@@semperfidelification He was the Chancellor of England Not the Chancellor of Religion. It’s against the law to overthrow a govt. that’s when. Also u are trying to compare today with 500yrs ago. Way different.
@@semperfidelification So is every govt official today who puts people to death by capital punishment a religious nutter ? LoL. You are sadly mis informed. Movie of the Year 1966 Man For All Seasons.
@Fayth Osborn True, however Mark Smeaton was her musician at court who was one of the accused men she allegedly slept with but she didn’t why, well in her own words she declared to poor Mark that she would not address him with respect because he is an “inferior person” meaning a commoner or peasant, so that’s why you should not defend someone who considers themselves superior based on birth or social status but that’s how they all think, still do as well.
He is not as popular here in the Philippines, a Catholic Country. A priest actually talked about his life, he did not implied St. Thomas More's name. I told my Mom the priest is talking about St. Thomas More, patron of lawyers.
@@pinkknight9 I used to belong to an international group of St. Thomas More fans (if that is the appropriate word; not all of the members were Catholic or religious) called Amici Thomae Mori. It published a periodical called Moreana by scholars and had regular meetings. Might still be in existence. Yale University published the complete works of St. Thomas More, of which I still have several volumes. The play by Robert Bolt, A Man for all Seasons, has been made into a couple of movies, the better of which is the one starring Charlton Heston.
He is the Patron of lawyers and of statesmen. He knew what morality and ethics were. Playwright Robert Bolt (A Man For All Season) considered More the very first existentialist philosopher. The only kingdom one may rule is ones self.
What an absolutely ignorant comment to post! He was responsible for the merciless torture and murder of numerous people who would not succumb to the catholic church. Your ignorance is the reason why this oppression has not been stopped for centuries! Thomas More deserved execution but a truly Christian jury would have acquitted him of the charges in hopes he would repent of his evil crimes and be baptized into love and truth!
Depending on the actions/mood of King Henry VIII , being at "court" could be dangerous, even a friend, trusted, advisor and "Man for all Seasons" was not safe.
Wow! I did ancestry DNA, made a tree, and this man is my 11th great grandfather! Couldn't believe it after doing all the research. Thanks for making this video!
It seems like brutality and horrors are the default or human nature and I believe it is more prevalent that any of us like to imagine. I have a theory, a strong suspicion, that the ever present notion in literature and religion and art of the battle between so called good an evil is an expression of the battle between civilization and nature, which I believe is a problem that is the inevitable result of the great gap between the time scales of evolutionary progress and technological or intellectual and academic progress, meaning that according to the snail that is evolution we are still on the plains and in the caves and playing with stones. That's what an alien might decipher if all it had to go on was the DNA of some person and he tried to reverse engineer what our world must be like. We have an enormous evolutionary heritage that was acquired along the very long way up the tree of life to the point of technological and societal revolution which literally picked us up out of the jungle and dropped us on our asses in an apartment block in downtown wherever. That's what I refer to as the gap. Back to the point, If you look at parts of the world today that are way behind in civilization, you find these things. And in first world countries they exist as anomalies good for the news. In some places horrors don't even make the news. So I think there is actually a world of everyday horrors in third world countries that most of the world is totally unaware of. I live in South Africa which is an inbetween country. Nobody could really decide if it's third world or not. But in using todays terminology, definitely developing and not developed. So we have a couple of horrors here too. One of them is necklacing in vigilante justice. I'll never forget a 20 something naive white coworker one day telling me of something incredible he found out about our country on youtube. He always had a creepy story and had a macabre curiosity and internet addiction like me. And he began explaining the process of necklacing. And I looked at him in amazement the whole time because I could not believe that he grew up here and he only found out about it's existence yesterday on youtube as a grown man, meanwhile vigilante justice is an everyday thing of which one method is the necklace. Yep, every day. In this manner I believe the world is teeming with every day or maybe hourly horrors and acts of incomprehensible violence, the kind that makes people lust for it and go raving as a mob looking for it, and we only ever see the tip of the iceberg in media and thats only if we are particularly curious about the macabre. But who could know the true scale of the violence in the world?
Absolutely so indeed, those times were brutal and awful and very corrupt, and those who were involved in the death of St Thomas More, all were executed accordingly, God bless his Holy Soul
One account describes the executioner as being close to tears and begging forgiveness....More placed a comforting hand on his shoulder and said "Thou canst do me no greater benefit in this world, pluck up thy spirit man and be not afraid to perform thine office...."
Pope Pius XI is known as a man of integrity, so there must have been some theological reason for making More a saint. It is unbalanced that this video mentions his support in the Anglican Church, but not his role as a Catholic saint.
I love English history! I love the informational videos you do! Thank you, and hope you have a good , blessed new year! Thanks brother! J.R. Michigan, US@
Beheaded with just one blow, Thomas was a lucky man, the number of blows depended on the executioner's mood towards the victim , it was a show off, to kill with just one blow was the equivalent of Mike Tyson ending the fight in the first round, no fun for the crowd.
Have you ever seen the REAL ax that was used? It's in the Tower, in a glass case. It was a "kindling" ax, completely unsuited to behead anyone. All these Hollywood executioners with huge headsman's axes are all nonsense.
LOL, the dream of utopia survives the title's author all these centuries after the fall of the Lannisters... Along with impish cruelties from those whom succor would normally be expected. Pity the good and persevering, such as yourself, in such a sick humored kingdom.
@@sassytbc7923 I’m really not laughing at his death... I just thought the reference of the joke was funny. But I’m fully conscious this was a real man who suffered a bad death... however he was not a saint either, regardless doesn’t make his death right but speaking realistically.
Oohkay interesting. I’m directly related to Thomas More (I’m passionate about ancestry and have been working on it since 2013). Really interesting, thank you!
I’m not sure how long that side was old English Catholic but my grandpa was an agnostic who became a Christian later through the marriage of my grandma. So no I’m not old English Catholic.
The torture is done in other ways, hand cuffs, tazers, taxes, illegal mandates, laws that are unconstitutional, fear propaganda from government. If you really look at medical.....you would see the torture inflicted on people. The torture is accepted by government and citizens.
Foxe's Book of Martyrs which promoted the protestant black legend against Saint Thomas More is now known by historians to be an exaggerated piece of fake news.
@@punkwrestle "exactly" i don't know... But i do know that he used the same illustrations to describe several different executions. You can read about it here www-patheos-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.patheos.com/blogs/davearmstrong/2016/03/inaccuracies-of-anti-catholic-foxes-book-of-martyrs.html/amp?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16097179635061&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.patheos.com%2Fblogs%2Fdavearmstrong%2F2016%2F03%2Finaccuracies-of-anti-catholic-foxes-book-of-martyrs.html But more to the point. I notice you use the word "papist" which is a pejorative word. Ask yourself.. Are you still willing to live you life and attitudes through the lens of 16th century England?
Bibles weren’t banned. Misleading TRANSLATIONS were banned. The Prostitant Revolution (it was in no way a reformation), initiated by the bipolar, highly unstable Luther on HALLOWEEN, 1517, represented nothing less than a wicked mess of error and self-contradiction. It destabilized European society. By attacking the role and authority of the visible Church (the role of which had been to protect the natural rights of the common people), it paved the way for every totalitarian system to follow. By exalting personal conscience (regardless of whether the conscience was well-formed or malformed) over the authority of the teaching Church, Christian unity was torn asunder. And that particular Prostitant error led inexorably to the horrors of the French Revolution and other diabolical Freemason-inspired atrocities. I Prostitants killed Catholics and vice versa. But In England, the Catholics suffered degrees of magnitude worse than Prostitants because there were so many Catholics…. Until Henry VIII and his villains had accomplished an early form of genocide (in the north especially). What I think is most striking about these Prostitant revolutionaries is how UN-Christlike they were. It was never the nature of Christ to upset the established order or break the peace. Never. But Luther, Calvin, and the rest of these lunatics willfully rained down death, destruction, and terror throughout all of Europe. And to what advantage? None. Christendom was destroyed, and Christ’s Church was subjected to the fickle rule of the secular power.
I would love to be immune to everything during this error including not getting hurt. And go in to this decade for a few hours just to get a feel of what life was really like.
It’s important to remember, Moore believed as most did at the time, religion before everything, even before life itself. He believes what he was doing was Gods work and sending to god the souls to a second judgement. Though in comparison to Queen Mary, Moore is a saint
Accounts of a “bad” Thomas More are based on Protestant propaganda, such Fox’s “Book of Martyrs.” It is unlikely that More had any direct role in torture or execution of “heretics.”
The dude qualified as a lawyer back in the day. I can picture his business card : 'St Thomas More- crusade injury and leech negligence specialist lawyer. All cases undertaken on a no win, no duckets basis'
Henry the 8th was cruel but also was manupilate by cromwell also who close to him that the spirit of anne boylen anc cathrine howard jane seymore kathrine parr anne of cleves there spirit never left or rest
I enjoy watching these short documentaries about the executions of various ppl from history. I like watching longer videos but these are very informative nonetheless.
And for the hatchet job which he did on poor King Richard III, who lost both his crown and his life on Bosworth Field fighting against a bastard usurper from Wales called Henry Tydor?
William Tyndale's Bible translation provided over three quarters of the eventual. King James Authorised version, I think that qualifies him as by far the greater and more influential writer of the English language in that period.
Got anything to say about the atrocities of atheists like every leader of the Soviet Union, Chinese Communists, North Korea, Hitler and the Nazis, Socialists and Fascists just to name a few?
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Watching these videos one thing strikes me as being very strange, despite how brutal and primitive this society was the people seemed to speak so eloquantly and seemingly with such intelligence. Even moreso than you would find today.
today people don't have the intelligence and eloquent..we have politicians, a public school system of dumbing down, high illiteracy rate, more prisons(thanks to government), more crime, wars...shall I go on?
At this time period, the king was accuser, and judge at the same time. King didn’t need any proof nor evidence to accuse anyone he didn’t like of some made up crime and sentence them based on these lies to death.
@@markchambers3833 He's the same one I believe and wrote a lovely poem to his wife who recovered from small pox and was afraid to come out of her room because of pox marks. In England the spelling of the name Moore is Moore. Small pox spreads like wild fire, they all had it, but the artists didn't paint the pox marks on their paintings.
@@sallyspencer5624 One and the same guy, sadly a bit out of fashion these days. Thomas Moore does have the advantage over Sir Thomas More of not being a torturin' murderin' religious zealot. ;)
King Henry VIII's personality changed dramatically after he fell from his horse during a jousting tournament and suffered a hairline fracture of the skull. It's one of history's great ironies that the Duke of Norfolk, the religious conservative who sent Protestant upstart Thomas Cromwell to the block, was due to be beheaded himself on the day that King Henry VIII died of gangrene. So being a member of the Privy Council wasn't always the equivalent of a death sentence!
St Thomas More line was Immortal, " I die as Kings good servant but God's first". Few people have this kind of courage and grace to face death for Love of Truth and belief of God's Supremacy.😊
@@kevinastraw that's your opinion sir, I respect.... but St. Thomas More live his life in faith and he proves it true by accepting death and many saints did.
I detest vicious dictators like Henry VIII. Unfortunately there have been many like him throughout history, and only a few of them were overthrown and killed. Henry died basically of a natural death, perhaps hastened by some ailments which he contracted through his promiscuity.
@@philo5096 Indeed - what frightens and fascinates me is that such psychopathic/narcissistic tyrannts always find ways of getting control of people and things. Henry VIII did it by having people brutally and publicly executed as a deterrent to anyone who was even thinking about resisting him in any way. If he didn‘t have a reason to have a person executed, he set up a mock trial to have them convicted, typically of „treason“, which was his favourite crime, as treason was anything that didn‘t suit the king. The jurors knew that if they found someone innocent of which the king deemed to be guilty, then they themselves would soon be found guilty of treason too, and would be brutally executed too, usually by hanging, drawing, and quartering. Personally, I have experienced narcissists and psychopaths like Henry in my professional life, and in my private life, and they stop at nothing to have their own way. Fortunately such people today don‘t have the power that Henry had then. The more common methods used today by such people to get their own way are deception, swindle, lying, thieving, fraud, back-stabbing, and sometimes even (domestic) violence. People need to beware of the dangers of narcissists and psychopaths whom we meet in our daily lives, so as not to be used, abused, and robbed by them. They make up about 4% of the world‘s population.
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@Bosco's box More was certainly imperfect, and anyone who causes the human misery which he did is more deserving of the fires of hell than sainthood. More was 'martyred' because of his arrogance and no more deserves canonisation than I do.
Read Peter Ackroyd's wonderful biography of More before making lopsided judgements. More was not perfect, but he was a brilliant man at a violent time.
People needed to stop judging a mid 16th century man by today standards, yes what he did was brutal to the Protestants. People need to realize that Protestantism was a new religion at the time, that most Catholics didn’t view non Catholics as human beings but as heretics. Also like most Catholics in his time, they just have a completely worldview than we do today.
@denise bond I have thought about this. Today it is illegal to rob graves or dig them up. Unless they are old. In the name of archeology, or the possibility of finding treasure. In a thousand years from now, we will not be remembered and if there is an acceptable reason, they may dig us up.
That's never been a concern of Rome and they're still doing it, i.e. trying to saint the blood-thirty murderous Croatian bishop in WW2. Worse than any Nazi = Catholic saint.
It seems odd to me that Moore is considered a saint. We are told that he was against translation of the Bible, enabling the common to read the Word of God. He was ok with physical punishment and even killing of people he considered “heretics”. He had strong feelings about Henry VIII taking another wife, and declaring himself head of the Church of England. However, Henry VIII had some 70000 people executed during his reign, and that was just fine, I guess.
He was against an unauthorized translation of the Bible, and 95% of the people couldn't read anyway. You need to read real history, not protestant nonsense.
He should have verified its accuracy then, if it was such a big deal. The Word is for everyone, or it’s for no one. It’s not up to “holy” men as to who is “authorized” to translate the Word of God. It was men considered in a position of authority in the church that lobbied the hardest for Christ to die on the Cross.
@@jaytrace1006 Such a poor bigoted son of protestant nonsense. Do you read a translation of the JW Bible? WHY? Your "holy men" don't believe it's accurate. Think about it.
"The King's supremacy over the Church." There's no way King Henry VIII could have come up successful. Not even us in the East - who let the God-blessed Byzantine Emperor behind the Holy of Holies, and also gave much power to the right-believing Tsars - believe in any actual religious role, and it was said by the most faithful of them: "the highest Emperor is under the foot of the lowest Priest," often being buried underfoot of priests in Churches. Just look at the disaster of the Sixth Ecumenical Council for an example of where this goes wrong.
There may not be be headings anymore that we know of, however has much changed ? Worse was Margaret pole , several chops , Mary Stuart , head rolls off the platform after a few chops.
Henry the 8th is basically modern day far left. On one day you may be their friend, then the next forever their enemy. They always eat their own. it was as relevant back then as it is today.
