The Brand New 2025 Yamaha R9 Has a BIG Problem 

I'd buy a gsxr over the r9 but we no longer get the 750 in Aus. I'm seriously considering an r9 still though.

Tbh i prefer R6 and to me the horsepower is imported

This bike has to be the biggest disappointment in recent memory. Really I wasn't surprised at all, just the hopium had me delusional. A GSXR 750 will stomp this thing hard and will most likely last twice as long. This is how things are now.

The other flaw is the price.

My mt09 or this r9 for the streets... Definitely the gsxr 750 on track or big open road... Anybody else like the black/yellow gsxr

you can tell the ones who ride track and no a little bit in comparison to the ones who just hear words

Yea what a crazy concept, it’s almost like people want to get the best performance without spending a ton on it. What a weird concept.

People who want more power are like children who want everything to have more sugar in it.

@@aluisious that is the dumbest analogy I’ve ever heard 😂

@@hashslingingslabber859 I congratulate you on your charmed life

absolutely lol. people are so worried about spec sheets these days when most riders cant max out a ninja 400s performance in anything other than a straight line. start keeping up with me through corners then we will talk power numbers.

@@eksnacks6030fr

I agree except for the 40 number. If you live where its hot or at high altitude, 40 to 45 isn't going to cut it. 55 to 60 hp is the bare minimum IMO and the A2/LAMS BS is really the only reason we have suffer with less than 50 in the USA. Even a carbed 500 could do 50+ hp back in the day, modern 400 and 500 twins should be at 55 to 60 hp minimum.

@@glsracer Idk. I recently did a 700 mile road trip on my friends clapped out ninja 300. I was blown away with how much fun I had. I thought I'd hate it. Far from it. It was weirdly fun having less power. Dropping into 4th and pinning it just to barely pass someone doing 90 on the highway? 10/10

for real. I ride a 2015 R3 which makes maybe 42 crank HP. its a whole lot of fun. idk how id react to a bike with nearly 3x the power.

117 is low. yeah it is exceeding a super but alot of us who are thinking of getting out of the 600, I.E. my lady on her 650 SV, class on the track were wanting alot more from this.

Most people are stupid and can only understand one number that they'll never even use anyway.

@@nicholaspulley6493 Boo hoo if only there were lots of other bikes she could buy. Also you said she's getting out of 600, "ie 650," which is some clueless shit to say.

The huge issue with the the cp3 is that people are falsely overstating the gains from tunes and always have. Tunes on the latest cp3 deliver next to nothing in power but they do deliver the perception of power by altering the throttle maps and reducing the engine braking. So people believe that their bike has been transformed when it hasn't.

@@MrBCRC Totaly ignore tune maps from profesionals that are getting 120+ from the CP3, cause obviously you know more than someone that owns tuning businesses

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@@dewdrop3009 bahaha you right

@@jameskelly2419that man knows his chef 😂

The gsxr 750 is also as old as Methuselah

@jameskelly2419 don't get me wrong I love that 4 cylinder wail but I also love that 3 cylinder growl. Thise cp3s with a proper exhaust sound beautiful to me.

I liked it tho, people does have different preferences.

Agree those winglets are hideous

So so much thank you for saying that, even I never liked those wings hanging around what rather would be a slick looking mean machine. Those structure may perform a function on race track but on a street bike, it just make them look Ugly as hell !!!

You're crazy. I don't disagree, but it's not stupid if it works. Yamaha CLAIMS that they add 5-6% downforce in a straight line and 10% while cornering. If the ZX6R had the same electronics package, I'd get one too.

Not as absolutly wierd like the new ducati V4. I saw it in person and didnt know if i was looking at a airplane ot a bike.

And if we look to the mt09 as an example, the gxsr750 will be dusting the r9.

@@hashslingingslabber859 If you go full rpm, of course.

@@constantinosschinas4503 I think I misread your op. I thought you were saying it was gonna be faster because you need to rev out the 750.

Should've compared it to Triumph Street Triple 765RS tbh

@@hashslingingslabber859R9 should be faster when you go low mid rpm. That is what i meant casual sport riding.

Yeah but we don't care about legal 😂

@@mark675goddam street squid😂

With all the electronics, yamaha are promoting this as a track bike. Legally usable power isn't even a discussion point.

Z900 is better! 💪

Yeah, YOU can’t use half of the power cause you are scared. Just buy 125cc and you wont commit a felony, why do you even need 120hp?

"A boring inexploitable 1000cc inline 4 on open roads"

@@PetSounds38 said no one ever😂

This is true, but not everybody wants to put around on a 1000cc race bike. Tbh they dont even feel good if you aren’t pushing them

I don't think you get the ideia of this "middle weight'' bikes. And also, i doubt you even use 60% of what your 1k has to offer, unless you're pro driver and I really doubt that either..

@@stuka907 I’d venture to say that the point of any bike isn’t to use 100% of the power that’s not really a good method of measurement. But for me I much prefer to not have to absolutely wring a bike out just merging onto the highway. If I’m cruising around 1-3 gear does it for me. And the power is on tap if needed. But saying oh if you aren’t using 100% isn’t realistic and a bad example for newer riderss

It's the rear end I hate, that stepped up look is awful

If by "not sold" you mean that it looks fucking stupid, I'm with you.

I don't think it's bad. But I prefer to not have it. This trend must die.

@@aluisious I would call them stupid, but I kinda feel bad for the engineers that put in a lot of work to make the aero work properly.

MotoGP bikes use it. So it must be something useful. But you always can remove it. In the other side, people will buy aero winglets for their wingless bike.

Facts!

i love the looks of that bike

I’ll stick with my 01 Erion edition blade

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I got started with a miserly $1500. The results have been mind blowing I must say TBH!!

Yes, due to a short gearing, which is not so short on the r9

@@Allenamenwarenschonweg oh true that can help

I think people have warped a warped perspective on power figures for bikes. My first bike was an SV650 with 76hp. Doesn't sound like much, and people are calling this a "beginner bike" or even "slow". But objectively speaking, the SV650 can do 0-60 in around 3.4s or 3.5s which is faster than a lot of Porsches, Ferraris and Corvettes. Having not looked it up, I think the MT09 would be something around 3.0s. That is blisteringly quick, by any standard.

Being able to wheelie it in the low gears isn't evidence. The mt09 is gutless above 150km/h and while aero plays a part, the peak hp on the engine is 500rpm short of the revlimiter. 130 horsepower cannot be easily achieved with "some mods".

@@TomHenksYT I raced one of those new C8 corvettes at a red light on my MT-09. It was neck and neck, I didn't realize how fast the new corvettes were and told him so at the next light. He didn't realize how fast the MT-09 was, because it looks like a smaller bike lol. But yeah, below 130-150km/hr the MT-09 is absurdly fast; in the lower gears, it's instant--almost violent--torque whenever you want it. I was thinking about selling my MT-09 for an R9, but I'm just not a fan of the looks. I'd rather buy an older used supersport and just use that on days that I'm in that kind of mood/track, and keep the MT for everything else.

They want this bike to last longer...

Sounds like you have knowledge on the subject, I was just reading some forum posts and it was clear the CP3 could be making around that stock if Yamaha did that themselves. As someone with a 675 daytona other thing that bothers me is the rpm, I love to rev my bike out to 14.4k, 10.5k just doesn't seem right for a sport bike. If MV can get a claimed 147hp out of their 800cc triple I don't see why yamaha couldn't get close with 90cc's more. And I disagree with the idea the motor can't take it, people turbo these motors for over 200whp. Yamaha just went cheap with the engine

They are playing to new Euro Specs.....it is pointless to make several bikes that will not be within. Euro 5 emission specs.

economies of scale. That'd mean a separate manufacturing process for the R9 only. Like this, the keep the cost down by making the same motor for MT, Tracer and R9. I also wanted 130hp+ :(

They just maximize the Profit margin

@@Backtothehat they aren't gonna act like yamaha any time soon it seems. They updated the cbr in japan and it's basically just like the older cbr but it looks better and it has tft, quickshifter, and cornering abs. There's talks that it'll be brought over for 2026

The current US CBR is 10 year old garbage why tf wouldnt you want the new EU version with more power, better suspension and electronics???

@@esh9x153 Not just Japan, it's also selling in Europe an most of the rest of the world too. Just not in the US for some reason.

then you just end up where you think you were 117 from the crank is around 110 from the wheel add the mods you are back to 117ish

@@JamieS1992realistically it’s much less to the wheel. I have a speed triple 1200 and it makes a claimed 180bhp and around 150 actually to the wheel. I’ve seen some mt09 dynos hit anywhere to 110-120 to the wheel, which is pretty good considering it’s not a super high revving bike

This platform has existed for 10 years. They make about 120 to the wheel on the high end and 70 ft lbs. No slouch but that’s it.

@@CorBor69 i find when you have more hp you lose more to the wheel my R6 was meant to be 116.8 from the crank i got 110hp on a dyno from the wheel stock so a loss of 7hp with all the mods etc i got 118.5hp right now the MT-09 engine is made for torque it can lose torque and add hp in the future and be around 130-140 from the crank

@@JamieS1992 i wish it was 130-140 to the wheel

R9 and r7 were born because emissions regulations. If not, Yamaha will still work with R1 and R6.

You can still buy a GSXR 750 in Canada 🇨🇦🍁

Wrong, the gsxr750 is also sold in Canada and maybe Mexico? not sure about Mexico.

Ive always felt that these competition categories should be "Average Global Showroom Price" rather than engine size.

The R9 is not a Supersport the GSXR is and is the most comfortable one made.

They're riding their motorcycles in their mom's basement in their imaginations, most of them. Some of them are going to even get a license, one day. Spec sheet warriors, most of them.

I don't know if you heard about MotoAmerica King of the Baggers, but they turned those monstrosities into race bikes. 😆

@magellanicspaceclouds I've heard about it yes but that's a different class of race

suspension setup, weight, aerodynamics, rider position - if you need a good example or torque vs horsepower watch something like an sv650 at a track day against 600s and 1000s, trust me it works haha

Most of his audience rides street so I assume that’s what he’s talking about. Cause in the streets, torque is going to be more fun/ useful. Something the revs to 16k is only fun at dangerous speeds for the street, but amazing on a track

because they are whales. Weight is everything. Even 50hp engine is gonna feel like a rocket in bicycle frame

Spec sheets are good for wiping your @55 on or for lighting fires. They tell you nothing about what a bike's like to ride nor how fast it is in the "real world" or how fast YOU can ride it.

So why buy a supersport then ????

@@Allenamenwarenschonweg exactly! A lot of people (and I mean, A LOT of people) buy supersports only to show off, or I guess there are a few that buy them because they like the look of a bike with full fairings.

@@Allenamenwarenschonweg Personally I would buy one still because I just like the look of it. A supersport looking bike with more street friendly torque and power would be right up my alley.....but that's why I already have my sport touring ADV bike....well minus the looks anyway.

when you ride 5 hp 50 cc bike trust me it is even worse than racetrack 😂🍿

The track focused electronics indicate that this bike is intended for the track and not the road. Taking that into account the performance of this bike is disappointing

Same for me. There isn’t many sport bikes for us 6’2+ riders unless we go full liter bike.

That the one thing im unsure about too, until i sit on it. Sure an aftermarket seat will come right away but the body-arm position seems to be a bit shorter overall, hopefully it wont feel cramped

I’ve got a 24” gsxr1000r. That thing is psychotic and I love it. But 120 hp and 70 ft lbs isn’t anything to gawk at. The cp3 platform making 55 ft lbs at 3k rpm is enough to get folks in a pickle when they don’t expect it. At least the gsxr wait til 8 or 9 to take flight. My tracer shot into the sky at 4500 and it’s nearly 100 lbs heavier and 2 inches longer than the R9.

4 Cylinders or Thumpers. That's all I will swing my leg over. My '19 Husky 701 SM takes me back to my childhood. If only it was a 2 stroke. I was born in the 80's when bikes and men still had balls. I miss the rowdy bikes of the past that are slowly being walked behind the barn.

@@ItzW3LDZ an mt09 could run your shit. I too like fast and bought a 1k because of it, but it ain’t a slouch

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@@jaredjensen2668 whoops. Forgive me, I had surgery this morning, and still not 100%.

Take a look what MV des with their triples.

@@DankoStojanovic ya, I know, but for $26k?

yea but they dont hold their value as well as a jap bike, especially yamaha. also triumph went full r-tard with the new daytona unfortunately. they give you any option you want with the street and speed line but oh no we cant have options when it comes to supersports

@yellowracer2179 real fake. Put it on a dyno and you'll cry yourself to sleep. Moores mafia tuned a 24' 750 and could barely squeeze 136 hp out of it.

@@danlford You misunderstood, I meant 150 hp in the engine = 135 hp on the rear wheel. Okay? 135 hp on the rear wheel is 16 hp more than the R9 in the engine. That says enough and is for me the decisive difference. The R 9 ist really a very good modern bike, but I like the GSXR more😇.

@@yellowracer2179 My bad. To me real hp is the hp actually hitting the ground. Its all good. that extra 16 hp is all the way at the top end. the r9 is gonna make more torque and its gonna be a lot lower in the rev range. I would assume that the r9 will feel like it has just as much power up until the 120 to 130 mph range and then the 750 will probable leave it. Im not spending enough time in those speeds for that to make a difference.

@@danlford Yes, thats alright. On the street the r9 has some more torque and there will be no actual dfference to the GSXR with the advantage of the elektronical devices of the R9. On the race track I prefer and appreciate the possibility of higher revs with the GSXR and in the whole the running culture and engine character of an inline four. At the end it is a question of taste and the difference between the two bikes will be slightly. For sure the R9 is the more modern bike. In respect to the slight difference between the two bikes in their performance as a whole, this is to my opinion a great compliment for the GSXR as a 13 year old bike in its construction and shows that the greatest difference is in regard to electronics and not to forget in emission regulations.😇

Useable power. 55 ft lbs available at 3k rpm. That’s great. At the end of the day it’s a street bike.

Then you haven't felt the torque of a hayabusa, which makes less hp than RSV4, V4S, R1M, S1K. I'd delete this comment.

Yes, exactly. Meaning you can have torque without the hp if it doesn't rev as much. And torque can be spread differently across the rpm range. My SV1000S has "only" 115hp but still makes 60ft-lbs the second I let go of the clutch. Are you gonna tell me that it's "the same" as an inline-4 600?

​@jaron5958 it all depends on the final drive ratio and the gearing, which has been increased in the r9 compared to the mt, without raising the max revs.

@@YoMomsDaBombDotCom so what you're looking for is a flat torque curve. Engines that typically rev high do produce more power as they have their peak torque higher in the rev range. Whereas, similar-sized engine can have similar torque numbers at low RPM but they'll lose that volumetric efficiency (and hence torque) at high RPM; therefore, it'll make less power than the former high-revving engine. Another important thing: Torque numbers are pointless unless gearing is considered. You know how torque drops as we shift up? That's the effect I'm referring to. High-revving engines are geared shorter, and that makes up for the lower crankshaft torque numbers Better aerodynamics can allow for taller gearing. Lighter weight can allow for taller gearing. Variable valve tech can allow for taller gearing. Point is: It's a multivariate problem that cannot be simplified to torque Vs BHP It pisses me off when marketing teams just give us peak torque number without any context, but it REALLY gets me mad when self-proclaimed "experts" and journos parrot those fallacies. They're all fooling the customers

Thats true I usually see people on 650s and 400s

@TuxedoChariot Exactly. I still see the single R1, S1000RR, ZX10, but it's definitely not like it used to be. Hell, I don't even see legit 600s that much, either. By the way the comments are sounding off, you'd think they're on those too.

Yeah, but they ride spec sheets 7 days a week! And everyone knows that one day, you're going to be riding through the twisties and out of nowhere Valentino Rossi is going to challenge you to a race. And if he's on a 120hp bike, you'll beat him on your 180hp bike, won't you?

ikr. Really not impressed that they have been introducing completely impractical winglets for the street that makes it merely a fashion for the ordinary consumer. I think they did this on purpose too so drops are that much more expensive.

@@ThermicLightjust makes it way more expensive to replace for the eventual drop, and considering so many people buy the ZX6R as their first bike there will be a lot of first timers buying R9s

Yes we can. It's a moped. 😅

Tech is nice to have ,when it works. You can stop,faster than ABS. The quick shifter may or may not work. Traction control can blow a fuse. Wheelie control,if it fails can kill you. People need to learn how to ride ,because target fixation is not a safety option tech !

I know exactly what you mean... it looks almost non-complete. I was thinking the same thing. It's because of the packaging of the engine with the frame. You can totally tell it's an MT-09 underneath.

SUZUKI is way better made than YAMAHA.