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since you claim to be schooled in the study of consciousness, psychology, and trying to understand thinking, why don't you look at what Billy Meier has said about the subjects as these are a large part of his "mission?" Meier has a whole flow chart on the various forms of consciousness, the unconscious, the subconscious, the central consciousness... he even goes into detail about the material vs spiritual consciousness forms... Meier has GONE way beyond what conventional, mainstream psychology have done... I dare you to check it out
After looking at some alternative facts regarding this whole story, and posting same to this site, your only response is to delete the post. IMHO this entire fable is totally lacking in merit. I have listened to some very interesting podcasts presented by Jeffrey Mishlove but I now feel that his views lack any kind of intellectual integrity and undeserving of my precious time.
Such an elegant, eloquent and open minded lady! Brits said something that is profound, the endless possibilities that interaction with “aliens” would have for humanity!
It would be a long time in coming before we ever can truly converse with those whom Billy is speaking to in a conversational manner. However, these wonderful folk may not be the only ones here that are foreign to the modern human being, for there are five more groups who observe us, yet in truth cannot be described as those like whom Billy speaks with, but are more in line to our own form of reckoning by our consciousness level, albeit with technologies far above our own that we see and name their vehicles as flying saucers. These five groups are just as human as any of us, yet we may be surprised by their appearance and features, for those we can only describe them by would be what we have so far seen in our screens and tv's, in movies and in television series.
I'd call myself a believer-skeptic when it comes to UFOs. And Billie Meier doesn't pass the smell test. His photos are actually kinda pathetic. Many happens to be taken directly in front of our just adjacent to a tree. Also, it begs the question, why so coy with the photos? He evidently had direct contact with these beings, so why are their craft always taken at a distance? Just give us one nice close up so we can really kick the tires on one these things. (sigh....)
And...that TV show where were the supose pleiadian woman in their ship and it was just two models on a TV show..? Why this one us not adressed and explain in this video or in the other videos ? I mean why in first place the interviewr doesn t ask for this one? And in other videos with other interviewers they dont even ask for thay obbious one? They all ask for other Red flags, but this one..Nope...nothong..no one...are they then agreed before doing the interview what will be the questions and what not? So it serms..it is quite obvious when you see along the many videos no one ask this one??? Why ???? And on another hand, she expressed about being more curious which sounds good, but she herself was skeptic and she and her husband were there to debunk Billy , so why people should believe her ? She comprobed herself to be authentic, but the rest of us we cannot really comprobe it..or test it by ourselves. And we have to just trust her and take her word for truth ?? That s the problem with qll of this...that you still has to depend on the words of other about it, about it s authenticity or not.. she is clearly advocatinfñg for Billy , but what are really her reasons for it? It could perfectly be a personal gain..we dont know, we cannot know...these documentación, it only makes sense to her and her husband .. only she knows if its true or not..but the rest..we cannot know with that certainty..and those photos can be tricked /faked no matter what she says..because those analysis only she knows for sure if they are true or not..and definitiva or not...even at thay time faking photos was posible...thoguht I admit that it serms plausible to me that Billy was a Simple person ..or maybe not...who knows? He was in the military I think...so maybe he had some good adquired skills and abilities and he could trick the whole technical thing... Bit still, I can believe her response, it sounds quite convincing and natural. But..that ussue of the TV show...that has not been explained or even put in the table by any interviewer...and that for me is a huge Red Flag... I would like and LOVE that the so called pleiadians of Billy were real... I really would love it...but... And another point is that Pleiades Dont seem to me a plausible or suitable place for the development of life in such sport apunta of time.. I reales somewhere thay it seems they are not really from Pleidies...but more from wjay I woudl understand as a paralel universe...that woudl explain to me the dimeional or frequencial difference with us...if someone May explain this bettwr to me or to us I would appreciate a lot. In anycase, sone themes and the whole story sounds so beautiful...I am really in a dilema of love.🩵.yep
Did he called himself.that? Was that really so? I odnt know what to believe sometimes, as we human beings are so accusative and difamatory, but I t woudn t suprise me at this point that that woudl be the case..
How marvellous - I was fascinated by the Light Years book over 30 years ago in my teens but had since assumed the case had been debunked… so it’s great to see this interview! many thanks
If people want to take Billie’s time why shouldn’t they pay for his time and his hospitality, and respect his boundaries? This was an interesting interview, thank you.
When researched, Dr. Jonathan Reed's case is also quite believable. It has extensive evidence as well. And it is flatly discounted by so many dull-witted skeptics.
The first time I heard about UFOs was in the early sixties in Basel, Switzerland, while I did my apprenticeship as a lab technician. One of our teachers was easily digressed from the dull stuff he had to teach us and told us stories about UFO encounters. Adamski was en vogue at the time, but not very credible even then. On the other hand, there was a story of an italian engineer who, while holidaying in the Alps, saw and photographed a "flying saucer"-like craft which had landed on a glacier, and a human-like figure in a astronaut-style spacesuit standing beside. By the way of that teacher I got the address of a then elderly lady (Lou Zinsstag) lving nearby who was in posession of some material relating to the case of that Italian. After I had meekly approached her, she showed me some of those photographs. She also gave me some information which I assume had come her way from a contactee. It was too complicated for a young lad like me to understand, but one item I recall was that the element bismuth played a role in that UFOs function. About 20 years later I had travelled to Sydney, AUS with my young family. There of all places by chance we came across an exhibition, high up in one of the new highrise buildings in downtown Sydney, of the Billy Meier story, complete with larges colour photographs. What makes me wonder to this day is: why had I to travel half way around our planet to learn about Billy Meier, and had never heard anything about his story while I was living within 100 km from where he lived? The "many worlds" interpretation of Quantum Mechanics has gained renewed interest lately. Sometimes I tend to think that people literally switch from one world to another one, some by accident, some under guidance and some at will. May be this is the way interstellar travel happens? It could also be the solution to many misterious "hide-and-seek" games.
I have read through all the comments. There is obvious ignorance of many aspects of the case, and I understand the reasoning behind the opinions. I first came across the Billy Meire case in 1989. The original photo book on a coffee table. Mind blowing, but for me, it was too good to be true, and I walked away. But I kept coming back. Long story short, 35 years later, having consumed and analyzed much of the information and evidence, to me, and for my benefit only, there can be no doubting the veracity and validity of the case. If the case was a hoax, it would have faded long ago. I think it would be correct to say, that the primary purpose of the Beamship photos and the Plejaran contacts, is to attract people to the case, so as to re-educate and awaken "earth humans", to the true nature and reality of the human being, human history, and the laws of creation, which are in complete conflict with accepted earth based religions and belief systems. I was surprised this wasn't mentioned in some detail in the video. I'm not here to convince anyone. This is my personal journey, and you have yours.
Indeed, reaching the point of open Contact requires a collective reverence for all life, whether different or similar. It is hoped that we are nearing the critical mass necessary for a tipping point towards a Star Trek-like future, where joining the Galactic Community becomes possible. My thanks to everyone at New Thinking Allowed and Mrs. Elder for sharing this enlightening conversation; it has clarified several aspects of the Meier case for me, which I have always believed to be true. No one is perfect, I don't see why people try to dismiss the amazing evidence because the contactee is human just as they.
Once i heard billy say he is the only one they make contact with i knew he was full of it. Not only did his ex wife say he was a fraud his son said it too.
Brit Elders spent all that time living with Billy (a year altogether she stated) and never personally witnessed anything directly herself, case closed.
One of the problems I have with this story concerns these supposed aliens from the Pleiades. The Pleiades are very young stars relative to the age of Earth . Earth is a bout 4.5 billion years old while the stars of the Pleiades are only about 100 million years old.
@@Peter_Godman1 Just a question I’ve had since I read about Meier in the 70s. Since it took so long after the creation of the sun, then the planets, then for our planet to cool and be able to support life, then for life to evolve, then intelligent life to evolve, it seems like a question that should be answered. I think there are some interesting things about his story that I can see be true, but the Pleiades age question bothers me and I’d like to have an answer.
@@davidkeller6156 Age and time are Not always indicative of the rate at which a species evolves...A planet or system could be comparatively younger than ours yet its species infinitely more evolved in that given time... in a microcosmic sense, you can see even in the span of a human lifetime, those who evolve painfully slow and those who progress at an astounding rate in their mental, emotional and spiritual evolution....so it is on the Macrocosmic scale as well..
@@skip741x3 I understand that. But from what we know of planet formation and how our own planet evolved over time to support even basic life, 100 million years is nothing. Perhaps there are older stars in that general area of space around the Pleiades. I actually thought the Meier case was pretty compelling when I read the book.
It's great to hear Brit talk about this case, as I heard quite a bit about it in the early 1990s when I lived with Jim D., and often visited with Wendelle. Kal K. was a real thorn in the side of the investigators, and it seemed like his book was designed to discredit them as much as possible. Plenty of controversy, but I agree with Brit that the initial photos and contact experiences were legit.
One of the Billy Meier images is of "The Wedding Cake" ufo, at night, with a 1974 chevy malibu in the foreground. The Chevy is a 1/24th scale AMT Model kit, car. The Wedding Cake ufo consists of the Plastic Lid from a 5 Gallon bucket with a built up superstructure of ball bearings and other neat stuff, all spray-painted metallic. Now? This does not remove any of the Veracity of The Billy Meier story. He did these things it would seem deliberately to create doubt, as a shroud, and diversion from unwanted attention from a global audience?
A nonsensical comment in view of the real, detailed analyses of the craft, such as in the 74 page "Rahl Zahi’s Analysis Report on the WCUFO” and the obvious, self-debunking "The Billy Meier UFO Case: Now You Can Prove It to Yourself” and the evidence-rich info linked from "The Singularly Authentic Billy Meier UFO Case”. Of special value is "Reference Page for: NASA Discoveries Confirm UFO Case Real”. The work done by Brit and Lee Elders, Wendell Stevens, Jim Diletosso and the rest of their team is of unequalled importance in bringing these singularly authentic, still ongoing UFO contacts to humankind.
How does that not affect his credibility? Or the photo of The Golddiggers (from a 60s American variety TV show) passed off as aliens? Boggle threshold surpassed.
Tip off that photos are fake is they are clear shots which UFOs never are when they are powered up. Should be fuzzy with fringing or gravitational lensing phenomena.
most people don't understand what "religion" is... the root of the term means to bond, typically to the decree of some authority who can range from a God to a salesperson... so religion polarizes a human to an ideology making him dependent... Meier is a planetary expert on religion since his whole mission involves warning against it and teaching that God and other supernatural do not exist.. this is his decades and decades of expertise along with the ETs interest in stopping religion on Earth and elsewhere... when you consider Meier's extensive writings; and his whole mission to warn humanity, for researchers to call Meier's mission, writings, people who live with him, fans, outside group members, etc. a religion means that one has ignored what Meier is doing, ignored doing any research, and are coming from lazy skeptical or professional opposition... in my experience, most of the cult like or religious behavior that comes from some of the people involved, which has been called out by Meier, usually involves a learning curve or machination... the SMALL amount of "red flags" can easily be attributed to professional interference given decades of damning information about leaders, govts, military, pandemics etc. that Meier is also famous for...
Great video.. I don’t think anyone should be worshipped and I know Billy wouldn’t want that to happen. The Goblet Of Truth will explain this plan as day. It’s all about Creation not fabulated imagined divine gods. ❤ Salome. 🇦🇺
It is interesting that we both, the US and Mexico have that tradition of looking at the extraterrestrials as brothers from other planets, and yet we here are not that open. What do you think it could be the reason? It’s the same composition of Europeans who invaded the Native Americans land, same here as in Mexico. Not sure people understand the majority of Mexicans just like we here are not Native Americans.
The reason for non inclusive conquest was almost always religious dogma. Without that, I think humanity may have had a legitimate chance to go so long without a living generation that knew anything of human slaughter. Warfare may have died a quiet death at some point in the last few thousand years.
Now I've learned that Billy Meier only had one arm. The blatantly obvious question would be, why didn't the Aliens regenerate Billy's missing arm? Surely that would be proof positive of his encounters with a by far advanced civilization.
Wendelle said once you prove the truth about controversy contact, they will come after you. Which they did in Wendelle's case. You can't prove something that didn't happen.
No. From my recollection of reading the contact reports, unfortunately those he speaks with, mentioned that taking more would not be effective but only become counter-intuitive since the development of modern day digital cameras and computer photography altering (photoshop) is coming into early development, thus those who desire and want to disprove the images will thus use this time to argue against the accuracy of the photos.
@@childofkhem1.618 Yes. Spot on. Though one can understand that the pictures are not about making money, but rather for us to learn, understand, figure out and perceive truth. And this ultimately is the treasure - for us to evolve and grow as real true human beings.
Everyone ignors the Swiss Intelligence Investigation into Billy Meier. Remember, Swiss Intel found the wedding cake model, along with the model flying saucers. These items were found in his barn. The strings, backdrops were also found. During the German language interview of Meier, Billy readily admitted to faking the photographs.
Wow, and why this is not said in this interview or any other in the other videos with other interviewers ? This makes lose comlletely faith in these guys that suposedly are truing to help to spread a good message..bit they are showing they are not really trustable...it s not diggerent from the oficial media we already ha e...it s like a TV show...but on the other side of the band...gullible or faked...well...
"During the German language interview of Meier, Billy readily admitted to faking the photographs." That's a complete fabricated lie and defamation from you, and the so-called Swiss Intelligence Investigation. Where is this interview? Oh, it doesn't exist because Billy never said he faked anything.
@@Rogel957 That commentator is outright lying. Billy never said he faked anything in the past 70 plus years. Don't believe anything you read from anonymous posters.
Regarding skepticism.. any thoughts on Bob Kiviat's documentary "The World's Greatest Hoaxes: Secrets Finally Revealed" (21m mark). He suggests Billy liked to make model UFOs, and that some of his UFO photographs when zoomed in, were found to have the exact same pattern as their trashcan lid! Apparently, the motivation was to develop a platform, in which he can instruct his followers to listen to his teachings (how many kids to have, etc.) Regarding Casita Blanca in Atlixco (a couple hours from Mexico City) and Devil's Tower (Wyoming), Sadhguru suggests Manasarovar Lake might be a bit spooky.
Search it on the internet: Billy Meier hoaxed his “Asket” et photos by photographing the Dean Martin show dancers from a TV screen, AND Billy Meier hoaxed his “time travel” dinosaur photo copying it from a Czechoslovak book
Same old arguement that does not go anywhere, except deceive those who are looking for real answers. If folks want to believe the information of others without truly searching for themselves the accuracy of the case, then who is truly the unthinking one. Folks like these who argue against the accuracy of the case will always say slander, to which we may not like it, but they too are an instrument for positive change for the human being, since the choice to think for one's self is always the choice of the individual. So if the individual believes whatever he or she fancy, then is the individual truly learning something of value? Or are they being maneuvered away into something that does not tread the path of truth and reality. Folks like these are a necessary "thing" in order for the individual human being to either be lost from what is truth and reality or to learn from that what is truly important is not what one says, but what an individual can gather to then discern, observe, figure out, and recognise the real truth.
Well, that TV photo is a quite undeniable proof of its inauthenticity...I would love all that story to be true, but sadly it isnt . It is just another manipulation.
@@windwhisprz I have the interview stored in a file. I'll upload it to my RU-vid page but I don't know if it will be rejected for copyright infringement. If that happens, I can send it to you directly
Meier is FAKE. Why you bother with this nonsense says volumes about your discernment mate. The other guy who was at |Meier's funny farm was a guy who realized it was a SCAM! No one talks to him anymore because he distroys their money making process. You have lost a subscriber .
One of the things I love about this channel is the open-minded discussion that Dr mishlove facilitates. Whether the reality or veracity of someone's claims are in doubt or clearly difficult to believe, Dr mishlove provides an open environment. This is a helpful quality even though it leaves room for dubious information
