The Biggest Flops In Yugioh History : Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon

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@MegaCapitalG Год назад

Man you guys are fired up !! And I absolutely love it !! The biggest flops in Yugioh history is an inherently subjective and controversial series by nature (as Will another new series I’m working on). I provide information on the card’s history, expectations and competitive results and then you ultimately decide. Time to start working on the third entry

@Melancholy_Mudkip Год назад

Love the series my guy, it's so informative and it really sets a "Lore" feel to the competitive side of TCG. I'm all for it

@MegaCapitalG Год назад

@@Melancholy_Mudkip Thank you ! Check out the first entry on Sea Monster of Theasus

@Melancholy_Mudkip Год назад

@@MegaCapitalG already did good sir, I'm caught up on this series 👍

@chuifongtam4703 Год назад

CapG Dragoon didn't flop my guy.. It didn't dominate in meta decks obviously, but it pushed MULTIPLE rogue or tier 3 decks to Tier 2 or even Tier 1. Cyber dragons become tier 2 and could put up Dragoon + infinity + another negate + back row FOR FREE WITH JUST 2 EFFECT MONSTERS (Make anaconda > Dragoon with 2 monsters only). Sky Strikers could close out and lock games. PK, Hero, Orcust, and many other decks were buffed by Dragoon and CAME BACK. It didn't dominate like in the OCG but it was still good! MAN DO YOUR RESEARCH!

@brandonscott5544 Год назад

Great megacapitalg 💫: Brandon Scott thank you 😉

@patrickbrennan4853 Год назад

Dragoon had the time to shine thanks to Predeplant Anaconda. I feel like DPE just became more splashable so it took Dragoon's spot.

@trippersigs2248 Год назад

Well yes, that's EXACTLY what happened. DPE took Dragoons spot because DPE's total package is MUCH better than Dragoons, despite Dragoon being a stronger card.

@restlessheroes Год назад

Cause even the destiny heroes sent to the grave could serve as extenders as oposed to two lv 7 vanillas?

@Kylora2112 Год назад

@@trippersigs2248 Fusion Destiny also wasn't a brick the way Red-Eyes Fusion was. You can activate Fusion Destiny from the hand at the end of your combo with no issues (basically the same as going into Bananaconda without having to pay 2k), whereas drawing Red-Eyes Fusion meant it was either Dragoon or your combo.

@nnnp634 Год назад

@@trippersigs2248 I'm not even 100% sure Dragoon is a stronger card. DPE can be harder to get rid of and combo really well with Scythe. Also it destruction might even be better than a negate, given that there are a few negates on board anyway. On the other hand, Eldlich setting their hand, putting a Dragoon and drawing two could be game breaking as well.

@williamfalls Год назад

I think part of what makes DPE better is that Pred Ana could still get run over by a beatstick if you Dragoon, but DPE could essentially pop it and any other card on the field on summon. And of course, Destiny Heros have more graveyard effects than two normal monsters.

@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 Год назад

As a non-yugioh player, it blows my mind that this card is considered a "failure" it looks so busted

@strangevol5264 Год назад

Well, firstly, the only good way to get it out (Verte) is banned, the fusion spell locks you out of other Special Summons, discard to negate sucks, no one really uses the destruction effect, and it's kind of vulnerable, despite protection.

@yugiwinninglex Год назад

It's vulnerable to mainly just super poly, forbidden droplet, kaiju and dark ruler which u have to draw those out. It was busted and predaplant anaconda makes easy access to it at the time. Also discarding nowadays in ygo isn't really a cost cuz most cards hav gy effects. Gy is like a 2nd hand at times.

@JABRIEL251 Год назад

Loss of Verte and before DPE being way less bricky.

@nnnp634 Год назад

It requires a cost for a negate, 3 bricks and has to be your last summon (if you use Anaconda, which you do). If points 2 or 3 didn't hold it would've been busted (imagine Busterlock with Dragoon), but with these restriction only protection could save him. Protection, however wasn't so amazing, when you don't have Vanity or Max C to stop your opponent from summoning monsters and when there is a lot of outs. Good card overall, but nothing spectacular. Baroness or Savage were better because they could be made mid combo easier, and DPE was better because it required less bricks and tagging out was actually a better protection.

@TheNewblade1 Год назад

It was a flop not a failure.

@Melancholy_Mudkip Год назад

As someone who doesn't Play TCG I've always wondered why the reception for Dragoon has been so mixed between these formats.

@Zetact_ Год назад

It'd be like if Konami decided to wait until Fall 2023 to release the new Ishizu cards. Will that make Ishizu Tear a "bad" deck in the TCG if it just was inaccessible prior to power creep? Especially if Konami decides to print cards that probably were designed for the specific purpose to counter the strategy?

@ArtixZs Год назад

2019-2020-2021 dragoon was bastard cause he was played in everything. had to play him in pendulum even

@thomaswood8405 Год назад

Maxx C. The true effects of that card are a LOT more complicated than "it keeps combo decks in check," which isn't even true, but I digress, and it can effect deck building a lot. A resolved Maxx C is pretty much a death sentence, but Dragoon is an insanely powerful summon even under Maxx C, pretty much guaranteeing survival at the time. For whatever reason, OCG players LOVE Maxx C, so they hated Dragoon for being able to make a decently strong threat under Maxx C. On a subtler, but probably no less important note, in a meta game with Maxx C, RE Fusion isn't a brick, because you don't really want to summon anything else under Maxx C.

@e-tan3911 Год назад

@@thomaswood8405 For the record, OCG players don't "love" Maxx C, it's just at 3, so they kinda have to tolerate it's existence. As such, the meta of that format's been warped around the card. Dragoon being banned was a result of this format-warping card.

@KaoruMzk Год назад

Dragoon will forever be the terror of locals and casual online matches.

@therobotchickenMLP Год назад

As a newer player without a playset of Ashes or any Droplets or any of the other Dragoon counters, Dragoon was an absolute nightmare for me. One time, I did the full Phantom Knight combo, and my friend just activated Red-Eyes Fusion to win right there. Two burning destructions and then direct attack.

@VladAngelOfDarkness Год назад

F*cking Bull$#!¡+ (is what i would have said right there right then)

@Luigi_Main3752 Год назад

@@VladAngelOfDarkness To me it was a $150 card that felt debilitating to face down at my first locals.

@doyouevendab77 4 месяца назад

Wow!!! I toadally know what you mean, had similar experience.

@stonalisa3729 3 месяца назад

I would pick up some ash blossoms. Never seen a card be played so consistently for almost a decade

@AstralLaVista Год назад

I think we can all agree, verte anaconda wasn't a flop

@dayvonlouis5187 Год назад

Any deck that needed a quick fusion had an answer

@tylerkister4628 Год назад

I think it is a bit of one because of the fact it was the one that got banned at least In the tcg

@AstralLaVista Год назад

@@tylerkister4628 the fact that it got banned means it didn't flop

@kinglyknight Год назад

@@AstralLaVista I mean if you define "flop" as didn't single handedly dominate the entire TCG meta game.. then I guess. Not the definition I'd use

@MistBestWaifu Год назад

@Jake Folk Verte has been banned for quite a while now. Idk what format you're playing lmao

@Big1nz Год назад

Dragoon was in the meta though for a while until DPE replaced it. I don't see how its a flop, it served its purpose and is more "fair" then DPE due to its bad spell and materials.

@ftbslayter9017 Год назад

@DROPBEAR9 Год назад

Considering it was considered the next major boss monster that would change the game it absolutely flopped. It was a niche card in the meta

@redomnitrix6834 Год назад

Yea when it did alot of people were relived u would much rather deal with the inconvience dpe was the the offensive and defensive juggernaut dragoon was he could go crazy by himself he didn't need a artifact sythe combo or anything else

@TheQuickyouknow Год назад

What's dpe?

@cancerstinks1 Год назад

It was a flop cause it was hyped as arguably the greatest boss monster ever made at that point.

@Rabbitlord108 Год назад

Can't wait for the episode on the entire Vendread archetype next month.

@Da_Shark Год назад

Leave my bois alone

@VladAngelOfDarkness Год назад

@@Da_Shark f*ck dem game boys; going down. ... zw z

@U1TR4F0RCE Год назад

I think mbt’s two videos from when youtube shorts were very telling about the situation where dragoon is theoretically stronger but there already being multiple combo decks ending on multiple negates made it more bricky then dpe. With the dpe float also just super convenient

@philithegamer8265 Год назад

You forgot to mention DPE's interaction with the Artifact Engine and being far more splashable in control decks thanks to Destiny HERO Celestial...

@U1TR4F0RCE Год назад

@@philithegamer8265 that is true but I think it took a little while for the artifact engine to catch on. Though yeah the celestial draw two definitely is worth mentioning and I imagine if DPE didn't have that interaction with Scythe I personally think it probably wouldn't have had the staying power it had.

@joel2628 Год назад

I remember after I came back to the game, and I was checking out some of the online simulators. I encounter Dragun and within a couple of turns I realized the card was absolutely broken.

@ytmndman Год назад

Shortly after it came out I was playing traditional format on dueling book (1 of each banned card allowed), my opponent got out dragoon, I baited out its negate, then flipped fiber jar, and spent the rest of the duel trying to explain to my opponent that it neither targeted nor destroyed so dragoon wasn't immune to it. He wouldn't listen and eventually rage quit.

@Freedomcustom Год назад

@@ytmndman I don't actually think ANY card is immune to Fiber Jar seeing as its essentially a game reset card

@deproissant Год назад

I think the main reason for Dragoon's relative failure compared to its dominance in the OCG is, interestingly enough, Maxx "C". I stole this take from Sebto, but in a format with Maxx "C" running rampant, having a good Verte target became a great contigency plan and worth running 2 literal garnets. It's a non-problem in the TCG so why run 2 vanillas when you can run literally any other engine cards? Also, let me just say that one of the things I love with old Yugitubers like you, Robbie and John is that you guys actually pay attention to OCG stuf when most contemporary players and Yugitubers just dismiss OCG entirely.

@AristotleOfGreece Год назад

I feel like most of the time OCG cards come to the TCG less powerful because more time has passed (new support released, more time for people to figure out counters, etc.) but I wonder if there are examples of the opposite happening where a card from the OCG comes to the TCG more powerful.

@ZL_cloud Год назад

I hope that Red-Eyes or Dark Magician gets another Fusion Spell that can quickly get this out with less restrictions, but not be too splashable so it's played in the deck its designed for. It's my favorite fusion yugioh has ever created tho.

@ronaldo9inter448 Год назад

You can say it loud, Red Eyes player here

@dylan9013 Год назад

Agreed. Dragoon is objectively the strongest DM monster, so no longer being able to turbo it out hurts. A Dark Magician fusion that would be searchable with Rod would take Dark Magician to the next level.

@xakannax Год назад

@ZL Cloud Dark magician already has that! You can use Eye of Timaeus to summon Dragoon by targeting a literal copy of Dark Magician on your field (super easy to get out) ;) you only get 1 pop per turn tho Its significantly better because you can also use that spell to go into the other DM staple fusions For Red eyes players i got nothing, Red Eyes Fusion is just plain terrible due to the whole if it gets ashed your turn is over....

@VladAngelOfDarkness Год назад

Awww yeaahhhh da red eye's playeuh.! ... is how i felt at first. But then you play Cydras, Yosenjus, Coin deck, Dragunity and a few other funner decks and realize how f*cking boring Red Eye's is. Ow O i mean there's far worst but.... red eye's is like playing yubel... or vampires..... but more boring.... and it's spammed just as much as bewd.... :/

@handlespressure5858 Год назад

@@xakannax EOT isn’t searchable though. Even being a “Dark Magician” card. You cannot search it with Rod, making it garbage. Dark Magician is the only deck I use. I’ve splashed sky strikers, pure, branded. I’ve tried EOT and it just isn’t that good. The minute you active it, 80% of the time your opponent has a card to chain and remove DM, thus resolving EOT with no effect. It’s happened too many times. You have to open Magicians Souls and EOT on turn 1 going first

@Iguessimhere154 Год назад

I think this is a good testament to show how the OCG and TCG differs from each other when it comes to how cards impacts their respective formats. Cause another good example of this happening was when Crossout Designator was finally released in the TCG. A card that was a staple 3 of in the OCG when released to the point of it being put on the banlist later on, but when released in the TCG, although is still a great card, wasn't as impactful as we originally thought.

@philithegamer8265 Год назад

Because Maxx C is overpowered. That one card makes all the difference in the metagame.

@Primarina. Год назад

i remember using triple tactic talents to steal dragoon on a ygo dueling website and the person cursed me out and said "who even plays that card!?" as i OTK'd him with his own dragoon lol

@darkdestroyer4228 Год назад

It depend on format, but yeah before TTT wasn't used. Now it is ×3, cause it is good in the actual format.

@Ahloveyafuhso Год назад

honestly speaking ttt looks like either it was supposed to be in arc v or a rush duel card based on design.

@Kyle2551 Год назад

I love Dragoon. Even to this day, he is still a very strong boss monster. He absolutely dominated the OCG, and while I was in love with the idea of Dragoon as a Dark Magician fanboy, I was terrified of going up against him in the TCG. Then he finally dropped and...nothing really happened. By the time he came to the TCG, the game had moved into such a combo dominated format that Dragoon was just unnecessary to play. Add to that the TCG was given FAR more outs to Dragoon at this point, and the idea of sorely relying on Dragoon for your win condition proved to already be an out of date strategy once we finally got him. DPE did exactly what Dragoon was set up to do but failed miserably. Dragoon was an S tier boss with an F tier engine. DPE was an A tier boss with an A tier engine. From a deck building perspective, Dragoon is trash. Two level 7 vanillas and a fusion spell that locks you outta summoning anything else the turn you activate it is just far too debilitating to run for a lot of players as opposed to the DPE engine. I'm happy to see Dragoon is alive here in the TCG, again, Dark Magician player here. It was disappointing to see he was pretty much dead on arrival here, but that's modern Yugioh power creeped for ya.

@LeoCantus Год назад

Dark Magician player? A man of culture I see. I completely agree with your points here. On paper Dragoon is a great card but it's a shame he never got the opportunity he received in the ocg to shine but its fine. As a DM player myself I personally think it's probably for the best in its own deck though, the problem is relying on Dragoon like so many DM players insist on doing will be a big reason for the decks lack of competitive presence because like you said, relying on it as a boss monster is outdated. At best he's a Red Herring

@efrainlagunas Год назад

Hello fellow DM players, I agree the whole notion that Dragoon won you the game on its own completely underestimated the meta. Though to Dragoon's credit, or should I say Verte, that was the last time a DM deck topped a regional if my memory serves me right.

@Kyle2551 Год назад

@@LeoCantus oh for sure. DM needs quite the overhaul in terms of cards, cause Dragoon is pretty much the only real win condition we have at this point. And with Konami printing more and more outs to huge bosses like Goons, it's hard to get him to stick to the board.

@dylan9013 Год назад

Literally all I'm asking for is a Dark Magician Fusion spell (similar to Red-Eyes Fusion) so it's searchable off Rod. That would break the DM strategy. Timaeus the United Dragon tried that, and is slightly better now because of Illusion of Chaos, but we need that fusion spell!

@xakannax Год назад

I love Dragoon in Dark magician decks hes great! Its nice you can use Eye of Timaeus instead of Red Eyes fusion to avoid the risk of losing a turn NGL my favorited deck to run Dragoon in was fluffals because they really didnt have any negates otherwise and necro fusion allowed you to get 2 of them while still being good for other fusion summons (dog draws sheep into verte into dragoon was a nice line to start on) That actually why i hated the verte ban, it was clutch for fusion decks to extend into when out of gas (would've preferred to see Dragoon and DPE banned, or Red Eyes fusion and Fusion Destiny)

@BacktoBack_Daishō Год назад

I completely forgot it existed

@mischievous-shark6016 Год назад

While Dragoon was an overall flop in the tcg and I get why it didn't really see a lot of success, I can't lie. The card is just badass. A fusion of Dark Magician and Red Eyes? AND it is absolutely stacked with powerful effects? It sounds like a custom card or something straight out of the anime. Great video Cap!

@philithegamer8265 Год назад

LMAO! This card is just fanservice done right.

@zaep2791 Год назад

Was just wondering where ya been. Mega. Good to see you.

@don_mc_ron320 Год назад

I’d say that the main difference between dragoon, who was niche at best, and DPE, who contributed to the verte ban, was splashability. Although dragoon has great protection and good effects, the restrictions from its fusion spell and how useless its materials are meant that dpe was bound to replace it. TCG players were given the choice between a negate+effect destruction+burn damage with useless materials in the graveyard and a disruption+free monster+POT OF GREED. Unsurprisingly, they chose the latter.

@philithegamer8265 Год назад

And DPE had far better interactions with the other cards at your disposal like the Artofact Engine along with being able to go plus with it every turn, unlike Dragoon where you had to go minus 1 to activate its omni-negate, this isn't even bringing up the good Destiny HEROes having great effects when they hit the graveyard that alos make you go plus. DPE + Fusion Destiny + Verte offers way too much utility for so little cost.

@SaintMorselGrand Год назад

I use dragoon in my branded eldlich dogmatika deck using only a light hex sealed since it fits perfectly and has less bricks than regular dragoon engine

@darknova7863 Год назад

I love Dagoon but Konami needs to support Red-Eyes, it needs real good cards not cards that make every other deck good.

@exiaR2x78 Год назад

Dragoon is probably more of a DM card anyway, its a good card in a bad deck basically

@darknova7863 Год назад

@@exiaR2x78 agreed

@raisp6073 Год назад

it’s even more blatantly for Dark Magician since it’s the card needed, you don’t even have to use red eyes

@JABRIEL251 Год назад

DPE was far less bricky that REDD , while still having really good removal and repeatability.

@xakannax Год назад

thats largely due to the difference in the fusion spells tho, red eyes fusion literally bricks your turn if you get ashed when playing it from hand, fusion destiny does not. Has nothing to do with the fusions or garnet components (nobody is manually summoning dasher, i supposed sometimes you might play celestia?). Objectively Dragoon is much stronger than DPE if it didnt have that massive downside on Red Eyes Fusion

@Landgraf43 Год назад

And also gives more card advantage because of celestial

@RaxonXVI Год назад

I’m surprised it didn’t come earlier (the concept of the monster not it’s effects) a fusion of Dark Magician and Red Eyes Yugi and Joey’s monsters beat bros coming together just seems obvious to me

@catsorafgc Год назад

Well they’ve done the concept before(Black Skull Dragon and Dark Flare Knight). Dragoon was just so good that people talk about it more. Considering how much Konami loves Yugi and Joey, I wouldn’t be surprised if we got another fusion card just for Dragoon

@RaxonXVI Год назад

@@catsorafgc that’d be fun lol maybe someday we’ll also get a dark magician X blue eyes card and something for the rivals Yugi (or Atem) and Kaiba

@PanthalassaRo Год назад

Loved the Ippo reference at the very start!

@Aku9466 Год назад

I’ll always love Dark Magician and it’s many and varied support, and I’d still love to get a Dragoon for myself. It may not be as fearsome as it was in the OCG but it’s still fairly good and really cool. That’s all I need.

@blackmark2899 Год назад

With its price finally dropping into my price ranges, I definitely got 2 of them for my Dark Magician Deck.

@speedbump9299 Год назад

I bought one when they were down to $30 a long time ago.

@karlpitt8726 Год назад

Thanks for showcasing my replay on your channel

@otuanminh7376 Год назад

Also it is worth mentioning that when Dragoon was released in OCG, it's strongest variant (namely Dijinn-Lock Dragoon) was viable as "Dijinn Releaser of Rituals" was safe from the banlist. Also during that period, there weren't any Forbidden Droplet or Triple Tactics Talent there, combine with maxx C, Dragoon was extremely broken

@philithegamer8265 Год назад

Flatout cancer!

@dracompb966 Год назад

I definitely think having Maxx C in the format was a lot bigger for Dragoon than you gave it credit for. If they drop Maxx C on you, you can just make Anaconda and sit on a super hard to out Dragoon while giving the opponent minimal draws. Comparing it to the TCGs much faster pace where you don't have to worry about it, these combo decks can just make a bigger board with more monsters without the 2-3 bricks that hurt the consistency of any deck trying to incorporate it. Also good luck trying to push through an omni + a towers while your opponent draws for every play you make.

@Avermra Год назад

Yep, this is a huge one. Maxx C forces OCG players to have "middle ground" stop points and Dragoon is one of the best go-to for that. It's the same as Tearlaments in TCG today. Time Thief Redoer is one of the best cards for the OCG because it's a good stopping point, but you see most Tear decks dropping Redoer because it doesn't combo hard enough.

@phaseloli6668 Год назад

@@Avermra TCG lists never drop redoer, the card is good because it detaches for effect and let's you trigger tears on the opponents turn. They don't need middle grounds either, it's why halqifibrax got banned.

@andrepayne4349 Год назад

That's not a good argument when you need to hard draw Maxx C.

@JudojugsVtuber Год назад

@@andrepayne4349 Maxx C is at 3 in the OCG. Pretty easy to hard draw it in your opener. Same chances as opening ash or Imperm. Both of which are cards that single handedly stop entire archetypes from making it past rogue status.

@andrepayne4349 Год назад

@@JudojugsVtuber there's more cards that stop Maxx C than the 3 Maxx C you can play in the deck. And meta decks have plenty of space for it.

@Jessevibes Год назад

Crazy to pull a 15$ Dragoon nowadays when he used to be 100$ easy

@mfslacker5701 Год назад

What song you use in the background?! Is so smooth and chill

@thismemeswar3591 Год назад

Excellent vid as always!

@arthurporter131 Год назад

I haven’t played Yu Gi Oh since Glad Beasts and Lightsworn were the top decks, and now I’m far more interested in MtG - but you putting a Hajime No Ippo clip at the beginning of this video ensured I would watch the whole thing haha

@freman007 Год назад

In my Goukis REDD and Anaconda allowed me to add an omninegate to my opening board (which is somewhat hard to come by in a link deck), but it wasn't very useful after that.

@vaxienation6872 Год назад

Just started the video, but YOOO LETS GO IPPOOOOO

@michellemendoza8700 Год назад

Wow, I thought there was some glitch, I was literally watching that Hajime No Ippo scene before I stumble to your video. I thought the scene I was watching merged with your video I look several times to the title, description and comments to double check then I decided to record screen after that I saw the transition to yugioh then I realized that the boxing scene is part of your video.

@catalyst-uz6lz Год назад

i dont think dragoon was an issue for the high tier meta decks in the tcg but when u got to tier 2 or rogue decks it would be a game ender immediately to see it now its not an issue at all bc of how spright and tear raised the power ceiling for the game

@VladAngelOfDarkness Год назад

Wow. It only took 3 years to change your opinon on a broken card. Shows how fast paced the development for YuGi is.

@BiggiestayHoopin23 Год назад

Thank you for making this video! I remember when other Yugi tubers were saying Dragoon would wake the format, and it never did

@VladAngelOfDarkness Год назад

What does "wake the format" mean.? Unstale it.???

@thaddeusgenhelm8979 Год назад

@@VladAngelOfDarkness I assume it was "break the format" but there was a typo and an autocorrect error.

@hogunthegrim5464 Год назад

People also forget that anyone with a rank 4 toolbox and extra deck space can run Utopia The Lightning and run over it

@xakannax Год назад

they can negate the effect of Utopia the Lightning to gain attack during the damage step fwiw so youd have to bait it first (also dragoon gets 1000 atk per use so you have a narrow window) it is a good counter tho and every rank 4 XYZ deck should have that bc of shit like Dragoon and Chaos Max

@e-tan3911 Год назад

@@xakannax "If this card battles, your opponent cannot activate cards or effects until the end of the Damage Step." So no, Dragoon cannot negate Utopia the Lightning.

@SapphireKnight675 4 месяца назад

@@e-tan3911 that's why I use Lightning in my Master Duel decks

@LowellLucasJr. Год назад

I used Dragoon in my Twighlight Thunder Dragons deck. Got many great plays outta him and if I couldn't use his materials with Anaconda, no problem! I ran Allure of Darkness with Chaos Creator so they synergized well! Luckily Dragoon has a home with my Despias!

@xakannax Год назад

actual question how do you make dragoon consistently in despia (sounds spicey)? Albion and Lubellion both require you to have the materials in grave/field/ban to use, are you hard drawing Dark Magician / a fusion substitute to do this? or is there another card im not thinking of? (assuming Albaz is the dragon, but not sure how you get the "Dark Magician" part reliably)

@lukecwolf Год назад

Typically dragoon is cheated out with albaz or the hex replacing dark magician. The dragon effect monsters allows for some generic alcards

@lukecwolf Год назад

Dragoon is a late game card in those games. Helps achieve the win in the end game (unless you're under skill drain, which has happened in a few rounds i',ve been in )🙃

@shameronstar7220 Год назад

If anything it'll be a great promotional card for a future movie where Yugi and Joey tag team.

@YuseiTheSynchroHero Год назад

Even if people don't believe it "flopped", it DID ( _HOWEVER_ ) "underperform" unlike in the OCG when it released over there. People expected Dragoon to BASICALLY ruin the TCG but given the difference in product/card releases, it wouldn't QUITE pan out the same way. That's not to say Dragoon isn't an insane card. I'm pretty sure a lot of rogue strategies that didn't have a built in out HATED this card (and still do)

@worthywill9294 Год назад

Can confirm. Honestly, as a pure/plant eccentric rikka player dragoon is still a hassle But honestly, without verte it's w/e and I don't recall it seeing any play outside of the intended decks until people remembered verte was a card. When dragoon really started taking off DPE was around the corner, *(Thanks alot for that verte, making it painful to play D-heroes)* and dpe ENGINE better than dragoon ENGINE TL;DR. Dragoon under delivered versus actually flopped and the real star for both monsters was *verte* (fuck verte, won't be missed)

@darkdestroyer4228 Год назад

It didn't. Covid flopped a lot of cards and deck though. Cause of that decks and cards flopped, but not them themselves, cause people can't play them when they was locked in their house. Your right about it not being such a big case though, we get a lot of out now, but, well that the same for all cards lol.

@e-tan3911 Год назад

@@darkdestroyer4228 Covid was not the reason Dragoon flopped. By the time it was released remote duel YCS' were already in full swing, and fan made online events were going on as well. Even in those events, Dragoon underperformed.

@biobroly9324 Год назад

If the legendary dragons ever get a searcher then Dragoon could become meta again

@zacharyjames4121 Год назад

Seeing that we got DPE recently, I wonder if we will get a super version of the stardust/archfiend. Kind of like the direction they take with super Boss monsters from protagonist.

@andrejv.2834 Год назад

Dpe has nothing to do with jaden, the gx protagonist

@RockBlocked Год назад

A new MegaCapitalG TCG video? Work be damned, count me in.

@Sfmmcell Год назад

Hey man, this is a long shot but you should make a video on like the duelingnetwork 2014ish era where the top rated duels were peaking at like 200-300 live watchers (i remember i use to watch you “bigsnax” using bujins and was top 10). You probably have old vods of top players duels from that time and it would be cool since i loved watching players like you, n3sh, 902, jurdinator, gigabear, masik333 duel during that era

@MegaCapitalG Год назад

I got you fam ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Kj-RCr8-W2M.html

@thatnerdjake Год назад

I just play Master Duel and I'm blown away that this card is banned in the game yet Chaos Max Dragon is allowed.

@e-tan3911 Год назад

Chaos Max does nothing on the board. Does it have a lot of attack? Yes. Does it have good protection? Yes. But the fact that it effectively does nothing on your turn while you set up a multitude of ways to get around it makes the card simply bad in most scenarios. What does Chaos Max do going first? Sit there while you summon Mirrorjade or Zeus and just blow it up. At least Dragoon comes with a negate to have some form of interaction.

@CountofBleck Год назад

For those confused about why dragoon is a failure when its so strong, remember this is talking on the competitive level in a 2 of 3 format, not randoms turboing it out in simulators in a best of one.

@janithernest3929 Год назад

Also to be more specific were talking more on the TCG side

@joshcavins1477 Год назад

It's still a game ending card

@patrickbrennan4853 Год назад

flop meaning it did not live up to expectations as well. We thought we would have to stop playing the game until it got banned tbh, it just seemed so scary before it was dropped in tcg.

@andrepayne4349 Год назад

@@joshcavins1477 no

@joshcavins1477 Год назад

@@andrepayne4349 yes it is if it is backed up by other cards yes it is

@Emperor.H Год назад

I just wanna use him in Red-Eyes decks on master duel. I love the card and everything about it.

@dcstratocaster 11 месяцев назад

He shows up alot in Branded Despia now, so a bit less of a flop.

@doyouevendab77 4 месяца назад

I was toadally saying the same thing 😅

@CasualKing21 Год назад

Lol I think this is a sign from the universe that I need to do my yearly rewatch of Hajime no Ippo 🤣🤣

@joshuatorres7766 Год назад

Honestly by the time we got it, the format changed and we got outs (i.e. droplet and tactics) that the ocg didn't have.

@BiigiieCheeese Год назад

Didn't help that DPE was going to be released within a year and Fusion Destiny has zero downsides unlike Red-Eyes Fusion. If Fusion Destiny was just as restrictive I highly doubt most decks would have played DPE over Dragoon. And both engines only saw wide stream play because Verte allowed degenerative strategy like that.

@philithegamer8265 Год назад

DPE would still be better because it gives you far better followups than Dragoon.

@SaberWolf94 Год назад

Great video man. Question is though how much more broken cards are gonna get? To me it seems like there's at least 1000 cards that look like they were made on yugioh card maker.

@andrejv.2834 Год назад

Probably not much, that's why every meta deck since 2017 still has cards on the banlist

@xakannax Год назад

how else are you gonna sell new cards if you dont print newer and more busted archetypes and boss monsters? (and or ban the old ones)

@e-tan3911 Год назад

@@andrejv.2834 Hell, when one of those decks got even 1 of their boss monster back, it got rebanned almost immediately(Zoodiac).

@ibukigoesbrr6081 Год назад

guys i have a question, If i use summoner of illusions effect to summon dark dragoon, will it get destroyed at the end of the turn?

@pdvaughn1415 Год назад

What's the track playing throughout this video?

@asdf852asdf Год назад

Maybe is because i never got to play on a format where dragoon was available, but right now would it really be as annoying as DPE, Baroness or the other dozens negate monsters that are played on whatever deck they can fit in?

@griffen121 Год назад

Wish redeyes got a huge overhaul to make the deck better so you can use it with dragoon like it was intended

@screwtokaiba Год назад

3 mins to the video "Did Dragoon need that effect too?" Turns out Yes, thats unironically actually its best effect lmao

@runningoncylinders3829 Год назад

DPE outshined Dragoon. For as overtuned and aggressive Dragoon had been, DPE having that revival removal is what I'd say is the more valuable effect. Verte is totally the problem card the same way I'd say Bahamut Shark as the Toad enabler is broken the same way Ptolemaeus got banned so long ago for giving any deck CDI. Insane bosses are fine... in bad decks, is a neat idea.

@EnviousWorm1532 Год назад

Dragoon was crazy for a time, but that time happened to be around the halting of paper play caused by covid. There were reasonable arguments made why DPE wad worse than Dragoon -- those arguments just were proved wrong almost immediately. And now with Verte gone, Dragoon is an afterthought best left to more casual DM and REBD decks

@darkdestroyer4228 Год назад

You said it all friend. The only card, as I competitive player, I was afraid for a time was vfd. New I'm only worried about my draw, cause mystic mine rules again and it is easy to out but we need the card in the hand at the right moment lol (or have a possibility to get the same number as the opponent, which is not difficult too though)

@donellebullock7404 Год назад

Until Branded Fusion comes to play.

@darkdestroyer4228 Год назад

Well for a expensive card (still 15$ here with the mp22 reprint) and a very used cards before red eyes fusion ban it really doesn't look like a flop lol.

@darkdestroyer4228 Год назад

@@asimhussain8716 I play at competitive condition, I didn't need casual noob for know what is what kiddo. And no I didn't look at it more than 10sec, cause I don't need it :) youtube just get random shit when switching, well random video after I watch one of the european champion one, and that one was stupid. And yeah, being at 15-80$ and being in the top 10 of selling cards (no stupid collector buyers in the site) don't mean anything, yes sure genious, and they did ban anaconda verte only for dpe which is still used in contrario of dragoon lol.

@zaneandrews4700 Год назад

You got a great voice for for videos man.

@radthepaisley Год назад

pardon me, just gonna preemptively like the video

@eeveemaster8902 Год назад

dragoon in cyber dragon was pretty lit, in adventure format, that card, lagit won me games, i still run dragoon in branded as a burn option

@rinkujoka232 Год назад

I don't think its a flop... The fact that we banned it in the OCG due to his annoying negates and kinda likea big beater (yes i know dpe package is better thanks to celestial and dpe being a floating removal) so he did his job well

@andrepayne4349 Год назад

There were already so many outs to it before it released, it's not worth banning. Thats why OCG lost some credibility for me. And Ocg barely played super strong decks like adamancipator with halq and block dragon. Maxx C is not an excuse.

@rinkujoka232 Год назад

@@andrepayne4349 adamancipators isn't really a big "threat" in OCG... that time Orcust were dominant... And we main deck D.D. Crow so even if rocks got the early combo once they dump block dragon in GY... Bye bye

@darkdestroyer4228 Год назад

Well they banned red eyes fusion in tcg, this was only for getting dragoon less used (and that work as we never really see it again in tournament, even in locals). The "so easy to out lol" argument that other say is absolutly absurd, every cards is easy to out now, we just need the right card in hand at the good moment, like for dragoon, mystic mine, dpe, vfd, avramax (even coupled with ip masquerena), beelzeus (which is not even used anymore but was considered overpowered in the past lol) ect, saying that about a specific card is a casual-player argument, which is so not a real one as it is the same for everything. Dragoon from the mp22 is still in top selling though at 15$ (and I remember at his begining, when it cost 70$, then 50, and didn't go more down than 40 before this reprint)

@andrepayne4349 Год назад

@@darkdestroyer4228 I dont know why you're only talking about cards you need to hard draw, but there's also a billion extra deck cards that easily out Dragoon. So it was powercrept before it was even released. Definitely a flop.

@andrepayne4349 Год назад

@@rinkujoka232 TCG considers adamancipator with block dragon and halq to be the best deck in the history of this game so far. According to road of the king Ocg even played nerfed Zoodiac decks over adamancipator when linkross was legal, which is insane.

@rubberduckie5518 Год назад

Dragoon is power crept in TCG right now. Droplet, talents, Zeus, IDP, Spright smashers, mystic mine, etc get around it to name a few.

@G.G556 Год назад

Missed ya last Thursday and Saturday cap see you soon

@shadowspector3611 Год назад

When are we going to get Blue-Eyes Dark Dragoon?

@jokerofmorocco Год назад

Do you think Dragoon can come back in the OCG?

@deuntaethomas7437 Год назад

I didn't know that dragoon was so old. I remember the hype. Sad it didn't get to be meta defining here like it was in the ocg. Two different worlds of potency

@juans8356 Год назад

I haven't played yugioh in years but this was in my recommended. I loved the red eyes black dragon cards but this seems a bit too much

@MegaCapitalG Год назад

RU-vid algorithm op. Consider checking out some of my other videos !

@harryc657 Год назад

Dragoon now found a home in dedicated Dark Magician decks. He's stupid easy to summon in the archtype, and he acts like a came closer or a plan B. :)

@boolin4099 5 месяцев назад

THANK YOU, SOMEONE WITH A BRAIN!!! Literally all you need is Timeus, being an effect dragon and having an effect to fusion using itself, use itself and DM to fusion into dragoon, it's piss easy LMAOOO

@nightingaleseraph Год назад

dragoon had its time with verte, but once that was banned it became a card that required a specific spell and 2 garnets.

@miguelito029 Год назад

The question is, would have Dragoon dropped in use if not for DPE coming out immediately after REDD? 🤔

@e-tan3911 Год назад

It was never used in the first place, so yes, it would have. Seriously, only topping TCG lists using Dragoon were Drytron lists, who used it as a small plan b in case they got droll'd. That's it.

@Moshuun Год назад

I still like this card. Works well with my HEROs.

@bairsensei7496 Год назад

Just wait got a spicy dragoon deck that I feel could actually be competitive

@jimtsap04 Год назад

Honestly even without the trash materials and fusion spell required dragoon was pretty mediocre as a standalone boss monster due to how many outs to it exist in today's meta, and not just "draw the out" style outs that make people hate mystic mine and other floodgates but easily accessible boss monsters both archetypal as well as generic ones(looking at you accesscode). Even when branded fusion was revealed and gave dragoon a much better way to summon it people quickly realised it was just not worth it and shifted their focus back to mirrorjade. It could highkey be unbanned tomorrow in master duel and people wouldn't bat an eye, the funniest thing is people would probably only use it as branded in high spirits fodder in shaddoll or witchcrafter as it's the only spellcaster target for now that we don't have master of chaos.

@JudojugsVtuber Год назад

it annoys me that dragoon isn't legal in MD because I play loads of midrange decks that would LOVE to sit on Dragoon. Or even some of my control decks like traptrix could make good use of the card.

@janithernest3929 Год назад

@@JudojugsVtuber once verte gets banned in MD then dragoon can comeback

@JudojugsVtuber Год назад

@@janithernest3929 Lmao dragoon doesn't need verte to be banned to come back. If dpe can exist than Dragoon can exist.

@xakannax Год назад

@@JudojugsVtuber both card are incredibly toxic, neither is good for the game in a BO1 format both should be on ban list. Its a huge blessing Dragoon is not avail kinda hoping they ban DPE too and keep verte, would be nice to have it legal somewhere since its a based fusion support card that got abused by meta decks purely because DPE and Dragoon exist

@boolin4099 5 месяцев назад

"Red eyes fusion required" literally any card like timeus which is an effect dragon that can use its own effect to fusion into dragoon is typing lol

@otangakudyokeman7124 Год назад

I am sorry CapG, but saying that Dragoon is a flop is very insulting, and I disagree. (Worth to note I am just 1 min in the video and I prefer to write my comment now) I know it is for TCG, but Dragoon was format wreckking in OCG land, I dare you to go check how the format was back then, every single deck was playing the package with anaconda. to a point where OCG limited anaconda, REF AND Dragoon. The card is definitely not a flop, the fact we got it late is what made it "powercrept" plus the non existance of Maxx"c" over here. and even tho, Dragoon was very relevant when it was release, not as OCG but it definitely made an impact and I do remmeber people put it on their list, ban list prediction back then (no one was considering anaconda as a problematic card) what really damaged dragoon, is the fact we got it late AND that we got AFTER droplet was released x\ Droplet is a boss killer, the card manages to kill any boss monster (except the unaffected ones) and for me, it changed the game as much as the promo of 2020 mega tins (the nibiru ones). droplet, lightning storm, ruler all this card allowed us to shift into a new era of YGO. so, I feel it is too disrespectful to say that Dragoon is a flop while there was way worse than him plus the card is still good, I am confident it will raise again. (friendly reminder, REF is THE worst fusion spell that ever existed, imagine this card being released after shaddoll fusion lmao, it is just sad how Konami are "racist" toward the deck)

@crimsonshadow1477 Год назад

I wouldn't call dragoon a flop...they just brought out something more splashable in the form of dpe...also red-eyes fusion isn't the greatest card considering it shuts off your special summon for the rest of the turn...vs destiny fusion which just nukes the monster summoned after the next turn

@blackmark2899 Год назад

Red Eyes Fustion was far more restrictive. Only if you used it with Anaconda would effect apply for the rest of the turn. If you raw activated that card, you didn't summon for the entire turn. Before or after the card's activation. So if that effect was negated, you just couldn't summon for the rest of your turn.

@crimsonshadow1477 Год назад

@@blackmark2899 anaconda stopped you special summoning for the rest of the turn as well but you could get around the "cannot summon anything else at all" part of red-eyes fusion...which to be fair was I believe the first fusion card that could use materials from deck (either red-eyes or shaddoll had that first if I'm remembering right), imo it needs a retrain to be more modern friendly and if they do that then it would definitely be a viable boss monster for red-eyes and maybe even meta viable

@blackmark2899 Год назад

@@crimsonshadow1477 that's...what I just typed in the previous post.

@1Joseplaysgames Год назад

I’m just happy using it in my branded deck

@AlphaEspadaChannel Год назад

Oh the number of duels I lost BECAUSE of Dragoon, hate him with a passion alongside Ash Blossom.

@noahcharles2571 Год назад

He's not a flop he was specifically meant to be used in the red eyes deck in the red eyes deck he is a very good Expendable card that allows graveyard setup but in every other deck he is a hand eater

@DragonAlchemist0 Год назад

Best way I heard yugioh explained to me recently. The point of the game of yugioh is to know how to break the game. Meaning all the rules have no point if the game allows you to break it and create ridiculous and unfair board states.

@alialluaibi3008 Год назад

I honestly want a fusion between Dark Magician and Blue Eyes to be just as powerful if not more powerful ! I don't care if it get band immediately, it needs to be just that good !

@paulskiye6930 Год назад

Blue eyes, brilliant dragoon xD

@NitroNEXT Год назад

Wouldn't really make sense from a story standpoint or in terms of synergy. A Dragon Master Knight retrain might work as BLS did previously have a fusion with it, and it's the more equal rival to Blue Eyes. It just needs to be easier to summon.

@RisingJericho 20 дней назад

7:36 ...yo, wait, hold up a second. You mean to tell me that Vanity's Emptiness was still legal in the OCG in 2019? ...I think Dragoon was more a symptom of their poor balancing than anything.

@exodiabros3596 Год назад

Great explanation man!

@SirGrimly Год назад

ngl, it feels weird that a card that is banned in the OCG is effectively unplayable in the TCG, but that is just how regional cookie crumbles lol

@FabulouslyTerrifyingEnt Год назад

The main thing this video taught me was that players don't like when a game is fair. And will only use cards that can't be stopped.

@kevinboudreaux7860 8 месяцев назад

I just don’t think any boss monster would be that scary unless it can’t be tributed. In a world where Kailu, sphere mode and lava golem are a thing, boss monsters just don’t seem particularly scary……..

@pickyphysicsstudent201 Год назад

Dragoon on it's own was not much of a problem because dedicating your whole deck to a boss Monster Turbo has, historically, never worked out. Dragoon was mainly an issue when paired with other threats such as negations, interruptions and floodgates. It made combo decks much more threatening but this was at the time where there was a wide range of going second cards, which could either break boards or stop them from combo-ing off. DPE was more fashionable because it was a more versatile Monster which allowed for some recursion for a grind game. It's garnets weren't as bad as DM Vanillas and Fusion Destiny wasn't the worst thing to draw compared to Red-Eyes Fusion. Quickplay Scrap Dragon wasn't broken but on top of everything else, it could just add that little push more.

@alex_zetsu Год назад

I mean Dragoon actually has a negation built into it, if only that negation discarded for effect instead of cost it would be more useful. I've only been in casual games since 2017 and haven't seen a tournament in ages, but while getting stuck with parts of your engine and not being able to bring Dragoon is bad, I think it's pretty good if you manage to bring it out. If you can bring it out and set Imperial Iron Wall, Recall, and Mind Crush, I think your chances of winning are probably greater than 30 to 1 if you have at least 6000 LP and more LP than your opponent and at least 7 to 1 in other cases you get Dragoon out. But most engines that can turbo Dragoon out are thin on backrow. This kind of reminds me of Number C88: Gimmick Puppet Disaster Leo. If you can get that thing out with 3 good backrow cards, you've probably won (your opponent will likely be burned to death before the instant win effect). But most Gimmick Puppet decks can't turbo out the base form Leo and have backrow left unless oyu have more than 40 cards in the deck, which runs into consistency problems.

@johnathanlemus5584 Год назад

Or that dragoon flopped because TCG players actually play boardbreakers because no maxx c unlike the OCG.

@Zetact_ Год назад

"Dedicating your whole deck to a boss Monster Turbo has, historically, never worked out." but that's basically every deck If you mean one specific monster then, uh... TeleDAD?

@heretopissyouoff8439 Год назад

So could we get him master duel now??????

@tzford Год назад

Obviously you didn’t play it in a Drytron deck which could get Dragoon with no issues.

@757gamerguy2 Год назад

I use dragoon in my Branded Tear deck. He still insanely powerful and only uses 1 brick. I use Keeper if Dragon magic and Albaz to help bring out dragoon and combo with Albaz to bring out mirrorjade as well

@xakannax Год назад

how are you filling the "Dark Magician" requirement to summon Dragoon? running a substitute? (im not sure how youd get either on field or in gy reliably, have been toying with running king of swamp since you can discard it at any time if you happend to draw it but curious what you are using)

@danielhughes6556 Год назад

@@xakannax You can use the light hex-seal to substitute dark magician while also being able to send it with branded fusion, or use it if it is discarded by the tears.

@xakannax Год назад

@@danielhughes6556 oh so you toss it with branded for a summon of albion then banish it? thats dope ty never thought of that line

@exiaR2x78 Год назад

I feel like cause it came out in the covid era then by the time things got back to normal DPE was out. It was a really strong splashable boss monster but didnt really have its time with in person tournaments. Its a good boss monater for DM deck now that verte is gone

@kiraxbara456blitz6 Год назад

now give us blue eyes light dragoon

@Jadenforeverything Год назад

Am just here to say i love you CapitalG , i hope your having a great day

@yusheitslv100 Год назад

The dpYGO and TheCaliEffect [King of Games] clips cought me off guard.

@AdHocWholius Год назад

The exact problem with Dragoon alone was just how bloated the card was, the actual problem was (and arguably still is) Verte anaconda. If Dragoon was more accessible like the build of Branded Despia that could summon it, it would be entirely broken. Though really, the underlying problem of Yu-Gi-Oh is the powercreep where an untargetable, indestructible, negating beatstick is now considered unviable.

@xakannax Год назад

Verte wasnt actually the real problem tho, the problem was 1 card fusion spells that let anyone splash Dragoon, DPE etc into their decks with verte (Although DPE is still played because Fusion Destiny has no downside to cast from hand unlike Red Eyes Fusion). And cards like Dragoon and DPE being printed that are so strong every single deck wants to run them. Verte by itself was an extremely based card for fusion decks that let you extend through negates and activate your fusion spells from deck if needed. It was really unfortunate the card got banned it lead to some great plays. If they had instead banned Dragoon and DPE (or Red Eyes Fusion and Fusion Destiny) the card really wouldnt be used outside of fusion decks as a top support card (unless maybe you run super poly)

@jvsonic2468 Год назад

Red-Eyes Black Dragon specifically would need to get the same Level of support as Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes White Dragon, but Konami keeps shitting on the card and never gave him that support. To me if that happens, there would be some type of Deck that will have Dragoon be a surprise factor and you would just need either Nib, DRNM, Forbidden Droplets still but you would have have give up a bunch of cards,, Divine Incarnate (newly released), and those are just a few that counters a ridiculous board with Dragoon. Konami wouldn't powercreep Red-Eyes Fusion due to Red-Eyes in general getting recent support in the OCG that involves the Fusion Spell, so the next best thing is something like Muddy Mudragon, Invocation, Necro Fusion, Ultra Poly, or even Fallen of Albaz as it's a Dragon Effect Monster that can be used as material for Dragoon; however, Super Poly is the better option if your not a combo deck.

@xakannax Год назад

Dark Magician Decks have Eye of Timaeus to summon Dragoon with no downside fwiw, but you right actual red eyes decks are boned due to Red Eyes Fusion being so incredibly bad for you when ashed Necro fusion is really good option if you can GY a dragon and a dark magician/fusion substitute card in any deck (provided the deck uses fusions anyway so its not dead otherwise) Toss king of the swamp or something in red eyes it could work

@ora5799 Год назад

I mean its still a solid pick in branded, and has definitely one me a few games thanks to the burn effect against punk variants and close out some other matches but its definitely an exterio esque card where its almost never going to see play in its actual archetype.

@GodKiller97 Год назад

I wouldn’t say it’s a flop. It has other ways to be summoned than its native fusion spell (DPE can only really be hard summoned since Anaconda no longer is an avenue), and in some matchups a single negation can win games. Marinecess Anemone negation is pretty pivotal in that matchup, Branded Fusion, and sometimes even against Tearlaments the single negation can be enough depending on mills or their hand. It’s also insane against any control deck and is basically the single best card against Sky Striker, any MM deck, and Eldlich