The Brutal Downfall of Billy Corgan's NWA 

Nice, will check it out.

I respectfully disagree with you sir I'd rather watch the nwa then wwe!

Why Downfall? 3 Months ago they got the second highest YT Video?

Great point. So many signed AEW or WWE deals.

Don't forget about Skye Blue, Melina, Zicky Dice & Mr. Anderson too

It isn't easy to sign stars when aew and WWE are signing everybody to lucrative, guaranteed contracts. They could have used some creative storytelling to create their own stars as they did with the Question Mark. With Dave L. gone, Billy is giving the fans a Gimp.

​​@@matthewdegraide2875 while few others like Nick Aldis, Allysin Kay, and Marti Belle returned to TNA with open arms 6:44

Not to mention Chelsea Green and Matt Cardona recently left

What about making Tyrus the top guy after the #PageFive and #MeToo thing?

That happened to AEW as well. They were on TV for around a year and then the pandemic started. But NWA's situation is not really about the talent roster or lack there of. It's their bad decisions that got them here. Really bad choices like Tyrus as the world champ! They still have some really good talent that can carry the company. Tyrus ain't it! Wrestlers like Thom Latimer, Trevor Murdoch, Aron Stevens and Chris Masters to name a few. NWA should've relied on them not a fat old dude who runs out of breath as he walks! Dude wasn't anything special at his prime. Let alone now....

Yeah like, I watched every episode of Powerrr every week just like I watched every episode of Dynamite and Dark at the time, and I was so excited to be able to watch wrestling again without the stain of Saudi blood money. I actually had forgotten it was the pandemic that killed them for me; I was just wondering when I loaded up this video "I remember they stopped making Powerrr, did they do like 'Season 1' and then make us wait for 'Season 2?' Well yes, sort of, in that they shut down rather than empty-arenaing it like the others and as a result I never watched again, sadly. Plus I think they stopped airing on RU-vid at some point? Maybe this video is going to cover that, haha.

@@MasterOfViewership Wasn't surprised though, Billy himself has expressed conservative views quite a lot in the past

I was hoping Eli Drake would beat Nick Aldis for the NWA Championship and it ended up being Trevor Murdoch...

At single digit age I found out there was more than WWF for wrestling and became very interested. NWA and later pre nwo WCW were my favorite. When I was a teen. TV38 in Detroit introduced me to other promotions also. I wanna see almost all of them succeed, especially NWA.

Vince bout to come in as a silent partner and revamp it, lol

​@@adamreno3653 The more that succeed. The better for the business as a whole.

That's a very valid point.

The Ten Pounds of Gold series rekindled my interest in the NWA. The buildup between Aldis/Rhodes was epic. The NWA hasn't produced anything close to that since Dave Lagana left the NWA.

dr tom and kenny produce everything

And without nick Aldus being on good terms with Billy. There is no empowered 2 ppv. Because Mickie james was the main success behind it. So Mickie not gonna work with Billy & disrespect her husband.

It is highly hypocritical to give to world title to tyrus & television title to Thom Latimer, seeing tyrus was exposed for sexual harassment & Thom is a know women beater.

But they need to bring back into the fire

Yes, wanting to actually make money, how terrible of them. It's funny how fans want the promotion to exist, and entertain them. And want them to be able to afford to bring in more "name stars". Yet scream to the heavens when they can no longer watch it completely for free on YT. They're "big fans", but don't actually want to support the promotion with their own $$$$$. This goes for MLW as well.

​@@Retrorevelations Facts.

Well, that's a lie, she'd wrestled for many other promotions before that.

@@markv1274 Hell I knew her first as Cobra Moon from Lucha Underground

@Mark V it's not a lie it was him reminding people who signed her first before AEW did 😅

and before wwe they were all in roh, njpw, impact or any indie promotion, this ex wwe thing is just stupid

Exactly people always crap on aew and tna for signing ex wwe guys like wwe didn’t build their company off of doing the same thing

​​@@jdh3956honestly, I feel like the problem is when they were hiring washed up WWE wrestlers like Lex, the Nasty boys, or Kevin Nash.

Yup. Because you can't expect someone to pay for something the minute free is introduced into the equation

Showing on RU-vid got me back into watching pro wrestling again. When that went away from YT I have no reason to follow.

And now they've been dropped and are once again on YT. Except they show pieces of the program instead of the entire show. This kills any continuity. If other wrestling companies, like Memphis, can show their shows start to finish NWA needs to do the same. For that matter if WOW, which is truly awful wrestling, can get a spot on late night on The CW surely the NWA can find someone somewhere to carry their show even if it's on at 3AM. I have to think it's mismanagement

You are forgetting about NWA going WOKE on Jim Cornette. When they 'canceled' Jim Cornette viewship crashed. I was one of them who never missed a show up until that point. I promised NWA that I would never again spend a nickel on NWA until they gave a public apology and I never have. It is my understanding that they have never again achieved the viewership that they had during the short run with Cornette. Go WOKE, Go BROKE. And it's deserved.

Good Days😌

Lmao Tyrus won the championship... nah man.. it's sad but nah

Right. I also think them moving from RU-vid to FITE and their pay system and eventually back to RU-vid hurt them a lot too.

@@pbs216 Yeah I forgot to mention that as well that did them no favors whatsoever.

Not to mention pushing virtual unknowns and midgets like Renaldo. They might as well just have hired Hornswoggle. At least people actually know who Swoggle is, and would have made more sense.

Lagana was also part of the problem.

Nowhere did it show so badly than the NWA vs AAA "world is a vampire" Tyrus match of just how past it he is. He seemed gassed, just getting to the ring. Knox and Murdoch (as just two examples) move better than Tyrus. As for the person commenting about Ronaldo, agree, but at least they haven't gone to the low depths of MLW's Microman... That's beyond "suspension of disbelief"....

All done by Jocephus, r.i.p.

@@mandy018 now I love them even more ❤️

That really is probably the exact moment it started. I like Pantera but that song did not fit and kind of made me cringe, which isn't the feeling you want at the beginning of a show

Facts

That little short dude?

@@MyNameIsUnavailable more or less lol.

Rather have Trevor Murdoch.

i remember that there was a planned main event between marty scurll and nick aldis in macon, georgia as it was going to be their first show in a small arena and there was buzz. plus, marty was quite hot despite not being signed to AEW because he was still contracted to new japan. what happened to scurll sucked though he apologized for what happened and had the pandemic not happened and were able to resolve these issues involving speaking out. marty scurll not only would be NWA world heavyweight champion but i also think he would've elevated the company to new heights. instead, we get an immobile fat fuck who could barely go as the world champ and NWA is now a fucking joke.

That "little short dude " was a beast and his ring style fit the old NWA style well, as the ties to the past was one of their main features.

I don't know which is worse - that, or Tony Khan's creative "control" in AEW. Actually, I'd probably say TK, but only just.

@@bury_the_elite65294 TK probably because of the spot he's gotten himself into. And that's the number 2 promotion right now, NWA was never going to be in that spot.

@@maxxdahl6062 nah imagine thinking this lmao is that why Tony got a new show on tnt ? Bro Tony creates controversy that ppl talk about lmao I have never watched nwa but im always watching AEW and wwe and AEW is always in my feed and always talked about just as much as wwe now that’s because Tony knows how to get his company over. honestly Tony’s booking is much better than it has ever been I’m hyped for the pillers 4 way tonight

@@LILJAYSO777 Bro tony creates boredom and embarrassment, the people running Turner also have not one zero clue about wrestling.

@@LILJAYSO777 I'll never spend a single cent on anything that abortion of a promotion ever puts out until they get someone to run the place who knows what they're doing.

"better not be someplace WOKE bruthur, make sure that audience is dead asleep"

Gymnasium how about a ring set up In a local park.

You guys seems really desperate to justify voting for the president who destroyed the country. This ain't it

Corner store car park

@@stephenrobinson8244 Abandoned Junk yard

I agree

They just released a new album Atum, “a rock opera in three parts”, LOL.

I think everyone came back to The Pumpkins, aside from D'Arcy. They always seem to have an excuse not to.

He wants to be one of The Backstreet Boys? Ok, I'll see my way out.

The Smashing Pumpkins were right down there with the Gulf War as one of the worst things about the 1990s

@@markv1274 uh. no. they were one of the biggest rock bands of that decade. just say you dont like them and you're not a fan. because your actual comment is not a fact, its an opinion. 40 million people would agree with me on that.

This is what i'm thinking as well. Seemed like WWE and AEW bought up most of the top talent so they were left with a limited roster and guys like Tyrus so interest died. Plus the pandemic probably hurt it since they're a smaller company.

Kamille is all they have left. Once she loses that title and eventually goes to either AEW or WWE, it’s over for the NWA. She is literally the only thing keeping that company afloat.

Kamille is talentless lol

For the life of me, I don't know what anyone sees in Kamille. I have nothing against her at all but as a wrestler, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate her as a 3 or a 4 at best. There are so many outstanding women wrestlers out there... Kamille hardly rates when compared to Charlotte Flair, Becky Lynch, Britt Baker, Thunder Rosa, Rhea Ripley, Allie Recks, Sasha Banks, and the list goes on. HOWEVER, to her credit she has come a long long way since she first appeared on NWA as a Mute Gladiator type. She was pathetic back then.

That title at one point was the most prestigious in wrestling....💯.....miss them days....😢

bingo!

"cancel culture". Ok.

cornette was ousted cuz that joke was racist as fuck

What do you think brutal downfall means? Downfall means something has gone down. Meanwhile brutal has multiple definitions typically people link it to its savage and violent definition, but it’s actually most commonly used in modern language to refer to something that is unpleasant. A company going from acclaim to a joke with a number of controversies isn’t something I would describe as pleasant hence unpleasant. So I’m really lost at where you think he’s wrong with the title

​@El cactus de la muerte it's just my opinion chill dude 😅

@@wweminehead5458 not sure where I wasn’t chill tbh? Still curious where your opinion comes from as you’ve yet to explain it

At present, if you evaluate the matches, there's certainly some very hard working talents there. It's gotten BETTER since the lockdown, and I'm still interested in what's going to happen next.

I agree that brutal was partially just a buzz word but it has declined greatly. I too was excited in the beginning but I feel like Billy over focusing on the nostalgia element and being so linked to the past and putting the belt on the former dancing/ wrestling dinosaur was a huge mistake especially when they had guys like James Storm. And feel like they should have been able to make a deal with some of the talent they lost to AEW

No, the big reason is that the show lost money. And it was a vanity project for Mickie James. Why should NWA waste money on another "all female" event, when they feature female talent pretty heavily on their regular shows? There's no sense losing money. WWE lost money on their all women PPV too.

Lmao

Lol Murdoch sucks

🤔 Don't stop. I'd like to see where you're going with this. 🍗

You *_C A N_* make stars without money. You just can't *_K E E P_* them without it. 💯

Nobody wants to buy a franchise like you've suggested, because the business in America is in the toilet. Unless you're Vince, forget about it. As for Tony, he's just spending daddy's money hand over fist, still too early to tell. Anyone who already has money made that money from something other than wrestling. They're not going to invest it in a wrestling franchise. Notice how these multimillionaire wrestlers aren't starting their own promotions? They invest in other things. Corgan has no idea how to promote wrestling. He's not good at coming up with names and gimmicks that will reach a huge audience. He relies on nostalgia from the 1980s, which will be lost on anyone born this century. Additionally, some local television types just hate wrestling. Basically, that's the reason why British wrestling was kicked off the air in 1988. Someone at the station just didn't like it. Tell the average person in the street that you're a wrestling fan, see what response you get. Now try walking into a television station, even a local one, ask that wrestling be put on television. Unless you're Vince, they'll laugh you out of the building. Vince has practically monopolised wrestling Stateside as well as in Canada. The best chance a promoter has is to establish a wrestling promotion in a country that isn't already flooded. That rules out Japan, a country with an absurd amount of promotions. Mexico already has a couple of deeply established companies with solid followings. That leaves Great Britain, Australia, parts of Europe, and maybe a few other countries. American is saturated with wrestling and other entertainment options. Investing elsewhere is a much safer option.

@@markv1274 All fair points, but it's still real to me dammit.

At this point nwa IS a low grade promotion itself Selling me and many on tyrus is like asking tyrus to pass on a donut

That means he would've valuated the company at $100MILLION 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Probably will be EC3 which wouldn't bother me either.

New doesn’t mean bad. I actually love the NWA my only issues with it is Tyrus as champion as he isn’t that good and doesn’t defend it but everything else I think is great I actually like it more then AEW and WWE plus Control Your Narrative actually works better as a faction then a promotion and is really good to.

​@@landen3994 NWA is a joke

@@ericb9252 you can have your own opinion

@@landen3994 I'd be VERY down on Tyrus too, IF I didn't see how much better shape he's gotten into. He's taking this opportunity very seriously. They are letting him play the "final boss" for awhile, and I imagine whomever dethrones him will be a bigger hero yet for doing so. Whether you LOVE or HATE a wrestler, you need to feel something. At present, there's a few guys who are really winning over the fans. Perhaps one of them will ascend to the top.

Both of his personas were amazing on the 10 pounds of gold stories. He was one of the reasons I tuned in to powerrr in 2019.

matt cardona should be NWA world champ right now. it sucked that he got hurt but he was someone that actually drew eyeballs. him being fired by wwe was the best thing for him as his work in the indies and GCW has made him a made man. instead, they gave it to a funkasaurus who can't wrestle for shit. no wonder nick aldis left.

*couldn't

And while I consider myself a leftie, some took his firing as the company going too "woke" I guess it's been what it is ever since

​@@leelohaskin7941 Jim Cornette is a leftist too. ... to the point of openly being a hater, especially of Christian ethics and President Trump. Ironically, it is primarily the legions of moral Christians and Trump supporters who are ALSO fans of Cornette who stood with him and opposed the WOKE bullshit that NWA (Dave Lagana, Billy Corgan, and Nick Aldis) threw his way. And, yes, I am one of them. In my opinion, anyone who plays the woke game totally deserves to go broke, broke, and broke.

And yet some of them put on great matches still.

How tf is an announcer a bigger attraction than the talent in the ring? Besides, Cornette is a racist that deserved to get fired.

Also that CYN cross promo didn't help.

The most important thing as a wrestling promoter: the *names* of your wrestlers. Don't worry about the wrestlers wrestling, they'll show you that they can wrestle. I mean when you're a promoter, you've got to have *names* for your wrestlers. I've never liked Corgan, and never cared for his group, The Smashing Pumpkins. It was indy poser music for privileged kids who wanted to seem edgy. Awful name for a group, and their albums tended to have awful names, too. Well, that might work for kids who think that the more cryptic the name of something is, the better it must be. Might work in the world of pretentious, mass-marketed pseudo-rebellion, doesn't work in pro wrestling. Wrestlers have names like 'Killer' and "Crusher.' It's really quite simple. You can have the most talented wrestlers available, yet if the *names* don't capture the imagination, that's a problem (and while on on the topics of music and the NWA, the name "Dokken" comes to mind). Corgan didn't realise that. Look at some of those old time wrestlers, they didn't necessarily appear to be the most intimidating people in the world, yet they had names that looked good on a marquee. Corgan is the type of person who would book Tyrus at the expense of, say, Ray 'The Crippler' Stevens (just imagining that the two are from the same era). The name "Tyrus" says nothing to me. Doesn't matter what he may look like, because if I'm flicking through a wrestling magazine or walking past a marquee, and I see that name, it says nothing to me. The name of the company is another liability. As you said, the NWA finished 40 years ago. People these days associate the letters "NWA" with a certain rap group, not a wrestling company. It just causes confusion and chuckles. The fans who *are* familiar with the old NWA know better, they know the group of promoters that formed the NWA hasn't existed in decades. Turner bought out Crockett, and like it or not, the lineage of the NWA was absorbed into WCW. A good promoter would start something new and go in a different direction. Recording in front of a minuscule television audience is another problem. It looks strictly small-time. It's even worse when Corgan shows his Powder-looking face on camera. People are like, "Corgan's a millionaire, right? So, why the low budget production?" They surmise that Corgan is just half-arsing it, they're not interested, and they go back to watching Celebrity Strip Poker or whatever it is. Doesn't matter if Corgan's leftover fans from the '90s don't like it, these are facts. You need to have wrestlers with catchy names, names that grab the imagination, and a product that looks like it cares about itself.

At this point the only thing tyrus looks like he can beat up is his next dunkin donut

I hate Fox News and all, but taking that out of the picture entirely, that's a damn good sum up of "Tyrus". He was never anything special in the ring, even for a big man. Not a good a worker as someone like Earthquake, no presence of someone like Vader, not surprisingly athletic like a Bigelow. Even when he was in the WWE he wasn't as good then as guys like Bronson Reed or Otis are today. He'll, at least Mark Henry had that dope promo and the Hall of Pain run.

No, man. Billy Corgan is in Smashing Pumpkins. William Patrick Corgan runs the NWA. Totally different guys. 😂😉

Gaagz the Gymp was the beginning of the end for me. I stuck around for a while longer but it only got worse with James Mitchell, what they did to Sal Rinauro, and the whole Miserably Faithful thing with those guys and Max the Impaler. Then there's Pollo Del Mar. Now they have Yabo the Clown and I'm done.

Lol I can enjoy some of that but it is criminal not to build young stars. Billy has to stop putting over the oldest guys he can find. That’s my problem and why the recent Crockett Cup was trash. Burying young guys and even tag champs to push Trevor, Knox, Tyrus, EC3 ect. It’s a slap in the face to guys like Odinson, Silas, Brady, ect.

They lost them due to the pandemic because everyone needed money asap from such

Absolutely. Josephus and Cornette had BIG followings! Cornette's podcasts have upwards of 300,000 subscribers on RU-vid, and many of them are loyal fans.

You mean beer cans that mock women? Where is Rachel Dolezal's beer can, celebrating her "transition?" Oh, that's right. You actually *care* about mocking poc, while you don't even consider women and girls human. Just a costume. Fuck outta here, MRA. And fuck fox, the right, and Tyrus too. So don't try to use whataboutism as an excuse when you get called out for mocking women, woman hater.

Oh no does the brainlet have hurt feels? Don’t be mad conservatives can actually achieve something while you promote grooming.

What ever

He brings the title to fox news for his political bullshit? Bbaaaaahahahaaa. What an embarrassment.

The minute they put the belt on him was the beginning of the end. If I were Nick Aldis, I would've left too knowing that I was getting passed up for Tyrus.

I wouldn’t call Kamille mid she is over as hell and is actually good in the ring.

@@landen3994 She's very mid and has been boring AF

​@@landen3994Yeah. Kamille is about the best thing going in NWA right now.

To like him, but now he is just garbage who thinks he's better than he is.

Is there a Dava Lagana-esque genius even out there?

And yet both promotions, oddly enough, are still chugging along just fine, for as "bad" as some of you seem to think they're doing.

Madusa is like 60 plus years old dude.

Hell yeah. He's the only one on here who reminds me of the old days. His style, look... very reminiscent of Dr. Death, Gory, etc.

I don't get why they don't show Silas Mason more.

@@grunt-sw8si absolutely I saw him perform with my partner who isn't really into wrestling and by the end of his showing she was laughing her head off and booing him like she's been watching for years He definitely gets the most out of the crowd

I've mentioned this elsewhere: a wrestler needs a good name. "Silas Mason" is a horrible name. When I searched it online, first person who came in a picture up was some kid who plays basketball in college. So not only is it a bad name for a wrestler, it's not even original. Doesn't matter what you and your partner think, it's a bad name. Too many fans pop for this wrestler or that wrestler, yet never step back to see the big picture. It's the different between Sylvester Ritter versus John Minton, and The Junkyard Dog versus Big John Studd.

He is great but Billy refuses to build him. The manager needs to go as well. Bet that was Billy’s idea too. They lost me when Silas lost in a gimmicky way to EC3. When you can’t perform at 100%, you don’t need to be near a title. It showed in his next match with Latimer. EC3 is still great at promos so there are ways to use him.

The first modern day 1,000 day reign champion....

@@Christopher-nl2kb sadly not many people talk about it

Aaron Stevens and The Question Mark were really a high point with their quite simple comedy shtick. RIP Josephus

Taking the title off Cardona was a huge mistake as well, Trevor Murdoch was a boring champion. He's still better than Tyrus, but not much

Josephus was a great character a main event star in the making and they made him a comedy act granted it did get over and it turned out great but the Josephus character deserved better

@@JM-fr5ge You may be right, but I'm willing to bet Josephus was having the time of his life doing those bits with Aron.

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