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I think the biggest problem with Callisto Protocol is that it is not Dead Space but "the last of us" in space with just Dead Space skin in terms of its sort of combat and horror .
@@KaiKrimson56the issue of horror is that it is "grounded" in the sense that it revolves around a virus , it doesn't have any paranormal stuff like the markers in dead space such as that iconic scene of the guy thumping his head on the wall and doesn't have a sense of mystery but relies on gross horror and jumpscares . I still think it is a decent game regardless of all the issues and really shines in many areas because of its fantastic sound design and lighting. It is not exactly a melee focused game because when you get a gun you get enough ammo in areas to go haywire on the enemies and treat it like third person shooter which was a good thing for me
I like linear games, Dead Space 2 was also super linear, but it knew how to mix it up with variety of enemies, Zero-G puzzles, and both horror and over-the-top action set pieces. Even a game like FEAR, which was super repetitive and lacked variety, made up for that with its stellar shooting and AI. This made the combat in that game an engaging & fun loop to go through. The Callisto Protocol fails at this on all fronts and it's only real offering is its flawed combat which doesn't hold up for its failings.
Good performance, dull linearity and interesting combat - a good description for Evil West, you know. A nice arena-combat brawler. Remind me some of the new God of War.
Those clips of you fighting the two enemies at once genuinely looks fun. Too bad it's surrounded by all the other faults the game has, I might've picked it up just because of those clips otherwise.
I find the horror element was highjacked by the beat'em up element. The game makes it very clear very early your best and most reliable option to survive is Mr. Whacky. I then just go into Doom Slayer mode, no horror or fear just kill, kill, kill. Any enemy: shotgun stun, extended combo, shotgun dead. I think of the Arkham series a lot when thinking of this games combat. It was simple but sufficiently thought out on how to make the most of the zoomed out camera, combo counter and multiple foes. This combat has a very low ceiling once figured out.
It shouldn't even be that hijacked if they know what they're doing tbh. Condemned was very punchy and whacky too but it never felt this weightless even with the use of its biggest flaw which was the taser. It's probably the pacing, but I dunno it's just not...as good as one would hope it would be.
i tried to engage with stealth but it just didn’t feel mapped out well enough so i’d just throw hands.. which ultimately didn’t work but neither did stealth so i just kinda put it down and went back to resident evil.. a horror game that employs combat heavily but still leaves you incredibly hesitant to engage with any enemies.
If you give players a boring but easy option, they'll most likely take it, that's why it's good as a developer to nudge players towards a more fun option, and / or decrease the effectiveness of the boring option
Kinda like DS1. Sure it's great atmosphericslly but I remember the enemy drops being very inconsistent. Like you'd have no ammo and all you're getting from enemies are health items. Ds2 improved alot on many of thwse faults. Hopefully a CP2 could too.
@@SolidRaiden2655 how do you run out of ammo in DS1? Enemies are always dropping money or ammo and there's tons of sellable items that you should be overflowing with ammo after just a few missions, especially because of the store and ammo is so cheap. Frankly, that was always one aspect of every dead space game I wished they did better. Balance the games so you have to rely on ammo found in the environment like RE4.
Fixing the camera+magnetism, and adding a NG+ would solve a lot of problems for me When you have all of the guns, upgraded baton and grip, the combat really clicks, i saw myself really using all 3 to deal with hordes The 2 big guns can be used to kill at a distance and do heavy damage, while the other are great for combos or blowing up the suicide bomber enemies, with an upgraded grip i can use it more and throw enemies into hazards, it felt actually good and intense ??? But this only started to happen after the mines, in the final area of the game Having a NG+ would mean i could carry everything i had to the earlier game and deal have actual fun Nothing will fix the shitty and uninteresting plot, or add more character interactions to develop them more, or more world building, enemy variety, remove the copious amount of crawling and squeezing, the lack of environment variation, add some few chapters in the prison pre outbreak, change the environments to look like a prison instead of grey corridors after grey corridors But at least the combat would be fun Anyway, life aways makes sure to remember us why we don't pre order things
It's a great game, but I totally agree ng+ really needed to come with the game at launch. Who wants to start all over from scratch? I pre-ordered months ago, I don't regret it. I will definitely be preordering dead space remake as well, and gladly spend 70 on it
is it me or does the level/encounter design really shine in the second half? like as soon as you get the suit alot of problems are fixed. The encounters get way better, the inventory is no longer a total drag on what little exploring u are given, and there was wayyyy less crawling and slipping through cracks in the back half. This was really overlooked by so many reviewers who just decided the combat was bad bc they tried to mash R2 in a crowd of enemies instead of using any crowd control techniques
I wonder how this passed platform testing 😅 I am enjoying the game thus far. This combat feels more like an aggressive gory puzzler. Each encounter is like a puzzle to find the best order to deal with it. Combat is ok to me. But there is quite a bit too much downtime and if you progress through some doors you're locked out exploring the previous section. I hope they survive this backlash because I'd love to see a sequel that improves all of this.
This is a comment from someone else but I feel this too... After seeing a litany of complaints from people who 1 haven't actually been In the survival horror/action genre long or have old nostalgic ties to ds1 and cant remember anything I think some points should be brought up. First let's do bullet sponges and the enemies take so many hits to kill, okay well turn the game off maximum security no ones forcing a grown ass man to play a game on the hardest difficulty, also resident evil 1 the actual king of survival horror let's see what that game play loop is... do 30 puzzles and run from half the enemies with shit ass tank controls cause all enemies are bullet sponges, resident evil 7s loop of run from jack and then fight him 3 seperate times or fight the same two molded enemies who are also bullet sponges and then compare this to the gameplay loop of dead space 1 walk through linear corridors and shooting a majority of enemies 1 time in a arm and leg, now that dead space apparently a magnum opus of all survival horror(especially in space)has been brought up let's talk about the next topics... topic two the shit story, the story of dead space also let's be fair and not use the multitude of extra games,movies and even novels they needed to flesh out the first games story. The major things that happen in dead space are as follows, Issac knowing his wife is dead but refuses to watch the video past a certain point to give us a shock factor later on top of not having any dialog at all the subversion Kendra being the actual villain instead of Hammond and the cause of that outbreak being a alien relic sending a fucking signal into people or dead things and turning them into necromporhs lol a marker a signal?! Great story, now the last two topics the price point of games, resident evil two on m64 is only 512 mbits and the legend of Zelda ocarina of time is 32 Mb and these games sold for 49$ in the late 90s and early 2000s with inflation that's over 110$ for under 50 mbs of material in a game. And last topic is this game should not be 70 dollars its too short.. ah yes the too short argument on survival horror games most if not all resident evil games can be speed run without glitches in under 3 hours the even have a timer on the games along with rankings so that's a moot point seems the games that started this genre were ment to be beaten fast & Same can be said about dead space 1 game can easily be beaten with plasma cutter only run in a single sitting from like 14 year Olds during summer break and this being said it seems most survival horror games rely on tropes or puzzles to make the game seem longer. Most hype beasts seem to not realize the survival horror genre is either a shit ton of puzzles or long linear corridors. With all this being said I think hype culture needs to die out and to humor me if you've read this far look on RU-vid just Harry Potter legacy I'm not even a huge fan of the series and i see multiple different youtubers hungry for views and money dropping videos on even the smallest hint of new gameplay or mechanics or customization and dudes who love the Harry Potter books or movies will see this for months on end and be a feral animal when the game comes out and then when the game doesn't hold up the the vision in their head created by some youtuber being money hungry and drip feeding them info for over a year they get livid.
@@WeArrLegion Geez man, ever heard of paragraphs? Also, RU-vidrs are very responsible for overhyping a game. They care more about revenue and algorithm than the game.
If the Striking Distance Studios came out and admitted that Callisto Protocol is a parody of the "AAA Action/Survival Horror" genre, then it succeeded, because this game is a joke
I did get the feeling that Mayo would appreciate the combat of this game despite being disliked by most. When I watched a playthrough I did notice that while the combat is somewhat lacking, it had some form of "flow" to it The ability to consecutively dodge as long as you remembered what direction you dodged last, watching animations to read enemies, grabbing gun combo opportunities, the focus on 1on1, and the capability for crowd control provided by GRIP when you're overwhelmed. It feels like it was designed by someone who enjoyed thirdperson melee games like SIFU or For Honor, and tried to put his own spin on it. So the combat system does have it's good sides, I guess the friction with the community came from the expectation that we're getting another Isaac: vulnerable within melee range, but his engineer background allowed him to wield lots of unusual weapons, mostly ranged. I feel like the presentation of the protagonist would've made a massive difference. If it were me, I'd have the hero's backstory be somewhat more of an anti-hero: make him a legit criminal who has a taste for fights. That way, it is conveyed to the player that this character WANTS to go at it up close while also subtly explaining why this character seems to have the reflexes (and strength) to go toe-to-toe with these monsters. Kinda like doomguy basically. I guess I'll still wait for the patch that lets mid-tier rigs to play this thing.
Really weird nitpick....and this is for a lot of games: But make your blood a darker red. It look like ketchup, and until we get to the point of casting lighting and shadows on effects like blood, just make it dark.
God, with the state of AAA gaming it's so disheartening to ever become excited about a new title. Idk why I thought this be any different.. I'm excited for the RE4 and Dead Space remake but I feel like theyll be another shameless cash grab. The passion game developers use to have is all but dead.
It's hard to tell about RE4 yet, but Dead Space looks very promising. It looks like they made Ishimura into a Resident Evil style map that you gradually unlock and can traverse to any location at any given time. Plus you will have different environmental interaction that allows you to bear a single area differently. For example, they showed an area in which you have to cut off power. Maybe it's chapter 4, when you are supposed to reroute the power. Point is, you can choose between, for example, cutting the life support or lights. If you turn off the former, you will have to quickly navigate through the environment. If you choose lights, then you can proceed as usual, but in pitch blackness, which gives enemies obvious advantages. If this is their approach, the remake has big potential. Very big.
Thing is, The Callisto Protocol definitely had some passion behind it, but it was mismanaged and ultimately a lackluster product. Still, they at least tried creating a compelling new sci-fi horror IP and I respect them for that, even if the end result is quite disappointing.
Totally disagree. This game looks like it had a lot of passion and strives to be something somewhat new. But. That doesn’t mean the end result isn’t boring and unpleasant. I think it takes a lot of passionate, hard working people to get a game this far, but to me it looks like it was released before it was done.
Callisto wasn't even the usual modern AAA cash grab microtransactions game. It was just bad designed with poorly thought out mechanics. It's a shame...so much potential
Haven't played the game so this question is genuine, is it the players fault for not playing the game correctly or the games fault for not forcing the player to play correctly?
So you play ultra kill and don’t engage with the game and use one weapon and call that a “criticism” even though doing so will technically “work.” but will make the opposite argument here where you can dodge and swing all game with no change but you say there’s many other ways to engage with it. i’m gonna be charitable and say you changed your way of thinking but it also seems inconsistent since you don’t actively bring it up
Well I'd say the difference is many people had a lot of difficulty issues with the Callisto combat not using all the options. Several streamers rage quit the game trying to just dodge and play simply. Whereas I saw streamers play ultrakill spamming the pistol and get through it fine. Besides, he clearly likes ultrakill more than Callisto Protocol, you fans still complaining about it is reaching comical levels of being annoying.
@@onceyougozach2607 nice assumption, disregard mayo and engage with my argument instead, i like him too but that ultrakill take was just ignorant and self absorbed. better yet, i’ve never played ultra, i’ve never even seen the game besides screenshots. i’m going exclusively on commentary made by mayo and detractors. While ultra-kill might be easier to pistol through, the fundamental is the same, you can get through the game by not engaging with the in-game systems. i don’t find callisto very difficult and if you really tried (just hold left or right, super hard i know) you can avoid nearly all damage. it’s the fundamental hypocrisy that i’m criticizing, it’s not that hard to hold left or right at ANY POINT before an attack, these streamers must’ve also did the cup head tutorial as well and found difficulty.
@@starzee038 if you haven't played the game then I don't see why you're even throwing your hat in. He just said he thought the combat was INTERESTING and people hadn't quite been grasping the crowd control potential. Stop trying to make everything a gotcha moment. Be less annoying.
@@onceyougozach2607 i don’t need to play a game to work with the language. what mayo and detractors are saying can be discussed outside of the game. the only difference it would make is that i’d have experience with how easy it is to use the pistol. which no one is arguing. i’m the one being annoying while you try to discredit my argument with superficial facts. you’re excusing his hypocrisy because…what you like mayo and he’s above criticism? he’s a game commentary youtuber, he’s commentating, im criticizing his commentating and his rhetoric. you brought up a good point of difficulty buuut, now you’re just working to discredit me. no one is above criticism
@@starzee038 different games have different aspects executed differently. I like the camera perspective in resident evil 4, I don't like the camera in God of war ragnarok even though they have the same camera. I like the dodging in God hand but I don't like the dodging in Callisto. They're different games. What else do you want him to say? That's not hypocritical. And I'm asking what do you even gain from bringing up ultrakill for the 9000th time if you haven't even played it.
This game has Sony DNA all over it. They've gotten so stale over the years. Pass. Wake me when game devs are allowed to actually focus on interesting mechanics and flesh them out instead of "NEXT PRODUCT TO CONSUME".
Thanks for putting this together. I too have been intrigued by the negative reviews. Two terms that seem to be in a lot of reviews are "linear" and "rigid combat", and at a cursory glance I have a hard time understanding why either of those are a bad thing. Hearing your thoughts on these two aspects helps inform my decision which I believe is to ultimately wait until as Mega64 calls it, "the play date". By then it should be discounted to a reasonable price as well.
I was curious about your opinion on this game. Many people complain that melee with more than one enemy is frustrating, but I think it's really about avoiding these situations. It reminded me of your challenge matters video, and this game really has unique combat that forces you into its systems. Therefore, I did some experimentation and damn, now I'm having a lot of fun with the combat. It is really quite complex and rewarding, especially when using the grp and weapons correctly. But I guess most people complaining about the combat don't really try to learn it and instead seem to get offended when a game doesn't equal skill to aiming accuracy. I was however quite frustrated by the combat in the early levels with only the melee weapon... But people saying that they "hate" the game or it's just "bad" are in my opinion totally disrespectful. The graphics, audio and animations are all insanely good and everyone seems to agree. The camera, I have not had any issues with so far... But I agree that its linearity is slightly disappointing. There are however really cool secrets to find when exploring a little.
This is why I'm always skeptical of "spiritual successors", the marketing always touts that "because these guys made this thing you like, you'll also like this" and more often than not either don't live up to the expectations or there's behind the scenes stuff that ruins the product. My thing at the end of the day is that I don't care if you're trying to emulate what I like when I could just play the thing I like anyway, why play this over the original Dead Space, or the sequels for that matter? Feels like a knock off rather than a genuine attempt to make something fresh.
I like this new perspective on games. Many people don't take you seriously because of your blunt nature which they perceive as 'hating'. Honestly a rebranding may increase your popularity. In analysing and comparing game mechanics strengths and weaknesses whilst still being upfront about the experience.
Nah, he's fine. We need someone blunt and to the point. I'm not making a direct comparison here but TotalBiscuit was blunt and to the point and he was absolutely a force for good in the industry because of it. We need a little fire to push back complacency.
@@quaker5712 exactly ppl like mayo speaking out how they truly feel about something instead of just finding a way to not anger folks is what we need more in the world which is why I watch him to begin with
@@Jack.Martson I think a lot of people are afraid of shaming someone which is wrong I believe. Appropriately applied shaming done correctly is actually an act of love as you seek to improve someone's life or in our case making better games.
Mayo fair and even handed about gameplay, always. Actually doing a lot of positive spin for this game with the slept on mechanics, while also stating issues without hystrionics. I like seeing grown ups talk about their interests!
I think you might be slightly overselling how interesting the combat is. Yeah you can unlock another couple attacks, but that's still wildly inadequate for a game that is clearly focusing on melee combat. The dodge is the most braindead thing I've ever seen, when you pair it with the one attack string, the melee combat has depth similar to that of a mobile game. And while you can do some weird things like using the GRP to keep enemies locked near the wall like you showed...all that's doing is wasting a resource when you can just mash attack with the dodge in between. It also makes the camera work more horribly than it already does. The enemy magnetism(games need to stop with this shit already) further funnels you into melee since aiming at these enemies is such a shitshow, and the guns in general are nerfed in terms of utility from something like Dead Space or RE4. And then there's the delimb system which is heavily dumbed down from Dead Space-remember when enemies would lose their head and then go insane and their entire behavior would change? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Great video! Enjoying the content you put out, it's very clear, fair and well thoughtout. Keep it up. Looks like you're part of the fresh new wave of videogame commentary/reviewers channels thats bringing a new voice and perspective that is sorely lacking. As the other old well-known videogame channels have become stale and lazy in their commentary.
The combat system is a joke and pathetic because as you said basic does not even work with multiple enemies. Bad camera, no FOV. The game needs an overhaul in these area. And this is just a small aspect of the game. The story is not there. The game was not ready to be released this year and that is the truth.
Nah, no matter what, the combat always feels lame and repetitive (in a bad way). 90% of the combat is dodge and strike, that's the core of it no matter what add ons you have. I dont think they attempted a multi enemy combat loop, it was designed mainly for one on one but the developers messed up. They even recently patched the AI to hang back more to allow for more one on one focused fights. They knew they screwed up.
I think it's like a blend of RE2 and Dead Space and it doesn't do this too well. It needed to lean more into the prison horror stuff, psychos, prison gangs like the one that killed the guards and Hung them in the basement (they're mentioned in audio logs). They could've had us lose the baton and being stalked by some psycho in the prison for a bit and slowly show more and more mutated inmates. Doing a playthrough of outlast and I just think it could've leaned into that type of horror more, since it has a huge 180° shift to psychological horror at the end for some reason. Tell us about the inmates and what they're in for, how scary these people you're locked up with are. But Glen Schofield wanted to crank it up to 1000% action and no horror 😭
Might I suggest trying the World of Assassination Trilogy (2016) of the Hitman series? My guess is that you've already played that but in case you haven't, I feel it will be a good example, one worth checking out especially when it comes to the topic of level design and allowing for a multi faceted approach to achieving the same objective.
I second this. As someone who doesn't like stealth games, Hitman occupies a niche of the stealth genre that I'm able to get into. It feels so free form and these generic targets get more character development the more you replay and experiment with their kills. Levels are dense with opportunity and are open yet also feel segmented because you need the right item and disguise to be there. Its more so a puzzle game than a stealth game that also encourages player expression. Personally haven't played anything quite like it.
Finally someone actually talking about the combat the way it was intended. Not a single youtuber talked about the crowd control methods. It seems like they all just waited around to dodge and mashed R2
If they added normal “boring” combat with proper dodging I’d play the game. I really don’t care if people are too cool for soulslike or spectacle based combat, its fun. The shit they did just seems pretentious. That and the fucking price is ridiculous in Canada atleast, almost 105 for the normal version. Which is about 80 usd.
This is another issue of releasing in a buggy state. If you don't want reviews correctly recommend against purchasing it before a patch comes out, then don't release it. Withholding purchase and correctly pointing out performance issues in buggy games is one of the few tools we have to stop scuzzy company practices. I hate that incomplete games on launch is the new standard, but rewarding the behavior is only incentivizing it.
I don't know if complaining about other peoples' perception of your videos is what your videos need. Just do your thing, ignore people who just hatewatch you and learn from honest criticism. This here sounds whiny and all the tiny channels that are obsessed with you will make some allcaps headline out of that whininess (is that a word?). And the cycle goes on. Stop that cycle, it's in your power.
Combat feels very lacking in accountability to me. Like the dodge system for instance, you can dodge indefinitely when dealing with an enemy or boss without having to run away or do anything. Dodge > shoot > dodge > reload > dodge > shoot Rinse and repeat. It takes away any sense of urgency, tension and intensity from the combat.
Respect the fact that there really is no such thing as 'timely' and that quite often the massive d i n that social media generates tends to shove me out of orbit, not disinterested or unwilling to give a movie/game a shot..........just unable to hear my own thoughts and the compulsion to view it all at a distance. A good game/book/song/film will always be worth discovering or re-exploring. For many of us, it's a huge bonus to see matching content from a favourite creator - many thanks man 👍🍻
seen someone show off how the fighting was suppose to happen. of course, haven't seen a single one where they managed to pull off a no hit fight, what already is as a problem, cause dodging with the left stick, leaves you still motion less, even if you play it perfectly, as soonas there's crowding. but with the low FOV, it is almost expected for even the strongest of ppl when it comes to motion sickness, to get out of the game with a raging headache. cuase every design decision, simply works against the fighting they wanted in the game.
I caught myself thinking "As long as I forget that this game's supposed to be scary, I'm having a good time" while playing it. It's not a "bad game" as I've said about Cyberpunk, it's just let down by it's performance issues and other relative dumb decisions.
For me, this game takes Witcher 2's place as one of the most poorly conceptualized combat systems. I think the GRP - it's a cheat to deal with bad design - is bugged, 'cause it doesn't auto refil so you have to go into Menu, find an Item, hold E to use it - Genius design. Mutations are baffling, 'cause, I swear, for me to reliably shoot it, I need to use melee combo + Quick shot, but Quick shot is an auto aim and you can't turn it off. What makes matters worse is that effects can become completely disconnected from Animation + no wind ups some times, Targetting is non-existent, Unavoidable damage is a Cardinal Sin, in my book, for many games and this one is not an exception. Camera. Animations are too long for everything + no Animation cancel(I think). Poor upgrade system with not enough Money and not enough Inventory and Loot to acquire upgrades. Enemy variety. Tedious end scenes. No Back attack indicators.
i'm glad you brought up the underground town at the end of the video because i hate the checkpoints when you craft a bunch of ammo then die and have to do it all again. 14:15
TCP's combat would have benefited tremendously from Doom Eternal's "Fun Zone" design philosophy, by which I mean it asks more of the player until they're intuitively using all their tools well. As it is, you don't need to be good at anything to slog your way through the game and have a miserable time doing it. Would have worked out better for everyone if there was a big solid wall that got you to start having fun or quit playing and refund before the 2 hour mark. They couldn't have tutorialized the combat worse: melee gets a QTE sequence implying dodge timing and directionality that doesn't exist followed by a single wall of text saying "actually there's no timing lol", and the GRP is introduced in a room devoid of environmental interaction. Just tone-deaf stuff. Honestly, I don't see how this game benefits from an infinite-window dodge that's also bound to your movement and camera angle when you could have just had a conventional button press system. It's as if they had a completely different system that they wound up cutting for time and just rigged something up to get it out the door. Further, they struggled to add any sense of progression to the combat experience. You have stuff that's in the game just to be irritating (enemies blocking your swing and dragging out combat while adding no interest or variation; your quick-shot targeting only aims at the tentacles sometimes) that you have to pay to get rid of. You have an entire blocking mechanic that's all but worthless apart from reducing projectile damage and doesn't become any less worthless with credit investment. Some of the weapons are outright newbie traps to fabricate that perform worse than your defaults and permanently handicap you by clogging your inventory with their ammo. Most alt-fires are wastes of ammo and therefore money. GRP recharge is 90 seconds fully upgraded and doesn't happen gradually, but all at once after that wait period, making it functionally pointless to upgrade since you'll be standing around between fights if you want to take advantage of it regardless. Same is true of challenge: the big wrinkle Two-Head adds is he's immune to melee, so after all those hours of playing, your resources you've been ignoring and selling down (because you have no fucking item box and every other door is a point of no return) are suddenly important, especially because you fight him *two more times* after the point where you quit. With no variation. Every way this game "evolves" the combat is by taking bits of the experience away, rather than giving you more tools and asking more of you in exchange. That's just scratching the surface. It shows in a million different ways that this game was rushed out the door to prop up Krafton's flagging stock value (60% down from Dec 2021). I'd love to believe SDS was screwed by their publisher but their own executives went on a marketing blitz as the game was being finalized promising shit they clearly knew wasn't gonna be in the game by then, like adaptive AI and big chase sequences and "beta paths". We got burned.
Do you think you’ll review the Dead Space remake since they’re actually adding new content and stuff like that? Or at least, do you plan on playing it?
I think the problem with the advanced aspect of the combat is that you start by doing something so boring you get stuck in a loop of boredom and non-caring, at least that's what I saw with some streamers.
4:35 i feel you on this if you dont explain everything you are saying perfectly people just think that you are hating on a game , your ultrakill review is a great examble while i think you can explain some things better it doesnt make your videos worthy off being bashed so hard and also man do you mind if you tell me the music you used in the video cause man its good
It's a failure of communication on his part. People aren't mind readers, we can't see what's going on in his mind, nor how he defines terms unless its properly conveyed.These are ultimately video essays and what is expected in written essays regarding explaining and supporting statements apply here as well.
@@unknownguy8687 This is why I think the conversation around this game is so interesting. The industry raised the stakes when they pushed their games ever closer to that $100 mark. I think it’s going to lead to even more risk-averse AAA games as developers stick to exactly what has been proven to work for the widest possible audience.
It definitely needs an fov slider and some camera fixes- However the combat definitely has layers and the complaints that there's nothing to do but auto dodge the whole game highlight how little effort channels put out to get day 1 reviews out
I agree on the combat, but the problem is that they like to throw multiple enemies in tight corridors, where all of these advanced tactics do not really work. But what does work all the time is shooting an enemy's leg off and then instakilling him by bashing his head. Also, the GRP throwing distance is hard to read, unlike kinesis throws in Dead Space
Yeah but they did way better, with a more interesting world, story and characters And with the second game they made it even better specially in the environment and combat This game lacks world building, lacks characters, lacks an good overarching plot, and is having an identity crisis of what it wants to be
@@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009 Even if the last of us series is mostly cinema schlock, the combat in that constantly reminds the player to never bite off more than they can chew. Like fist fighting a clicker or bloater, always thought that pull is among the interesting things in Last of Us combat loop
@@danielgeronimo5538 I have to disagree on the "cinema schlocK" part. They're some of the few games I would actually call artistic rather than fanservicy Dunkey laid it out really well with his take which orginally just chalked up to yet another zombie game until he replayed and took a closer look into how authentically the story was told rather than just taking in the surface level plot
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 That's just what it is to me unfortunately, didn't get the same engagement as I got from Uncharted because the encounters are just too far from in-between, and it's not like I have to listen to the dialogues or world building to solve a puzzle later or something, unless it is with enemy context. Story is good but, there are quite a handful of games I know that tells a good story and still be a video game for that matter. If others find it interesting or even artistic however, I am not gonna knock them for that, they can like it however they want, but even if I can agree, sharing the same sentiments is way too far apart.
@@danielgeronimo5538 But isn't saying that it's not much of a video game imply that it's more of a visual novel? Sure there are some walking sections but those alone don't make it a walking simulator...
My absolute biggest gripe with this is the story and the numerous "and then this happened!" moments. The story is so dull, the bosses bland, the evil generic corporation doing evil things, blah-blah-blah... The fucking filler, though, holy shit. Shuttle shot down, fall down the tower. OK. Then you're walking along the catwalk and the game holds you back so the girder can drop in front of you, splitting you up. Then the girder you walk over collapses so they can force you into the caves underneath... Then you escape but, wouldn't you know it, another catwalk collapses so you get to do the area again but with enemies that weren't down there before this time. 🙃 This happens so many times I was losing my fucking mind. There were like six events in the first two chapters.
@@BungleJoogie68 dude, right? Then the fake out ending - my god. When that guy is helping you at the start and there's just a gate in the way, like, climb over the fence - you've clearly shown you're strong enough (catching a chain at God knows how fast from two stories up) - and hop over. I mean, otherwise let's spend an hour fucking around in the prison instead. 🙃 😂
@@combatwombat2134 To be fair, Dead Space also did that sort of ending. The only difference is, it was this really near cap off resolution. Planet has exploded, big bad already defeated, you survived. There's no more story forward from there until that one last scare... Honestly had me and never had an idea there would be a 2
I agree. To me this is there first new game in awhile so i get it. Its not perfect. I do feel they needed to add statis like dead space as you can get grouped up and trapped. Yes the story is a bit odd as it dident have all the mystery i hoped for or replayablity. The combat was intresting. I admite it shows some innovation and i hope they can perfect it. Dodging is a great idea yet i failed it alot on meduim and with panic reaction got me killed alot. Plus the death scene when pilled up made it rough.. the final boss fight made me reload to earlier make all the ammo and change it to easy... part of me hoped for a dead space feel slowly grabbing new tools and suit upgrades. Yet the protocol seemed far to slow. Found myself asking what is next? The foes while fast and deadly. Make it rough as you may not get the best veiw of their movements making it harder to dodge... blocking seemed to be unresponsive at times confused if i did it or not. The worst part is I found myself forced to use the grip to cheese enemies just yeeting them off ledges.. it made it feel cheap like I lacked options to do much else. Grabbing explosives some times seemed to fail or glitch out and yea.. That was rough.. I hoped for alot more. More of a survival horror. For example in the protocol its super impossible to just evade or run past foes.. WORSTE OF ALL THE MECHS. THE THINGS WE ARE TOLD KILL EVERYTHING ON SIGHT. DONT KILL ENEMIES! they just ignore them and only kill you.. I was heart broken I was legit planning on using my foes agaisnt each other. Human infected and security systems. That alone would have made it intresting. Like I want to have an ah moment. Or a wait! Yes that will work! Oh my gosh I can do this! Or even a Yes YES LET THEM FIGHT. Above all my review is simple. Wait for it to go on sale. It has some intresting ideas and its neat to walk though and look at it like a mmm what if kinda of deal. Remember this is the first game in awhile. While its triple A Maybe veiw it as AA it will help your mind set.. Above all good luck and remember to prepare for the final fight.
I thought the combat was interesting but there are two factors why it has this massive roadblock to potential for me. The first is, the movement options isn't just as varied as I'd hoped they'd be. Take Condemned for instance, a horror game that is focused on melee combat and almost shares the same philosophy as Callisto Protocol does. Because the game has a variety of weapons to choose from it's always important to pick what you're good at and consider what works for you the best, adding in current enemy behavior in a level. Another example is something like Bloodborne's rally system, where getting hit isn't the worst case scenario and you're encourage to counter because it regains your health just a bit before you can hunker down, a reward for taking risks and mastering weapon variety and moveset, a system so good it inspired two of one of the greatest shooters in the current and last gen. There is none of that in Callisto Protocol however, so I just can't wait for each encounter to be really over even if I am doing somewhat fairly good. Also that enemy variety is abyssmal, and I am saying this after playing through RE4. RE4 almost tricks you into thinking you're fighting multiple types of enemies when essentially, they all behave closely and similarly, what matters is what context of their equipment. That's why cultists, is so distinct from other ganados, and how other ganados are different from them as well. You can't use the same strategy, despite similar behaviors. Biophages needs more distinctiveness and variety, and that's a shame since they look interesting.
Hard agree. This game was something I was hyped for ever since the initial trailers dropped years ago and I have not been this disappointed in a long time. The performance issues I could handle; I knew they would patch those even if I think the game should have been release in a functional state. The combat though, being such an integral part of the experience and something you will be doing nonstop for 8-10 hours, just becomes mind numbing. It's like the gears were turning then stopped halfway through development and we've been left with nothing but a repetitive turn based beat'em up. Hit three times, dodge two times, start again. For 8 hours. The guns meanwhile have some variety but nothing substantial or in any way that adds a new layer to the combat beyond popping a shot off between swings. Honestly, they needed to take a note from a game like The Suffering. Outdated abd old, sure, but that game understood enemy and weapon variety and had a similar setup; you are in a prison and everything goes to hell while you slowly accrue an arsenal of weapons ranging from a shiv to a tommy gun and each one is preserved or better used on certain types of enemies. And the enemies? Even the standard fair Slayers could do crazy stuff like crawl on ceilings like a spider. Injectors could leap at you, Burrowers forced you to move around as they moved underground like moles and only came up to attack, Festers were big and hulking; better left alone as they had a one hit kill and consumed too much ammo to take down. This game just has... Dudes. Any and all horror it might have started with you became jaded to after the first 2 hours. And that's just a real shame. I was excited for this one.
@@Impalingthorn The Suffering was also non-pretentious, it's over the top, sure. Can get holier than thou with its concept of executions as monsters, but you have every freedom to approach combat however you want and it kinda does still try to scare you, even if it can get really crazy late game. And then there's also Condemned, Monolith's under the radar masterpiece released alongside another classic, FEAR. You are forced to go downright dirty and gritty with enemy encounters, you can even see how malformed the enemies there when you headbutt them, but with proper understanding with mechanics and interesting levels filled with unique enemies, you are never bored. Plus it had one of the most interesting puzzles in a game, something that relates to crime investigation, with some CSI shit. I don't have high expectations from the game, but I was very interested in the combat and gameplay, but with that coming up short, I was left disappointed. And I believe the much needed criticism is in due, they marketed this game with some inflated titles like "perfecting horror" or some shit. Now I get it, you gotta promote your game, I've seen way more inflated teasers from Kpop groups, but you gotta realize, in this field and hemisphere, people take that seriously. And now we really have to pop the bubble, sorry Glen, better do well next time.
That was definitely the biggest disappointment for me. I don't normally let my skepticism aside these days but I did it for Glen here and I hate having to turn around and call him out for it, but he set himself up. He billed this like it was going to be the next evolution in "Survival Horror" and created an entire miniseries about crafting horror, like... It was pretentious in hindsight. Glad you have some insights about the combat, I never played the Condemned series but I have watched playthroughs and now that I'm thinking about it those games really did handle it perfectly. Guns were sparse and when you did get them, you generally ONLY had the ammo in the magazine, but as a tradeoff they PUNCHED and felt satisfying. The melee tradeoffs were great. The atmosphere understood what it was about. And you know what? Condemned 2, for all its problems, still understood how a Chase segment should be done; that god damn bear scene is legendary. My experience has mostly been with oldschool survival horror; Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Alone in the Dark, etc. I've played a lot of other stuff like FEAR, Alan Wake, Call of Cthulu (Dark Corners of the Earth), Amnesia, but few of them have the gritty, stylized combat like what you see in Condemned or the type of considered enemy design like in The Suffering. I'm just seeing all the things Callisto could have been and it hurts knowing how surface level most of it is. I'm not even a huge fan of RE4 compared to others, but I do think it could have taken notes from that game because THAT game understood how to mask its linearity and make section to section gameplay FUN... Or, hell, they could have just taken more notes from their previous game, Dead Space.
@@Impalingthorn Another thing about Condemned 2 is, it has the same system Callisto Protocol has with its blocks and counters, but the difference is, it's not a dodge, it's a freaking counter. You avoid damage as much as you deal it back, it makes you feel like you're actually brawling and the enemies aren't as brain dead as the biophages were because they know what you're on about and they will not deal with it. You can use the similar strats from RE4 with Callisto Protocol, but it's boring because, unlike the action system of RE4, you don't earn that suplex or roundhouse. Picture this, if RE4 had the village ganado as the main enemy every single time, you learn the main gameplay loop, and you fight the chainsaw man as bosses across the game and had Bitores Mendez as the final boss. That is what Callisto Protocol is, it's not fun.
It's b/c you can see the overall direction of gaming as a whole and it's always detached from the basic foundation of it's genre or original game. A movie masquerading as a game or a game masquerading as a movie.
I agree 100% with all that you said. Great video! Although I never had any camera problems like you showcased. I guess I'm just lucky?? But I will argue that the camera is super bad, absolutely.
i saw the Specs requirements are a tad demanding Deadspace was a least quality for it's time and actually aged well. next years remake might improve it but i'd haveto get a whole new PC to get spec to play it.
I wanted this game to be a great survival horror😐 . .. maybe The sequel will be what they promised this game will be. That's if they get to do a second one. With a lot of improvements we might get a good one.
Im playign it for the furst time on PS5, the performance us fine, graohics are amazing and the combat is interesting. When it works it feels visceral and awesome. I hope they improve the combat system in another game, or someone else takes the ideas and adds to them because its very interesting
Perhaps the developers didn't have bigger budget for the game so they decided to glue different features from other games which looked cool there but did not created game's own style, something simple but memorable, something that makes The Callisto Protocol.
Hey man I think that theres nothing wrong with covering this game for traffick reasons, its a big title from the developers of dead space, im sure most of us wanted to hear your take on it
My only issue with the game is Combat with multiple enemies. I actually like the combat, each encounter feels threatening. But when there are multiple enemies, the combat can get chaotic. Other than that, the game is beautiful and as for the linearity, Dead Space 1,2 and 3 are linear. DS1 revisits areas, but it's not because you can freely go back to the area, it's cause you need to go back. I refunded my PC copy before playing cause I saw the stutters. So i bought it on PS5 and it was beautiful
I feel like I dodged an bullet by not buying this game. It looked promising, but when people got their hands on it... Everything changed, and I backed out from buying it.
