The Canceled 'Super Titanic' - RMMV Oceanic 

A lot of the H&W ship plans archive was almost thrown out but thankfully saved by the Ulster Transport Museum; sadly they've so far been unable to get the funds to sort and catalogue the collection though. So there's a good chance potentially Oceanic's plans are among them waiting to be found.

I've always wondered about this ship, but never have gone beyond that. Thank you for making her alive!

I’m so glad you covered the story of Oceanic! It always saddened me knowing that she could’ve been built, but fate had other plans. Jack animated her beautifully, and you told her story eloquently. You’ve certainly been spoiling us, Mike!

I fell really bad for J. Bruce Ismay. He watched White Star Line closely his whole life, his and his father's pride and joy, and he saw it all crumble. He stepped up to the challenge and presented a plan to save the company. He saw the great potential of the mv Britannic and the mv Georgeic and he wanted to build more ships like them. Knowing how successful the 2 ships were it's sad that his proposal was rejected. Also he was probably rejected simply because of the Titanic disaster. Such a shame...

For the past 5 years I have been trying to find a decent Oceanic documentary unsuccessfully.... Thx Mike! I'm pleased.. Your amazing!!

Saddens me she didn’t come to existence. She was to be a BEHEMOTH and such a badass design.

Oceanic III is a ship I genuinely wish had been completed. She would have dominated the ocean and who knows maybe she would have survived into the modern day instead of Queen Mary. I love Queen Mary but I can’t deny loving Oceanic much more.

It's a real shame she was never built. Paintings of the Oceanic are absolutely gorgeous and her design is one of my favorites. I wish her design plans could be found so an accurate 3D model could be built. Although since they're lost to time she's sort of a clean slate for anyone who might want to try their hand at designing an ocean liner from this era. I would love to see a completed "what if" model of the Oceanic.

As a channel owner that focuses on Greek ships, I'm fascinated with the ships of the past. I appreciate everything you and the channel The Great Big Move provide to us, all the information, animation story of the ship and everything else! Keep up the good work!!!

I just love the way you bring history to life. You're a wonderful storyteller. 🚢

This ship’s design is so pleasing to the eyes…

Oh my heart. I know I've talked to you a few times about the Oceanic, and the idea of drawing her and stuff. I just love everything concerning her, and I am so glad you made this video.

Thank you from Montreal, my grandmother (passed away in '48) came to Halifax at 15 yrs of age from Birmingham, England, alone, onto working as a domestic. She came over with the ship which was the 1st to rescue Titanic survivors (starts with a C...). She survived the Halifax Explosion, pregnant at 43 with her 1st daughter, my aunt, her 1st husband, shell shocked, hung himself. She passed away when mom was 10 and my grandfather (a soldier) purchased a row house on Cunard St., Halifax, built in '88. I'm enjoying your educating me on just how very important these ships were and how brave my grandmother must have been! ❤ 😊

I just recently found your channel, and I find your subject matter absolutely fascinating. There's something truly amazing about these old Luxury liners from the past. I can only imaging what it must have been like to travel on one of those glorious ships. I'd also like to say you are one impeccable dresser. You easily put other content creators to shame. I'm nominating you for the 'Best Dressed Man on RU-vid' award! Please keep these awesome videos coming.

This video is actually genuinely underated and damm

So glad you covered Oceanic with this episode. Also, I'll say it obce and say it again, Mike's narration and scripting of these episodes is second to none. Keep up the good work, Oceanliner Designs team 👍

hey Mike! I want to thank you for these videos. I love the videos, the topics and the way you explain things. In my childhood I was fascinated by the big ocean liners like Titanic or Queen Mary. Well, I discovered your channel two weeks ago and I love it. I'm Swiss and can improve my English through your videos! Thank you for the big content

Thanks for covering this Mike! This ship has gotten a lot of interest over the years and its great that someone is finally covering this piece of forgotten history of what could have been.

What a great summary of the unbuilt OCEANIC. The computer generated views of the ship were superb. Thank you for your work.

Thank you so much for this Mike and your team . Loved it . This would have been an extrodinary ship and very much ahead of its time if it had been built . Your content is extrodinary and oceanliner design is my go to channel . Very proud of you .

Another fantastic presentation ! In the past I have been, at best, a curious onlooker regarding ocean liners. I must say that your channel has raised my interest to considerably higher level ! And once again, I must commend you not only on the quality ( and quantity ! ) of your research but also on your actual presentation and persona - thank you very much !

This is a fantastic little history of the white star line's fate.

That was a hell of a tale and a nice bit of history. It's a shame about the diesel-electric system being dropped. Steam-electric was pretty effective on the _USS Lexington_ and _USS Saratoga._

What a great video, Mike! It really would have been great to see RMMV Oceanic come to life and see where her life would go. I honestly like the original design of her aka the modernized Olympic design and it became the inspiration for my own Ocean Liner, RMS Reliant. It’s a dang shame Oceanic was never finished, but we can only imagine a world where RMMV Oceanic was real. Impressive work, Oceanliner Designs Team! I’m looking forward to seeing what you guys do next.

I must say, I look forward to your new videos. I have not even watched this one yet and already my day has been made. Thank you for your great documentaries. You are among a select few RU-vidrs I watch regularly, and documentaries are a huge bonus to me. On days with little to nothing to do, I rather be learning something new be it a small, or large part of history at large. Science, engineering, history, the things I miss from when TV had great learning channels.

Mr. Brady I just love the way you tell the history of ships. I so glad that you take the time to tell the history of ships. Thank you Michael. Keep them coming.

Every time you mention the Olympic scrapping, I can't help but wonder... did any of them realised they were scrapping history?

As always, incredible. Your Channel is no. 1 within this category and should be awarded. I don't have to tell why.

I am so glad you finally made a video on RMMV OCEANIC she was a butifole and elegant vessel that was never finished

This was a amazing video about the RMMV Oceanic. Learned so much more about this ship. Thank you so much, Mike!

Thank you for this; I'm glad that RMMV Oceanic has finally gotten her own video on a major channel. She's also a ship that could've been (but never will be) built instead of anything resembling RMS Titanic. The fact that we don't know much about her, especially about her interiors, would've allowed her to be modernised much more easily.

I would never of heard about half these ships you do history on if it weren't for your enthusiam Mike. Keep up the good work !

FINALLY SOMEONE COVERED THIS IN DETAIL! Thank you so much Mike!

Thanks Mike for filling in all the gaps in this story. All I’ve ever read was that the Oceanic was a victim of the Great Depression. This was fascinating.

Thank you, Mike, for compiling this great addition to the White Star lore. The Oceanic has been a ship I’ve wondered about for years. But having its construction cancelled, I’ve never really seen much about the plans and design of the ship beyond a couple of beautiful exterior renderings. At least now we know more about what caused liner to be cancelled, and it’s indeed sad that it couldn’t have been begun sooner, at least to the point where it would have made more sense to finish the ship rather than scrap it. I knew even less about the smaller ships that came after. I wasn’t aware that White Star had ultimately built another Britannic, and I don’t think I had ever heard of the Georgic, either. So again, thank you for your diligent research! 😊🚢

Two corrections for your turbines. The first turbines were indeed bolted directly to the propeller shafts - that's how Mauretania worked - but this was dreadfully inefficient. Turbines are intrinsically high-speed devices; one of Sir Charles Parson's very first commercial turbines turned a generator to supply lighting to a skating rink, and it turned at 13,000 revolutions per minute (rpm). Essentially, the faster a turbine turns, the more efficient it can be - but propellers are inherently low-speed devices. Maximum efficiency is found by imparting a slight change of velocity to a large mass of water (or air - airplane propellers are the same); and if you turn your propellers too fast, they waste a great deal of energy just thrashing the water using lots of extra fuel, and they emit great noise and greater vibrations to the hull, incommoding your passengers. So fairly early in the saga of the great 20th-century ocean liners, some form of reduction gearing was put between the turbines and the propeller shafts. I say "some form" because while this was commonly done with large gears, the French Line's Normandie had turbo-electric drive - the propulsion turbines drove two-phase alternators and the main propulsion motors had 22-phase rotors, providing (when running synchronously) an 11:1 reduction. One of the great benefits of turbo-electric drive is that it has full-astern power; modern geared turbines don't. But they do indeed turn in reverse, through the addition to the bladed turbine wheel of a small section at one end, with the rotor-and-stator blades put in backward. When the ship needs astern power the steam is pushed through these blades, and the whole powertrain - including the propeller shaft and propeller - turns backward. This provides (usually) about a third of the power that the shaft can produce going forward; and it was "common" (?) for only certain shafts to be thus fitted. An example - on the Canadian Pacific liner Empress of Britain, a four-shaft liner, astern power was available on only the two inboard shafts. And with modern cargo ships' diesels, which are usually bolted to the propeller shaft, they stop the whole engine and start it again turning in the opposite direction.

Beautifully told. I'd often wondered what happened to White Star Line after the Titanic tragedy but never actually looked further. This nicely sums the company up through Oceanic. Thankyou very much...

Thank you, Mike, you and your team turn words and facts into a gripping multifaceted experience, a sharp script backed by gorgeous visuals and beautiful music. I can almost smell the sea spray and feel the humming steel beneath my feet. A fabulous breakfast treat here I'll be late to work today, but it's totally worth it! Cheers!

Thank you again Mike for covering this story. However I am also very curious about the never built ship Nederland from the Red Star Line in 1914. There is a website claiming that she was going to look like a mini-Titanic with four funnels, afterwards it became three funnels and then the project was abandoned.

Another interesting video. One point though, steam turbine powered ships did not use reverse gear to go in reverse. Turbine ships had reversing turbines, usually in corporated into the casings of the main turbines. Reverse power was of course less than that of the forward power. The gearboxes were reduction gears to reduce the efficient turbine speeds down to that of speeds most efficent for the propellors.

Wonderful images! I love your recreations as much as the archival footage which is dazzling. Thank you for the video!

Love the video as always! :) I'm very fond of Oceanic and I often think of what she might have looked like. I think she could have been "Normandie before Normandie", at least exterior-wise. One wonders how her interiors might have looked, would they be the more traditional Britannic-style decor or the more radical Georgic-style art-deco? I tend to lean more to the latter, as in the scenario that she was ever built, Britannic would still exist, and serve that same traditional role. While on the other hand, we'd have Oceanic take Georgic's place, and would probably get her very much modern interiors to sort of balance out Britannic's.

This would have been such an awesome ship to see built, Thanks for bringing her to life ! ❤

Great video, Mike. Everything I’ve read about the unbuilt Oceanic is after the merger of Cunard with White Star there would not be a need for three super-liners on the North Atlantic run. The weekly service could have been handled with Oceanic and Queen Mary. Queen Elizabeth of 1940 would not have been needed.

Fantastic video as always! The story of Oceanic is fascinating and sad…especially as it so nearly happened. I really hope you cover the MV Britannic, she’s so fascinating and beautiful in her own right!

Oh, Mr. Brady... How much your storytelling has improve on just a couple of years. You and your team deserve all the success. Can't wait for the _Scharnhorst_, one of my favourite ships. A big hug from Uruguay! P.S.: Thanks for answering my question of the _Titanic_ fire.

Thank you for another fantastic video! I served in the US Navy, and in the early 1990s my ship’s home port was Long Beach CA. (USS Kirk, FF 1087) I resigned my commission in 1993 and moved on to new life adventures. I am now back in LA to stay, and am inspired by your videos to go visit the Queen Mary. Keep them coming! 🌴☀️

You and your teams work never ceases to amaze Mike! Thank you for bringing this lost to time dream to life!

That was a pleasure to watch! I also love the (new?) background behind you!

It's crazy to think how different things would be if this beautiful vessel came to fruition. Not only for the ships we had then, but even the ones we have now in the present.

FANTASTIC job Mike!!!

Mike, one of your best episodes to date! Thank you!

Mike Brady you BEAUTIFUL MAN. I have been waiting forever to see you discuss the Oceanic, I was convinced for a while that she was lost to time, incredible stuff once again.

A brilliant and informative video,your research into the subject is amazing,cheers Roly 🇬🇧.

Mike, I absolutely love the photos of the bow in the ocean, taken from the water line. ❤ It makes the ships look so beautiful, so majestic, so amazing!

I’m so happy you made this video, I have been wating for more information about it!

*YES!! LET'S GO!! :D* Not really a surprise, but this is by far the best video on Oceanic on the RU-vid platform. It is also one of the best presentations on her story that I have seen anywhere in the world. I have long been a student of this ship ever since I first learned about her, and in fact, I think it may have been her more so than Titanic that got me into the downright exciting realm of alternate history. I am currently working on a series of ocean liner stories that I call "The Steamship Series," among which is indeed an alternate timeline story, which I call "Transatlantica." Since I am quite literally rewriting the history books with this one _(not actually writing it yet fyi; currently have a backlog of other stories that I'm trying to finish first),_ it'll probably be by far the biggest project of them all, just like Oceanic was meant to be the biggest liner in the world by a landslide at the time. While we obviously no longer have her plans anymore unfortunately, it turns out that there was actually a fourth set of plans for Oceanic which would have gone beyond even the already mammoth third design we're all familiar with. You actually dabbled a little bit on this but didn't go into much more detail. While the third design kept the boxier appearance found on Britannic (III), with a monstrous length of 1,050 feet, this fourth design would've taken much inspiration from the hull design of the Bremen, with a curved superstructure like the Georgic, and last but not least, a scaled-up length of 1,080 feet: absolutely freakish for the time period. Oceanic was probably the most important ship that was never built, for her very existence almost definitely would've changed maritime history as we know it. The most likely scenario to me is that her construction is at an advanced state come the Great Depression and the merger with Cunard, similar to the Queen Mary, except that instead, both ships are completed as running mates, in which case, the Queen Elizabeth would've never been built. Of course, for such a thing to have any chance at happening would require several changes in the way White Star's history went as well prior, which I won't get into. That is one of several scenarios that could've seen the launch of Oceanic. It's a big shame that this was her fate, but nonetheless, I'm really glad you finally made a video about her.

OMG I'm so excited to see this pop up! so happy you did this video!

Finally... I was waiting for years for someone to make a propper video about Oceanic 3, with more than just a few sketches... Great video! 😊😊😊

Thank you Mike for a very thorough documentary about a ship l really didn't know much about. So sad all the misfortune that the White Star line had, especially right of the bat losing the Titanic in ,1912, then the Britannic in 1916.

Absolutely love the animations! Great video as always mate.

I just want to say i really look forward to your videos, thank you for making them

i am not an ocean-liner fan _per se_ but i love an informative and well-researched video. as such i have seen most of this pleasant young chap's oeuvre. his vids are invariably excellent.

Superb combination of great storyline, historic footage and today's animation. A fitting tribute to the brief construction of Oceanic. 👍

Outstanding video! Impeccably presented and DRESSED! Cheers.

Always quality work, my friend, Mike Brady.

Meh, Olympic had a prettier stern.

Love this channel, well produced and edited.

I have always loved the way this ship looked and have always wondered what would have happened if it was made great video

Love these high quality 4K vidoes you've been making A fellow Titanic fanatic from Nova Scotia (Canada) here :D!

I like to think that if Oceanic had been completed or at least close to completion at the time of the Cunard-White Star merger, she'd have been Queen Mary's running mate instead of Queen Elizabeth. In such a scenario, it's likely that Cunard-White Star would've been a 55-45 partnership rather than the 65-35 partnership it was.

Great stuff, high quality as usual! Thanks again.

The latest Cunard ships still have the White Star logo in places. Not prominent, but I have seen it on the inside of an exterior cargo door on Queen Victoria. I was kayaking past her when she was anchored in Weymouth Bay during 2020 and the door was open. Thanks for another great vid!

Another truly awesome video. Thank you Michael!

This has been one of your more extravagantly informative videos. Really well done - thank you for your efforts! I've been embiggened today :P

Amazing video as always Mike!

Well, my friend Mike Brady, this a video I have longed to see. It is nice to see this channel return to lovely histories of ships and fill in the gaps of history, and not the “gloom and doom” of the shipwrecks and disasters this channel has recently done. I hope this shows an upswing back to the channel. It is hard to imagine a world with “Queen Mary”. Oh and I am still waiting for the reply to my email.

Thank you so much for covering this! I've been fascinated by the Oceanic III for ages, but I could never find very much information on her, much less as many depictions as I would've liked. Add her to Grand Voyage and I'd buy her in a heartbeat!

This is an incredible well researched documentary video. Fascinating insight not just into the sad history of Oceanic but the background to it all. I especially appreciated the background of IMMC and its relationship with White Star line. Then the tangled web of it being bought by Royal Mail Lines and all the financial shinnagegans that brought that group down. I have a lifelong interest in Ocean liners having been brought up in East Cowes in the Isle of Wight. It has an esplanade and lovely green where deckchairs could be hired. In the 50's and early 60's we could see a parade of ocean liners coming and going. Cunard, Union Castle (dead on time every Friday midday) French line, United States line, Holland America plus on occasions German and Italian liners . P&O had some but not all voyages started from Southampton. In the town almost everyone knew the names of most ones. When an unusual one came or when a new ship came that often brought out the crowds. When the United States came on its maiden voyage there was a huge crowd came out to greet her. My dreams came true when in Jan 1965 myself and 3 other students sailed on RMS Queen Elizabeth to NY en route to study in the USA. Interestingly another passenger had his dream come true on that voyage. He was in first class though. Tommy Steele the well known pop singer of the day. He had apparently worked on the Queen Elizabeth as a 3rd class steward before his rise to fame and had always dreamed of making a trip one day in First class. East Cowes is still a place for grandstand views of the Solent although these days it is cruise ships and container ships..but still with the added attraction of yachts large and small plus smaller cargo ships etc. I have a wonderful picture of PS Waverly passing by with a backdrop of one of the Red Funnel car ferries. If you ever go to the Isle of Wight be sure to include some time on East Cowes seafront. My sister always comments how fascinating that view is.

Wow, from ship builder to shipyard owner in 8 years...with a backing of course. A company that builds extensive products, not a programed software. That truly does not exist today. Great bit of history, amazing presentation. Thank you again!

Another great video Mike. Your ending thoughts are pertinent and food for thought. 👍

It really sound like White Star not only was grossly financially mismanaged but had also lost its Design mojo.

Another wonderful presentation Mike. Love your work mate. BZ 😊

Always a good day when Mr Brady posts

Mike your such a great story teller! Actually got me interested in things I never thought I would be!

Excellent presentation, well ordered and historically filled

Greetings, I always immensely enjoy your videos as one who likes oceanliners. You are a good narrator with good storylines and pictures. I appreciate that you dress the part also. Please continue the good work. Your content is excellent.

Excellent presentation. A very impressive level of research to produce such a interesting and historical video of by-gone era. Thank you.

been waiting on this! FINALLY

Thanks Mike, amazing as always ❤

An Ocean Liner Design video about my favorite liner that never was? Sign me up! Love the Oceanic III, And I wish she was a reality.

Mike thanks for the history lesson on White Star in kinard I didn't know most of this I found it very very educational and how the ships came about and moved around.

YESSS been waiting for the OCEANIC III video since u started your videosXD

Another great video. Thanks so much!

My Friend Mike Brady-- terrific story! Thanks!

Another great video Mike!

The animations are amazing. Thanks for telling the story 😁

Your videos are amazing Great graphics/storytelling are incredible

Took me three attempts to watch this because of distractions in life, but I finally finished. Well done. Thanks for sharing.

Just dont forget the binoculars and maybe put some more powerful spot lights on the front of the Oceanic so you dont get Titanic'd.