replaced and former runner, I try to do many of your exercises with ease. It's difficult to get to the floor easily, but practicing flexibility makes the effort easier. I wished I found this type workout much earlier in my life, but playing American football, and Arnold were the mentality then, I am so much stronger using body weight and recommend younger people take this direction, you will look great, feel and be stronger, and enjoy ease of movement longer.
@@hereraherera1297 imagine replying to a 1 year old comment where you don't know what was happening back then. Alex himself said that this is a response to Jeff, so Jeff's was earlier.
This was a super informative video. I find this so much cooler than the average HIIT workout routines you get everywhere. It must have taken a lot more time to make as well. Would be great to see more videos of this kind in the future.
@@ap9503 you have wrist pain cause you didn't prepare your body to do such excercise, you need some good wrists strength and mobility to perform it. It's not an exercise to build biceps, but a complex progression for planche push ups. I now use them to train but I properly worked before starting doing them to prepare my wrists, my shoulders, biceps and tendons to do it and now I have no problem in doing them. Hope this will help you
I have watched & learned from so many of your videos that when I first did this exercise, I didn't have to look for any tutorial. I automatically adjusted and caliberated my whole body accordingly.
One of the best channel for Calisthenics content ever! You inspired me to build Calisthenics channel to spread this great workout and positive vibe of working out anywhere anytime by using bodyweight. Hope I can grow my channel like you guys did. Das beste!
Nice,I did the wrong version of this exercise at first then I watched Jeff's video about this, after that I decided not to do it anymore, now I'm gonna continue my practice,thank you.
Just lift some heavy thing or if u have pull up bar just do chinup.Train bicep with push exercise? This why i stand Jeff even im calistenic practitioner.
This is the stuff Im here for. Extremely detailed, well made exercise instructions to do something the right way. Doing something ALMOST right and doing it right can be completely different. Thank you, keep up the good work! When Im done with Physio, Ill be back at your calisthenics training ;)
Always like to listen, talk to the point lessons. Majority of you-tubers wasting our time for marketing , but this channel is always straightforward. Have something to learn new always. Appreciate your efforts and keep it up. I would say this is real knowledge sharing.
His fanboys will literally call anyone that doesn't agree with Jeff not credible Read the comments of FitnessFAQS' original bicep pushups video and you'll want to punch some those dudes
@@svetlinnikolov8710 many missed the point of this debate, jeff showed why biceps push up is not great for biceps development, calimove and daniel showed why planche push up is a good exercise, if we watch jeffs new video about getting strong fast at home, he shows us biceps push up as a great exercise for the long head of the triceps, this videos are less relatable to each other than we think.
I'm glad i decided to do actual research and finding this guy before listening to any of Chris Heria's suggestions. If i listened to Chris Heria i might have seriously injured myself. Thank you for this information.
I like your explanation much better than Fitness FAQs's explanation -- yours is more in depth, scientific & has better graphics to explain your points. Thanks! And, keep up the great work! And thanks for all the great stuff!
I understand Jeff, it's harder to do it properly and he also said you can train like this but it easier to injure yourself. Many people like to do more than they can, later they complain about their stupidity. It's better to progress slow and properly than rush and hurt yourself. There are other "easier" great biceps exercises that you can do :)
@@idawati460 look at calimove guys and look at jeff, they are different, jeff does fitness mainly for aesthetics & health, calimove does fitness for skill training & health also, IMO jeff looks much better than these guys, but sven and alex do perform calisthenics to a much higher degree than jeff.
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Wow, I liked Daniel's recent video on this subject, but you take the insight to a whole new level. I especially loved the explanations with the angles and forces.
i love how this debate is going ! Instead just arguing they both give clarification in which point the agree and disagree They ( Blue short, daniel and Carrot cake ) educate their audience while still maintaining and straighent out their point 💪 this is why i love the fitness industry
"If you not strong enough you will fall.." that savage move takes me all the way out lmao. Things can't get any more real than this. We should brace ourselves a war is coming.
This is one of my favorite videos of this channel I have seen all for then but this explain de movement with more scientific structure. Thank you very much hope you could update more videos like this one. Greetings from the Dominican Republic 😀
OOOOOOOH BOI ! my 2 fav channels are now fighting :D here it comes can't side with any of them as Athlean X and Calimovement my 2 fav channels ever can't wait to see if Jeff gonna respond xD ps: it's not a fight it's a debate it just fun to watch
Whenever I want to find the best illustrations of exercises I always keen to come to this channel . Also this exercise do not require any equipment and we can perform this at home during this lockdown period. Nice work.
Science b**ch!!! Amazing video!! Never seen such incredible combination of information for one single movement in one video. The details...God! Thanks El and Sven!
As a physical therapist myself i loved this video, the argumentation and the fact you highlighted Sven is a physical therapist as well, at the beginning. I made a weird face too when i saw his video, even if i have a huge respect on him. Well played guys.
Thoo this video is a step ahead in terms of quality good job calimove! Would be awesome if you keep this kind of deep explanation with more muscle groups!
Jeff did not say it does not activates the biceps muscle at all. It's just that the contribution is very less and hence chin ups are way better and effective
Hey Sven and Alex, thank you for this terrific video, it is very detailed and explanatory. I just hope you can make a video explaining in detail legs muscles and how to isolate legs muscles like VMO and how to train adductors. Also, some exercises from the physiotherapy approach in calisthenics since Sven is a physical therapist. Maybe I ask to much but there’s so many people with bad knees that could use some help. Thanks, and keep up the good work!! PJ
Wow. I came here from athlean X's video about the bicep push ups. To be honest, I expected this to be total bs because Jeff already explained it in detail why this is not good. But after watching this, I just realised it really pays to have an open mind and always listen to both sides. If athlean x did it in detail, cal mov did it in wayyyyy more details which explains why it really is a good exercise. Also, "It's not an exercise to build massive biceps" justifies it because not all training needs to be focused on gains. Athlean X - 0 Calisthenics Movement - 1
