Fairy Type RUINED Ice Type... 

The opening of this goes so hard

I just love ice moves as a category in any RPG. The fact that ice types suck so much in Pokemon is depressing

I think that ice should resist just like, one more thing. I get it's meant to be the glass cannon type but as of right now it's way too much glass and not nearly enough cannon, y'feel?

Ur rage is literally how I feel about bug type. JUSTICE FOR ALL THE ICY LITTLE GUYS AND THE BUGGY LITTLE GUYS!!

JUSTICE FOR CREAMTOWN!!!

In gen 8 I hit top 500 on smogon ladder with a team 4 ice types. One of them was Vanilluxe and I’m not joking

eiscue is a penguin

Ice is such a fun type to use, and it's got a ton of the unique mechanics that can help a type thrive, like its own status and weather. Frankly, I don't think removing one of its weaknesses would be a good change, it would actually be too powerful if it lost its Steel or Rock weaknesses. What I would like to see is maybe it resisting another type, or even two more. My personal pick would be Ground, though I think Grass would be much more thematically fitting. As it stands, Ice just has no defensive strengths (resisting only itself is ridiculous), and it's really only useful in move coverage on non-ice types.

Make fairy week to ice and ice resist fairy. Have ice just be neutral to water because yes it freezes it, but does freezing water really hurt the water? But have ice resist water. Keep the rock weakness because I like that they are both weak to each other. I think that’s a better balance for all types involved

I still really dislike that Ice is basically pigeonholed into being a glass cannon type when the fighting type exists and it gets 5 super eff coverage instead of ice's 4 and is actually a good defense type with only 2 weaknesses and 3 resistance, meanwhile Ice types get the single worst defensive type bar none.

11:40 competitively in gen 5 that was the exact problem, people were stacking their teams with dragon types because they were really strong and countered other dragon types and the existing Ice types were completely unable to keep them in check, thus leading to the reason why fairy type exist.

YESSS! I LOVEE ICE TYPES SM, THEY DESERVE BETTER

As anice type enjoyer i still must disagree here a bit. The thing is, if you consider actual performance of ice types in years right before introducton of fairies was abysmal, and 90% of time you had ice coverege move on actual good type pokemon like water, and even then in competitive Draco Meteor spam and dragons in general where unstoppoble, ice types where so bad that even in a time where dragons everywhere ice type was nowhere to be seen (besides mamoswine sometimes) They instead fixed ice type in Gen 9 with reworked hail and new strong ice types