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The Bizarre Link Between Blindness and Schizophrenia 

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You might have heard that supposedly, no one who was born blind has ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia. But if that’s true, how those two conditions so closely related to each other?
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@matthewkopp2391
@matthewkopp2391 4 года назад
My mother had schizophrenia. As she got older many of the symptoms became less and less and as she got better she became a prolific visual artist and made complex paper cut outs and drawings.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
The link between the thinning of the auditory cortex and Schizophrenia should be easy to test for. There is one group of people who should have a thickening of the auditory cortex: Musicians. As part of learning how to sing or play a musical instrument is using your hearing as feedback. Especially for those who sing or play wind and string instruments, where note tuning can be done by change of airflow, position of fingers and/or instrument, or tightening/relaxing of the vocal cords, hearing is very important to the process of music performance. A study that compared symptoms experienced by musicians with Schizophrenia versus non-musicians with Schizophrenia should be enough to verify this. If thickening of the auditory cortex does reduce the chances that the person experiences auditory hallucinations, then musicians should experience less auditory symptoms than the average person. If this is true, then the next question is: Can learning a musical instrument or singing positively affect the auditory symptoms. There are studies out there that have shown changes to the brains of those who learned how to sing from a vocal coach, even in adults. These changes would have to include the Auditory Cortex. So, could someone with the auditory hallucinations of Schizophrenia be treated by teaching them how to sing or play an instrument? It wouldn't cure the disorder, but it might offer a measure of relief.
@saumitrachakravarty
@saumitrachakravarty 4 года назад
Sounds pretty doable (the only tough part is to find enough schizophrenic musicians). Are you sure nobody had attempted this before?
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
@@saumitrachakravarty I donno. I didn't check.
@chryscantsleep
@chryscantsleep 4 года назад
I like this idea. I wish we could test it with people
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
@@chryscantsleep Musicians aren't people? I think I'm people. I've been told I'm people... (Just don't ask anyone I've dated.) Other than a CAT scan, it's not invasive. So I don't see the problem.
@chryscantsleep
@chryscantsleep 4 года назад
@@jackielinde7568 -_- seriously?
@BrainsApplied
@BrainsApplied 4 года назад
I'm glad you pointed out that correlations (especially with small sample sizes) say nothing... It's a mistake that many journalists and newspapers seem to make. *Thanks guys!*
@jwhite5008
@jwhite5008 4 года назад
They do in fact say a lot - just likely not what one may think of initially.
@razzterizzi5128
@razzterizzi5128 4 года назад
Finally! A study about blindness that takes into account the cause of the blindness itself! It’s so frustrating that cause is rarely noted and that lack invalidates a lot of results. Thank you for making not of it here!
@Skoenner
@Skoenner 4 года назад
Oof, for a moment I thought I was at risk of going blind...
@coaltraior
@coaltraior 4 года назад
Same
@hiccuphufflepuff176
@hiccuphufflepuff176 4 года назад
"Doctor! I think I'm schizophrenic!" "Why is that?" "I'm seeing things. Like, I think there's a tree outside the window." "There... _is_ a tree outside the window." "Yeah, but I'm blind."
@R.F.9847
@R.F.9847 4 года назад
That's a different relationship between vision and hallucinations. In people who were born sighted but then developed a particular kind of visual impairment (look up James Thurber for a famous example) or people who suddenly lost their vision due to a traumatic brain event (the novel "The Insult" by Rupert Thomson depicts someone going through this, although as a work of fiction it's not necessarily an accurate portrayal), this is a matter of the brain filling in a void that had not previously existed. RU-vidr Molly Burke, who was born sighted but became visually impaired due to retinitis pigmentosa, discusses a different but related issue she deals with, which is how low-vision people crave visual input and will compulsively create or seek out visual stimulation. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-woPwl9tYwV8.html
@mookinbabysealfurmittens
@mookinbabysealfurmittens 4 года назад
I know it's just a joke, however it's interesting to know that the world-renowned neurologist, Oliver Sachs, did some fantastic work studying hallucination in the blind. Yes, blind people can hallucinate, and it isn't just a couple of oddball cases; it's well-documented. Look up the case of the elderly blind woman and the checkered floor. She was a community home for the elderly. I swear I remember a street market in...Morocco? Anyway. Really fascinating.
@itzcrumpets7562
@itzcrumpets7562 4 года назад
Tbh I learn more on this channel than in school
@lemongrab1559
@lemongrab1559 4 года назад
take advanced classes! if u already are then i guess keep watching sci show :,)
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 4 года назад
@studydrops There is so much that can be learned online and I am perpetually disgusted that so many Americans play games and socialize all the time when they could spend at least some time learning. I am going to contribute to this SciShow pretty soon. I very much need what they have to offer as it is helping me do something very real and serious in real life. I have such severe and chronic migraine headaches that actually going (back) to school is not possible.
@kraneiathedancingdryad6333
@kraneiathedancingdryad6333 2 месяца назад
I've never heard this... thanks for passing it along :)
@fredgotpub871
@fredgotpub871 4 года назад
Very interesting, this idea of sens integration is intriguing, maybe more information on it ? Thanks !
@danfg7215
@danfg7215 4 года назад
I know nothing about this woman, but she looks like she is or would be an amazing mom
@jerry3790
@jerry3790 4 года назад
Well I mean... it would be pretty weird to have a visual hallucination if you can’t see
@eliscanfield3913
@eliscanfield3913 4 года назад
my deaf ear rings briefly once or twice a year. Its mildly weird, but not much. I guess the nerve is only mostly dead.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
@@acetate909 Except that the brain would need visual information to use for the hallucination. How do you visually hallucinate a clown if you've never seen one?
@darkestlight6784
@darkestlight6784 4 года назад
No. I'm deaf and i hear things in my head, it's pretty rare though
@TheFlipside
@TheFlipside 4 года назад
This is making me wonder if my symptoms would've been as intense if I had the kinda training/conditioning you were talking about towards the end when I was a kid
@katieb8752
@katieb8752 4 года назад
Is there any research on people who were partially blind at birth (neurologically?)
@user-vn7ce5ig1z
@user-vn7ce5ig1z 4 года назад
Or those who have cortical-blindness? 🤔
@mother-aiya
@mother-aiya 4 года назад
Can we talk about how Brit got her hair done and she looks AMAZING? (I mean she always does, but God I'm jealous of her hair right now lol)
@veronicagorosito187
@veronicagorosito187 4 года назад
Yeah I noticed that great hair work too!! (and mine is a disaster, ugh!!)
@WritingSch
@WritingSch 4 года назад
But schizophrenia doesn’t just include hallucinations. What about delusions, olfactory or tactile hallucinations, flat affect, etc. This study talked about Positive cluster of symptoms but no Negative or Disorganized ones. How would being born blind of deaf stop any of those?
@Hanayancey
@Hanayancey Год назад
The doctors just don't diagnose them with schizophrenia because they think since they can't see anything they must be okay or have something else.
@WayneManifesto
@WayneManifesto 4 года назад
How many SciShow channels are there and what are they?
@G.L.999
@G.L.999 2 года назад
Very cool.
@user-vb5pw6hl1m
@user-vb5pw6hl1m 3 месяца назад
My schizophrenia has brought me here again
@caspian8650
@caspian8650 4 года назад
I would guess that knowing you were at risk fot schitzophrenia and having someone help you work with that from a young age would be helpful even without a unique cognitive training regimen. Like a medical dula, kind of. I remember reading that other cultures with ways of codifying schitzophrenia as something other than mental illness tended to have better results with folks, and I wonder if expectation of disease progression plays a role there.
@animanya394
@animanya394 4 года назад
Thanks, this is very interesting! I heard how music can help with alzheimer, maybe it can help with schizophrenia too?
@ZA-mb5di
@ZA-mb5di 3 года назад
Yeah. I'm not diagnosed but it runs in the family. Songs like Lateralus from Tool, or Bitter End from The Veer Union, help me calm down
@timrutzi4368
@timrutzi4368 4 года назад
Interesting!
@veronicagorosito187
@veronicagorosito187 4 года назад
Just a suggestion for the video editor: check de-essing the voice!
@chickenmonger123
@chickenmonger123 4 года назад
Interesting. Would musical training in childhood and early adulthood effect this?
@win7643
@win7643 2 года назад
That’s strange ! I was born with congenital cataract ( that has been healed) so I’m supposed to have less risk to develop psychotic disorders but now I suffer from schizotypy and I have already had brief visual hallucinations.
@michellecoleman5577
@michellecoleman5577 4 года назад
So would the auditory correlation really have to be because of CCB? Anyone who went blind at a young enough age has spent their lives building that auditory sense the same way as anyone with CCB, regardless of specific condition. I wish I had brain scans of myself when I was born to compare to today. I was born with sight but lost it by age 2 due to detached retinas. I think it'd be really interesting material regardless of this particular topic.
@ChincerDante
@ChincerDante 4 года назад
so make ppl with risk of schizophrenia rely more on their hearing at a young age to help lessen or reduce the symptoms might be an option
@alisendj.s.c.8172
@alisendj.s.c.8172 3 года назад
Any studies on manually (deliberately and or accidentally) created blindness and deafness, even, say during, before, and or after diagnosis and onset? Anyone is free to answer me with their own knowledge, ideas, and experiences, too. I am mostly curious. I imagine thought disorder would remain. I have plenty of intrusive, unwanted, disorganized thoughts, that could simulate and or replace a lot of the unpleasant chatter they re-produce, but I wonder how deafness 'n' blindness might simplify symptoms _once_ mentally ill.
@NewMessage
@NewMessage 4 года назад
"At first glance..." Noice.
@culwin
@culwin 4 года назад
I don't see the connection and neither do my other personalities.
@thomassperduti4500
@thomassperduti4500 4 года назад
Wow!
@Eskridge-vr9gk
@Eskridge-vr9gk 5 месяцев назад
What about cases of schizophrenia that aren't characterized by hallucinations? Paranoia and delusions are common symptoms too. Are there no blind people who have these?
@TheSeldamoo
@TheSeldamoo 4 года назад
I had a hard following this one. Only because of my learning disability. I will have to watch this a few times.
@trisstensloth
@trisstensloth 4 года назад
so if the auditory hallucinations can be repressed by that part of the brain being strengthened because its relied on so much and it become overactive and then cause hallucinations?
@minifix
@minifix 4 года назад
Does that mean symptoms of schizophrenia could be modulated through sensory deprivation?
@mokimon5079
@mokimon5079 4 года назад
preventing schizophrenia = inducing blindness
@KingsleyIII
@KingsleyIII 4 года назад
You can't "see" what's not there if you can't see.
@eliscanfield3913
@eliscanfield3913 4 года назад
Only if you've been totally blind since birth
@unidentifiedbipedallifeform
@unidentifiedbipedallifeform 4 года назад
I wonder about that. Even if a blind person did have visual hallucinations, wouldn't it be obvious to them they aren't really seeing anything?
@chipkosboth3233
@chipkosboth3233 4 года назад
"At first glance"... oh come on!
@44bthknuckles
@44bthknuckles 2 года назад
DO A VIDEO ON HOW SCHITOFRANIA IS NOT DEMENTIA AND HOW DEMENTIA IS AN UMBRELLA TER EXPLAIN WHAT DEMENTIA IS AND ITS SYMPTOMS ALSO INCLUDE ALZTEIMERS AND SINILITY AKA SENILE.
@teddysketty3603
@teddysketty3603 4 года назад
Please do one on Parkinson’s
@N0L33TSP34K
@N0L33TSP34K 4 года назад
Schizophrenia is not a single disorder though, like most mental health conditions it's simply a label attached to a cluster of symptoms, so it is extremely unlikely that there's a common cause across different incidences of schizophrenia. It seems very likely that there are a whole lot of different processes involved in developing a disorder that is then labeled schizophrenia, which would also explain the vastly different clinical outcomes.
@LB-jx4hn
@LB-jx4hn 3 года назад
I'm red/green colorblind and have been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I don't see or hear things that aren't real though.
@Hanayancey
@Hanayancey Год назад
Me too. There are different symptoms to be diagnosed with schizophrenia. Not just hearing or seeing things that aren't real
@bobthegoat7090
@bobthegoat7090 4 года назад
Is it just me or is psychology more full of uncertainty compared to other branches of science?
@veronicagorosito187
@veronicagorosito187 4 года назад
Not a science at all. The APA makes injerency in sciences pretending to be a science in itself, but nopes. And the several psychology types (approaches and vision), let the mark of a pseudoscience. They know something, true, but more than that, it's just their billion assumptions and subjective conclusions. That is NOT science.
@harrynac6017
@harrynac6017 4 года назад
There are many questions that can't be tested for ethical reasons. It's almost impossible to turn it into a real science.
@Hanayancey
@Hanayancey Год назад
@@harrynac6017 what many questions can't be tested for ethical reasons. You have examples?
@user-vb5pw6hl1m
@user-vb5pw6hl1m 4 месяца назад
Can we get good news on schizophrenis
@jesipohl6717
@jesipohl6717 4 года назад
this is an extremely proscribed and artificial way of defining the experiences associated with a psychiatric diagnoses. The positive and negative symptoms scale which is a staple for treatment, does not define one organic disorder and most recent research has shown that this diagnoses is far from 'one thing'. More likely, there is a bias in the way we investigate positive and negative symptoms related to our sightedness and others experiencing problems might experience them in different ways. Note: schizophrenia research used to study "multiple personalities", then a focus on delusion, today auditory hallucinations are focused on, it's also true that many meta-analyses have confounded various incarnations of diagnoses...actually a problem with the DSM in general, compounding from generation to generation.
@YY4Me133
@YY4Me133 4 года назад
Has anyone experimented with putting someone who has schizophrenia in a sensory isolation tank?
@Hanayancey
@Hanayancey Год назад
Like the padded rooms in the hospital they put us in sometimes?
@RandiPoitras
@RandiPoitras 4 года назад
(In Russian accent) iiiiiiiinteresting
@Rovsau
@Rovsau 4 года назад
I'm blind. NO, I'M NOT!
@fangs111
@fangs111 4 года назад
i have Schizophrenia
@crolmac
@crolmac 4 года назад
Why then are people blind from birth from none brain causes not be included in this 'conclusion'...they also relie heavily on tneir auditory ability, so could also have this protection against schizophrenia...or else, something else is helping, not only the blindness. A function of the occipital lobe, maybe, that is damaged in these types of blindness?
@thisaccountisdead9060
@thisaccountisdead9060 4 года назад
I had just been looking into the 'imprinted brain theory' that suggests in a percentage of cases that schizophrenia could be the opposite of autism - which is apparently supported by a list of symptoms associated more closey with either autism or schizophrenia such as chronic pain for example. I had also heard that 'williams syndrome' is apparently the opposite of autism to. All I know about schizophrenia and the brain is the reduced grey matter and increased ventrical size associated
@jtes5604
@jtes5604 3 дня назад
Im blind not deaths
@sapphirII
@sapphirII 4 года назад
I'm sending this to my schizophrenic friend.
@NewMessage
@NewMessage 4 года назад
Hope there's a vid about clinical lycanthropy lined up for the 31st...
@Master_Therion
@Master_Therion 4 года назад
I hate it when I turn into a werewolf, my pants always fall down. It's a Full Moon.
@makeracistsafraidagain
@makeracistsafraidagain 4 года назад
Music training.
@abagpiperyoumetinmexico211
@abagpiperyoumetinmexico211 4 года назад
dont scare me please, im blind and the voices in my head say this is just bs
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
I don't listen to the voices in my head. They're all lazy morons who can't even be bothered to tell me to do something bad. And even when they try, they spend more time arguing with themselves than actually pestering me.
@TO5TADA
@TO5TADA 4 года назад
I work with what I'm given. I'm a bibliophile - I like to read and absorb information ... A lot. My "delusions" aren't auditory or visual. They're feelings. A term I'm really enamored with is empathic. I can tell more or less how someone is feeling. I deduce these things by READING body language, but sometimes my brain reads body language so fast that I don't really notice body language at all simply the emotions from the other person and I absorb it and portray it. For instance when I'm at a party and folks are drinking - since I can't drink I'm usually stuck being sober, however I tend to absorb the drunkenness and actually stumble and talk erratically - like a drunk person
@symix.
@symix. 4 года назад
@@jackielinde7568 what? Do you hear voices inside your head? I hear voices talking to me outside the head like someone was next to me but then I turn and no one is there? Odd.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
@@symix. Oh, I also hear voices outside of my head. I turn around, and there's someone saying something... Blah, blah, blah... Then I turn around and they're gone. Or I stop caring. I donno. What were we talking about again?
@darkestlight6784
@darkestlight6784 4 года назад
Can you research schizophrenia in deaf people?
@skilltreebusybee
@skilltreebusybee 4 года назад
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@ItsShatter
@ItsShatter 4 года назад
Sooooo play video games ( requires both sharp visual and auditory senses to excel in ) I’ll just assume that’s the case!
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 4 года назад
So what would happen if a schizophrenic person was in total darkness for a period of time? What about schizophrenics in northern areas where the sun hardly shines in winter and barely sets in summer? I have severe, chronic migraine and occasionally, in the aura phase, have flashes of visual or auditory hallucinations. I always know these things do not exist and I am not mentally ill. Perhaps living most of my life free of any hallucinations allows me to reject unreal stimuli?
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 4 года назад
@@adamagustus1316 Thank you!
@annalisette5897
@annalisette5897 4 года назад
@@adamagustus1316 Yes. Bi-polar extremes of mood with psychotic symptoms for certain periods of time. An helpful strategy during mania is a very quiet, non-stimulating environment. (Basic nursing.)
@Hanayancey
@Hanayancey Год назад
Even if you know the hallucinations aren't real the doctors would still think you are mentally ill
@metricstormtrooper
@metricstormtrooper 4 года назад
Presenters talking too quickly without natural pauses doesn't give me Schizophrenia, but It drives me Nuts.
@unidentifiedbipedallifeform
@unidentifiedbipedallifeform 4 года назад
Agreed. I keep thinking: Breathe! Just stop and breathe! For one second.
@blahsomethingclever
@blahsomethingclever 4 года назад
Interesting, but couldn't it just be that when you're blind from birth, one has to learn to trust other people more? And can't secluded oneself? But the video also said that blindness related to eyes doesn't reduce the rate. Weird.
@fossforever512
@fossforever512 4 года назад
As far as I’m aware seclusion has nothing to do with schizophrenia, It’s almost entirely genetic
@elanianiyvwia8687
@elanianiyvwia8687 4 года назад
They just need a easer way to spell it.
@YellowPenetrator
@YellowPenetrator 4 года назад
Everything is connected, inside and outside the human body, and this fact was no surprise to me xD
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
You need to stop using the word "Listicles". Every time you do, it sounds like testicles... and then 12 year old me takes over, and you know how that goes.
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
Oh, and the phrase "Small, limited sample sizes" isn't helping things out, either. Pretty sure there are dozens of scam emails offering to help with that problem.
@dutchik5107
@dutchik5107 4 года назад
@@jackielinde7568 whut. It's just talking about the study. To say "hey. It gives an idea. But not a lot of people were in it, cause that's difficult/expensive so take all this with a grain of salt."
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
@@dutchik5107 I think you're missing the joke. You probably need to get in touch with your 12 year old self. (Unless you suffer from small sample sizes. Then I'd suggest you talk to an expert to see what can be done about that.)
@3_up_moon
@3_up_moon 4 года назад
Someone did a great job on your hair today, girlfriend!
@AniBAretz
@AniBAretz 4 года назад
FYI: The plural of cortex is cortices, not cortexes. Similarly, the plural of index is indices, not indexes.
@muqrimusa3
@muqrimusa3 4 года назад
Captain Marvel is that you?
@bonzymew_
@bonzymew_ 4 года назад
1:12 hehe she says genital
@saumitrachakravarty
@saumitrachakravarty 4 года назад
Are you 12 year old or something?
@bonzymew_
@bonzymew_ 4 года назад
Saumitra Chakravarty Yes actually, it’s a little weird that you know that..
@saumitrachakravarty
@saumitrachakravarty 4 года назад
@@bonzymew_ Just a bit of math skill on probability and familiarity of word usage of different age groups on the internet. I could be wrong but data says I would be right most of the time. Don't worry! Big data can do wonder these days.
@DrD0000M
@DrD0000M 4 года назад
Yes, good, but why are you using sign language in the video?
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
It's not sign language. It's just gesturing while talking. Some people do it. The fun part is making them sit on their hands and watch them get all tongue tied.
@Master_Therion
@Master_Therion 4 года назад
The other day I bumped into a blind person (correction: he bumped into me) and at first I thought he might have schizophrenia. He was acting a little, you know, different. But I was wrong. Turns out he was just blind drunk.
@Master_Therion
@Master_Therion 4 года назад
Please note: I'm not trying to make fun of anyone. If my comment bothered you in any way, please accept my apology. It can be very hard to write jokes about a subject like this and also be sensitive. ^_^
@jackielinde7568
@jackielinde7568 4 года назад
I am not offended, I just failed to see the humor in your joke. I heard it went over like a wet towel. You may be a master at puns, but I don't think you have the feel for this kind of humor. Keep looking, and you may find it.
@dejayrezme8617
@dejayrezme8617 4 года назад
Ok but what about this: I don't have schizophrenia I am also not blind. I have been vaccinated. So... checkmate science! /s
@drinkmoresoda
@drinkmoresoda 4 года назад
Schizophrenia is contagious and can be passed by talking to people who have it.
@user-vn7ce5ig1z
@user-vn7ce5ig1z 4 года назад
You had me until the auditory part; I thought you were going to say that people who were born deaf also don't have schizophrenia. Instead you said just said the auditory part is the opposite of the visual part. The whole thing fell apart. 😕
@msgoody2shoes959
@msgoody2shoes959 4 года назад
Psych drug side effects are the cause of most serious mental health issues.
@gizmogoose.2486
@gizmogoose.2486 4 года назад
This would be a lot easier to watch if you lost about 50lbs !!!
@_DiJiT
@_DiJiT 4 года назад
No it wouldn't.
@_DiJiT
@_DiJiT 4 года назад
In fact, her weight changes nothing about the content of this video other than changing the ratio of positive and negative space.
@Nonexistent1010
@Nonexistent1010 4 года назад
Maybe you should go blind. Might solve your problem with looking at normal people.
@Nonexistent1010
@Nonexistent1010 4 года назад
@@adamagustus1316 no but you seem like you are.
@caphunterx2322
@caphunterx2322 4 года назад
Gizmo Goose. That's rude man
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