You mean like the sadistic, sick and insane American Lynchings that continued well into the 20th century? Where whole families would attend the torture and killing of innocent people? Some hoping to take home a body part of the victim for a souvenir. Pick up a book like "Without Sanctuary" if you want to see actual photographs of the work of the sick, sadistic and insane. Not just drawings from the 1600s. And no imagination required. They walk among us.
theres a lot of people in this world who just dont care. all the normal stuff you take for granted like love and empathy they dont have it. theyre just empty right through the middle, their souls are dead. your souls fragile and one act can destroy it. after that its easy tk do horrific things to others
You know, if I found out a buddy of mine had named me AFTER having spent a couple days on the rack, I probably wouldn’t even be mad at him. That shit is horrific.
If I was conspiring to kill the king and one of my crew got caught I would just disappear. Fuck waiting around for him to break and suffering the same fate.
@@JackAustin613 There wasnt messenger like nowdays for you to know. They did know what happened to him only that he dissapeared and that there was alarm in kings castle, roumers at best. Then one night some armed men would grab you from your house and escort you to London tower where you would see your friend mutilated in shackles. Too late then..
Frankly I have nothing but respect for him and his compatriots. Imagine being tortured for 2 days before giving up your friends, the signature shows how much pain he’s in. Clearly made of sterner stuff
@BLACKLUV I mean you just wouldn't get it. I mean I don't either, it's easy to assume when you've never had something like that happen to you. Who knew what his train of thought was, he must've been going insane due to the torture and all it took was one moment of weakness.
@bryanatwku so what you suggest they hold a peaceful protest back in the 17th century like it would’ve done anything at all lol. Their people were facing religious persecution and they wanted to do something about it
For those that don't know being caught "red handed" came from someone stealing and butchering another farmers pig, and being caught with the stolen pigs blood on their hands.
"...literally caught red-handed...." You mean he had red hands when he was caught?! Of course you don't mean that. He was *metaphorically* caught red-handed. Why not learn some English before inflicting your rubbish videos on the rest of us?
And because one of the conspirators was overheard bragging about the plot while drunk in a public house.......I’ve always said alcohol and drugs are the root of all evil! If only he had kept his gob shut and just had a peach and passion fruit J20 🤣
@@hombre6604 I believe people these days can't enjoy a good public torture anymore without either scrolling on their phones or making videos or selfies.
If Fawkes’ arms and legs were dislocated and sinews snapped on the rack, it would have been impossible for him to move, let alone climb the ladder to the gallows.
Exactly..he would've been in severe pain, certainly not the photo depicted in the clip, also cutting off of nail, genitals, broken fingers etc etc, i seriously doubt all this..
I watched a doco where they looked at racking through recreating it using an animal leg. Turns out the joints are really tough and it's the ligaments and tendons that give out first. They are ripped right off the bones first with the joint eventually giving out much later. So even if they stopped racking the victim there was irreparable damage done to the body's tendons and ligaments preventing the victim from being able to walk, or use their arms and hands. The pain Guy Fawkes endured is beyond comprehension.
Something not enough people here are bringing up is the fact that Guy wasn't the only person in history to suffer this torture, in fact it wasn't even like this was a rare form of torture only saved for the very worst criminals. *The rack was the single most widely used form of torture.* That fucking nightmarish horror was likely experienced by thousands of people in the least. Guy is probably the most famous victim of it since his plot was the biggest and he got his own day named after him, but never forget that what he experienced was not at all unique or rare. Plenty of people, including innocent ones, suffered these tortures, and that happened often for centuries. Never forget that
As a kid growing up in England I vividly remember the story of Guy Fawkes and how he was hung, drawn and quartered. Was that supposed to scare me? Teach me the consequences of going against the established order?
After everything they had already done to him, breaking an heroic man, and that they were about to kill him aswell (and hanging cannot be thought to be pleasant!) - they absolutely proved themselves monsters deserving of assassination.
They do it as a visual to others so they won’t do it. Many thought the more grisly the death the more deserved it was. So even a grisly accident victim must have had a hidden unknown reason for this happening to them.
@@whereswaldo5740 Maybe if they did this today there would be a lot less crime. Less victims of crime.Less people in jails and less expense for the tax payer keeping people in prison for approximately @ £30,000 a year per inmate. I wish I took home £30,000 a year myself from working.
@@andypeterson3070 no, every statistic throughout all of history has shown the severity of punishment has no effect on crime rates. Increased focus on rehabilitation does lower crime rates however, along with focus on education. Thus America's crime issue currently. Rehabilitation not a priority as longer sentences and more criminals make the justice system more money. However in the cases where rehabilitation proves impossible and the criminal to not be safe for society, the death penalty makes sense to me as a way to save money on someone not worth leaving to slowly die in a cell. That's still a death penalty, just a more expensive one. But it should be used very rarely, as evident from the fact even today, around 20% of executed criminals get acuitted after their deaths.
This part of history was brilliantly portrayed in the BBC drama Gunpowder, particularly the executions and torture sequences which were the most shocking I've ever scene dramatised in a BBC drama
If I had to choose. I’d rather take my chances on the Rack than having to listen to some weeping backstory about a bloke who’s always wanted to sing, ‘boot me ma is alweys needin’ ‘elp wid’er medical bills.”
@Gísiu Wulf I give up mate. Sadly I dont speak the same language as people who have been dead for centuries, and RU-vid on the phone pathalogically refuses to allow you to copy a comment in order too translate it. Not that it matters as I am an Anglo Saxon, even if my first name is Irish for god knows what reason.
he should have said johnny rotten and sang ..God save the queen The fascist regime They made you a moron A potential H bomb God save the queen She's not a human being and There's no future And England's dreaming Don't be told what you want Don't be told what you need There's no future No future No future for you..
Very interesting, for me it doesn’t really add up that he was broken on the rack but then stood / climbed to be hanged. Don’t think you would be climbing anything after having your legs ripped out of their sockets on the rack!
The Weekely Newes Number 19, dated 31 January 1606: Last of all came the great Devil of all, Guy Fawkes, alias Johnson, who would have put fire to the powder. His body being weak with the torture and sickness, he was scarce able to go up the ladder, yet, with much ado, by the help of the hangman went high enough to break his neck by the fall. He made no speech, but with his crosses and idle ceremonies made his end upon the gallows and the block, to the great joy of all beholders that the land was ended of so wicked a villainy.
“He was literally caught red handed allegedly with a box of matches” ...except matches weren’t invented for another 226 years by John Walker. Am I wrong?
I'm thinking you're not wrong. I'm reading that Fawkes was caught with a "slow match", which was probably misconstrued as a "box of matches". A slow match is a length of treated hemp or flax that took about an hour to burn a foot, and was used to ignite muskets, typically. Also called "match cord".
Non sequitur. Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but anything negative that can be said about a religion being the ideology by which a nation is governed can also be said of a secular ideology, including atheism. Just ask Joe Stalin or Mao.
i remember penny for guy. i thought he burnt at the stake thus the burning and fireworks. however this kind of stinking disciplin belongs to the strutting christian church and their ear crushing rules. including sexual repression .. guilt and all that is anti freedom its almost as if the misery brought pleasure to those who were not allowed to be healthy and free of guilt. so lets get violent with slightest squeak of rebellion
Penny for the guy! Haha, I remember a Friday night going out on the piss, about 17 years old or so, and some young lads asked for penny for the guy. My mate gave them a penny, literally 1 penny, the smallest unit of UK money, and then snatched the guy and chucked it over the bridge and into the canal. I think being dropped on his head as a kid might have had something to do with it.
Just as a lil fact, the building Fawkes would’ve blown up was burnt down in the 1800s I think so the modern parliament building we all know today would not have been victim to Fawkes attack
I didn’t know until very recently, that Fawkes threw himself off the scaffolding and broke his neck, thereby avoiding the grisly drawing and quartering.
The fact that there is still a monarchy after all the horrendous and cruel things done by them over generations is baffling. People treat the queen like she's special.
As brutal as these videos re - I absolutely adore this channel!! I’d love it if you could do full documentaries, but then again, don’t - as I would never get anything done!😂
Thanks for the comment! I’m working on one at the moment. Have a good 25 minute one recorded on a lost battle of the Wars of the Roses. Just need to get around to editing it, I filmed it a while back, comments like this give me the inspiration to keep going with it! Thanks :)
If I had been one of the co-conspirators, I'd been on a boat to anywhere as soon as I'd heard that Guido was in irons. Being drawn and quartered is a very unpleasant way to go.
Yeah. I must admit if I were one of the people who was involved in the plot, I wonder if a conversation with one of my fellow conspirators would have gone "Have you heard? They have Guido in the Tower of London?", and me replying "No worries, blokes solid as a rock, he wont talk" whilst also thinking "Spain is quite nice this time of year"
For those who doubt the torture or the gallows I have read that he had to be ‘helped’ to the gallows and to climb them. Presumably his legs were dislocated or broken as others have said. I am surprised some seem to doubt the reality of the torture. He either fell or jumped from the gallows and we cannot know which.
You do seem to have a point. Although I once severely dislocated my elbow, I was still rather capable of using the full arm, drinking coffee, picking up things and more of such activities. So it might have been plausible ...
Torture is so ridiculous not because it was barbaric but because even someone who was undisputedly guilty could likely be forced to admit to things they never even did just to make the pain stop now imagine the person is innocent
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. Guy Fawkes knew very well what the consequences would be should he be caught, which in my opinion raises his his status of courage and bravery to the ultimate level.
Just what I thought; he'd barely be able to walk surely, never mind scale a ladder? I bet the executioners had their butts kicked for bodging things up. Had he succeeded there might even have been a statue of him outside parliament today and people might be burning effigies of King James I on bonfire night. Only quizzing things here, by the way. Robin Witting
@@peterherrington3300 Well it's a good point. The fact is if Fawkes had been broken on the rack he would not be walking any where. So either he caved early when being tortured on the rack or he did not climb the ladder and quickly jump off. As is my understanding he would not climb a ladder at all because the whole point in the hanging part was to not allow the person to die. So it is ore likely the nose would be placed around some ones neck and they would be hosted into the air and then lowered again before they had the chance to die.
My understanding is that by the time Fawkes gave up the names of his fellow conspirators they had already been discovered by the authorities using other means.
Evidence exists which implies Robert Cecil knew about the plot weeks before Guido Fawkes was discovered. Also, it’s never been explained how Fawkes got hold of the gunpowder, which was controlled by the state and kept in the Tower of London. Conspiracy may not have been wholly on the side of the catholics.
In that yrs it was a common way to deal with criminals, traitors and such, only from late 18th century the various states started to gradually humanizing judiciary system, don't forget that, contrary to other nations in UK until 1840 you could've been hanged for minor/petty crimes.
I read that the king had attended Fawke's execution, and was so sick that ordered that the others condemned had to be only hanged, without any needless torture
Yeah, this is a widespread fallacy which seems to be spread by 21st century snowflakes applying their own modern sensitivities to 16th century executions. People have spread similar nonsense about the execution of Anthony Babington.
ha ha ha..order some terrible torture and then winge about it. i felt sick..it was horrible. those torturers desperate for money. its your dirt folks not the poor victim. you will get it in hell for your sheer brutal insensitivity. dont care what the accused did.NO ONE deserves to die like these people did.
You are confusing the Gunpowder Plot with the Babington Plot which took place during the reign of Elizabeth I, Guy Fawkes was actually the last of the conspirators to die.
Little known fact: when Fawkes was climbing the platform to be executed, he jumped off headfirst, killing himself instantly. Instead of giving them the satisfaction of doing it. Pretty bad ass in my opinion
A Catholic supremacist "honest"? You're sadly deluded... Oh, it was just a cynical "joke"? HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa
Remember, remember the 5th of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot. - V for Vendetta
It annoys the shit out of me when these narrators use the up and down oscillating voice. Up up up, down down down. Up up up up up, down down down down down.
Think about how history has been changed by assassins. Arch duke Ferdinand= WW1- Attempt on Lenin puts Stalin in power- Kennedy/ Lincoln changes the course of America, and on and on.
I just have to comment that the way you handle these topics is astounding to me, as an American observing in horror the devolution of media under the control of American-led social media companies, including the one on whose platform you are offering these videos. The fact that you provide fairly complete historical context for understanding the social and political environments in which the various events you cover took place; and then minimize the embedded potential for brutal sensationalism by relying on carefully curated historical photos, drawings, and silent video clips, maintaining your even voiceover throughout-these things make you stand apart from anything else I’ve seen on the general topic of our ancestors’ barbarity, anywhere else on RU-vid or Facebook or other smaller social media platforms. It’s almost as though you’ve deigned to slum around with the rest of the creators in your category, to show them how it can and should be done. I would hope “the eyes in the sky,” so to speak, would recognize this kind of quality in your work and, if they wish to salvage their own reputations and restore the integrity of their platforms before they end up being burned down like Guy Fawkes’ Parliament almost was, reward it and promote it and the very few other channels like it, as examples of social media fulfilling its promise.
Why were people so brutal back then, weren't they so religious and god fearing as well, so what happened to thou shall not kill and the rest of the 10 commandments, unbelievable that in human history it really isn't that long ago
@@lok777 I was talking more about the developed countries where these methods were used, such as Britain, France, Spain etc I know there is places in Africa and the middle east still stuck in the middle ages
My God! The more I heard, the more I felt Fawkes' actions to be validated. A ruling power that is so brutally barbaric towards beaten prisoners is deserving of any and all violence towards them.
He tried to blow up the Royal Family. What would your response be if someone tried to blow up your family? Bare in mind things were a bit different back then as well.
@@DracRummins Oh yeah, after the fact...the ruling family had to send a message otherwise they'd get swamped by a thousand and One disgruntled peassants. Fear motivates us to do horrendous things It still does not, however, make them any less horrendous..
It's amazing to me that the slang use of "Hey, look at that guy" is because of this moment in long ago history. I must use the word guy a hundred times a week.
@@danwiley7936 Actually, no. That would be hilarious if a part of polite everyday discourse was saying things like, "Hey, what's that peckerhead doing over there?" Actually, considering where discourse is going in this country, we're probably only a few years away from that reality.
The problem with the details of these stories is that people tend to only share those bits of info that serve their purpose. Whether those details happen to be true or not.
@@الداعية-22 The "damn" difference it is that you can torture someone before they are executed, but you can't torture someone after they have been executed.
Yea, this is confusing. I think that perhaps the exact torture wasn’t as bad as described. There’s no way he could even stand let alone be on a ladder if he was stretched that hard on the rack. Also, I noticed all the drawings of the horses show them being dragged in what looks like little sleds with hay. Not saying this would be fun in any way but it’s a lot different than being dragged on the ground. Again, not saying any of this wasn’t horrible torture but I think some things are being exaggerated.
Brotherhood of Nod agreed. However the targets that Fawkes attempted to kill are no better. Perhaps they were more deserving of death... it would have been a quick one, unlike the death they wanted to give him.
I’m curious about the “matches” in his pocket.. as matches weren’t invented until 1680 by, Robert Boyle and not commercially available until 1827 by, John Walker.
This voiceover sounded like a teenage student reading from scribbled notes in front of his bored classmates. I was already well aware of the details of the Gunpowder Plot, having studied it at school and since. This effort is a very effective cure for insomnia.
His hand signature is absolutely chilling, you can see the pain in it, I'm always saying there was some mental mold or something in food or water back then because the things people did to one and other back then no sane minded person would ever do.
Lol I see what you did. He was yuuge in his circle. Many people say you were like him, but he was a bad guy. You’re not, everyone says it. They all love you, look at the crowds.
There was a Celtic festival for Samhain, celebrating the beginning of winter, where a wicker man, a large effigy made from willow twigs, would be burnt. (This festival occurred at the time of the second New Moon after the autumnal equinox, since the Celtic calendar was lunar based.) Some sources claim that humans were also sacrificed in these effigies. These rituals were outlawed with the advent of Christianity and replaced by All Souls Day (or All Hallows) on 1 November (and of course by All Hallows Eve on 31 October). It is probable that Guy Fawkes Day on 5 November was the perfect excuse to revive this ancient fire tradition, where a 'Guy' was substituted for the Wicker Man.
