The Big Problem with HUNTERS in Destiny 2...

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There's a weird problem with Hunters in Destiny 2 that I don't hear a lot of people talk about... this bothers me, and I'm a Warlock Main!
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@FalloutPlays Год назад

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@oversouledict2005 Год назад

They did 😂

@danielpadilla5564 Год назад

This is why I say playing hunter is hard mode for Destiny 2

@TheKmk111 Год назад

Hunters and titans also have the best kits and exotics. As a warlock Main why are we the least represented?

@fsbplasma3064 Год назад

You can ignore intellect it’s useless in pve

@chains1187 Год назад

I think to make mobility as useful and wanted by all classes in pve and pvp is to make mobility decrease your hitbox. Obviously it would be scaled different for both pve and pvp. It should give you the feeling of elusiveness in both sandboxes since it's called mobility. And should make it a very desirable stat for all classes. Just my hot take.

@OffYourTopic Год назад

I really do wish mobility did a little something extra just to make it actually somewhat useful like resilience and recovery

@jamescruz8678 Год назад

Agreed

@Ryan8573A Год назад

It used to increase sprint speed in year 1 but when forsaken droped they removed that side of the mobility stat due to complaints of having to run 100 Mobil all the time

@oryxfirstnavigator4795 Год назад

@@Ryan8573A That was also around the time where everyone moved like they were walking through syrup, lmao. Don't miss those days

@yindax9521 Год назад

People may call me a madman, but I believe Mobility should affect you AE stat

@taylorwhitener3746 Год назад

@@yindax9521 I've said this for ages

@sharkbaitjr_9923 Год назад

I also have to mention how odd it is to have 100 mobility and stompees on, and still get out run by 3 mobility titans and warlocks

@cocodriloblanco Год назад

That irritates the hell out of me

@patrickbone5993 Год назад

I think if we have stompees, Arc, and 100 mobility, we should run as fast as Warlocks can move on average in a crucible match. Make that shit something you can build into. Right now the only option Hunters have to achieve that speed requires heavy ammo, commiting to the stasis subclass, and committing one aspect to shatterdive. On top of that Shatterskating as an extreme level of situational-ness, you need the exact kind of ledge or you can't do shit.

@RedvsBlue-vg1ru Год назад

It’s cause the hunter jump propels you upward while the titan and warlock jump propels more horizontal. Same reason why hunters can use the ceiling to accelerate but the other two can’t, at least not as well. Still pisses me off time to time though, seeing a titan rocket passed me at Mach three

@Bordann Год назад

Weird. I'm a warlock and my hunter buddy consistently runs past me without even touching arc. And i have to speed glide to try to keep up.

@RedvsBlue-vg1ru Год назад

@@Bordann stompees if I had to guess. But it’s mostly titans that fly passed me, on occasion warlocks if they have burst glide and or transverse steps on

@sykrotima9528 Год назад

What really sucks is I used to have triple hundreds due to that +20 mobility mod but it’s gone :D

@huddypow953 Год назад

Same bro i had intellect as my 3rd tier 10 and now that intellect blows i gotta refarm a whole set of armor

@garetmones8556 Год назад

Yea man I miss powerful friends

@JoshuaNY93BX Год назад

Yeah that and the strength mod plus how we dumped into our armor crafting ir changing if the type to work with arc mods etc try shat on the armor to screw with our builds to grind more

@memedreampotato3380 Год назад

I almost have triple hundreds you just need to get really lucky with armour stats

@typhoeus3801 Год назад

But you dont really need 100s

@nathanballew9293 Год назад

Imagine if each classes special ability was tied to intellect…

@mobslayer211 3 месяца назад

That's smart, intellect is usually my dump stat

@svyatovrat4071 3 месяца назад

@@mobslayer211 silly

@nameholdingplace 3 месяца назад

@@mobslayer211silly

@mobslayer211 3 месяца назад

@mobslayer211 silly

@jmase19 3 месяца назад

@@mobslayer211silly

@Jackie_Tikki_Tavi Год назад

I think a good way to fix this is give each class a 20-50 inherit stat bump in their respective specialty.

@innocence3156 Год назад

this is the best idea i have ever seen. It also makes so much sense because it should be easier for each class to attain there respective stat ability. You are a genius.

@sleepycandle2642 Год назад

Yeah, doing this would also make build crafting easier as you could focus on using the first slot in your armor for other stats. I think 10 or 20 is reasonable, otherwise it’d get out of hand.

@acousticbeast9 Год назад

Give each piece of armor, including class items, a +4 bonus to the respective class ability stat.

@RurouniHiro Год назад

I was thinking before I found your comment to just have it for mobility alone but be across all classes. But yours is much better, especially the recent “lean into class identity” trend. So this firs and works wonderfully. The next step is to have the stats scale in percentage instead of tiers of 10. That way X1-9 stat doesn’t just Equal X all the damn time.

@vincentmva4543 Год назад

They could do this by having class items roll with their respective stat instead of 0 across the board

@dahymon Год назад

As a Hunter Main I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing tbh Update: Now I kinda know what I'm doing after stealing a totally overpowered build

@celestinehelly8296 Год назад

I played warlock for a while, quit destiny, now I'm back on hunter and I also have no idea what I'm supposed to do anymore

@FiSH_the Год назад

Honestly this

@sweetieswifey627 Год назад

Same, even long ago back when I was still playing lmao But now it's been a hell of a long time, still a Hunter main at heart tho

@RemielsDad Год назад

@@celestinehelly8296 just switch to titan and go crayon eater mode

@celestinehelly8296 Год назад

@@RemielsDad stfu I am not touching titan

@dem0nicpresence Год назад

Honestly if Bungie leaned a little bit more into the rpg aspect and gave each class an innate bonus to their respective stat ie hunters get plus 10 or 15 mobility automatically and warlocks get recovery etc. It would make it easier for players to not worry so much about it

@yami2998 Год назад

This might be just me misremembering, I played D1 on launch, didn't every class have an innate passive on Destiny 1's launch? Don't know why but i remember Hunters having a slightly higher crit damage on headshots and with handcannons in general while Titans had an affinity for melee and close range weapons and warlocks for abilities. It might just be me hallucinating though

@115zombies935 Год назад

@@yami2998None of those were true

@yami2998 Год назад

@@115zombies935 All of them are true and you know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about

@115zombies935 Год назад

@@yami2998 None of them are true.

@yami2998 Год назад

@@115zombies935 oh fuck, lmao, sorry about my rude reply, thought it was another comment that i wrote under an Overwatch video. Edit: To get back on the actual topic though, for some reason I remember classes having a passive ability, not sure why or what, but i have this distinct memory for some reason, i started on the launch of D1 and eventually stopped playing after the Oryx and Crota Raids came out

@GenXstacker 5 месяцев назад

I'm Warlock and I notice a big difference when I max out Mobility. When combined with blink using Astrocyte Verse, I can outrun everyone.

@baluray2 Год назад

I love my 100 mobility build. Especially when I queue trials and off the start a titan and a warlock launch out in front of me with 20 mobility.

@grim8391 Год назад

Lmao true

@Dashpey23 Год назад

For real.

@RemedieX Год назад

Yeah, this is annoying. Hunters feel like mud without stomp-ee5 or a lightweight. By the time I get to the choke, even when roof surfing and hitting all the edges of angles to propel me forward like I've spent time practing in private, there's 100% already going to be some icarus dash warlock or titan waiting with a sniper pre-aimed, so I can't beat them to peak.

@a118studios7 Год назад

I swaped to warlock, and I feel I can move faster even with 10 mobility

@AutistikWaldo Год назад

Hunters have less movement speed because their base kit made them too effective at all content especially pvp. A half competent hunter could be unkillable with higher movement speed since their jump is so effective at disengaging and juking titan and warlock players. Plus in pvp titan and warlock jumps leave you open to be punished while hunter jumps dont due to how explosive and fast they are. It's the exact reason hunters need mobility but it's worthless on titans and warlocks. Because hunter jump is just the outright best pvp jump and unfortunately that makes mobility necessary for pve too.

@threefishsticks7862 Год назад

as a hunter main this is one of my biggest pains

@BrandonsGamingCorner Год назад

One hunter to another, I feel ya Hunter from another motha

@Slimeblob.square Год назад

same I can never have resilence

@Grand_d873 Год назад

I main warlock I keep getting armor with 25 mobility and higher let's trade 😭

@leonb1553 Год назад

Im able to run 100 mobil, res and strength

@threefishsticks7862 Год назад

@@leonb1553I guess you didn’t watch the short to see what the big problem is lol

@yoshigottagun Год назад

Buffing mobility is the obvious solution. Rn the only stats I care about as a warlock main as resilience and discipline (and maybe recov if I can afford it). Having mobility give an actual advantage would make it a more fair trade off.

@ratchetandclankACIT Год назад

Warlock you should max all 3 imo as rift regen is tied to recov the more you can have a rift ready the better

@yoshigottagun Год назад

@@ratchetandclankACIT If you can, sure, but a lot of the tripple 100 builds you see sacrifice a lot of mod energy and subclass fragments to get there, which would be more potent then a slightly shorter rift cooldown anyway. If you can get all 3 maxed without concessions absolutely go for it but I wouldn't sacrifice something for it.

@SoggySalad Год назад

@@ratchetandclankACITyes and no recov is important but not more important then Resil and discipline.

@chrisflemming8272 3 месяца назад

Low mobility = Easy hunter kill High mobility = Can someone end bros 10 kill streak already!

@Nattsmygarn Год назад

Should make Mobility a more interesting choice, and something you don't want to dump. Also I generally dump strength because you can always dodge to get it back.

@thecyanpanda241 Год назад

I always keep intellect at 30 cause with a decent build and good gameplay you can literally get something like a BB in like 2 mins in a lost sector

@SweeT-6398 Год назад

That’s usually my go-to as well. It sucks that we have to rely on that, but it is a nice option.

@StanStubbz Год назад

i keep my strength at 100 most of the time and use my reload dodge =/

@SweeT-6398 Год назад

@@StanStubbz reload dodge can be super useful. I can blame anyone that uses it, it’s just not my preference.

@bboyemanmj Год назад

Well that's a no brainer and strength isn't tide to a class ability either. But I run max strength only on omnis in pve

@Blackheartick Год назад

As a Hunter main, I tend to make Intellect my dump stat and build my armor mods to grant Super energy for using my other abilities or to create orbs of light. It's not always pretty, but it works.

@sirpr3ce855 Год назад

but thats not how stats distribution on armor works. your INT stat (or rather any of the 3 bottom stats) doesnt influence how high you can get Mobility, Resilience or Recovery

@Blackheartick Год назад

@@sirpr3ce855 I know that; a dump stat is a stat you don't really care how high it is. I'm saying that when I'm building an armor set, I don't worry about how quickly I get my super back; I use mods that will help me get my grenade and melee back when I use them, and then mods that will give me super energy or generate an orb of light/elemental well, to help get my super. Basically, I'm looking for armor that has a good mobility stat and if the intellect happens to be the lowest stat on that piece of armor, then I'm fine with it.

@papaspaulding Год назад

Same, I've never build into a super, as a hunter im going for mob, res, then discipline and strength. then for recovery im using wormhusk

@shaunmacready701 Год назад

I try run lowest intellect. as I stack hands on and I get my super in 1:30seconds I love superman but I rock skullfort so unlimited melee for it to work 💪

@shaunmacready701 Год назад

Mobility- 100 Resilience- 100 Recovery- 80 Disapline- 80 Intellect- 20 Strength -80 I took off radiant light +20 strength as I have unlimited shoulder charge with skull fort

@cale0176 Год назад

I think the biggest issue right now is that mobility provides no defensive bonuses. The difference between t0 and t10 mobility may let you dodge a few shots while strafing, but most enemies have little more difficulty hitting high mobility guardians than low mobility ones. Meanwhile resilience and recovery provide direct survivability as well as the class ability cool down.

@LightCrib2 Год назад

They should make is so that mobility makes combatants less accurate when shooting at you while you're moving

@RoamingPlayer Год назад

@Markiplier should play Outer Wilds How about a dodge chance?

@LightCrib2 Год назад

@@RoamingPlayer Enemies being less accurate would be easier to see, and add an element of skill, making it so you can actively dodge bullets yourself

@RoamingPlayer Год назад

@@LightCrib2 true

@grayden4138 Год назад

Yeah, Mob should add flat dodge chance vs all attacks against you.

@ReSpark141 10 месяцев назад

as a hunter main, i do indeed about all stats so much i have created loadouts for all 5 subclasses to distribute stats at least tier 6

@clarkkent1616 Год назад

finally someone talks about this. i haven’t grinded for armor on my titan/warlock in years. however on my hunter i’m literally always trying to get some ideal armor roll that facilitates some distribution that i’m aiming for, but in reality the distribution is borderline unobtainable without sacrificing something i enjoy

@cadensam7 Год назад

If only resilience also used to be useless and titans had the exact same thing...

@NuclearRizzicist Год назад

@@cadensam7 not like the playerbase collectively asked for it to be made more useful then immediately nerfed.

@clarkkent1616 Год назад

@@cadensam7 i didn’t mean for my comment to come off as complaining. i wasn’t trying to complain. i just wanted to point out how crazy it is

@mike64411 Год назад

@@clarkkent1616 I actually would LOVE if bungie just 1 time let us build our own armor. I need a minimum of 60 points max. Put 10 in every stat. You have 50 across the board. Masterwork armor now you have 60 across the board, with 0 mods. Now this isn’t counting for 3.0 changes with any give or take but imagine having a base 60 in EVERY stat without mods on. Powerful friends for 80 mobility, radiant light for 80 melee. For me it’s 2 mods into resilience and recovery and 1 into grenade. 80 mobility, 80 resilience, 80 recovery, 70 discipline, 60 intellect, 80 strength. Not counting give or take from 3.0 but I myself think those are good numbers to at least start somewhere.

@rylandercoleman2740 Год назад

@@mike64411 tbh just give us exotic class items that you can put on 4 stat mods instead of one

@masterk9101 Год назад

I feel forced to treat Strength as my hunters dump Stat (since dodging near enemies can insta refill charged melee) but it really forces a specific playstyle

@DanielMorales-jm3ll Год назад

Always been a dumpstat.

@papertowels9162 Год назад

Tbf mobility could still be a dump stat for hunters if you use the fragments from each subclass that get your dodge back faster.

@stonehallow Год назад

@@papertowels9162 I think that's what most do in pve it's pvp where hunters get shafted on gearing.

@papertowels9162 Год назад

@@stonehallow Well it's a good thing I don't care about pvp.

@seigykanohi6842 Год назад

with the past nerfs they cld do with a buff to increase the gambler range

@eclipse4517 Год назад

What if PvE enemies had accuracy that scaled with your mobility? Like if you run T10 mobility, PvE enemies are 30% less accurate at hitting you, similar to Resilience's 30% damage reduction. It makes sense considering mobility is already tied to strafe speed, and it'd effectively fulfill a similar role to the Resilience PvE buff. Then there'd be an actual decision to be made as to what you want to build into.

@Multi-Guard 3 месяца назад

I have a simple solution, instead of making recovery the rate of which your shield regenerates make it the speed of which your class ability recovers and just make recovery built-in max 10 for all characters then tack on to mobility a handling boost as resilience does for flinching (correct me if I’m wrong on that)

@eyesoftomorrow6647 Год назад

You can definitely dump strength on a hunter 90% of good hunter builds will just get you your melee back instantly or to a degree where it does not matter and that’s what I always do

@henry3503 Год назад

Honestly both strength and mobility are dump stats for my hunter build(arc melee), because my abilities make it so i can get my dodge or melee back neigh instantly

@XXTRAXZ 11 месяцев назад

@henry3503 still better than mobility but tbh I wouldn't mind discipline 😮

@floppydisksareop 10 месяцев назад

It's in a different stat pool, so that won't make getting resilience and recovery any easier

@The-difference-exterminator 6 месяцев назад

NGl hunters are the last people who should be talking about having a bad melee especially when Arc 3.0 came out and Titans or not the ones were the most powerful punch it was hunters and their liars handshake

@Bruhvernor 4 месяца назад

On a void Hunter your smoke bombs are too useful for it to be a dumps stat, and no good aspects or anything to get it back

@ashtonhunt13 Год назад

Dear hunter mains...y'all remember what they did to our blade dance?...it never stopped🥺

@mullallylally Год назад

Bungie hate us fam they despise us cowboy ninjas because we chose the edge lord lifestyle ...us :oh cool that damage is nice this class is viable in end game Bungie /community ::its a bug Us ::awesome new exotic this makes my build really fun Bungie/communtiy 3 days later :: its a bug get nerfed forehead who told you you could have fun

@TheGamingEvangelist Год назад

Well Hunter is the most picked class so, if anything y'all get more love (Warlock, Jump puzzle hater)

@ashtonhunt13 Год назад

@@TheGamingEvangelist 🤣😂I'm sorry fam

@ashtonhunt13 Год назад

@mullallylally 🙄 I remember gwensin vest. They first nerf was sanctioned yea, but omf the next 3 were completely unnecessary

@azaril7780 Год назад

Blade dance? You remember how they tarnished nightstalker by putting hotp, and deadfall in two separate trees?

@panthinox7806 Год назад

As a pve titan main I can safely ignore 2-3 of the stats. It’s really nice.

@lialpie Год назад

Fellow crayon enthusiast

@DefinitelyFroggyDioBrando Год назад

I personally ignore mobility intellect and discipline at all times, strength and resilience are really the only stats that matter to me

@jbb66 Год назад

So can they lol... he just crying

@thenethuns5271 8 месяцев назад

@@jbb66 Actual glue enthusiast.

@arakemi1080 Год назад

The only issue would be in pvp, but outside of that, mobility can be ignored on hunter too as most subclasses have an aspect that basically gives the hunter most of the class ability Regen they need.

@EarthNationCeramics Год назад

I am a Titan. It's true that I build into recovery and resilience before anything else but mobility is vital for Peking corners and taking shots at high levels of play. Those who ignore it are easy targets regardless of class.

@Dots.0 Год назад

While I agree with you on the idea its OK in pvp I do not think its comparable. I would take less flinch and effective damage or the ability to get back into fights faster over better peakshotting anyday. Also it is entirely useless in pve I don't think there has ever been a scenario where a warlock or titan has paused mid raid to change to his/her high mobility build. Difference between 0 and 100 mobility at the end of the day just feels like a very slightly smoother experience. At least to me that is.

@BinderBinate Год назад

I feel you. I main warlock and I feel too slow to get in and out of cover and/or evade attacks in both PvP and PvE under 60 mobility. :p

@shoheigoat4329 Год назад

Exactly. High mobility on a titan is crucial for PVP

@Brad-ut1ro Год назад

I agree for pvp it’s important to have some mobility investment. But resil and recov (especially resil) r much more important n pve, which, regardless of what each person personally prefers, is where the majority of players spend the majority of their time bc that’s where the majority of the content exists n this game. Sure it feels nice to b able to peak n and out of cover more quickly, but n reality it has much less tangible effect on one’s ability to complete pve content than the other stats.

@Brad-ut1ro Год назад

Any time I wanna play the more difficult pve content, I much prefer to just use my titan. I know void hunter is powerful bc of invisibility and such. But I hate the playstyle of essentially hiding to survive. I’d rather run around punchin shit and throwing hammers. And I was a hunter main n D1. Loved Gunslinger. But I’m pretty much full crayon eater now. Lol

@josephrichardson7254 Год назад

It's not really a *big* problem, but it is something that's driven me nuts with how armor distribution works that having 100 RES/ MOB is such a pain. On top of that there are a few horizontal jumps which feel like they expect all Hunters to have 100 mobility, and if you don't you simply cannot make it far enough without Stompies or something similar to give you extra movement. Maybe it's a skill issue, but that one jump after Galhran in Duality can suck on deez.

@Manstrual Год назад

As long as you use triple jump, the first jump doesn't matter as much.

@jamescruz8678 Год назад

Honestly, it's just practice when it comes to really long jumps IMHO. Jumping earlier than I normally do with most jumps helped me reliably clear that gap with 20-30 mobility. It's still a hard gap relative to most other gaps in the game, but you don't really need that much in the Mobility stat.

@Mazekial Год назад

Oh my God, YES to OP’s second paragraph. I always run triple jump and AT THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM 70-80 Mobility, and regardless of how rapidly or spread out (or anywhere in between) I attempt some of these jumps, it is impossible to clear some horizontal gaps as a Hunter without wasting time swapping to a sword and/or putting on those stupid friggin’ boots. There’s a jump in Spire in that big open underground section that kills me every time on Hunter whereas my Titan and Warlock breeze through it without a single thought. And I don’t even run Heat Rises.

@infinitedeath1384 Год назад

@@MazekialImo they should add a quadruple jump for hunters in place of triple jump. 3 in air jumps would feel so much nicer and more on par with titan and warlock jumps. 2 in air jumps for the high jump and strafe jump. I play all 3 classes and the hunter jump feels so much worse than titan and warlock jumps.

@joakimbakken3189 6 месяцев назад

@@MazekialThat jump in Spire is the bane of my existance. Jumping puzzles in general suck

@Crimsomreaf5555 Год назад

Mobility should make you run faster, jump higher, climb faster, dodge chance, etc. It should be a useful stat to all classes

@Elementedferret 11 месяцев назад

You know high mobility should really let you vault faster at the very least

@Xitronix 9 месяцев назад

In short, mobility should just make you You know M O B I L E💀

@rileymoffatt7702 9 месяцев назад

I saw someone argue that mobility should give a reload bonus of some kind which would at least compete with res and recov a bit more for viability

@jackalexande 9 месяцев назад

@@rileymoffatt7702 That is a good fucking point. It should actually have some viability in endgame pve

@Barleh 9 месяцев назад

They should make it so that all classes can fall a little bit faster by pressing the crouch button midair, but make fast-falling even faster with high mobility. Also mantle animation speed.

@arramiscastellon6168 2 месяца назад

I keep saying that they need to make mobility have an evasion mechanic where the higher tier it is, as long as you’re moving, enemies would miss their shots more often.

@FreyaMorgan Год назад

An interesting thing they could do is tie in additional AE to mobility. Each tier of mobility would grant +2 AE or something to that effect. 100 mobility would equate to +20 AE

@bannedmann4469 Год назад

Hmm.. interesting.

@AntonioJimenez-xy2oq Год назад

That sounds great especially how strands going to work

@Duplicitousthoughtformentity Год назад

Solid idea tbh

@blieublieu Год назад

That's a very good idea but PvE-wise AE doesn't offer a lot so even if it could be strong for PvP I don't see the benefit of building mob on PvE builds, making mob in the end PvP-focused.

@Brad-ut1ro Год назад

Tbh, the problem with mobility isn’t as bad n pvp tho. Mobility is more of a problem n pve imo bc strafe speed is actually a good thing to go for n pvp. Always has been even n D1. But n pve strafe speed is basically useless compared to the benefits other stats provide. So additional AE imo wouldn’t really solve much. Now if Bungie would finally just tie actual sprint speed into mobility MAYBE that would b enough. But with resil also giving flinch resist now, I think it’s gonna b the most important stat for the rest of time without major changes.

@Nadiki Год назад

Something else that really sucks is Powerful Friends and Radiant Light are probably losing their +20 stat boosts come Lightfall. Radiant Light gave +20 strength, so it’ll be felt by all classes, but Powerful Friends gave +20 mobility so it feels like a kick in the teeth for hunters specifically

@Toymonkeyjr Год назад

you can get 6 100's now if you get all your stats to 70 and use the new stat boost mods

@triedemall Год назад

@@Toymonkeyjr which one or ones

@Toymonkeyjr Год назад

@@triedemall the armor charge mods that increase stats when you have an armor charge, saw someone with 6 100's the other day

@metalika1821 Год назад

Mobility should be: the higher it is, the harder it is for pve enemies to shoot at you accurately , or just grant a boost in reload and handling.

@grayden4138 Год назад

flat dodge chance vs any ranged or melee attack, topping out at maybe 30%

@StormierNik Год назад

You want damage resistance AND Dodge chance on top of that? Man hunters are delusional

@hrtIss Год назад

I was with you on the first one because that would be amazing but that second choice is borderline useless. Especially for hunters who can just dodge and reload instantly

@antaganon1179 Год назад

@@StormierNik You mean like how warlock and titan can fairly easily have max resilience AND near-instant healing while hunters can't? It's not that bad of an idea, the other two class specific stats give direct enhancements to their survivability, there's nothing wrong with hunters wanting mobility to offer something similar.

@primordialsoupgod2850 Год назад

@@antaganon1179the problem with that is if you enhanced mobility to much it will be overpowered considering that most of the player base are hunters. Nither option is good unless it's for pve because both options are straight unfair in pvp

@piperemo891 3 месяца назад

I think either all jumps and run speed should be affected by mobility, or hunters now have recovery stat to affect class and warlocks rely on intellect

@Thelegend27-06 Год назад

Hey, at least y'all get a super cool strand super, we titans just get first of havoc v.3

@MrKingsMedia Год назад

I’ve started getting high stat armor on my Warlock/Titan and it feels amazing to delete anything with more than 2 mobility.

@steel16880 11 месяцев назад

I recommend keeping a single armor piece with 4 (base) mobility so you have 20 full masterwork instead of 18

@steel16880 11 месяцев назад

Or you can just use an artiface +3 instead

@teekomeeko Год назад

The new buildcrafting had made me think about this a lot. I do love the actually feel of Hunters and their kits, so I'll never switch my main, but making builds with my other characters is just so much easier to get what I want.

@eseerianknight0386 8 месяцев назад

Unless you're a radiant dodge hunter you'll typically use gambler's dodge which is pretty good at letting you ignore strength as a stat.

@CLouDBRoS Год назад

the logical change would be to give reload speed or handling for mobility. it makes sense that with higher mobility you would be also faster and becuae running is already out of the question, tying it to the weapons would be natural

@bannedmann4469 Год назад

Make reload dodge ass tho..

@ArcturusAlpha Год назад

I think tying AE to it would be better. Titans should stay grounded for PVP while hunters take to the air to avoid damage and engage enemies. If titans want that too they have to build into it.

@bloodredeyes1 Год назад

Very true. Hence why I built my Hunter to "neglect" Mobility directly

@jamescruz8678 Год назад

same Bountiful Wells and multiple Melee Wellmakers alone can get you get most of your abilities back.

@thatoneguy2136 Год назад

@@jamescruz8678 the issue is, that’s getting deprecated in Lightfall so… the new subclass items won’t work like wells do now

@jamescruz8678 Год назад

@@thatoneguy2136 We'll wait and see if we can spawn these objects just as frequently as we did pre-Lightfall or not.

@thatoneguy2136 Год назад

@@jamescruz8678 it’s not just about spawning them frequently. It’s also that they won’t be giving energy to all abilities, just 1. Void will give only class Solar will give only Grenade. It’s all just a big nerf really. I miss wells already and they’re still here 😔

@jamescruz8678 Год назад

@@thatoneguy2136 Can you link the article that says Void will only give class ability energy and etc.? The Buildcrafting article from Bungie doesn't really specify which object grants energy to which ability.

@dsheffield2010 5 месяцев назад

I feel like a good trade-off would be my mobility have an impact on reload speed like if you have max mobility not only will you straight and jump better but you also have like a 50% buff to your reload speed

@geoscope3399 Год назад

I feel like that’s Strength for Hunter. It’s already an ability that can be brought back almost instantly with mods and perks but hunters can just dodge near an enemy and get it back instantly. So I basically just ignore strength

@mauri9998 Год назад

Yeah but armor stats are split between the first 3 stats and the bottom 3 stats. You cant get strength/discipline/intelligence points in mobility.

@Ace-rv9td Год назад

I was ranting about this in your comments the other day 😅 I just think mobility should have a real benefit that can be valuable on all classes, therefore making all of the classes choose which stats to focus rather than having a useless stat

@LightCrib2 Год назад

They should make is so that mobility makes combatants less accurate when shooting at you while you're moving

@kurtisdeakin Год назад

@@LightCrib2 How easy do you need this game to be?!

@LightCrib2 Год назад

@@kurtisdeakin Dawg, i just want mobility to be viable in PvE. The AI basically never misses so you're forced into resilience to tank shots

@thecapuchin Год назад

very nice loop. Slick. And as a hunter main, I appreciate this.

@r_jrizzlexox2281 11 месяцев назад

I've said it once, and I'll say it 100 more times. Tie AE and reload speed/ handling to mobility. Problem solved.

@simplyfitness892 10 месяцев назад

Not that simple. Would have to be a very low amount or it would be broken.

@Bored__AF 9 месяцев назад

@@simplyfitness892resil isnt broken?

@eddieloyola 8 месяцев назад

What’s AE?

@fartscourgeradahn7 8 месяцев назад

@@eddieloyola airborne effectiveness I think

@eddieloyola 8 месяцев назад

@@fartscourgeradahn7 oh duh, thank you!

@arcana8012 Год назад

Easy fix to this might be making mobility effect how fast your character performs animations like placing a well or barricade, or even the casting animation for your super. Could even potentially work synergize weapon reload speed.

@ytaussiewolf8619 Год назад

For super wise it might be abit to op if you think about it

@arcana8012 Год назад

@@ytaussiewolf8619 perhaps but it would require significant balancings

@ytaussiewolf8619 Год назад

@@arcana8012 POV wall rn

@arcana8012 Год назад

@@ytaussiewolf8619 ? Sry doesn't land with me?

@ArcturusAlpha Год назад

It needs to be either a buff to hunter specifically for maxing it or add negatives to titans and warlocks for having low mobility. Adding a change that affects all classes still gives hunters a negative by comparison

@lowbudgetgod7619 Год назад

Give each class a secondary stat bonus that goes up when their main class stat increases to offset it. Example: For hunters the main stat is mobility. When mobility goes up resilience or recovery 1 point per tier of the main stat for a total of 10 addtional points. So at 100 points of mobility resilience or recovery goes up 10 points for free. For warlocks each tier in recovery, mobility or resilience go up For titans each tier in resilience, recovery or mobility go up. The secondary stat would be whatever secondary stat best fits the class.

@booster247 Год назад

The problem is, that makes sense. Therefore, Bungie will never do it

@consequences1937 Год назад

Its because of this is why I usually run at least one Arc armour despite my build just so I can get those mods that give an extra 20 mobility or 20 strength just to even out my stats a bit more

@redhoodie4111 Год назад

That's going away in Lightfall tho, so we're still fucked

@NitroNinja324 Год назад

@redhoodie4111 You sure those two mods are going away?

@kaifox431 Год назад

@@redhoodie4111 Technically it's only their element affinity that is going away.

@MalanQuezo Год назад

What's going away is the ability to slit both of then at once

@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething Год назад

@@kaifox431 they’re being moved to helmet only and possibly getting a stat nerf(I think this is a rumor). But them both being locked to helmet is a pain as I use both in pvp. x.x

@realshadowlord 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, a few people recommend that higher mobility can give you a bit of faster reload. Negligent in most places but in pvp pretty useful

@cruye9633 Год назад

maybe mobility could increase your AE (like how resil increases flinch resistance), that seems to be bungie's favorite solution to things that need to do more, and it even kinda makes sense

@ReachxGames Год назад

As a PvE Hunter main, god I hope not. I’d rather have a handling or reload speed buff.

@TimothyMark7 Год назад

just buff it where mobility affects your sprint speed and slide distance and increases as your health gets lower therefore the stat is very useful for them

@GremlinsRage Год назад

Yes, just make Hunters more mobile. That won't impact PvP at all.

@WinningItAll Год назад

@@GremlinsRage .7 KD detected

@corymccarty3921 Год назад

@@GremlinsRage not just hunters, anyone that specs into it

@TimothyMark7 Год назад

@@GremlinsRage only arc hunters have good mobility any other subclass its meh

@GremlinsRage Год назад

@@WinningItAll 1.4 for this season, actually.

@davidskis13 Год назад

Imagine tying reload to mobility. Would cause some really interesting trade offs for endgame damage checks, plus make it stand out in pvp.

@cj6498 Год назад

Like hunters need to "stand out" in pvp.

@jameboyxiii Год назад

I like that idea, might get outta hand though. Solar hunters already has the 3x reload & handling buff. And Arc has reload buff after melee.

@XxgrimjowxX 9 месяцев назад

Easy fix, give it a fatter speed increase and make dodging go further

@morningstar9849 Год назад

What would be cool is if mobility affected how quickly your abilities activated, like increasing the animation speed or decreasing the amount of frames in between actions.

@stefbtw355 Год назад

Higher mobi = increased handling. Similar to Res giving flinch resistance/stability. This appeals to the locks/titans that put points into mobi for speed running as well. Each tier = 2 handling for a total of +20 at cap, or something similar. Higher than 20 handling might get a little broken in pvp as it effectively puts snapshot/quickdraw on every gun.

@Grayves_X 10 месяцев назад

I think adding a dodge chance or at least dodge chance when running would really help. I've seen a lot of good ideas for mobility, but they all miss something about recovery and resilience, both those 2 stats keep you alive. Running fast can keep you alive but not the same way. It needs to tie into the idea of hunters being hit and run really, how ever that would be done

@rhys7047 Год назад

I think mobility should increase AE. For PvE hunters normally don’t actually need to worry about strength tho due to gamblers Dodge; they’ve swapped one stat for another. It gets a bit crazier if you play arc tho bc you can completely ignore both mobility and strength if you play correctly, allowing you to ignore two stats. And if you use assassins cowl you can also ignore recovery as the exotic plus combo blow gives full health.

@fixeuskeane Год назад

Finally someone noticed this. They need to rework this. Its difficult doing a build with hunter because you must put on powerful friends all the time sacrificing that 1 slot. 🤦‍♂️

@TheDoctor1357 Год назад

Worst part is when your fireteam of titans and warlocks don’t understand why you need that high mobility even when you explain it to them

@AuralVirus 7 месяцев назад

as they jump higher, farther and run faster with 10-20 mob vs your 70+ that you sacrificed adding mods on

@charlesafonso5567 4 месяца назад

You already have the fastest base cooldown, hunters really doesn't need high mobility....

@tayk4784 3 месяца назад

@@charlesafonso5567 also the easiest skate to learn and do

@Winter_ink 4 месяца назад

Imma be 100%, I don't focus on recov or resist for my hunter, my aim is to get hit less not take more hits, and I'm able to do every late game activity fairly well, the 100 mobility is so much better for hunter build ranges than high resilience

@gaiance Год назад

It not only does hardly anything for Warlocks and Titans, it's actively detrimental to them. Which is why buffing mobility would be a really tricky thing to do since it would buff hunters while forcing the other classes to hurt themselves if they wanted to build into whatever new benefits it gained. As a warlock it'd have to give massive benefits for me to even consider boosting my mobility by anything higher than 40. Mobility as a whole needs to just be reworked.

@killiniix2243 Год назад

Agreed Titans and warlocks are faster the lower their mobility stat is because the first jump vertical jump height increase at higher mobility makes it take longer for those two to reach the ground and repeat lift/glide as the activation of those is where the speed comes from, the more of those you can chain in a row the faster you go

@twincat4574 Год назад

We need more energy armor slots cuz I ain't giving up my mobility but would kill for some resliance

@Crackerbarel2006 Год назад

I think it might be useful to add a generic affect when a stat is at 100. For instance, if mobility is at 100, it buffs your slide distance slightly, or if your recovery is at 100, you get a health bump on a kill similar to the vanguard origin perk (Small enough to avoid breaking the game, but big enough to have a slight impact on the overall outcome of a duel)

@sleepycandle2642 Год назад

Maybe having mobility also have a chance for you to be “missed” by a bullet, negating damage completely when it would normally connect, changing the normal damage number to “Miss” or whatever.

@RurouniHiro Год назад

@@sleepycandle2642 given that “ghost bullets” are a thing as well as high RoF weapons.. I don’t believe that would work out too well. Would think having an partial effect. Like for hunters Arc with DR on and during only the dodge. Void AA & radar break. Solar Dexterity/weapon swap speed buff maybe? Stasis… crystal substitute?

@jameboyxiii Год назад

Give mobility - slide boost Give recovery - tiny life steal And resilience? - after kill tiny overshield? What about other stats for tiny benefits? Will it be too much though for the other stats, it already receives max cooldown.

@SlimDAssassin 3 месяца назад

Titans should be changed to Strength, not Resilience.

@nightshadedawn Год назад

I've always thought that the classes should get a bonus buff for their respective stat. Titans are supposed to be the tank class yet everyone can be just as tanky outside of Supers. Same with Hunters and their mobility. Warlocks are the only real exception given their wells.

@thebigtoad Год назад

tbh hunters should have their additional jumps scale with mobility since they are just jumps, that an mobility should affect reload imo

@TTaTerT0TT Год назад

Clearly the hunters dump stat is intelligence

@Dredguno Год назад

I use peacekeepers with 50 mobility on Titan (50+50 to get 100 total mobility) and it definitely helps me with strafing to evade shots and win duels. Not to mention the sheer speed and height at which you can jump around

@innocence3156 Год назад

the speed boost is not noticeable. Ive ran tests. A 10 mobility is not that much slower than a 100. Not enough to effect the game.

@cranium_xii 4 месяца назад

I just focus on resilience as a warlock main. I have like double resilience compared to recovery (also intellect is a dump stat in general)

@IASEAGLE5 Год назад

Exactly. And if you don't use Powerful Friends and Radiant light for that free 20 mobility boost you're seriously handicapping yourself.

@Nadiki Год назад

And guess what, we’re probably losing that in Lightfall

@YungSinatraa Год назад

@@Nadikiu predicted

@Nadiki Год назад

@@YungSinatraa sadly and now all my builds are kil 😔

@Mr_Pereira13 Год назад

100% agreed, mobility needs a buff or a change in class ability in general altogether

@DerultimativeOzzy Год назад

Mobility itself is a weird problem as on Titans and Warlocks, high mobility can kinda screw up your skating capabilities. Its an actual detriment to have mobility.

@firstnamelastname-oy7es 3 месяца назад

I've always used a low mobility hunter and have never had any issues in endgame pve. Dodge recharges pretty quick, so you dont need high mobility OR strength as a hunter, resilience and discipline are the two most important pve stats for all classes. Armor mods heal and give super and ability energy back. Only problem is low mob hunters cant make one jump in spire of the watcher which sucks.

@thewaffle3d400 Год назад

Now imagine if Bungie somehow managed to change the hunter stat to Discipline, just imagine

@kirie0801 Год назад

Maybe they should consider implementing a damage evasion/nullification stat tied to mobility. Certain mmorpg/rpg games have an agility/mobility stat system that gives a certain percent chance to ignore damage. It's gonna be hell trying to balance it in pvp though. They probably thought of it but scrapped the idea when foreseeing the balance implications it can bring.

@yourlocalreptillian1742 Год назад

No.

@eclipse4517 Год назад

The easier thing to do imo would be to give enemy AI accuracy that scales based on your mobility. Basically, the higher your mobility, the less accurate PvE enemies are at hitting you. Like a passive hit evasion bonus. It both makes sense thematically and gives a benefit that is pretty comparable to resilience's PvE damage mitigation. Both reduce the overall damage you'd be taking in different ways, and you could build into both to maximize the benefits.

@7112_ahcyhcram_relyt Год назад

It'd be cool if mobility also gave higher jump to ability jump, and maybe made the dodge also be performed faster

@Justin-kc4gn Год назад

They should give us back our quick dodges lol

@maskedhobo 3 месяца назад

Still trying to figure out why my hunter sprints slower than my friends Warlock and Titan.

@Lpz_7R Год назад

As a hunter main I support this vid for calling out the fact that titans and warlocks can move across vast distances with amazing speed which enhances escape ability in pvp whereas I can't move across a 12 foot gap without getting smoked. 🤣

@Maxtech50 Год назад

Yeah but u cant instant mollywop over my head and feed me a 12 gauge through the back of my skull and i cant do shit about it (profesional crayon eater)

@stephenquaye8860 Год назад

It's even worse now since they removed powerful friends

@syphonexp4695 8 месяцев назад

Things like, faster reload, weapon swap speed, slide distance, ADS speed, bow draw speed, hell maybe mantle speed even, or just buff its current effects

@RedPhoenix5606 Год назад

As a Titan I actively try to get my mobility as low as possible

@jonathansandoval9885 Год назад

What’s mobility?

@bananaman7973 Год назад

@@jonathansandoval9885mobility= gotta go fast

@RedPhoenix5606 Год назад

@@jonathansandoval9885 I forgor

@amarojager 9 месяцев назад

Fun fact: Higher mobility on a Warlock causes your glide to raise ever so slightly the higher you go, and holds your momentum better. So it's not _entirely_ useless, it just has a very niche spot for speedrunners primarily, who use a lot of skating. :D

@Zabzim Год назад

Bungie should tie weapon reloading to agility, so the higher your agility the faster you reload.

@ankaht Год назад

I just posted the same idea before seeing this! It would definitely make it a top tier choice for DPS Min/Maxers

@bannedmann4469 Год назад

I worry that if they did implement that, they'd make base reload worse. Think Air accuracy now.

@ankaht Год назад

@@bannedmann4469 I mean maybe, but they haven't nerfed it even though Lunafaction boots exist. No one is even running those now.

@Zabzim Год назад

@@bannedmann4469 yeah, I would expect as much. But I’m not deterred as we want agility to be valued and making it mandatory is fine

@Mahavegan Год назад

As a D2 player with only 1 char being a Hunter for years... it is hurtful but very true.

@bcphil510 Год назад

I was you a few years ago and honestly you need to make those other 2 characters. Hunters are the 3rd best class imo but they're still my favorites

@robertgray3710 Год назад

Hear me out. Make mobility affect your sprint speed and all jump height and can enable hunters to shoot and sprint simultaneously or just give buffs to weapon handling since higher speed means quicker use of fire arms or other weapons

@michaelkirkner2051 9 месяцев назад

Depending on how you speck your Titan you don't even need to worry about strength either

@randybutternubs4647 Год назад

As a hunter, I just focus on mobility, resilience, and recovery. I've been trying to max all 3 but it's very difficult. I'm just trying to turn my guy into a hunter/titan hybrid. A fast moving tank.

@pcrjewbtw8900 Год назад

I’m gonna be completely honest, hunters don’t need any changes, they’re already the best class in the game so if you care about a pretty minuscule detail that you can’t ignore one stat completely then idk what to tell you💀 stop whining 😭

@ZenoFlamesEcho 11 месяцев назад

Best class is a bit of a stretch isn’t it? Yeah hunters may have good mobile skills but at the same time we have the least damaging supers with Gathering Storm being one of the only good ones (celestial nighthawk being second)

@themeditatinggamer2264 Год назад

That transition was so smooth I only realized it happened because you started repeating yourself.

@krackawoody2556 3 месяца назад

To be fair having max mobility means you never actually need to reload because dodge is up before you finish a mag

@truestorey3692 Год назад

I hope bungie sees this and do something about it.

@zubrhero5270 Год назад

Solar Warlocks during the Solar rework: "We are the mobility class." Hunters crying a single 100-mobility tear.

@spacewizardpip1111 Год назад

Hunters still do it pretty good. Stasis Hunters are really good with that Eager Edge Skating if you can do that

@quindecim7507 Год назад

you can easily use the build crafting system with armor charges to make triple 70s into triple 100s, that's what i've been doing with hunter. put one mod onto every piece of armor and you get a +30 to every stat when you pick up an orb of power.

@itskingslay3r 8 месяцев назад

If you’re a solar hunter, you don’t need any mobility cuz being radiant gives you your dodge back in like 10 to 20 seconds

@tannerbarrera7897 7 месяцев назад

Easy fix idk why this isn’t in the game yet. Add a tactical sprint like all the new cods have but include a visible cooldown meter dictated by your mobility stat. But ofc Bungie would never do that

@1xjohn141 5 месяцев назад

that would ruin the game

@Ellyark Год назад

I would argue that you don’t really need strength on a hunter; if you want to use your melee option is pretty much always better to invest into mobility and use gamblers dodge

@sirpr3ce855 Год назад

but you cant "dump" strength on armor for higher mobility. that is not how armor stat distribution works

@Ellyark Год назад

@@sirpr3ce855 I guess but even with a moderate mobility stat you still get your dodge back way faster than your melee at max strength, and discipline is usually more important anyway

@voyagerwitch Год назад

@@sirpr3ce855 yes, you can. you can do this by farming for/buying high stat armor pieces with low strength rolls. high stat armor is limited on a stat-total basis, so with lower strength, the other stats can be higher. it's not directly a point-buy system, but when buildcrafting and build-planning, you can treat it like one.

@VaderBreath213 Год назад

As a warlock main I've always wanted to max the mobility stat. Speed kills in the crucible. Strafing is insanely effective in gunfights. And feeling I'm forced to push recovery, which takes more armor cost to supplement, has sucked. Even the early armor stats never dropped sets that would push mobility to 10. I think the best we could get was around 4 or 5. In the whole game.

@hawkz1510 Год назад

I try not to play crucible on Warlock or Titan if I don't absolutely need to because the base strafe speed is so incredibly slow. I wish that they would standardize strafe speed to about what 8 Mobi is, and have Mobi affect something else instead. Hate feeling like I cant move on the other classes.

@turbotegs2102 Год назад

Just use transversives and slide into every gunfight, same with dunes and stompees, you don't need any mobility.

@VaderBreath213 Год назад

@@turbotegs2102 8 Mobility feels amazing. You actually have options in a gunfight. You can be competitive. 3 Mobi feels like your rolling a potato. Idk. I think I'm just gonna spec it how I want. Plenty of restoration options that can supplement recovery. Damn what the content creators say. Lol

@HaizyGoneOfficial Год назад

@@VaderBreath213 If you're playing anything higher than 3 mobility on warlock you're tossing so hard

@VaderBreath213 Год назад

@@HaizyGoneOfficial You a warlock main?

@D2Beagle 9 месяцев назад

On my warlock I actually have a 100 mobility, resilience and discipline build with tranversive steps and heat rises and Icarus dash with the other half with enhanced eager edge made just for speedrunning and movement tech

@callmechaf1165 Год назад

Would be hard to balance but possible, but mobility could be turned into dexterity as a whole general term, giving it also a boost to reload speed and weapon swap. Just a small extra bonus. This is from a Warlock main btw, so I wouldnt use it at all lol but would be a good balance

@armaxyz Год назад

Just add mobility to more aspects/fragments/echos/embers/sparks. Easiest way to solve the issue without breaking the game.

@drewjackson6403 Год назад

this is an amazing short man, great loop great editing and couldnt agree more as a hunter main lol

@TheN1ightWolf 8 месяцев назад

i used to run 100 mobility coz i thought it was important for a hunter but after i focussed more on recov and discipline my experience improved a lot in endgame content so i dont see a point in running high mobility

@Mintybird 8 месяцев назад

While not entirely useful in most situations, mobility actually does have an effect on *some* double jumps. All Warlock jumps and Blink are heavily affected by your momentum. Having a higher mobility stat means you jump a greater distance with your first jump within the same span of time. This means you can get a not so insignificant boost to your speed when using Burst Glide, Blink, or other things that can generate slight boosts in momentum with your Warlock jumps like Icarus Dash. It also means you can double jump a bit higher than normal with all Warlock jumps.