THE BIGGEST ANTI-AIR MISSILE IN THE GAME | Tor-M1 

The missile "jumping" before firing off is called cold launching. You guessed correctly, the missiles are launched through gas (the gas isn't actually in the missiles, it's through a gas chamber below the missile itself.) One of the benefits of cold launching over hot launching (the rocket engine activating within the vertical launch tube) is in the event of a launch and the missile engine malfunctions, they can eject the missile to avoid it exploding inside.

04:58 “The missile predicts where you are at all times. It knows this because it predicts where you are not…”

The missile moving so erratically is giving me major anxiety

An advantage to a VLS (vertical launch) system like is is that you can fire multiple missiles rapidly in multiple directions without the turret needing to move. This makes sense when you understand that a big part of Tor's mission is to shoot down waves of inbound cruise missiles.

Actually the RIM-24a are the biggest Surface to Air Missiles, its on the USS Douglas. Could be a cool video idea.

“The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, the system commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. The position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.”

Forgot to mention that the TOR can lock onto two targets at once and quickly switch between which is being tracked

I feel like when it launches out it's fins are pointed in a specific way to allow it to turn before the motor fires

1:34 this is for firing from closed positions, when surrouded by trees, or rocks or buildings. Rescently there is a video appeared where "Pancyr" shoots at multiple targets from closed positions and one of rockets just hits near building just because of this reason - tilted missile launcher. Also Tor's missiles are much heavier, so this vertical lounching position is it's key feauture.

It's meant to shoot down multiple targets at the same time which is why it has the launch system. It means it can just pop a missile and have the tiny rocket shove it in the right direction without turning the turret.

So we are just ignoring the fact that he uses RU-vid white mode....

As dcs pilot and study of missile evasion i can tell you can hit the dive to bamboozle missile dive into the ground killing itself. Second tactic is to notch which is pointing your wing at the threat (you know when you're 90° degrees to threat site from RWR) 3rd tactic is weaving which happens turning side to side as you're chaffing. Tactic for those fighters or players that doesn't have chaff against SAMs like Tor is to go back dive to treetop level and weave but do not turn hard or you'll lose speed and become vulnerable to missile. TOR missiles can be independent which means even it's host lose lock on you the missile itself sees you but if you do many evasive actions you will likely break it's lock because it's too much for it or it self destruct due to it's low energy it had to bleed because it tries always get ahead of you.

i think in addition to what others have said about firing multiple rockets at once at different targets, the VLS allows it to be better hidden or camouflaged say if in a clearing in the woods or in a courtyard in a clump of buildings in a small town, if working in tandem with separate radar entities it can fire without needing a direct line of sight without giving away where it launched from .

5:23 ; A missle knows where it is, by subtracting where it isnt….

So glad your back Phly, we all missed you!

the missiles are stored in the middle because it is protected and its better than having 8 unprotected missles at your back that everyone can see.

The vertical launch really reminds me of the submarines from back in the day

This AA to be honest feels like and underground missile base for some reason I am glad you are back

Another to keep in mind is the TOR-1 in warthunder is nerfed to be usable in warthunder. They can shoot out to like 20-25 almost 30 miles.

You have been back a while now but I cannot explain how much excitement I still feel seeing a new video

I guess the main benefit VLS (vertical launch system) is that its easy to reload and you can store more munitions without the need of complex reloading equipment like that used in rail and tube launched systems. It would be the same for naval ships using VLS, Plus extra credit for looking cool af

I remember the Tor-M1 was also in the original MW2 during “Contingency” mission, it’s the one that shoots down the 1st Predator drone that you use in the mission when you reach the top of a hill overlooking a village

19:05 something you can do to dodge modern air défense missiles is called notching and it implies flying perpendicular to the missile while launching flares and chaff. This makes it harder for the missile to track the target. I don’t know if it’s modeled in the game but I would hope so

I love the replay analysis - always wanted to re-watch some of your good kills, so i'm here for it!!

1:45 its launches it vertical becuse the soviet wanted to have a Sam system that cann engage targets 90 degree over it the search radar even looks up you cann see the small extention on the radar angled upwards so you cann scan for targets above you and shoot them

5:27 „The missile knows where it is because it knows where it isn't by subtracting where it is from...“

Stacking the missiles vertically allows you to fit for more missiles, especially when they're that big. The missile system was designed to house the missiles inside to protect them mainly from the environment so feasible way to house them sideways. You have to do verticle.

Yeah, usually for a launch like that, they use some kind of compressed gas to give the initial boost before the missile's motor ignites.

I’m so happy you played this I was waiting for a video on it! Great video❤

Phly it flips over in the beginning bc The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation.

Genuinely, thank you for the replay footage! ❤️ I really enjoy being able to appreciate your work from other angles and slow-mo. 👍 Also, that last death where you claimed cheater, I dunno if it was the right class (recon), but, could he have had a drone to be scouting the area with? 🤔

The VLS in the Tor is the most efficient way to Shoot 360 and to store missile. Same reason, why most ships have VLS. The Tor flipps with manouver Jets.

Man I can't say how much I have missed the daily uploads from daddy Phly ;)

BEYOND happy to see Phly in my feed. Working from home feels good again!

As others have explained it's meant to engage multiple targets and in the real world it will often get the radar data from a different entity so it doesn't need it's own radar to guide the missles. Imagine if helicopter base AA put an F-14 style track while scan lock on anything that came too close that you could use in warthunder terms.

Man i really wish i knew your key bindings, id love to know what you have and maybe if it suits me set mine up kinda similar

I think the reason the missiles are missing/snaking hard and losing energy is because Phly is switching out of auto mode. In the lead mode, every small change in target direction at long range makes the missile veer hard to keep leading with each slight move. The target burns very little energy but the missile burns a lot of energy. In auto mode, I suspect the missile will use the most energy saving mode until it's close enough that the lead mode will not cause wild deviations in its course.

I believe why the missiles are launched like that is because navy ships like the Arleigh Burke class has a VLS and you can carry so many missiles with less moving parts. So in reality the Tor-2 is a small, mobile land VLS for AA use. That’s my reasoning, since the arm carrying design like on some of the AA like the ADATs??? Idk haven’t gotten that far in the game yet, but it was very complex on ships and could only carry a couple missiles and had a long, complex reload time

I’m guessing the missiles turn with the turret so the tip function can work without having to spin the missile and then tip it. Makes the launch system and sequence a little less complicated at least in theory. Don’t know how they achieve the tip other than maybe whatever force pushes it out the tube is slightly off center so it doesn’t throw it straight up.

yeah, that VLS is a gas generator pushing the missile out, then using gas thrusters on the missile to orient before lighting its main engine.

We love that your back. Also reminds me of Destroyers missile launches nowadays

The reason for the vertical tubes is because it is more efficient. If you look at most of the Naval Vessels (Russian, American etc) they have the capability for a VLS (Vertical launch system). It can also mean that you can change the type of missile in the case of something like a Ticonderoga class cruiser. Instead of having Anti-Air SM-6's it could have Tomahawk cruise missiles instead in the same tubes that the SM-6's would be in. It is overall just a better and more efficient way of launching missiles.

literally looking at the xray you can deduce its the length of the missile. Also mounting them on the turret puts a ton of weight that's required to spin with the turret and track vehicles.

Tor (SA-15) is the best. Such a lovely SAM system. They launch vls to save space and for protection from blast. Also you can as in game track and destroy incoming missiles as the system was designed for. The 9M330/1 missile have a large proxi to hit these types of objects

Seeing ppl in a cobra let along in 11.0 pop off always makes me happy. That thing usually gets ripped apart like wet paper before it's even 2 km to the battlefield

if its long range you need to dive down and use the terrain for cover, because of the predicting nature it will slam into the ground if done correctly or hit a hill.

I forgot how much phly daddy makes me appreciate the small things in warthunder

On the strategy to evade the missile, there's a certain turret in Space Engineers iirc, that fires into the predicted future position of a ship based on it's vectors movement. The way it's usually avoided is with a screewdriver/vortex type of forward movement, which often results in complete and continous missing of the target. The danger of this method is if the object under our control moves completely straight and is, in fact, only rotating, our ass *will* get nae nae'd. If one would say, learn how to perform a controlled stall turn from screwdriver or vortex forward movement, without falling out of the sky due to loss of lift, that could be one of the ways to dodge, because the missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is - whichever is greater - it obtains a difference or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviation to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position that it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is is now the position that it wasn't, and if follows that the position that it was is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information that the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it know where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice versa. And by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

vls'es normally don't take up so much space and especially with rotating platforms it minimizes the moment of inertia, so let's it turn more easily

From what I've heard those are the same vertical missiles designed for ship use and are mortar fired before igniting the secondary systems so as to not damage delicate radar or other systems or personnel with the backblast.

The "lead" mode is meant to be used against missiles. Standard tracking is fine for aircraft as at the very least you'll destroy the engines and it'll crash. With a missiles, primarily with WMDs, you need to destroy the warhead as destroying with tank/body will in most cases allow the warhead to continue on its flight trajectory. The SAM will explode in front of the target sending the energy and shrapnel either into the incoming missile or sort of make a flak cloud of shrapnel that will detonate the warhead as it passes through the cloud. Think of it like a guidable Flak gun from WW2: you want to lead your target to kill it. It works foe aircraft too but it's not necessary That's the dumbed down explanation at least. "Lead" for missiles, "trail" for aircraft.

the rocket is using thrust vectoring. that's why it can change direction so fast after the launch.

Why it's VLS? My best guess would be easier to engage in any direction when the launcher is slaved into an external radar. With the VLS the missile can go in any directions, so the turret does not have to "look" at the intended target. And afaik the missiles have small boosters (like the RCS boosters on the space shuttle) in the nose to point the tip in the right direction after ejection.

My sanity break from war thunder ended perfectly in time for phly's return as well! What a sick coincidence

I look forward to seeing the Type 93 and the Tor-M1 chilling together on the battlefield, despite being on opposite teams.

8:44 is basically the only time I have ever heard Phly genuinely scared from seeing a team mate die.

5:26 I was kinda expecting to hear "the missile knows where it is" not gonna lie😂

Epic dubstep intro phly 🤙 Keep it up 👍

Thank you for showing the comparision between the real and game SAM system. I think they really need to improve on the sound effects and detail of weapons being fired in this game.

Phly I just wanted you to know that I’ve been watching you ever since I started playing war thunder about 5 years ago and I just wanna say that all of your videos make me happy and laugh even when I’m sick or having a bad day so thank you❤ (R.I.P Daniel)😢

Chaff should work a bit wiith the Missile. will be kinda intresting if they add Electronic warfare as a aspect to the game, radar jammer pods can help with evading this kind of missiles, since it will deny the radar ranging informations

It's basically like a dry launch system uses gases to propel it up before it Fires it's rocket engines .Russian ships use the same technique to launch their missiles from the VLS. it's basically so if the rocket malfunctions it is not activated and fall like a dud but I could be wrong about that part

I just gotta say, it is so nice to have you back man! I don’t even play war thunder anymore and you make me laugh out loud and shout at the screen every time you post a video. Thanks for doing what you do man!

its easier to have a contained launch system , and vertical takes up less are footprint so smaller vehicle, if you are intending to use cold launch, you need a contained area to allow the missile to be 'fired' kind of like a barrel in a gun. you could have a system mounted on the back but you would have to put more effort and design into containing it all. if you used a system like various rocket launching trucks you see the missile would have to use its own propellant to get moving.

That rocket has so much energy!

Most modern missiles and basically all radar guided ones Im aware of lead their targets. In reality pilots will try to use that against the missile if theyre defending from it by changing direction and making the missile do a long lead turn bleeding its energy in the process. If fired from max range even smaller course adjustments can make missiles miss or more like not reach their target.

Great to see you back in the thick of the action 🎬.

you should check out large cruise missiles used by the russians. they also go straight up, then have correcting side thrusters that make the missile drop to a horizontal position in the air, then fires the main thruster. imagine this AA missile but probably around 300 times heavier. zircon launches like that for example.

I think phly need to watch the s550 launch lol if he wants his mind blown

In real life one of the ways to evade such a leading missile is by doing large high-speed loops perpendicular to the line between the missile's origin and the point where you were before starting the evasive maneuver. So in case of heading towards the SAM, you quickly turn 90 degrees and then enter the loop

It's basically a vertical box launcher on tracks. Just imagine if the USA used its Standard VBL missle system and put it in a tracked or wheeled vehicle system.

Honestly this is such a cool AA that I would not mind seeing another video

If this is anything like the Little Bird we can almost NEVER expect this AA to be added into it's real country's tech tree

This missed system is meant to intercept fast moving targets in a short distance. It doesn't does well against aircraft with a large degree of maneuverability such as drones and helicopters. Also it is easily distracted by missiles since the computer prioritizes them.

5:27 The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"

yes its called a cold launch. they use a form on compressed gas to launch the missel from the tube then the missel fires its main engines

Cold launched missiles don't kick up a bunch of dust. There's other benefits too ofc.

phly makes every thing funny and i like phly for that :D

Lead for planes, direct for helicopters. It makes sense 🤷 ude have to remember to switch tho cuz obviously it tried to lead the heli but it was probably moving slowly or not atall so it threw itself high

Hey Phly! Awesome Video as always! Loving the SPAA videos! As always peeps, DONT FORGET TO LEAD YOUR TARGETS But hey, you should check out the Italian C13 T90 It was the vehicle that got me my phirst nuke, and I’d like to see it and the ABUL/74 (specifically the 90mm) on the channel! The combo means in any terrain you can get to a sneaky spot, and scout phor tons of SP! (Day 111) (But play the Hawk III first) (Play all the new stuff actually first, then the Hawk, then the C13) Even tho he’s retired I still strive to see the Hawk III for my boy

The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.

Daaaaamn Daniel! Back at it again with those Tiger Skills!

Phly that thing locked onto a missile damn that means you can shoot enemy missiles down with that thing but I wanna know can a person shoot the missile rite when it pops out of the tank and make it explode and kill the TOR

The reason the launch sounds like the torpedo is because they're both metal tubes grinding against their metal launcher.

you gotta bind select radar target to lock onto another target :) or it will always switch to the last one you locked on

Do not quote me on any of thisi just list some possible advantages: I can see it beeing done to get easier ground clearance like for when you try to launch a missile from an ocelot towards a low flying target, due to the ultra low launch altitude the missile sometimes hit objects/ground (also sometimes to the fact that the missiles tracking system does not contain obstacle/ground clearance/ avoiding features) with that high of a launch altitude, you can decrease that a lot.

Launch system looks like some guided missile cruiser silos. Maybe they’re building in here for the day when we get modern naval?

Its missing nozzles flash that orient missile after ejection from rack. They are at front of the missile.

5:28 "The missile knows where..." oh here we go again lol

Check out Bastion launches. They also look insanely dope

I love it. Be cool to see some TOS-1 Thermobarics

Make a video about how the SU-11 is the most broken thing in air RB at 7.0. (attempt 5)

Whats super scuffed is that most of the 11.0 SPAA have automatic lead tracking although it is direct optical, Flak rad and its clones, ADATS, 2S6.. etc.., The 2S6 optic isn’t even fixed to the turret so the FCS can automatically lead the target with a SAM using IRST while the guns are still slaved to the radar which can engage the same or a different target.

@phlydaily check out the Russian Bastion coastal defense missile it uses the same cold launch system but with a giant missile you can see how the cold thrusters work better they're really cool to watch launch

love when you show the replays. GG

A anti tank version would be interesting

The launch is really cool! But look at launch of the Bastion P. It's much cooler!

anytime i see Phly play WT.... i get motivated log in , get destroyed.annihilated... delete game and dedicate myself to watch these vids 😀😅

Oh nice it was the newest SPAA

It functions the same way as a jav where it has an primary charge that shoots it and then the rocket fires after a gyro has made the missile rotate.