What if there were a similar "low-profile" Wonder Woman series? A series in which, say, Diana Prince is operating undercover, without her powers (or with extremely limited powers, maybe only functional for a few minutes each day), living as an assistant professor of Classics at a small college, recently turned coeducational (Holliday College, of course), tracking down lost Amazons who have lost their memories and reawakening their recollections and remind them of their duty to return to Themyscira so the Amazon army can be at full strength in time for a coming crisis (an invasion from Apokolips?). Maybe she prefers white outfits...?
Just hate they don't do a flat out show based on the A-list characters Superman, Batman, and Green Lantern. Smallville was alright but still you could tell it still wasn't all in.
Bothered me too, you're telling me a invasion of cloned Kryptonians was out there but not a stone man from an alien world with Omega beams or a full Superman costume?
I know, right! Like, the closest thing to a proper live-action Superman series we got in the past two decades was Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. Now, don't get me wrong, I loved the interaction between Lois and Clark, and it's a cult classic for good reason. But, unfortunately, the action is lackluster and the stakes are low. Furthermore, the VFX are lacking compared to what they are right now. All I really want from the IP is a live-action series that focuses on Clark Kent, but doesn't shy away from the Superman aspect. Superman: The Animated Series, as well as Justice League, did right by superman, but didn't focus as much as it should have on Clark Kent. Understandable, given that it's a set of 20-minute episodes, but still disappointing. Maybe there could be like, a set of 40 minute episodes. Have a tight plot, instead of episodic releases like the CW series have, so that it doesn't fall prey to filler. Use the Clark Kent aspect to the fullest; not only show Superman's intelligence via his detective skills, but also show his compassion and empathy in the way he interacts with people, even without the suit. Clark Kent isn't just Superman's secret identity, it's a fully fledged identity in and of itself. At the same time, a bit of action wouldn't be remiss. I would love to have them bring in a few big Superman threats, and the season finale should definitely be action packed. And, obviously, show Superman not just as inspiring random individuals by talking them down from things like suicide, like he has in the comics, or little acts of kindness, but also show how he manages to get through to his villains, on occasion, and persuade them to, even if it's only temporarily, try helping people for a while. Basically, just combine the interpersonal relationships and run time of L&C:TNAS with the action and awesomeness of the animated series. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll ever have a series that will manage to do this. Even if we get a TV show in the future, which I doubt, given that we've got Supergirl on the CW and WB is fantastically bad at handling the character, I doubt it'll ever live up to my expectations. Guess I'll have to make due with what I've got till then, and rewatch those series for the 57th time.
Certain things like if special effects and tv budget were available at the time as well as the mentality of execs being unsure if TV was the scale for characters fitting for movies was probably why we never got a proper al out show but we're getting there with some of these shows now
*_Gotham,_* alas, did not stick the landing. The series finale should clearly have been Bruce leaving Gotham to begin a long world tour of study with the world's greatest detectives, magicians and actors (perhaps tracking down cells of the League of Shadows along the way).
It's WB's (or some schmuck producer holding on to the franchise) stubborn insistence that Batman can only be used in movies because people are dumb and they'd get confused with a tv version. Arrow was supposed to be a Batman show. It's producers sure as hell wanted it so much to be a Batman show they even stole Batman rogues from time to time. Even with the CW cringiness, what worked within that universe worked very well, especially within a tv series budget. It's time that WB wised up to the fact that an ongoing Batman tv or stream service series might be more profitable now than a movie franchise. Especially in these days where the movie industry's future is rather uncertain.
Sadly it seems they're gonna keep trying to avoid directly showing us Batman on TV. Both Titans and Batwoman have now gotten actors who play Bruce Wayne but who aren't allowed to play Batman. And they're now developing a bunch of TV shows set in the same universe as Matt Reeves' Batman for HBO max which will all probably also try to keep Batman out of frame as much as possible. Which is just dumb.
The Bruce Wayne series could have been big but due to the studio focusing more on movie ideas instead and scrapping the project was just wrong and stupid. But despite this along came Smallville one of my favorite superhero TV series from my early teens and later on Gotham which I think is good.
I liked smallville but I think its seasons were too long. Season 6 and 7 should've been 16 episodes, seasons 8 and 9 13 episodes, and season 10 at 12 episodes.
I remember when *_Smallville_* was first running on television. I got a kick out of telling people that it was "one of those shows about a town where there are all sorts of strange things. But what nobody knows is that the strangest thing in the whole town is a Freshman at the local high school . . . named _Clark Kent."_
While “widely believed” by fans and creators, the Idea that Bruce is just a disguise is a worn out simplification that Darwyn Cooke, Ed Brubaker and Grant Morrison all disproved in their own great works. Edit: Also, was that Alex from HiTop Films?
It actually sounds interesting, I’m glad we got Gotham and if we got this (Bruce Wayne) series we probably wouldn’t have gotten Gotham, but I still would’ve liked to see what would’ve happened if we actually got Bruce Wayne
I remember reading about this in Wizard Magazine back in the late 90s/early 2000s. When Smallville eventually came out, I figured that it had morphed from the Bruce Wayne concept, and it looks like I was right.
Plus, in a TV format, you can really dive into the characters. SCARECROW, particularly, has never been done properly in ANY adaptation! He’s essentially FREDDY KRUEGER, if you think about it. But you have to set it up properly. Have the first couple of seasons focus on regular ORGANIZED CRIME, and slowly work in the ROGUES GALLERY that makes Batman so special.
Super interesting, I'd never heard about this before. Considering the state of live-action Batman and live-action superhero franchises at the time, and what we eventually got later in the form of the Nolan trilogy, it might be for the best that this Bruce Wayne show never came to be. But it's very cool to learn about what was proposed and what might have been!
I still want a Batman show dang it! Something like Daredevil or Titans proves they can make dark gritty shows and that's perfect for Batman. I don't get why we can't have both blockbuster movies and a live action show too?
@@wajahathussain5585 Yep they think it will cut into their profits ,but really their shit handling of the Batman is what will/is hurting the earnings ,they should know some of us consider the Arkham games/animated series BatMan the true Batman ,these other wimpy versions are always getting their butts kicked/saved ,only good movie Batman was Keaton for the above mentioned reasons ,he inspired the animated series Batman
Damn I would absolutely would've loved a good Bruce Wayne tv serie. Following him on his journey to become the Dark Knight. Personally I think that Tom Willing would've been amazing as Bruce Wayne.
One idea that's been circulating in my head for a while is a League of Assassins/League of Shadows series. I think that would be a great idea of introducing a pre-Batman Bruce Wayne while keeping an action-oriented, superhero-feeling premise, something Smallville could never really be.
the problem with smallville was that its season were too long. If season 6 and 7 were 16 episodes, and seasons 8, 9 and 10 were 13, it could've been better.
yeah i'm glad they did not touch the bat ,it would have ended up like smallville ,with chars that don't belong in that time period and elongating the time it took for him to become super man just to stretch out the length of the show...oh and in the case of Smallville an actor who did not think/want to put on the super tights in a superman show
WB was stupid, they should have given the Bruce Wayne series a chance and see where it could have taken the legend of Batman in live action. I feel that studios when they don't take a shot of producing something with potential they end up shooting themselves in the foot, so to speak for not trying something like a Bruce Wayne series back in 2000
I think they should do a live action batman tv show where like arrow where it shows flashbacks to where he learnt all of his skills from his parents death training with alfred and leaving gotham for 7-10 years
Dean Cain staring in .. Lois & Clark: Adventures of Superman. Best follow up on George Reeves Superman series from the late 1950's. All of the Superman movies have been a joke. As for Smallville, Clark was not "Nerd/ Spock" enough.
Very comic book like, every five years you watch the movies you will see something new in them. The first two movies have too many plot holes in them. Also you can see a lot of Carol Burnett comedy sketches in the movie.
I would have loved to see a Bruce Wayne TV show the script and plot sounded amazing plus it would have been cool to finally have a TV show that actually focuses on Bruce Wayne before he becomes Batman just like Smallville but in a better way compared to Gotham which would totally get rid of that "Batman doesn't work on TV" argument which I've heard a lot
Nope, i think the thing we want, a real live action batman séries like the animated series 😂 They do a green arrow, flash séries, super girl but not batman 😂 come on. A batman series like Netflix daredevil 😍 it would be awesome
This Bruce Wayne show should have happened on The WB before it became The CW like in Arrow for example Barry Allen appeared in S2 then the following year The Flash came on so the Bruce Wayne Tv show would have been like that like Smallville and Bruce Wayne both DCTV shows aired on The WB and would have crossovers between them and that the show would have premiered in like 2003 if it did happened showing Bruce in his teenage years before taking up the cape and cowl
@Dave Nierop Actually, Bruce Wayne was introduced on SMALLVILLE. One season there was a character, a stranger who sort of showed up in town, named "Adam Knight". You know, as in Adam West and The Dark Knight. He was eventually going to turn out to be young Bruce traveling under an assumed name, and the relationship between Clark and Bruce would have started then. Then, with "Batman Begins" plans taking shape, DURING THE SEASON the show-runners were told they couldn't have Bruce Wayne after all, and they had to give Adam Knight a different back story. With his place as Bruce destroyed, the character became pointless and they immediately wrote him out of the series. Who knows what could have come of it? A spin off show about young Bruce? We see some of what could have happened once Green Arrow was introduced. We hear Batman type music when Oliver is using lines to move from one building to another. We see Oliver and Clark standing atop city buildings, posed as protectors of the people... It came to be felt by the fans that Oliver/Green Arrow apparently was the Batman of the SMALLVILLE reality. "Bruce might not even exist in that world." The SMALLVILLE SEASON ELEVEN comic took care of that, introducing Batman and his sidekick Nightwing...Barbara Gordon. (The last we see of them, Barbara seems to be hanging up her mask, and Bruce starts getting to know a guy named Dick Grayson.) If it hadn't been for BATMAN BEGINS, we might have had a proto-Batman on SMALLVILLE, or even a spin-off show. (Naturally, we can assume it would have been called "Gotham".) Many fans felt DC and Warner were insulting us, thinking we were too stupid to grasp that there could be one version of Bruce on TV, with a separate take on the character appearing in the movies played by Bale. We weren't, and their short-sightedness was an early example of DC/Warner shooting themselves in the foot, and injuring the characters in the process.
@@nakyer That's true you know i read S11 comic gotta say Batman's suit looks SICK and Awesome and how Barbara is Nightwing which was different to see like would have been better if she was Oracle instead in the Smallville universe
Very interesting, thank you. So that's where the cave scenes in Smallville from Season 2 onwards came from? I thought the whole idea was a bit strange in the world of Superman. Although I would have loved to see that Bruce Wayne TV series, I'm still more than happy that they did Smallville, since it's become my favourite series of all time. I am also looking forward to exploring Gotham, I just bought the first season.
@@ProjektTaku Having watched Smallville for a third time, I thought Seasons 1 - 7 were mostly good and there were a lot of very good episodes, but from Season 8 onwards it became bad, without the depth and the tension in the earlier seasons. Season 9 was very bad. They should have done a final season after Season 7 to wrap it up, that would have been much better.
I liked Gotham during the first 2 seasons, but I wanted to LOVE it. The series later seasons became less enjoyable when they threw "You thought he/she was dead, right? WRONG!" plot twists along with playing around with the origins of the established villains (I'm looking at you, Butch/Solomon Grundy!). While this version could have been potentially faithful to the original concepts, like "Smallville" did after Season 5, I don't have much confidence that this wouldn't have done what "Gotham" did.
It could still be done. Concentrate on the training years when Bruce went abroad. Expand on League of Shadows from Batman Begins. Looking forwards to your Denny O'Neil tribute.
Hmmm, maybe a dark, brooding, and menacing figure would be exacting revenge for Bruce Wayne's parents in his "DREAMS" and/or "NIGHTMARES" would have sufficed. Ya know...showing the "mental episodes" playing out in Bruce's mind. Maybe even introduce some kind of mental health professional talking to Bruce and helping to shape those thoughts. Oh well...
Everytime a fight scene breaks out on Arrow I tune out and start looking at my phone until the dialogue begins again. Thank God 60's Batman made fight scenes so simple.
I hope one day we get live action Batman tv show. Don’t say we have Gotham no I want a tv show and cal it The Adventures of Batman. Inspired by Batman The Animated Series
I wish we could have gotten a Bruce Wayne Prequel series at let's the people behind it knew what they wanted to be. We ended up getting Gotham, and to me that show is just not good at all.
Considering the fact that practically every comic-based show or movie that isn't directly linked to another show or movie is just doing it's own take of that world and superhero, I thought Gotham did a splendid job. Of course some parts were hit or miss but I really enjoyed it.
That would have been better... considering Bruce Wayne's training seemed extremely rushed, like they took shortcuts. I didn't like the weird choice to add some kind of prophetic element with Ras Al Ghul. The comics do a much better job -- not creating a storyline that suggests that darkness elements came to Bruce Wayne under some prophetic notion that he would be anything. Not that he would be on the side of spiritual evil anyway, right? It's a better story, that he was self-motivated, and had an intense self-drive to seek out the best trainers in the world and develop his skills... not because anyone told him to, but because that's the kind of person he was. The origin story that Gotham did, really cheated the character.... though this has nothing to do with David Mazouz as an actor or his portrayal... it's just the writing choices and the direction that they chose that I thought was weak. The Alfred Pennyworth origin story "Pennyworth" is looking really good so far, even though I just watched the Pilot, though it felt like a full-length movie to me. www.google.com/search?q=Pennyworth+show&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=M5aY9NZ73YihkM%253A%252Cjrx0yuNTlUmNbM%252C%252Fg%252F11grvk8lb7&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTmrC8TLW0jDgJpNbYFuDzaSaaRZw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjUkonWnOPjAhUkTd8KHfwyCAYQ_B0wFnoECAkQAw#imgrc=M5aY9NZ73YihkM:
Cancelled? Try "delayed". Even above your video title, the show "Gotham" is listed along with "Smallville". The Bruce Wayne series didn't get cancelled. It got delayed until after Smallville, and we had five (sort of) seasons of Gotham, which everyone knows was the SMALLVILLE series for the Batman characters.
I don't know why they have to dance around it so much. Just make a Batman show and give it a modern Startrek production budget. Honestly how Bruce Wayne became Batman is about the least interesting thing about that character to me. A means to an end. Really tired of seeing Batman origin stories, honestly that was one of the few things I actually liked about the more recent appearances of Batman; he's just Batman already.
I heard about this show. I'm surprised that Alfred Gough and Miles Millar were involved in its development. I know that because of this show not seeing the light of day, is why we have "Gotham", and, now, "Pennyworth", but, in my opinion, if anyone wants to do a modern Batman TV Series, with Batman actively involved in it, I think that this is how it should be done. Here's a link to a reimagining of the "Gotham" TV Show: www.deviantart.com/roysovitch/journal/Roy-Reimagines-Gotham-691093397
With HBO Max out now, hopefully we can get quality DC shows about the Big Three, without the teen-oriented melodrama of the Arrowverse or the IP restrictions of Gotham
“After the success of Bruce Wayne, the studio went on to produce a show about a young and hungry reporter, Lois Lane, investigating an increase in crime in her city and its connections to business mogul, Lex Luthor in a series that came to be known as Metropolis.”
Now the (BRUCE WAYNE) show series might of been canceled for right now; But that doesn’t mean that someday down the line the writers aren’t going to go back to their writing pads. I can imagine that maybe just maybe in a few years a (BRUCE WAYNE) show series could hopefully get made. To add I imagine that in the (BRUCE WAYNE) show series it could show in it how much training Bruce had done before returning to GOTHAM CITY, and how many journeys did he go on, and what types of skills did he learn to master, and to add how many new friends did he make along the way, and also to add did he ever have any other romantic relationships as well, and much more. Plus to add I can imagine that the (BRUCE WAYNE) show series could maybe possibly connect with the (GOTHAM) show series storyline, and to add I can imagine scenario in the story of how Bruce’s face no longer looks 100% the same as it once did because he had gotten his face very badly damage when he was on his journey away from Gotham City, and now there is only a 80% similar looking facial looks compared to his former looks.
"Bruce Wayne is the disguise and Batman is his real identity" Okay that's kind of bullshit. Obviously Bruce fakes a playboy persona for the public, but he's still a human being. He doesn't need to act like a dark and broody vigilante from the start because then there's no point to this origin story.
I honestly think the trope of Bruce Wayne being the disguise that Batman wears is so overdone and I'm kind of over it not going to lie. I really do think that exploring the dual life aspect is important for the character I think Bruce Wayne has a lot of remarkably interesting differences compared to when he wears the mask. I read the comics just as much for Bruce's story as much as I do Batman's, and lot of great DC writers explore those differences between them like Scott Snyder, Jeph Loeb, Darwyn Cooke, and a ton of other legendary writers that helped shape the character.
I have seen the Aronofsky script for his Batman movie and it’s fucking awesome. I saw it or I should say heard through a podcast who read through the script.
I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY INVOLVING THIS SUBJECT: First off, I think that it makes some small amount of sense that the (BRUCE WAYNE) show series was cancelled. But I still wonder if maybe there might of been a proper reason to why it was canceled? Now despite that I strongly think that maybe a different type of Batman story should be made into a show series. I have can imagine a number of different types of Batman ComicBooks stories; One is (The Batman) story, the other is (Batman The Brave & The Bold) story, the other is (Batman Prime) story, and another one is (Batman Dark Knight) story, and another is (Batman Warrior Knight of Arkham City) story, and to add another one is (Batman the Blue Lantern) story, and also to add I can imagine many other different types of Batman stories that could be used to be made into a show series.
Loved smallville. Always thought they developed the DC characters well. Really tried to give Gotham a chance but I just hated that series, just boring. Best Batman for me is Christian Bale. That Trilogy was fantastic, glad to see Ben “A’flake” gone.
Ugh comparisons to Anakin Skywalker are definitely not flattering. Prequels are fucking obnoxious, and nothing that happens to Bruce Wayne before he becomes batman is as interesting as his character when he is Batman. It's a story that doesn't need to be told (much like the origin of Darth Vader). Save it for niche comic books. If you're going to do a Batman show, then stop pussyfooting around and do a Batman show.
