The Big Picture - SC/ST Quota in Promotion 

Frank is also laughing from inside but not showing it....hats off Frank is the best anchor.

Frank is a good and balanced anchor. Doing good job 👍

Frank is a great anchor. Hats off to him.

JNU Professor Jodhka's one argument is significant that is to make policy through empirical data. Scientific method is important in policy making.

I think Mr. Bharti should talk factual for it is not Republic channel but RS TV. Many like me visit here to grasp some knowledge. This not a platform to show your evident grudge against bureaucracy by giving wron facts.

Thank you Mr Frank Peireira. You are my favourite anchor. You are polite and patient.

This comment is for Mr. Frank who happens to be an absolutely great anchor. Thank you so much Sir for your patience and presence of mind. You deserve to be appreciated for conducting this show the way that you did today.

It was the first time I had to lower the volume for this programme. Not only does Mr. Bharti has no cogent remarks, he is also unnecessarily loud. :/

special thanx to Piyush singh for explaining it so perfectly thank you

I'm not from SC/ST category. But from a very remote village. I know from close distance, situation of the people of this category. It's still worst even after 70 years. Guys, tell me one thing, if proper implementation of laws had been done by so called bureaucracy and politicians, things would have been different today. And one more thing, if someone knows there is better place, better salary and better world altogether then why would anyone resist to go and grab it. If SC/ST people are properly educated and if our system has treated them equally and provided equal representation, definitely their condition been different today. I agree with one point tat, reservation must be abolished altogether. But on one condition 'STARTING POINT MUST BE SAME for everyone. Those communities crushed by ur(our) father, his father, his grand father, and his grand father from centuries. So, once the starting point is same, it's ok to remove reservations. Untill that fight for rights continues....

bharti is sick... he doesn't deserve to be a part of this panel

If efficiency is so high that you built tajmahal, qutub minar etc. then why need reservation Mr Bharti? You are talking complete nonsense in this debate!

In Manmohan Singh government, scholars had convinced the commerce chamber to get the point of affirmative action policy in private sector but what is going on right now no one knows.

Thank you RSTv

ashok kumar bharti ruined the whole debate...rstv should not call such persons on the show

Ashok Kumar Bharti is very biased . Such people only want to pit higher caste and dalit people . I'm also come from so called scheduledd class.

I completely agree with dr. Ashok Bharti, and jodhka sir,

You give them job and then eventually they'll be promoted why do they need reservations in promotion. SC has become an agent of NDA and all this is due to elections.

I have never commented on any video but this program and the one with section 377 in big picture shows how well Frank is able to guide the discussion. Hats off to RSTV.

GREAT WORK FRANK, LOT TO LEARN FROM YOU. I WISH BHARTI COULD SEE THAT, POOR ASHOK BHARTI.

Politeness and gentleman behaviour is not expected from Dalits.

Prof.Jodha sir is outstanding. A good discussion, thanks to anchor frank!

भारती सर आपने जोरदार टक्कर दिया है बाकी दोनों शोषक व्यक्तियो को । तथाकथित सवर्ण ( ब्राह्मण धर्म के अनुसार ) आपके वक्त्यव्य से आग बबूला हो गए है । इससे साफ पता चलता है की इनको इस बार मिर्ची कहा लगी है. जय मोदीजी । जय भारत माता । जय हिंद । जय आरएसएस ।

No lag between mic, wow, nice.

Knowledgeable discourse

Mr. ANCHOR u r wonderful sir💐💐

It's a polite debate..Superb Prof.S.Jodhka and anchor were amazing in their words

I HAVE A BRAHMIN VILLAGE NEARBY THEY DO NOT REMIND WHO WAS LAST GOVT SERVANT THERE.WHAT IS THEIR FAULT?????? DOES ANY DALIT GOVT SERVANT READY TO ANSWER ?????

I think Mr Bharti wants any no. Of sc st fill civil service form they should be made IAS....hahaha

The word *category* is the real cause of discrimination in 21st century in India.

Mera Bharat Mahan. Thanks now I will stop preparing for Govt jobs and prepare for some better alternative.

Hv grt respect to Jodhka Sir...very valid points are put forward by him...👍👍👍

When things are sensitive, should be touched and maintained carefully. Reservation is one of them.must try to strike a balance between sensitiveness and suggestions . Since chain is as strong as it's weakest point, I do respect rstv for continuously maintaining professionalism.

Very healthy discussion #thanks RSTV

please provide subtitle

Frank Sir is very gd anchor without biasness...👍👍👍

Ashok kumar bharathi.. U r simply super sir... Everyone should understand u r argument.

Why caption is not available ?

Frank sir you are our favourite.. Kavindra sir in hindi Frank sir in English Two gem of Rajyasabha t.v !!

It will lead towards students and workers movement.

SC+ST+OBC = 85% OF POPULATION.

Frank awesome anchor, the way he handles the mellow debates of RSTV :P

Great job Mr. Frank !!!

This promotion would again forced the talented SC & ST candidate to live under the stigma of promotion.

Dear RS tv please increase the duration of the big picture at least 10min... Thank you...

most people r misinterpreting the statement of A.K BHARTI.....by which he mean that, if govt is dividing people on cast line ... religious lines only for vote bank ...how people will develop and it's nonsense to talk of efficiency. ..... ..... what ever we will say, but plzz see the ground level. . .. ... SC,s st,s .... have suffered and r still suffering ....

Very nice Questions made by Bharati

I am from Tripura, serving under Department of Agriculture, Tripura since 2007. In Tripura, reservation categories are UR:52%, SC:17%, ST:33%. As a part of reservation system & 100 point roster, Govt of Tripura may converts General category seats to UN-RESERVED. This results in my Dept. STs jumped 2 steped promotion to Additional and Joint Director depriving a lot of General & SC category candidates. There is no quality / efficiency judgement and experience counting system in Govt. of Tripura. Govt. stick on 1 point - 100 point roster. If u see in my Dept. Director(1 post) - 1 SC; Additional Director(9 post) - 9 ST, Joint Director (17 post) - 10+ ST; Deputy Director (43 post) - 20+ ST and ...... PRESENTLY ROOMMATES / CLASSMATES (join in service in SAME DATE & considering merit as constant) ARE CONVERTED TO DOUBLED / TRIPLED HIERARCHY DIFFERENCE. Now my questions:- 1. Is this not violation of right to equality? 2. In the name of uplifting SC/ST, are they not grabbing the allotted seats of General? 3. What should be the proper way of judging the quality / efficiency of Govt employees? 4. In the name of reservation how a SENIOR General Govt. Officer got less salary than his JUNIOR ST category Officer? 5. Is reservation give proper socialism to India? 6. Why off-springs of SC/ST Govt. employees got both financial, marks and categorical benefit of SC/ST? Are they not occupying the benefits of their own category candidates? 7. If 85% people are under reservation, then what is the utility of this term?

Mr. Piyush made the most sound and logical arguments, Mr. Bharti, on the other hand, was just puking all over the show with his illogical and rude comments

Mr.S.S.Jodhka was very articulate with his thoughts and put some valid points , any decision must be taken based on empirical data and due diligence not with any emotional subtext.

Mr. Bharti made silly mistake while he talking about 85 % reservation, but he had pointed out well. It was just a mistake during conversation which no one corrected I think

The argument of merit , efficiency etc has vanished suddenly with the advent of EWS Quota .

Really a productive debate...

I think Mr Ashok Bharti just proved the point that why we should not disregard merit and promote people solely on reservation along caste lines. I really liked hearing to Piyush Singh though, He puts across his point in a lucid manner.

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Piyush Sigh put a very relevant point that merit cant be considered as obscure. Decreasing cut offs eg: 45 for general and 35 for SC/ST was never intended. It is political game. Same merit is necessary for efficiency.

Biggest mockery in the world is in Indian Constitution article 14,15,&16. It's time to chng this Constitution. From this programme I came to know one funny facts that tajmahl, qutub minar was built by by SC

Great said by Mr jodhka

Inequality will always remain either socially or economically but one must need to move forward with sustainable approach so that the citizens from the marginalized section's should also have the representation in the government of the day...

Rare scene of personal attack on panelist in RSTV.

Himself being an adviser Mr.Bharti don't know even the desk etiquettes and simply personal attacking his co-panelist...very shameful and condemnable !! Rajya Sabha TV should take the note of this while calling guest on future debates.

Why did you not call dr. Sukhdeo thorat in the debate??

Should 85% reservation 😵😵 seriously !!! 🤔🤔 ... R u joking Mr Bharti...

Reservation at the time of selection put the sc st candidates on equal level of general candidates, then after they are equal it depends on their work who will get promotion. If the promotion is given on basis of quota then system will not work with its higher efficiency. The most responsible one should get promoted either he is general or other categories. There should be no prejudice.

20:40 this can happen only on RS TV. .HATS off to Sir

Unearned promotions will only result in increased prejudice, how is that ignored.

If you have any doubt over productivity of Dalits in workforce, then please read Ashwini Deshpande's "does affirmative action policy affect productivity?" On the contrary sc and St employees are more efficient than UR candidates because they have stigma that you came through the reservation.

Professor jodhka. Is PERFECT man

पदोन्नती मधील सर्व जागा बिंदुनामावली नुसार भरा😡😡

An episode which left me completely baffled. I request the makers to invite erudite guests who hold respect for other panelists.

Frank: the flag bearer of RSTV. Wish to meet you someday.

Ashoka Kumar Bharati may have his point or experience, but his temper or the way he expresses would make his points unworthy. Very respectable of Frank to strike a balance.

There must be reservation in promotion for OBC as well.

Basically ashok kumar bharti saying is, fuck meritocracy , we'll show you what efficiency is all about !

My father's rank in the department seniority list for promotion is 1009 despite being 24 Years in the service. There are 720 employees ahead of him with less than half of the experience what my father has. How is this even equality? & its not only the case with my father. Beyond rank 1009 till 2112 people have more experience than every sc/st employees placed at rank 200-900. Rank 214 has 10 years 8 months. I have the seniority list with me.I have analyzed it very well.

Prof Jodhka has valid points...

I belong to bramin family, My concerns to eliminate caste discrimination more effective points than reservation ... (1) Intercaste marriage . . like government could implement policy like whoever will marry with SC/ST then the other person will be provided with all the benifits of reservation. (2) Municipality shall design residential and commercial areas like random allocation of occupancy . . Like we go to colony where we can see bramins, dalit, rajput are living in neighbouring.👍 (3) Representation of SC/ST in religious places like in temple committee, Pujaris and other religious activities etc These are factory, which will completely eliminate sections in society and unite all castes together. Reservation it self has not benifitd poor among the sc/st till now. They are facing most form of discrimination rather than upper level of SC/ST like government employees and educated people.

Mr. Ashok Kumar One question for u . Who is the President of the Country?

I think general category should also need reservation, cut off marks for government exams are too high for general category.

Prof. Jodhka Sir...👍👍👍

Thank you Frank for for apology

Mr. Bharti saas-bahu ki ladhai type argument de rahe hain. I am no one to question sc/st merit but the arguments given by mr. Bharti surely showcase his merit :D :D

Why private sector needs reservation Mr. Ashok Bharti??

reservasn in promosn for obc. obc share in gvt is less than sc in gvt. c data

We want representation at all levels. As mr Mohan das karam Chand Gandhi thrust upon us this reservation on us. We want seperate electorate in India. We means SC and St.

Ashok bharti you are great

As chaturvedi sir told there are schedule caste officers who excell in their career. more over today also in our society there is caste system which suppress political and economic growth of dalits. Dalits deserve reservation until India has caste system. At present in rural area no dalit has lands, our major portion of land and political power is in the hands of touchables. Supreme court verdict has encouraged caste system in bureaucracy. why there is no demand for swacchata karmachari works? why dont these savarniya ask give representation in drainage work?

There should be reservations to be continued.But the merit should be respected.🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

This is the shit of the reservation how much reservation they need They need reservations for getting study They need reservations for getting job And now for promotion....why only about sc /St quota not on the basis of talent and efficiency of work abilities

Reservation was not demanded rather thrusted upon. Wow! why would one do that?

Frank himself is diverting the topic from reservation in promotion to reservation itself .... Anyways this debate needs more clarification but one point i can make here is weather it is parliament or SC ... they must take consideration n representation of all stakeholders while deciding policy and while hearing in courts as well

Piyush Singh emerged as the champion in this debate

Cast system mistranslation by British still people think,it add related birth, totally wrong misinterpreted by british.indian historian still playing on foreign hand....I born in baishya after getting PhD I become brahmin.this is the real meaning.as Kalidas, Valmiki, Tulsi and so on

Ashok kumar bharti next comedian....kuch bhi bolega matlab......khan se ye aagya is debate me

Do u want all sc ,st candidates should be appointed in higher post..

Ashok bharti sir...👍👍👍

Reservation never eliminate social and economic disparities due to their very motion to spread further discrimination based on economic and social condition. Equal opportunity instead is a very noble notion which create a better society free from inequality. When both rich and poor students go school and college together then society can be free from discrimination and the other social evils.

www.thehindu.com/news/national/24-years-on-obc-workforce-in-centre-still-short-of-mandal-mark/article21382491.ece If there are reservation at entry level then there must be reservation in promotion not only for SC/STs but also OBCs. Today in all the govt services seniority is based on merit and promotions are based on seniority. If there will no reservation in promotions then there will no reversed categories will present at top level. There are more the 50% of population consists of OBCs in India which have just 14% group A post in GoI and have 4% secretary level post in GOI. Ex. in AAI there are 26 GM(comm) post of which 16 are general and 10 are SC/STs but no OBCs. If It comes to efficiency, then yes reservation may be downgrades efficiency at certain level but It also upgrades more to social justice and representation. Reservation is not a poverty eradication program but for social backwardness. In constitution of India, there are special provisions for socially and economically backwardness.Till now socialism is to much criteria for backwardness rather than economic like OBC have creamy layer criteria but SC/STs have not. All the categories must the some creamy layer criteria to get the reservation effectively. Even economically backward general candidates should have few qouta. Reservation have a limit so that representation and merit have a balance.

I think this will defnatly leads in oc movement in near by future..

We have come to an era which to the max extent eliminated social exclusions. But still reservation persists for and new issues like this have been arising for more expansion of this. This is a limitation to the country's development. Govt should identify the really vulnerable sections from time to time because once one gets benefited by a job he will be capable to satisfy his economic needs. coming social exclusions, if such things still happens there are provisions in law exclusively for u where u can challenge.. proper facilities should be available to evryone and aftr that it should be their talent that should determine their promotion and all.