The Bombing of Dresden (Operation Thunderclap) February 1945 

Έτσι ακριβώς.

Ευτυχώς που είσαι στην σωστή πλευρά της ιστορίας Συμπέρασμα :Μην αρχίζεις πόλεμο :αν δεν ξέρεις που πας !!!

Κάνε μια σύγκριση με το Χιτλερ η Στάλιν !!!

Συνέχεια της ισοπέδωσης της Βαρσοβίας του Στάλινγκραντ (Βόλγκογκραντ) και του Κόβεντρι. Και δεν είμαι κκες.

Αναίτιο? Δεν θα το ελεγα....

Δεν βαριέσαι...

Αυτό θα έπρεπε να έχει γίνει σε όλη την Γερμανία.

Να είσαι σίγουρος εάν η Γερμανία είχε την δύναμη και τον οπλισμό των συμμάχων θα είχε βομβαρδίσει όλο τον κόσμο. Δεν τους λυπάμαι καθόλου και εμείς οι Έλληνες δεν πρέπει να ξεχνάμε την κατοχή, τις εκτελέσεις, τα Καλάβρυτα, το Δίστομο τις καταστροφές που έκαναν στις υποδομές μας φεύγοντας και το κακό που έκαναν γενικά στην ανθρωπότητα.

​@@nikosk3080 Τρομάρα σου αγράμματε

Τα ίδια και χειρότερα ο Τσώρτσιλ. Και το μεγαλύτερο όλων των εγκλημάτων η Χιροσίμα και το Ναγκασάκι. Εγκλήματα που έμειναν ατιμώρητα.

Οτι να'ναι κυριολεκτικα

​@@LefterisA97 ακριβώς ότι να ναι λες😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Εγκλημα.ηταν.και.οι.ατομικες.βομβες.χοιροσιμα.ναγκασακι.

Για πολλα θα επρεπε να ντρεπονται οι Αγγλοι , αλλα σιγα , απο τους πιο βρωμικους λαους , απ οπου περασαν αιμα και πενθος ,

Για τις ναπάλμ εναντίον συμμάχων δεν θα έπρεπε να ντρέπονται;

@@nikosk3080 οι συμμαχοι ποιοι ειναι; οι σφαγεις του εαμ;

@@user-og8zx2fe4n Σε αυτούς που αποκαλείς "σφαγείς" είχε δωθεί διαταγή από το Σ.Μ.Α. να πετσοκόψουν τους ανθέλληνες συνεργάτες των κατακτητών. Αυτό και έκαναν. Αν είχες και βιολογικούς προγόνους εκτός από πολιτικούς ανάμεσά τους θα έπρεπε να ντρέπεσαι δίπλα. Υ.Γ: Όσες φορές χρειαστεί εμείς θα είμαστε εκεί για να κάνουμε αυτό που πρέπει.

... όπως τα 80 χρόνια από την Μάχη τής Κρήτης. Η επιχείρηση Μπαρμπαρόσα ...

Ευχαριστώ Γιάννη!

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

Στην Καρδίτσα έχουμε μια Γερμανίδα την γκιζελα κοντά στα 80 παντρεμένη με Έλληνα που πήγε να σπουδάσει Γερμανία....περιγραφές συγκλονιστικες

Ευχαριστώ Κώστα!

​@@HistoryinArmsΠόσοι τόννοι βομβών έριξαν οι σύμμαχοι πόλη Αννόβερο; Ρωτάω γιατί έχω πάει εκεί.

Ορθότατα! Προμελετημένο έγκλημα πολεμου, με κυριο ενορχηστρωτή τον Βρετανό Πτεραρχο Χάρις👍

Οι Γερμανοί στο Λονδίνο το 41 στο χαμό έριχναν

Άσχετη απάντηση.Διαβασε καλύτερα τι συνέβη στη Δρέσδη και μη συγκρίνεις ανόμοια πράγματα..

Καλά τους εκαναν

Και;

Ευχαριστώ Αποστόλη!

idio nomizma ekanena poli xeirotera oi germanoi

@@24online63 αποσο ξερω τα μεγαλυτερα εγκληματα πολεμου στη συγχρονη ιστορια (μιλαμε για αμαχο πληθυσμο, γεροι-γυναικες-μωρα παιδια κλπ- μιλαμε για εγκλημα στιγμιαιο δηλαδη λιγων ωρων-ημερων και για εγκλημα που δεν το επεβαλε καμμια αναγκαιοτητα και θα μπορουσε ναχει αποφευχθει) ειναι η Δρεσδη η Χιροσιμα και το Ναγκασακι (ισως και το Τοκιο). Και υπολογιζουμε περιπου 80-100 χιλαδες νεκρους στο καθενα . Κατι τετοιο οι Γερμανοι δεν εκαναν ποτε. Δεν σημαινει αυτο φυσικα οτι οι Ναζι δεν εκαναν εγκληματα πολεμου στην Ελλαδα η αλλου. Οπως και οι Τουρκοι οι Γιαπωνεζοι και αλλοι πολλοι σχεδον ολοι οι κατακτητικοι λαοι στην Ιστορια. Αλλα δεν ειναι κακο να εχουμε το θαρρος να λεμε την αληθεια για τους "φιλους" μας Αγγλους. Αν αναφερεσαι στο ποσους εξοντωσε συνολικα ο καθε λαος (Γερμανοι Αγγλοι Αμερικανοι Τουρκοι Γιαπωνεζοι κλπ) τοτε η απαντηση ειναι διαφορετικη, οι Γιαπωνεζοι ειναι μακραν οι χειροτεροι

Θα σε κυνηγάνε οι Αμερικάνοι προσεχετε παιδιά τι γράφετε χάχα ακόμη υπάρχουν

@@jonjonk7452 1071-1453 ΕΘΝΟΚΑΘΑΣΗ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΒΟΉΘΕΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΑΓΓΛΟΣΑΞΟΝ 1453-1821 ΜΑΎΡΗ ΠΕΡΊΟΔΟΣ ΤΗ ΣΤΙΓΜΉ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΌΤΗΤΑΣ. ΔΕΎΤΕΡΗ ΕΘΝΟΚΑΘΑΣΗ ΤΑ ΠΑΡΑΠΆΝΩ ΏΡΚ ΞΑΝΑΜΑΚΕΛΕΨΑΝ ΤΗΝ ΓΗ ΌΛΗ. 1821 ΑΡΧΉ ΤΗΣ ΤΟΥ ΤΈΛΟΥΣ ΤΟΥ ΔΕΎΤΕΡΟΥ ΡΆΙΧ. ΏΣΤΕ. ΤΗΝ ΑΡΧΉ ΤΩΝ ΒΑΛΚΑΝΙΚΩΝ ΠΟΛΈΜΩΝ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΤΆ ΑΠΌ ΤΟ WW1. ΣΥΓΓΝΏΜΗ ΜΑ ΤΟ ΣΥΜΠΈΡΑΣΜΑ ΕΊΝΑΙ ΠΩΣ Ο. ΕΓΓΛΗΜΑΤΙΑΣ ΔΕΝ ΣΤΑΜΑΤΆ ΜΈΧΡΙ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΚΑΛΈΣΕΙ ΈΝΑΝ ΝΈΟ ΠΌΛΕΜΟ ΤΩΝ WW2. 30.000.000 + ΡΩΜΙΟΊ ΧΆΘΗΚΑΝ ΠΡΙΝ ΤΟ WW1 TO TΡΙΤΟ ΚΑΤΑΣΕΙΡΑ ΡΆΙΧ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΠΟΥ ΤΑ ΘΎΜΑΤΑ ΕΊΝΑΙ ΠΟΛΎ ΠΕΡΙΣΣΌΤΕΡΑ ΑΛΛΆ ΤΏΡΑ ΠΟΥ ΤΟ ΤΕΛΕΥΤΑΊΟ ΡΆΙΧ 4ο κατασειρα ΡΆΙΧ ΑΓΓΛΟΓΕΡΜΑΝΙΚΟ ΈΠΝΙΞΕ ΤΗΝ ΓΗ. ΜΑΣ. ΔΕΝ ΥΠΆΡΧΕΙ ΔΙΑΦΟΡΆ ΜΕΤΑΞΎ ΤΩΝ ΕΓΚΛΗΜΆΤΩΝ ΥΠΆΡΧΕΙ ΠΑΡΑ ΜΟΝΩΝ ΈΓΚΛΗΜΑ ΑΤΙΜΩΡΗΣΊΑΣ ΌΠΩΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΆΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΕΓΚΛΗΜΑΤΊΑ ΠΟΛΈΜΟΥ ΝΑ ΠΑΡΑΔΕΧΤΕΊ ΤΟ ΈΓΚΛΗΜΑ ΤΟΥ ΒΑΦΤΙΖΩΝΤΑΣ ΠΟΛΕΜΙΚΈΣ ΑΚΡΌΤΗΤΕΣ ΓΙΑ ΈΡΘΕΙ Ο ΊΔΙΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΜΕΤΆ ΑΠΌ ΤΌΣΑ ΧΡΌΝΙΑ ΝΑ ΣΟΥ ΠΕΙ ΤΟ ΘΎΜΑ ΤΟΥ ΦΤΑΊΕΙ ΑΝ ΔΕΝ ΈΧΑΝΕ ΤΊΠΟΤΑ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΕΊΧΕ ΣΥΜΒΕΊ. ΏΣ ΕΔΏ . ΚΑΙ Η ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑΤΙΚΉ ΟΙΚΟΝΟΜΙΚΉ ΕΞΌΝΤΩΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΛΑΏΝ ΕΊΝΑΙ ΓΕΝΟΚΤΟΝΊΑ Η ΤΡΟΜΟΚΡΑΤΊΑ Η ΑΝΑΡΧΊΑ Η. ΚΑΤΆΧΡΗΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΕΛΥΘΕΡΙΑΣ ΤΟΥ ΑΤΌΜΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ ΣΥΝΌΛΟΥ ΤΩΝ ΑΝΘΡΏΠΩΝ ΕΊΝΑΙ ΕΞ ΟΛΟΚΛΉΡΟΥ ΈΓΚΛΗΜΑ ΚΑΤΆ ΤΗΣ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΌΤΗΤΑΣ ΕΘΝΟΚΑΘΑΣΗ ΌΧΙ ΣΥΓΓΝΏΜΗ ΑΛΛΆ ΔΕΝ ΥΠΆΡΧΕΙ ΠΕΡΊΠΤΩΣΗ ΝΑ ΣΤΑΜΑΤΉΣΕΙ Ο ΕΜΠΑΙΓΜΌΣ ΜΑΣ ΜΆΣΚΑ ΦΟΡΑΕΙ Ο ΤΩΡΙΝΌΣ ΕΓΚΛΗΜΑΤΊΑΣ ΕΝΩΣ ΑΤΕΛΕΊΩΤΟΥ ΔΙΑΡΚΟΎΣ ΕΘΝΟΚΑΥΑΡΤΗΚΟΥ ΠΟΛΈΜΟΥ. ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΌΧΙ ΔΕΝ ΥΠΆΡΧΕΙ ΣΥΓΓΝΏΜΗ ΊΣΩΣ ΦΤΑΊΕΙ Η ΖΩΉ ΠΟΥ ΕΊΝΑΙ ΜΙΚΡΉ ΑΛΛΆ ΚΑΜΙΆ ΠΑΤΡΊΔΑ ΚΑΜΙΆ ΓΗ ΔΕΝ ΑΞΊΖΟΥΝ ΤΑ ΚΑΘΆΡΜΑΤΑ ΑΥΤΑ

@@jonjonk7452 300.000+ νεκροί από την (τεχνητή) πείνα τον χειμώνα του '41- '42 στην Αθήνα. 1500+ χωριά και κωμοπόλεις καμμένα από τους Γερμανούς στη διάρκεια της κατοχής με πολλές χιλιάδες αμάχους θύματα. Αυτά στην Ελλάδα μόνο. Όλη την Γερμανία έπρεπε να έχουν βομβαρδίσει όπως τη Δρέσδη και όχι μόνο μια φορά, να μην έμενε ούτε κατσαρίδα ζωντανή.

Τί ; Τα πάνω από 1500 καμμένα χωριά στην Ελλάδα μήπως;

Μισή δουλειά έγινε στην Δρέσδη. Όπως και στον Μελιγαλά.

​@@nikosk3080με 30000 νεκρούς εαμοβουλγαρους έγινε όμως σωστή δουλειά,ευτυχώς.

@@aristeideskon.1147 Αυτοί που αποκαλείς "εαμοβούλγαρους" ήταν αυτοί που έσωσαν την τιμή του έθνους στην διάρκεια της κατοχής σε αντίθεση με τους κουκουλοφόρους "πατριώτες" και τους φυγόμαχους πολιτικούς, στρατηγούς και βασιλιάδες. Τώρα εσύ γλύψε χεσμένους κώλους για το κάθε "pass" και νιώσε ευτυχισμένος που δεν σου πήραν οι κομμουνιστές το σπίτι αλλά οι τράπεζες. Νιώσε ακόμα πιό ευτυχισμένος που για χάρη του ΝΑΤΟ υπάρχει πλέον Βόρεια Μακεδονία, Τουρκική Δημοκρατία της Βόρειας Κύπρου και στο άμεσο μέλλον και η Ήπειρος θα είναι κομμάτι της Αλβανίας.

​@@nikosk3080sapouni sapouni

Εδώ η Playlist με όλα μας τα βιντεο με Β' ΠΠ έως τώρα: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jSwQN_0KWAY.html Κάνε εγγραφή για να μη χάνεις τα νέα επεισόδια.

μπορεις να βρεις την επιχειρηση μπαρμπαροσα, με αφηγητη τον τσαρλτον ιστον με ελληινκους υποτιτλουσ και ελληνικη αφηγηση

Ευχαριστώ! Το κομμάτι που ψάχνεις είναι: Erik Satie "Gnossienne Nr 1" (Klavier, Cello) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lqVpudW97cc.html

Νασαι καλά!

αν δεν βοβμαρδηζαν οι συμαχοι τημ δρεσδη θα την επερναν οι ρωσοι γιαυτο

Και μάλιστα το χειρότερο

@@christosnantsou9813 γιατί; Δεν την πήραν;

Δίστομο, Καλάβρυτα δεν θα τους λυπηθούμε ξεχνάς οτι ο θερισμός της Μ Ασίας ήταν υπο καθοδήγηση Γερμανών. Μόνο το ολοκαύτωμα φτάνει να τους εξοντωναμε ολους τότε κρίμα που ο Χίτλερ δεν κράτησε λίγο παραπάνω αντίσταση τοτε να τους έριχναν οι Αμερικάνοι πυρηνικά.

@@alexopoulosifbbelitepro3274 ναι κοιταξε να δεις ο θερισμος της μικρας Ασίας εγινε με υποδειξη γερμανων (οι οποιοι τοτε ειχαν χασει και δεν ξερω κατα ποσο θα μπορουσαν να ασκησουν πολιτική στη διεθνη σκηνη) αλλα και με υποστηριξη ρωσική και σιωπη της ανταντ κανεις δεν ηθελε την Ελλάδα εκει φαινεται... Διστομο καλαβρυτα την πληρωσαν λογο ανταρτικης δραστηριοτητας εχω κανει αυτοψιες στις περιοχες... Σττην περιπτωση της δρεσδης σχεδον ειχε τελειωσει ο πολεμος. Το ολοκαύτωμα ειναι ενα θεμα που δεν μπορουμε να το αναπτυξουμε εδω

Τουλάχιστον 50.000.000 άμαχοι έχασαν τη ζωή τους στον Β' ΠΠ. Οι άμαχοι κάτοικοι και πρόσφυγες της Δρέσδης έζησαν μερικές από τις πλέον φρικιαστικές στιγμές του πολέμου....

@@HistoryinArms Αυτό σημαίνει ολοκληρωτικος πόλεμος. Να κινδυνεύει στον ίδιο βαθμό ένας πολίτης σε ένα αστικό κέντρο με έναν στρατιώτη στο μέτωπο ή έναν ναύτη υποβρυχίου σε αποστολή.Παντού είναι μέτωπο.

@@nikandros0185 σωστότατο, ιστορικά ακριβές👍

@@HistoryinArms οι ρωσοι τι καναν οταν μπηκαν ;χειροτερα απο οτι οι γερμανοι βιασμους λεηλασιες και πολλα τετοια

@@christosnantsou9813 Τα ίδια έκαναν οι Γερμανοί στην Ελλάδα, τη Γιουγκοσλαβία, τη Σοβιετική Ένωση κλπ. Αν σπείρεις τσουκνίδες δεν υπάρχει καμία περίπτωση να μαζέψεις τριαντάφυλλα ή γαρδένιες. Τσουκνίδες θα μαζέψεις.

και ο πόλεμος έγκλημα είναι από μόνος του

Οποιος χάσει, είναι εγκληματίας πολέμου.

@@fumangus κατά μια έννοια, Ισχυει. Κοινώς, επικρατεί το "Δίκαιο των Νικητών".....

Αυτά που έκαναν οι Βούλγαροι , οι Γερμανοί στην βόρεια Ελλάδα φτάνουν κατεμε να μην χαρακτηρίσω έγκλημα την καταστροφή της Δρέσδης. Ίσα ίσα ειμαι της αποψης κάθε 20 χρονια να τους βομβαρδίζουμε τους Γερμανούς.

@@christosnantsou9813 αν αυτα που λες ηταν αληθεια και εγιναν μαζικα θα ειχες μια πηγή ιστορικη να το αποδείξεις. Δεν εννοώ κατι μεμονωμένο που μπορει να ειδε ο παππους σου αλλα κάτι γενικευμένο. Γενικευμένα εγκληματα κατα των αμάχων και της ανθρωπότητας δεν υπήρξε απο πλευράς Ελλάδος τουλάχιστον στο ελληνοαλβανικό μέτωπο.

Σωστότατο👍

εγκληματίες όλοι

Τι φταινε οι απλοι πολιτες ; Την ειπες την μακακια σου

Και χιλιάδες χωριά στην Ελλάδα

@@user-lt1dz4op6u εδώ υπάρχει θέμα αντίληψης. Είναι εμφανές. Κριμαααααα

@@user-lt1dz4op6u έλλειψη πληροφοριών.

Ώπα...μάθε ιστορία για το ποιος ευθύνεται για την σφαγή στο Δίστομο , μπορούσε να είχε αποφευχθεί το ολοκαύτωμα του Χορτιάτη και του Διστόμου αν οι κουμουνιστες αντάρτες δεν είχαν χτυπήσει τους Γερμανούς και στην συνέχεια να αποχωρήσουν από την περιοχή αφήνοντας απροστάτευτους τους κατοίκους των χωριών της περιοχής, βλέπουμε τό δέντρο και χάνουμε το δάσος, βλέπουμε τά πράγματα μόνο για την σφαγή στο Δίστομο Που την καταδικάζω με χέρια και πόδια ταυτόχρονα κοιτάω την ιστορία από την αρχή της, είμαστε στο 2022 και ακόμη σήμερα που γράφω αυτό γίνεται και συνεχίζει ό πόλεμος στην Ουκρανία που στο τέλος ό άμαχος πληθυσμός θα πρέπει να πληρώσει, λυπάμαι ειλικρινά δεν έχουμε διδαχθεί τίποτα από τα προηγούμενα χρόνια. Συγνώμη για την παρέμβαση.

@@georgiosmesimeris3076 Πόσοι εκτελέστηκαν στην Καισαριανή και το Χαϊδάρι ξέρεις; Πόσα πέθαναν από πείνα στην Κατοχή; Ή μήπως υπήρχε χωριό που δεν είχε δικά του παιδιά στην Αντίσταση;

Σωστότατο. 👍

Σε τι έφταιξαν τα γυναικόπαιδα και τα μωρά ρε άθλιο ανθρωποειδές , για να τους κάψουν με αυτόν τον βάρβαρο τρόπο !

τώρα ετοιμάζουμε επεισόδια

Εγώ έχω έτοιμα πάνω από 700 επεισόδια εάν τα θέλετε πολύ ευχαρίστως

Ζητω ο σύντροφος γκοτζιλα

Για αυτό ακούω κ εγώ τους μαλακες Dire straights k συγκινουμε βαθύτατα με το brothers in arms ΠΩΠΩ κωλόπαιδα αυτοί οι άλλοι μάλλον οι τράπεζες τους χάχα

Παράφρονας ήταν με κολοβό μουστάκι ήταν ο Χίτλερ. Πόσο κόσμο σκότωσε άραγε. Αναφέρομαι στους Εβραίους και όχι μόνο. Καθάρματα όλοι οι όμοιοι του Χίτλερ όπως ήταν ο Χίμλερ, ο Αμον Γκετ κτλ.

Lindemann was not writing in a vacuum when he created the Lindemann Plan. Professor Solly Zuckerman and Professor Desmond Bernal, both Jews, also did studies on the effects of area bombing on structures and people, and both became strong advocates of massive bombing of Germany. Bombing cities as a means of waging total war had already become an accepted strategy among the members of Britain’s “war party.” Britain began developing and building long range, heavy bombers as early as 1933. The United States did the same. The Lancaster, the B17 and the B24 were built for no purpose except to destroy cities and inflict massive casualties on the German population. Military operations require small, fast, “tactical” planes. Thousand plane armadas of four-engine, heavy “strategic” bombers had no military purpose. Colonel (later Brigadier General) Robin Olds, a highly respected officer and USAF fighter pilot who served in both WWII and Vietnam, stated more than once that the so-called strategic bombing program was ineffective, wasteful and pointless. It is generally acknowledged today that the strategic bombing program did not shorten the war by a single day, and that in the end, it served no military purpose. After all, Germany reached her highest level of war production in the last months of the war when the bombing was most intense. Colonel Olds, among many others, was of the opinion that fighter bombers carrying a single bomb flying low and fast would have been far more effective against German military and strategic targets. He said that a single Mustang could have dropped a five hundred pound bomb through the window of any factory in Germany. It was impossible to hit a factory with a huge formation of bombers flying at 25,000 feet without destroying everything for miles around it. He also emphasized that this would have greatly minimized civilian casualties. Perhaps the colonel was naive. Perhaps he did not understand that the very purpose of “strategic bombing” was to maximize civilian casualties. In a word, the purpose of “strategic bombing” was genocide!! While Britain and the United States were building thousands upon thousands of four-engine, long range, heavy bombers, designed for no otherpurpose than the destruction of cities and the slaughter of massive numbers of civilians, Germany built only light, maneuverable, low altitude bombers designed for ground support. These planes were unsuitable for genocidal terror bombing. Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly, three months after the RAF began a campaign of carpet bombing German cities. Hitler would have been willing at any time to stop the slaughter. Churchill’s War Cabinet adopted the Lindemann Plan in March, 1942, which then became Britain’s official policy. This decision of the War Cabinet was kept a closely guarded secret from the British public throughout the war and for many years afterwards. The British people were told that only military and industrial targets were bombed, and any damage beyond that was unintentional. The true nature of British bombing of German cities and civilians was revealed in 1961 in a book titled Science and Government by the physicist and novelist, Sir Charles Snow. The following passage from the book was immediately translated and published in several languages: “Early in 1942 Professor Lindemann, by this time Lord Cherwell and a member of the Cabinet, laid a cabinet paper before the Cabinet on the strategic bombing of Germany. It described in quantitative terms the ef ect on Germany of a British bombing of ensive in the next eighteen months (approximately March 1942-September 1943). The paper laid down a strategic policy. The bombing must be directed essentially against German working-class houses. Middle-class houses have too much space round them and so are bound to waste bombs; factories and “military objectives” had long since been forgotten, except in of icial bulletins, since they were much too dif icult to find and hit. The paper claimed that-given a total concentration of ef ort on the production and use of aircraft-it would be possible, in all the larger towns of Germany (that is, those with more than 50,000 inhabitants), to destroy 50 per cent of all houses.” Angus Calder wrote, in his book, “The Peoples’ War,” 1969: “It may be Inconvenient History but England rather than Germany initiated the murderous slaughter of bombing civilians thus bringing about retaliation. [Neville] Chamberlain conceded that it [bombing of civilians and cities]was “absolutely contrary to International law.” It began in 1940 and Churchill believed it held the secret of victory. He was convinced that raids of suf icient intensity could destroy Germany’s morale, and so his War Cabinetplanned a campaign that abandoned the accepted practice of attacking the enemy’s armed forces and, instead made civilians the primary target. Night after night, RAF bombers in ever increasing numbers struck throughout Germany, usually at working class housing, because it was more densely packed.” Britain devoted more of her resources to RAF Bomber Command than to all the other branches of the British military combined. Having discovered early in the war that it was nearly impossible to hit a small target such as a factory or a runway from high in the air, Bomber Command decided to concentrate entire air wings into bomber raids of a thousand planes at a time on German cities. To avoid airplane losses to German fighter planes and anti￾aircraft fire from the ground, these massive attacks were flown only at night at high altitude. The British gave up on military targets early in the war and decided to concentrate entirely on Germany’s cities, using the city centers as their aiming point. The city centers were the oldest part of the cities, dating back to the middle ages and beyond. In the city centers the streets were narrow and the buildings were close together, constructed mostly of highly flammable wood, covered with plaster, which ignited easily and burned furiously. The people in these old cities suffered agonizing deaths as they were fried, cooked, and broiled by the fires, or blown to pieces by the explosions"

Lindemann was not writing in a vacuum when he created the Lindemann Plan. Professor Solly Zuckerman and Professor Desmond Bernal, both zews, also did studies on the effects of area bombing on structures and people, and both became strong advocates of massive bombing of Germany. Bombing cities as a means of waging total war had already become an accepted strategy among the members of Britain’s “war party.” Britain began developing and building long range, heavy bombers as early as 1933. The United States did the same. The Lancaster, the B17 and the B24 were built for no purpose except to destroy cities and inflict massive casualties on the German population. Military operations require small, fast, “tactical” planes. Thousand plane armadas of four-engine, heavy “strategic” bombers had no military purpose. Colonel (later Brigadier General) Robin Olds, a highly respected officer and USAF fighter pilot who served in both WWII and Vietnam, stated more than once that the so-called strategic bombing program was ineffective, wasteful and pointless. It is generally acknowledged today that the strategic bombing program did not shorten the war by a single day, and that in the end, it served no military purpose. After all, Germany reached her highest level of war production in the last months of the war when the bombing was most intense. Colonel Olds, among many others, was of the opinion that fighter bombers carrying a single bomb flying low and fast would have been far more effective against German military and strategic targets. He said that a single Mustang could have dropped a five hundred pound bomb through the window of any factory in Germany. It was impossible to hit a factory with a huge formation of bombers flying at 25,000 feet without destroying everything for miles around it. He also emphasized that this would have greatly minimized civilian casualties. Perhaps the colonel was naive. Perhaps he did not understand that the very purpose of “strategic bombing” was to maximize civilian casualties. In a word, the purpose of “strategic bombing” was genocide!! While Britain and the United States were building thousands upon thousands of four-engine, long range, heavy bombers, designed for no other purpose than the destruction of cities and the slaughter of massive numbers of civilians, Germany built only light, maneuverable, low altitude bombers designed for ground support. These planes were unsuitable for genocidal terror bombing. H only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly, three months after the RAF began a campaign of carpet bombing German cities. H would have been willing at any time to stop the slaughter.

Churchill’s War Cabinet adopted the Lindemann Plan in March, 1942, which then became Britain’s official policy. This decision of the War Cabinet was kept a closely guarded secret from the British public throughout the war and for many years afterwards. The British people were told that only military and industrial targets were bombed, and any damage beyond that was unintentional. The true nature of British bombing of German cities and civilians was revealed in 1961 in a book titled Science and Government by the physicist and novelist, Sir Charles Snow. The following passage from the book was immediately translated and published in several languages: “Early in 1942 Professor Lindemann, by this time Lord Cherwell and a member of the Cabinet, laid a cabinet paper before the Cabinet on the strategic bombing of Germany. It described in quantitative terms the ef ect on Germany of a British bombing of ensive in the next eighteen months (approximately March 1942-September 1943). The paper laid down a strategic policy. The bombing must be directed essentially against German working-class houses. Middle-class houses have too much space round them and so are bound to waste bombs; factories and “military objectives” had long since been forgotten, except in of icial bulletins, since they were much too dif icult to find and hit. The paper claimed that-given a total concentration of ef ort on the production and use of aircraft-it would be possible, in all the larger towns of Germany (that is, those with more than 50,000 inhabitants), to destroy 50 per cent of all houses.” Angus Calder wrote, in his book, “The Peoples’ War,” 1969: “It may be Inconvenient History but England rather than Germany initiated the murderous slaughter of bombing civilians thus bringing about retaliation. [Neville] Chamberlain conceded that it [bombing of civilians and cities]was “absolutely contrary to International law.” It began in 1940 and Churchill believed it held the secret of victory. He was convinced that raids of suf icient intensity could destroy Germany’s morale, and so his War Cabinet planned a campaign that abandoned the accepted practice of attacking the enemy’s armed forces and, instead made civilians the primary target. Night after night, RAF bombers in ever increasing numbers struck throughout Germany, usually at working class housing, because it was more densely packed.” Britain devoted more of her resources to RAF Bomber Command than to all the other branches of the British military combined. Having discovered early in the war that it was nearly impossible to hit a small target such as a factory or a runway from high in the air, Bomber Command decided to concentrate entire air wings into bomber raids of a thousand planes at a time on German cities. To avoid airplane losses to German fighter planes and antiaircraft fire from the ground, these massive attacks were flown only at night at high altitude. The British gave up on military targets early in the war and decided to concentrate entirely on Germany’s cities, using the city centers as their aiming point. The city centers were the oldest part of the cities, dating back to the middle ages and beyond. In the city centers the streets were narrow and the buildings were close together, constructed mostly of highly flammable wood, covered with plaster, which ignited easily and burned furiously. The people in these old cities suffered agonizing deaths as they were fried, cooked, and broiled by the fires, or blown to pieces by the explosions.

The United States entered the air war in Europe in September, 1942 with air groups of B-24s and B-17s flying out of Britain. The United States at first did not attack civilians directly but attempted to carry out precision bombing of German factories and military installations. Whereas the British flew all their raids at night, the Americans did their bombing runs during daylight, to improve bombing accuracy. But “precision bombing” at high altitude was a fantasy, whether done during the day or at night, as more bombs invariably fell on areas surrounding the target than on the target itself. After a time, the Americans gave up on “precision bombing” and joined the British in “area bombing,” that is, targeting entire cities. By the end of the war, 1,000 German cities and towns had been bombed, with some 160 of the largest reduced to rubble. These cities and towns were among Europe’s oldest and finest; similar in artistic and cultural value to Florence, Paris or Rome. These destroyed cities contained the accumulated cultural treasures of centuries, including art, art galleries, statuary, architecture, libraries, museums, palaces, bridges, guild halls, churches and cathedrals. The accouterments of this highly developed culture which took a thousand years to build and accumulate were obliterated in minutes by the bombs. Of course, there was plenty of objection at the time to what was happening, though the vast majority of the public supported it. The liberal Catholic weeklyCommonweal, hardly a pacifist organ, early in 1944 denounced the policy of strategic bombing as “the murder of innocent people and the suicide of our civilization.” The London Times Review on the British official History of the Strategic Air Offensive, commented: One closes these volumes feeling uneasy, that the true heroes of the story they tell are neither the contending Air Marshalls, nor even the 58,888 of icers and men of Bomber Command who were killed in action. The heroes were the inhabitants of the German cities under attack; the men, women and children who stoically endured and worked on among the flaming ruins of their homes and factories, up till the moment when the Allied Armies overran them. This kind of savagery became self-perpetuating during the course of the war until all pretence of complying with the traditional “Rules of Civilized Warfare” was finally abandoned, as both sides tacitly adopted the principle that any act was justifiable if it held out even a remote possibility that it might stave off the awful consequences of defeat. But another factor was also at work in the pointless and senseless continuation of carpet bombing German cities and towns, even after victory was certain, and that was simple “inertia.” The massive bombing raids continued because that was what Bomber Command and the United States Army Air Force had been organized to do. Like any complex, dynamic organization, after a time the entire military industrial complex took on a life of its own and sort of ran itself. The aircraft assembly lines, both in Britain and America, cranked out a steady stream of new bombers. The bomb manufacturers ran their bomb assembly lines day and night. The aircraft fuel supply system functioned automatically, delivering aircraft fuel on time at points needed. The training commands continued to produce thousands of new pilots and air crewmen. Staff officers assigned to pick targets and to brief the bomber crews before takeoff continued to do their jobs. The entire military/industrial complex designed and organized to deliver thousands of tons of bombs daily on German cities worked like a giant machine on auto- pilot. No one had to tell it to do its job. Just the reverse. Someone in high authority would have had to tell it to stop. Even if someone had told it to stop, he would have met tremendous bureaucratic resistance. Moreover, those in command of the giant bombing apparatus, Churchill, Roosevelt, Air Marshall Harris, and General Hap Arnold, were inclined to continue the bombing, justified or not. Both Germany and Japan would have ended the war at any time with an armistice if they had been given the chance to do so, even as early as the spring of 1943. If that had been allowed to happen, the greatest majority of death and destruction would have been avoided. But the unconditional surrender policy of Roosevelt, supported by Churchill, made such an end impossible. The demand for unconditional surrender guaranteed that the long, grinding struggle which left much of Western Europe in ruin, with millions dead, would continue to the bitter end. Churchill and Roosevelt, not Hitler, were responsible for that. In the summer of 1943 when Churchill was about to leave London to meet Roosevelt at a conference in Quebec, a reporter for Time magazine asked Churchill, “Will you offer peace terms to Germany?” Churchill, in a jovial voice, answered back, “Heavens, No! They would accept immediately.” Everyone laughed. Near the end of the war, most of the big cities and towns in Germany had already been destroyed so small towns and villages were now being targeted for no reason except that they had not been bombed before. Thousands of innocent German civilians suffered horrific deaths every day and every night for no reason except the whim of the staff officer who more or less arbitrarily chose their town as that day’s target. Everyone employed within the giant bombing apparatus continued to do the job they had been assigned to do, and no one in authority told them to stop, so the bombing continued, day after day, night after night. Norman Stone, Professor of Modern History at Oxford, wrote in the Daily Mail: “Already, by 1944…(W)e went on bombing German cities months and months after it had been clear that we would win, and that Stalin would be as potentially deadly an enemy. Some of the bombing was just pointless. In the last days of the war, we struck at the old gingerbread towns south of Wurzburg, where there was no military target at all … just refugees, women and children. Of these acts of gratuitous sadism, the worst was the bombing of Dresden.”

@@d.k8746 Thank you for this information. As it should be with all issues, we should know also the other side. Regards

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