guy leaves society to get away from the government, thinks they are attacking him. government keeps going to the middle of nowhere to attack him. government calls him crazy. okay then.
The government did leave him alone until he started stealing other hunters supplies , making death threats , then someone goes missing !? And stealing a mans supplies in the middle of know where that's low !
@@stevedavis9462 Again, it'll never happen, there "WILL" always be someone or some entity that wants to take something from you. I'm sure you know this fact, just saying. If someone wants "at you" you'll NEVER ever left alone. Never fear evil.....j.m.o.
try living with them. it's not like Hollywood. they are neither omnipotent nor omniscient, nor benevolent. and they sure as hell aren't endowed with mystical wisdom let alone metaphysical powers
Helping to create an image of "supernatural powers" has been used effectively before. By individuals as well as governments. A prime example being the Duvalier regime of Haiti, who played on the natives' fear of voodoo to terrorize the populace into submission.
There was real "black magic" in our Tlingit history. Christianity wiped most of it out. My grandfather was the last one I've known to watch a shape-shifting Shaman turn into a crane. That is against nature and God's order. Thank God for the light of His Son! ✝️ ☦️
@@ernstschrandt3676 Actually "bat shit crazy" brings about an image that technical terms couldn't. Whatever the words are that work best are the correct choice,
The only good choice Oros made was dodging that draft. Everything else he did afterwards was entirely uncalled for and a product of his paranoid schizophrenia. Clearly anti-establishment bias if you believe otherwise.
@XXNerdzillaXX me and my friends have a saying. the difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth nowadays appears to be 3-6 months 😂 because whats a conspiracy theory today, governments seem to admit to later.
@@keltongillanders5736 There's nothing new under the sun. When I was a kid, just even mentioning that stuff would get ya completely ejected from social groups. It's come a long way, but not far enough. It's too slow and it's only gonna get worse before it gets worse.
He just wanted to be free. There are those that cannot fathom the concept of freedom. I envy the experiences and the talent this man had to exist in such an adverse environment. Leave it to some government authority to defy the very concept of freedom.
Right? “Oh we can’t catch theses dogs living in the wilderness who are only familiar with one human being… better just kill them” Big government logic for sure.
@@66Bunn We do not know the circumstances of that murder. What is absolutely sure is that law enforcement killed his dogs for no reason just for the hell of it. Does that make anybody empathetic to law enforcement?
Government killed the Weavers dog and Gordon Kahls dog trying to provoke a gun fight. It worked with the Weavers because they shot the 13 year old Sammy weavers dog right infront of him. Then they sprayed him up his back as he ran away. They killed a 13 year old child with a machine gun. Then a sniper took his mother out as she nursed her 5 month old baby
@@Spooky_515 From The Dirt! Vote For Proper Representation! Run For Office! Working Together as Americans Under The Constitution lawfully with respect to the law and the Constitution is the only way from the ground up to Protect each other and evoke Favorable Change. The System is in Place as WE THE PEOPLE to Take Charge and Elect Representatives that Do Exactly What We Want Them to do! There is no "Them".Unless you sit on your ass and do nothing, whilst your Opponents elect their dude,Dude.
😂 very myopic viewpoint considering what happened here. Lol another dip💩 chiming in with not 1 but 2 fallacies in just 1 sentence and doesn't have the mental capacity to grasp them.
Hello Shredmur. I've heard this story from other sources and they're usually from interviews of RCMP and people in nearby cities. When the indigenous people are mentioned it's usually the Tlingit people. But in truth Mike Oros has spent most of his time in northern BC which is mostly Tahltan territory where I am from. My dad has stories of my grandpa befriending him when he was just a young harmless man looking to live in the bush. Sometimes he would be found sleeping in the church when he passed through. Oros has spent a lot of his early years living with people from Telegraph and Iskut where he learned to survive in the north. He spent five years with a couple from telegraph until he got kicked out for uttering death threats after an altercation with their dogs. Another story was someone coming home one morning and finding someone broke into their house, cooked a meal and washed the dishes and left. Everyone knew it was him because that behavior was out of character of everyone else but him.
him and fletcher had fights about him up in chesly using/breaking in his hunting cabins, lots of people knew him from atlin to iskut, he use the telegraph trail as highway
@@vicdelange2634 Yes he did frequently used the trail. And not everyone was afraid of him. Back then, a lot of people were willing to shoot him if they got in a hostile encounter with him once he became a known killer. Also Fletcher Day was a legend himself just like all the old elders those days.
Just goes to show that you're never free. Sometimes you mess with the wrong person. They killed his dogs which would have pissed me off too. All that grief and the charges didn't stick. No one bothered to see that his mental illness was treated.
@@miraxus6264 I’m not trying to be insulting. Just trying to inspire thought. It’s easy to kinda place blame. Someone obviously dropped the ball somewhere. But even before the dogs were gone he’d killed right? How do we check, guys living like this, mental health? I think a lot of this falls on Mikes shoulders. I don’t think that’s victim blaming.
@StLMikie maybe I heard it wrong. But..how do we know he killed that 1 guy? It said he shot him..but they then said the defense could argue that this guy had dissapeared before...so apparently no one witnessed that..and they shot and killed oros..he didn't confess to it...hard to say how his mental health really was..to be fair..he lived in one of the harshest environments and lived alone...
@@miraxus6264 you’re absolutely right. And maybe I’m the one who misunderstood, but I thought that in the end they were able to connect his gun to the murder? Years after his death they did some science to figure it out?
@@jturtle5318 if you read yourself what your writing about "pushing people off their traditional lands." being "afraid and scared" after harassment and bodily harm is a normal reaction.
Just read the book, for the second time. Hard to put down. He went mad from living in the bush by himself for too long, especially in the winter, when it’s dark just about all the time.
@markliebrock4268, That is not true, his paranoia is a genetic chemical imbalance in his brain and was only destined to deteriorate without medical treatment, I know because my brother in law became schizophrenic following his use of drugs when he was around 19 years old and could function fairly well until he would quit his medication. Luckily, he has never been violent, just hard to deal with. He is currently doing well in the only assisted living home in our state that will accept schizophrenic patients. That is a sad statement on our healthcare system! I see mentally ill people living on the streets every time that I go out.
Sounds like his paranoia was only furthered by "government officials" confirming every paranoid thought that he had. They essentially proved that he wasn't crazy. They relentlessly harassed this man .
@@clanrobertson7200 Ok but you really have no idea if it's true or not it just sounds like what happened to someone close to you. It's not like solitary confinement to the unbelievable extreme couldn't drive someone to snap. Solid minded or not.
I got harassed by a US Federal park rangers. I told him hey I just want to be left alone! so he said I feel threatened!! they demanded I get out of my truck even though I wasn't driving and it wasn't running!!!.... I was parked on a dirt road by the river fishing they gave me a entire sobriety test!agenst my will. I passed it all ! even though I'm wearing leg braces with a spinal cord injury!!!! then they searched my truck!!!! illegally !!!and found an empty smashed flat beer can,under the truck seat, and """"lied """"and said it was half full of an=== Amber frothy liquid=== and gave me a fine for $140 bucks they detain me for over an hour humiliating me in front of people. all because I told him I want to be"""" left alone""""" these guys are super assholes,today!. that ain't the first time they've drew first blood. These corrupt Federal Park Rangers LYDE on the probable cause report! because I had a copy of it sent to me! it's perjury
@@stevenroper3577 it does. My sentence structure indicates that there was something off with me when I wrote it, as I didn’t proofread it. In my case, it was a lack of sufficient sleep due to personal stress.
@@stevenroper3577I don't have anything against people f from Denmark but this person obviously was raised in a subservient state of limitation. probably sobbed and bowed to the queen after forfeiting their own life and existence in trade for a small brain
Followed you. Great presentation I had an acquaintance who lived in the arctic of Canada in the 1970s , he lived in a small tent and would spy on oil exploration of competitors of his employers, He would document the depth of the drilling , and other details, I was amazed that he would do that type of work, However he was very well paid and obviously had the knowledge and skills
I worked at Sheslay area in 88, knew Fletcher & a few of his sons. Heard quite a bit about ‘Sheslay Mike’ & the unfortunate loss of the Constable. The Sheslay river & the Sheslay airstrip are notable features of the west Tahltan country
I know a trucker who was stopped by mike on the side of the road. Holding a rifle, hatchet and a machete. He denied the man a ride and kept going. (Edit: y’all probably been throat fuckin Mike eh? So y’all know where driver was and where Michael was eh? If so where and what colour was drivers cab over peterbilt?)
I had a lee enfield.303 for a bit . Problem was during that time all I could find was old ww1 ammunition made from that stick propellant cordon or whatever it was called . It wasn’t reliable. It would hang fire at best. It was the worst ammo I ever had . It usually fired but always hang fired. I bet he had the same ammo. This was before the internet so we didn’t have options for ammunition. He’d already been arrested so he probably only had his crappy backup rifle
I believe it's called cordite. Smokeless powder mix formed intro strands and packed vertically inside the brass. Produces a slow burn effect or something like that, I'm too lazy to google it right now.
You are over confident in thinking there were NOT people in the woods...perhaps not people, but beings who can talk and very skilled at remaining hidden.
You are not hidden, I see you every morning when you climb down from your treehouse. Also, if you want to be hidden, stop dressing in all yellow clothing. Yellow is the most visible color. Try green or brown.
@@hopsta5628 At one time I believed they were....critters....no longer. They are beings, if you will, persons...They exhibit too many amazing abilities to be mere animals.
Sounds like he got the waco ruby ridge railroad treatment, with no evidence of a crime and not convicted in any court of law. Which means he was innocent until proven guilty, instead he was murdered by clown enforcement
This whole story feels like a movie to me. Kudos 👏 for your narration. Although half of the time I must admit I thought about moving on bc it's a long story but I am very happy I stayed for the end ☺️. Your a great story teller! You certainly have my Sub. ❤
Around the first question psychiatrists ask you when trying to determine if you're sane or insane or going insane is "Do you hear voices speaking when no one is there?"
It's actually more sad that everything oros suspected came true. They hunted down a sick man who actually needed help. Its sickening that you sympathize for the oppressors.
12:30 "... but Oros had come to the conclusion in his brain..." ??? but I though you jump to conclusions with your feet. 🤣 18:08 "As they approached the cabin the officers pretended to be waving and smiling..." This reminds me of Waterboy where Henry Winkler was having his breakdown. "...he fakes left, no he fakes to the right, no he doesn't fake... He thinks about faking, he pretends to fake...." 🤦🤦♂🤦♀ Still, Great story and nice job with your research.
The man in the documentary "Willard" whom lived in the Canadian wilderness for 60 years also was a ' draft dodger'. He jumped from a troop train during WW II.
Very interesting version of the story, I know Mike’s brother, Bob Buday and heard his own version. Unfortunately they both had the same ending which was very hard on Bob to tell. RIP.
100yr old tech Enfield vs radios and helicopters and kill teams!! I remember when this happened and every version it seemed it could have been dealt with differently
How do they know he was trying to attack the other group first? Sounds like he was doing everything he could to get away as they were hunting him down.
He wasn't a "draft dodger". He was a free man. Nowhere was our government granted the authority to force someone to fight in forien wars. The draft is completely unconstitutional.
Having worked in acute-care psychiatry for 20 years, I just want to confirm that what you say about people with delusions can be true. Sometimes, and certainly not all the time, but sometimes a person with delusions can have a fully normal conversation and unless you bring up the topic that their delusions are steeped in, you will never realize they're delusional because they are fully lucid on all other topics.
Not many people are mentally fit to live off the grid and this tragic case shows it. However many cases show that people live successfully off the grid for many years, from the Appalachian trapper to the Siberian hunter.
My best friend was the same, except he still remains aloof in his home,it became harder to see him,he also had super human strength.i could not feel safe in his presence any longer.
Laws where stupid back then and today the laws are still stupid depends where you come from , ie in Australia we have the high court letting the worst criminals out in public with no ankle tracking bracelet attached they are roaming free , rapists murders , pediphiles etc , imagin that, this is our government in 2024 allowing this ,unbelievable disgusting so yeah all this time and we still have incompetent authorities Around the world .
That hit me the most as well. Mike Buday sounded like a quite a rare gem. The kind of man you want as a best friend. Rough around the edges, but a blast to be around and someone you can rely on to have your back when things get hairy. A rare type in today’s society. RIP Mounty Buday.
The cop beat him up pretty badly, then they went and killed his dogs. Being assumed innocent of any charges, the cops, including the one who beat him up, still spend a great deal of time and money to track him down and kill a man with mental issues who wanted to be left alone. Not sure who is the hero and bad guy sometimes.
No one is more dangerous than a man who just wants to be LEFT ALONE. This man moved as far away from people as he could move and idiots still pursued him w weapons but zero probabl cause that he had committed a crime. Murdered him. Then hailed the govt murderer as a hero. Makes sense to who? 6 out
@@user-li3qf3nn8s I disagree. I don't have a ruler that decides my fate. I wud never submit to that line of thought. Only KING I have is Jesus. I do believe that we all have an appointment with death. And no matter where we go or what we do, we won't miss that appointment. I watched my soldiers travel 15000 miles to make that appointment. I have to believe that or the guilt wud drive me insane. I make this comment, not to start drama but just to relay another view point. Regards, 6 out
When i worked in Alaska there was a guy who lived in a cabin who would shoot a shotgun full of rocksalt at people. They just stayed away from him . When he came into town to get supplies he acted like a normal guy in public. He just liked his privacy. If he invited you to his cabin it would be no problem if you went there with him.
I enjoyed listening to this , mad man’s story , I could imagine this in a book , I would have really enjoyed reading that , real life stories of events of what ever kind in a book I can read and enjoy , thanks for sharing.
duuuuuuuude lol which one? Jk but I hear ya. George Lishi aka Dead-walking German Baron fellow-who died & denied his inheritance 😁 Oros was not wrong when he wrote 'untrustful- geoge, hiding here'
you have a vary diplomatic way of saying Lishy was an actual N4z1... i feel way more sympathy for Oros and his dogs that the rcmp executed then i do for the ex-n4z1 that was known to start s**t with other trappers.. also when Oros was freaking out in his cell i can just imagine why.. cops had probably just told him about what happened to his dogs. not defending the man or his actions but that thing about the dogs made my blood boil.
Why you censor word nazi, and in all likelihood he was 16 yo kid who just had to join the war. He also very likely ended up living in north american wilderness because of his war experiences leaving massive fortune behind. Why you feel so sorry for Oros? Like sure he clearly needed to be locked up in some mental health hospital, and its unfortunate, but he also was absolute terror of the region. It was just pure chanse this n4z1 like you call him ended up been his first victim as we know of. Oros for example routinely terrorized the native trappers out of their lands, even the native couple that taught him survival skills received constant death threats, and he raided pretty much everyones cabins, and hunting grounds leaving his mark supposedly marking them as "his land"
Lishy was 16 when a gun was forced into his hands and shoved towards the oncoming Soviet hordes, I imagine his time in combat was very short and brutal before he was captured and packed off to a Siberian gulag. No nazi.
@@antonrudenham3259 The Germans attacked the Russians "On the 22nd of June 1941, Adolf Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa, Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union. It was the beginning of a campaign that would ultimately decide the Second World War." and 24 million or so died. For all we know he could have worked at a camp past 16. The baddies hid out till the 50s in forests. It was probably his rigid nature and perhaps prejudice that pissed off the hippy bushman killer.
I want to be left alone but i still want to have some socialisation with others... so i moved to a small country town. I can do my own thing and have my solitary lifestyle but still be part of a community. It's a win-win.
its painfully obvious now that we cant just trust governments...some people/organizations have self serving agendas...too many documented cases of governance testing things on people including spray from a variety of aircraft...its too easy and comfortable to dismiss anomalous incidentals as delusion or madness... ...we all want things to fit neatly into the boxes of our comfort zone and personal or group mentalities... ... sometimes we need a modified or bigger box to readily fit increasing/evolving realities...
It's just too bad he murdered an innocent man. And destroy other folks property, absolutely go in and make use of anything in it, including living there until you have it together. But murder and destruction of your own property. Feller was dangerous. And sick. I honestly feel bad for all involved.
