WHY THE GOTHAM FINALE WAS THE WORST 

The finale was a like the first episode of a show we never got

Remember the badass speech from Riddler before the finale? How he said he will make the entire city bow before him? And the next episode immediately started with him captured off-screen, and somehow stayed captured for years

The thing I hated the most is: we barely get any explanation to why Bruce chose a bat as inspiration for his suit and not any other thing.

Say what you want about Gotham's penguin but Robin Lord Taylor KILLED that role. He knew his assignment and aced it w/ perfection. His portrayal of the Oswald Cobblepot is the best to date.

i love gotham to death, including season 5, but it feels like nothing actually happened in the finale, and in my opinion, it shouldve been a two parter

They didn’t have a choice. It was cancelled after season 4, when the writers always planned for at least 7 seasons. Then they were given permission to do 10 episodes to wrap the show up and after most episodes were filmed fox said they could have 2 more episodes which is why some of them were just filler.

I liked it for what it was. Let's be real we can tell the difference between a finale that was rushed due to the show ending and they had to make SOMETHING vs. throwing ANYTHING together just for the sake of 'ending' a show.

I want them to cast the same Riddler actor for a movie. I LOVED his take on riddler. I think he fit the role amazingly

Penguin's and Nygma's character development from Season 1 to Season 3 is unmatched in the DC Universe.

I never really considered this episode the finale. I know it's literally the finale as in it's the last episode, but the episode that came before this is the real finale. Everyone comes together to save Gotham City, that's the culmination of the show we all watched. The last episode is more or less an epilogue, as opposed to a true finale.

To be fair about the ten year jump feeling rushed, well that’s because it was. Warner Brothers was planning on canceling the series before the final season. But with major fan backlash along with cast members to give this series a finale, it ended up getting one BUT only with half a season’s worth of episodes. So I think more blame should be put on the executives.

If they continue “Gotham” they should call it “Gotham: Batman” . The show “Gotham” was about the villains, GCPD and how that affected Bruce. Now with the “Gotham: Batman” sequel - that will be about how Batman will affect the GCPD and villains.

I'm really sad that this show ended the way it did. I really would like to see a timeline where the show went normal for it's planned season 5-7

Personally liked the finale but I think it could've been way better and should've been in a 2 part finale

I hated how almost every character died and came back multiple times

Lastly, I think the whole Gordon growing the mustache just to shave it off thing feels somewhat disjointed with the approach it has, otherwise, to established Batman lore. The whole fact Gordon shaves it off and dismisses it as a bad idea on one hand is the show being like, "We're paying a nod to the source material, but we stand by our Gordon." However, on the other hand, it retrofits its unique and iconic takes on Penguin and (to a lesser extent) Riddler to match the general mythos. So, yeah.

I honestly love the finale. It’s great for what the show was, a predecessor to the bat himself. I always saw Jim as the main character and Bruce as a secondary, but important character.

I kinda liked it. Like, at least we actually saw him in the suit unlike Clark at the end of Smallville.

With Gotham ending in 2019, I think it would be great if by 2029 we get a sequel to the show. If they make a show 10 years later, they could use all the original actors without any complaints because everyone actually is 10 years older. Getting a series where David Mazouz can finally play Batman, Camren Bicondova finally gets to play Catwoman, and Cameron Monaghan can truly play the Joker would be awesome

I grew to love this interpretation of the Batman universe. I love that it reminded us that Batman can be over the top ridiculous and fun as well as dark, not just one or the other. I love these versions of the characters and am happy they told their story.

While I do agree with the whole “changing actors” part, it was actually Cam’s idea to step back and pass the torch.

The biggest problem, imo, is that it was rushed. Not just the last episode, but the entirety of the last season. They had half a season to satisfyingly wrap up several different plotlines from previous seasons, and on top of that they decided to try and introduce several new things. I feel I expected more with Jeremiah especially after the end of the previous season, as well as a more satisfying conclusion to the Cobblepot & Nigma storylines, as well as to their feud. The show was supposedly meant to go on for about 7 Seasons, but we got four and a half. Unfortunately at that point it's almost guaranteed that there are going to be some pacing issues. But I will say I did enjoy seeing glimpses of more comic book elements in the finale, even if they were unnecessary. Just for the sake of it, really, dumb as that may sound. Seeing the mustache was cool, the new Penguin look was pretty neat, and honestly the character was pretty natural going in that direction in later seasons anyway, though subtly, so I don't see it as that forced. I did prefer just the green suit and bowler hat for Riddler in earlier seasons, as well as that tone, but oh well. Also, the leather yellow gloves on J-Crusty were cool. That's a comic reference as well, kinda surprised you were puzzled at that one. But that's just my brief thoughts on the finale. I could honestly probably do a small essay if given the chance, but alas, no one will read this if it gets any longer lmao

I was just suprised that Gordan wore a bulletproof vest. Like dude, why weren't you wearing that shit daily?

I hate that the adult characters didnt age. They look the same before the finale

For the Catwoman recast they didn't have much choice. According to an article from The Wrap, Camren Bicondova decided not to return as Selina Kyle because of her discomfort playing an older version of the character.

I still can't believe that Pengiun, the fucking Penguin, would be in Blackgate for TEN fucking YEARS. The execs were afraid of the shit he (and Nygma) would do if they spent the whole ten years outside.

The riddler and penguin look like they’re from a fan film

The actress who played Selina for most of Gotham was the one who decided against playing the grown adult Selina/ Catwoman. It’s young Bruce Wayne did wear the Batsuit for those final moments and anytime he was stationary before that.

Echo as a predecessor to Harley does make perfect sense. In new 52, the Joker takes Harley down to a dungeon cell and shows her remains of previous Harleys. It all could be just a sick joke, but considering he just moved on to the next clearly obsessed girl (Punchline) after Harley, I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of it was true. It is perfectly predatory psycho behavior. If Gotham got anything right, is the fact that they avoided painting the Joker (Jeremiah whatever) and Echo's association anything remotely romantic.

May only real issue with the finale is the time jump. The constant reminder is annoying, especially when characters look the same. As for the actress change for Selina, I recall that being Camren Bicondova's choice. While I still found season five entertaining, the hype for it was better than what we received. The season was rushed, the filler episodes could have been more focused on No Man's Land, and there's the obvious connections to "The Dark Knight Rises". I understand the issues though, and the struggle the series had when they weren't certain about how many episodes they were going to have. I've said this many times, but I wish there was more focus on the other vilains. The filler episodes should have focused on Freeze and Firefly. Freeze could have had a clone of Nora frozen. It would have explained why he kept working for Penguin and Strange. Strange provided a clone of Nora for Freeze's services, but she was still ill. Penguin provided income for Freeze so he could do the research for a cure. It could have been that easy. I don't know if the schedule couldn't work for the actor, but it would have brought the character back to where fans know him.

In my opinion, the Penguin and Riddler acting goofy-ish was great, it always feels like the Riddler in comics was ment to be over the top , maniacal and sad. Season 5 ed was a better version of Jim carry's ed(no offense I love jim)and penguin has been in black gate for a decade so he's probably mad which can come across as goofy and the Monocle makes sence cuz he lost his eye in a fight.

The last episode was basically fan-service

To call it the worst finale ever is a overstatement because that final scene is masterful besides the cheap looking suit which is understandable he just started out. And also the scene with Joker and Batman in the ace chemicals plant or wherever it is (idk I haven’t watched the show in a while) is a brilliant

They dropped the ball on all of season 5. They really should have used TwoFace since he was in the show often enough and a Hush story line would have pretty dope too. Shoehorning Bane and even the Ventriloquist was just in bad taste to me

This show always had a weird ability to learn from it's mistakes quickly and adapt just enough to keep people interested. Like if you go back and watch season 1 it was originally an episodic "monster of the week" type format but they changed that to become the serial drama that it was until the end probably because the original didn't really work for the story they wanted to tell. Or like when they started bringing a bunch of characters back to life after killing them, or when they got a bit to much into the fanfic crap with penguin and riddler almost starting a romantic relationship. They recovered from all of these more or less and it ended up working just enough to get by. I think part of the reason why it worked is because you could tell they did genuinely care to create a good product and did seem to listen to criticism so people appreciated it for what it was. It always kind of had that amateur ao3 fanfic feel and that's basically what it was but sometimes they can have a certain charm to them. The finale was more or less in line with that so I liked it for what it was even though the entire series could've been a lot better.

The only thing I like about the finale is Cameron’s performance as “J” and I like the design of J as well

The Gotham finale was just as bad as the smallville finale and they did the same wrong move

For some reason, the moment I keep coming back to is when the Riddler and Penguin are walking down the street and then suddenly stop and look up at the sky to see Batman flying overhead. Which sounds cool on paper, except it's just silly on screen. They halt in their tracks and happen to look a thousand feet up... before Batman even comes into view. It's just a very sloppy few seconds of film.

I just assumed they had to rush it because they thought they were gonna have more seasons despite having at least one hugely underwhelming season. I wasn't disappointed at the older Selina. At least her look. She didn't have enough of that mischievous attitude that Carmen displayed

Gordon's mustache scene gave me Donte's "not in a million years" vibes!

My sister doesn't treat this finale as Canon. They really shouldn't have shown Batman...They could have shown him from a distance tho.

Gotham finale was the worst? If by "finale" then you mean the final three seasons, then that's exactly right. First two seasons or so were great. Far far better than I expected. Then it just became really stupid and awful

I loved Gotham when it first started. But I have to admit, I was never able to finish it. I'm not even sure if it was season 4 or 5 that I fell off the boat. I have tried to pick it up again a few times but just couldn't do it. Apparently I didn't miss out on much...except 10 years 🤷‍♀️

Instead of doing some batman origin bullshit, they could've just left us on a cliffhanger where bruce looks at the batsuit in the batcave with alfred saying some corny line like "It's time", I didn't like how they tried to squeeze in as much batman as they could.

Finally! A new video that isn't immediately spammed with "1st comment." It's a new day folks, and batman? Chef's kiss Also, just adapt the arkhamverse to live action, because arkham knight batsuit is metal as F.

The main problem is how Gotham was forced to shorten. They had ideas for seasons 6 and 7, but were forced to end things with season 5. And season 5 was half as long as what their normal seasons were. However, FOX did allow them to do two extra episodes than what they were given. So if season 5 were two episodes shorter, it probably would’ve been more disastrous. If Gotham was given more time then I would have wanted “The Beginning…” to be split into two episodes. It just felt too rushed with what the finale did and they need more time. The other thing is that the show was left with lots of unanswered questions. We never saw what happened to Bruce’s clone that the Court of Owls made after he ran away. And we never did see Barnes (the Executioner) after he escaped custody. And with Sofia Falcone in a coma, does that mean she’ll face Batman in the future? We don’t even know where Nyssa al Ghul went to after taking the submarine. And even though it’s not shown, Robin Lord Taylor said that the dog Edward lived the rest of his days with Penguin’s maid Olga, but they both had to deal with the mess Penguin left behind. But I just wonder how Edward got to Olga since he was on the submarine with Nyssa. And we never really did get to see the gangs battle in No Man’s Land like Mr. Freeze, Firefly, and Scarecrow. So we get to see what happened to them after. Man-Bat was even teased at the end of season 4, but we never saw him in No Man’s Land. And since Fish Mooney killed Sal Maroni, that means he won’t be the cause of Two Face’s creation. They decided to cut out Harvey Dent’s storyline.

I remember binge watching this entire series and having a huge crush on Cameron bicondova and I absolutely love the show and watching the finale episode made me feel depressed because it’s over and I loved this show and it disappoints me that this happened.

I believe the actress that played Selina didn't want to do it in the finale because she thought she couldn't pull off an older Selina

With J knowing is that even in the show and I think he said it himself, Jeremiah sensed this “darkness” in Bruce that always intrigued him so I guess J “remembered that.” Also, I don’t think J would revealed Batman’s secret identity since it would ruin the fun

If I wrote The season finale of Gotham I would set the story of Bruce Wayne traveling around the world learning everything he can to become Batman and training under The League of assassins that would be part one of the final season finale. my second part would be how Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham city then he tries to figure out, how to put fear into the criminals then he sees a bat flying through the window and realizes what he must become and finally he faces up against joker ace chemical plant to save Barbara Gordon and Jim Gordon. Then I would show him gliding through the sky by a police helicopter and then the helicopter pilot: says what’s that and he said it looks like a giant bat flying in the sky. then the credits Roll in

The Bat suit Is one of the worst suits I have ever seen The weird thing is You barely ever see anyone say it

I definitely agree with this penguin being his on version and having him wear the og costume was weird. Especially since I think charecters look better as actual humans rather than a colorful costume

Least favorite part: the Bat Suit.

“That man is gonna die in the chair!” 😂😂😂 so true

I mean tbh the new cat woman actress does look basically identical to a older version of Selena

Gotham's finale was perfect. It was never supposed to be a show about Batman. Gotham was the central focus not Batman. So to have the finale be end with the only scene with Batman in it was the absolute best ending.

Completely agree with nearly your points, Vee! As a fellow watcher of "Gotham" from day one, I really feel the finale was a mixed bag, but, for me, the good mostly outweighs the bad. IMO, the premise of this episode should have been applied to the entire season, rather than just the final episode. This way, the time jump would be right at the front end of the season and you'd have some time to adjust to the new normal. Just my feeling on it!

Gotham was a show that deteriorated after the first couple of seasons. I would say when they killed Jerome was the shark jumping moment. But it was Ras Al Ghul that really killed it. His intro to a young Bruce Wayne made no sense for their relationship.

I also both liked and disliked this finale. Most of my issues came from it feeling rushed, like they were trying too hard to get things to where they know they needed to be at the end. That being said, it was a fun ride. Seeing the reactions of the different people of Gotham to Batman was quite entertaining. Personally, I loved the fact that J(oker) knew that Bruce and Batman were the same person. I always enjoyed the idea that the Joker knows full well who Batman really is, but doesn't want to spoil the joke by letting on. I mean, he sees Bruce/Batman as his best friend. That's one of the things I liked most about the whole series, how the different Jokers ended up helping to shape Bruce in his quest to be Batman. I could even see Gordon knowing that Bruce is Batman from near the beginning, but I'm with you... Waaaaaaay too many people know that Bruce is Bats by the end of Gotham. I'm reminded of Spider-Man 2: Dude, Where's My Mask?

Truth be told, it was almost bittersweet in a way seeing Batman in the end of the show. I may mock it for its predictability, lack of clear identity, and the fact that it was clearly making itself up as it went along, but I'm going to miss it.

Positive note about this episode, it reminded me that Vee had hair on his head at one point.

I like how in the show there was this saying; 'Gotham has no heroes' and Batman shows up and he IS the hero, people say Batman is not a hero but a vigilante, but I think of Batman as a hero

I love Gotham, I think season 5 was pretty bad but I think the final actually saved the season for me tbh

I love the Kevin convoy and co cameos at the end

The Jokers plan is like the coma prank from Dumb and Dumber.

I feel like the finale was rushed and full of stuff as the show got cancelled and they needed to finish everyone’s story so they had to skip 10 years

I wish it would have been a 2 hour finale like we would have seen more of Bruce like his return to Gotham reuniting with Alfred and Lucius and then see him in his proto batsuit once again and would learn that he needs to make his enemies fear him that's when the iconic Bat scene shows up by the window to give him the answer.

I definitely agree with how they treated Batman himself. Absolutely loved the fact that he was hidden in the shadows the whole time until the final shot. Probably my favorite part of the episode. Don't really care for "J" though. If falling into the acid broke Jeremiah even more and gave him some of the aspects of Jerome it would have been better, but it's still just a janky looking version of Jeremiah.

I hated that the last episode was filmed in a glossy smooth motion format

The Best part in the Last episode was when Penguin shouted, "Noooowwwww."

Batman wearing his Halloween costume from Party City

I still feel sorry for Penguin's dog.

i hate what they did with the penguin and the riddler, they almost gave me nightmares at the beginning of their descent to evil and to see them so pathetic and fragile at the end made mad

Vee, Tom Welling's Clark has been drawn into the suit in the "Smallville" season 11 comics. I could honestly understand Selina knowing Bruce is Batman.

Here’s my thing. According to the creators, Bruce Wayne is about 17 before the time jump. The way I see it, they intentionally aged him up initially (his parents died at 11 rather than 8) to provide him some agency in the comics, so why could they not have had him dawn the cape and cowl at 17? Sure, he might be a bit scrawny, but I think it would be easier to look past than the recast they did; ultimately, he could have pulled it off. It would be interesting to see if they could somehow make a movie set in the universe of this show.

I feel like this show had more story to tell, however, since Season 5 was a very last minute renewal decision and they gave them only a handful of episodes to finish this story, in my opinion they did better than I thought they would have

They didnt even show the war with Mr.Freeze and firefly. They also forgot about two face and I think people wanted more scarface

Well, at least this finale is still better than the entirety of Batwoman.

Personally, I was quite fond of the ending. Although the entire final season to be just felt rushed. Like, we went from "building go boom" to "GOTHAM IS NOW A WARZONE FOR 6 MONTHS" or something.

You could almost think of the finale as a backdoor pilot for a Batman sequel series. I know that was never the intention, but it feels like it could have been.

There's no way this finale is bad, Nothing can beat the Eldritch abomination that is season 8 of Game of Thrones.

I was honestly disappointed with Cameron’s performance as J and I thought the finale needed more riddler and penguin

I hate how I feel like the ending left off on a cliffhanger. Now, i just finished watching Gotham like 10 minutes ago and i'm kind of disappointed about the "grand finale". Nonetheless, i think it's a great show and for those who haven't watched the show yet HAS to watch it. On netflix, its saying "Last day to watch on netflix: January 3". Good thing i finished it before it gets removed from netflix. I just wish the show wasn't cancelled.

I like the penguin in this show also the riddler really made the series stand out

I just watched episode 11 assuming it was the finale and was totally satisfied. The actual finale is completely superfluous.

i like the over the top-ness of the finale. i think it's definitely very camp and out there, but that's how it is in the comics- and i think that by having everything come together in just one episode of the show and having so many thorough storylines that converge is reminiscent of the way in the movies or episodes of various Batman shows, in which there are usually more than 3 storylines to follow, so i think they were doing that with the same comic book style as i mentioned earlier in mind.

THE JOKER WAS WAITING FOR BRUCE TO COME BACK... HE KNEW BRUCE WOULD PLAY THE HERO AND SAVE ANYONE AND EVERYONE, WHEN THE BATTERANG HIT HIM, HE KNEW HE HAD A NEW FIRIEND, A NEW A NEW RIVAL... THANK YOU FOR COMING TO MY TED TALK

Loved the show my favorite part was joker killing echo

I wish they would bring back Gotham and make it an actual Batman show

I love this show, One of my favorite shows of all time. I think Jeremiah knew it was Bruce because Ra's Al Ghul must have told him when they first met after Jeremiah's plan to destroy the city and turn it into a maze failed. There were a lot of implications that he knew Bruce's Destiny. 1. When Jeremiah asked to see Bruce in the GCPD interrogation room he said "My eyes are open as will yours be" 2. In the last episode of the series when Gordon goes to ACE chemicals to save his daughter Jeremiah says, "We are bound together he and I, it's one thing I knew for certain, the one thing I knew was true." There is no other way he could have known this, since Ra's Al Ghul kind of loved telling the future.

I think they should've just ended with Bruce travelling the world to learn the different technics or at least shown Bruce say his goodbyes before leaving Gotham

It was like 'spending time (days, weeks, months) regularly visiting a loved one in the hospital, but then not going to the funeral'---the loved one's life was okay and they were fun to be with, but it's just ... you don't get to be happy that they've passed on (which is why you go to funerals ... to celebrate the end of their suffering). But you're right about 'how Batman should've been more "a looming presence" than "an actual guy we know inside & out."' Sure, you could say that's what GOTHAM -was- for all the seasons ... but only for they who didn't know that Bruce Wayne was destined to be Batman. Maybe they should've done more movies that way ... possibly developing Bruce into more of 'an elderly gentleman who couldn't be doing all that Batman-stuff, until it's revealed that it was him all along.'

I stopped half way through season 3 because man oh man did this show become a convoluted mess.

The problem with Gotham is that it developed it's own take on the Batman universe so that it *isn't* a prequel to something like Arkham or the comics, but rather a very long origin story to a Batman franchise that we're never going to see. Thus when you're finishing it all off you're actually setting up something that would have probably been its own unique take, and there's enough different that I would have been interested in watching them do an actual honest-to-god Batman story without having to deal with WB's ridiculous legal bullshit.

The entire 5th season was trash, it had nothing interesting to watch and the concept was shit. Even though the show was amazing all the time season 5 ruined many things

Honestly if the finale was split into 2 parts with an hour duration for each episode everything would have felt way more cohesive and it would not have felt rushed

I just didn't like Barbara Gordon's arc. Took me out of the show. I liked the parts that had other characters in them. Gotham was a 7.5/10 for me. Better than FLASH season 4 to whatever the hell they're doing with lightsabres.

The first thing Batman does as Batman is break his no killing rule That really bugged me

Wow this one of my favorite episodes of the entire series. It felt like a pilot to a Batman the Live Action series that we’re never going to get.

I thought it was very, VERY stupid to introduce another Al Ghul. When we had 2 episodes left, there was NO POINT to it! I know it wasn't in the finale, but I just had to air that out. What I thought of the finale, I thought it was good. Not the best, but not the worst. It was a good send-off.