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The Canon in Christianity & Islam. Samuel Green & Adnan Rashid. 

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@samsingh6643
@samsingh6643 3 года назад
Hafs, warsh, and even al Bazzi are reading styles. They are merely recitations. The reading styles, do not impact on the Quran or its meaning. The original text was without the nuqat (dots) and tashkeel , the original word is the same, only the placement of dots for recitation purposes, only , and even with these so-called slight differences, the message remains the same. Tashkeel is used to change the sound or recitation value of the letter but the original word is the same and conveys the same understanding. The original and the root of those words are the same - ق ت ل - (q-t-l) قٰتَلَ Meaning 1 - قَتَلَ‎ (qatala, fought “to kill” or to slay) Meaning 2 -: قَتَّلَ‎ (qattala, “to kill, to massacre, to slaughter”) Meaning 3: قُتِلَ (qutila “to be killed ”) All convey the same understanding within the context used. Quran 3:146 1) Hafs reading - "And many a prophet FOUGHT.." 2.) Al Bazzi reading -"And many a prophet WAS KILLED. 3 ) Warsh reading -“ And how many a prophet [were killed and] To take verses out of context is not academic and worse is quoting a single line or half. So lets look at Quran 3:146 within context and see if the words used are all in the past tense “fought” (fight), “was killed “, “were killed” And how many a prophet (fought /was killed/ were killed and) with him fought many religious scholars. But they never lost assurance due to what afflicted them in the cause of Allah , nor did they weaken or submit. And Allah loves the steadfast. The verse relates to fighting those that fought in a battle. They can be killed or they can survive. The message of the ayah remains clear. The root of the words remains the same. Lets read the verses in context from 3:142 to 148 And that Allah may purify the believers [through trials] and destroy the disbelievers. Or do you think that you will enter Paradise while Allah has not yet made evident those of you who fight in His cause and made evident those who are steadfast? And you had certainly wished for martyrdom before you encountered it, and you have seen it while you were looking on. Muhammad is not but a messenger. Messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful. And it is not [possible] for one to die except by permission of Allah at a decree determined. And whoever desires the reward of this world - We will give him thereof; and whoever desires the reward of the Hereafter - We will give him thereof. And we will reward the grateful. And how many a prophet [fought and]/ [were killed and]/ (was killed and) with him fought many religious scholars. But they never lost assurance due to what afflicted them in the cause of Allah, nor did they weaken or submit. And Allah loves the steadfast. And their words were not but that they said, "Our Lord, forgive us our sins and the excess [committed] in our affairs and plant firmly our feet and give us victory over the disbelieving people." So Allah gave them the reward of this world and the good reward of the Hereafter. And Allah loves the doers of good.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Not true, they have different words.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Excellent point on Hebrews. Furthermore if they were inventing names to ascribe, why use names like Mark and Luke, and not use the name of actual apostles as well. The Dawa script is crumbling.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Can Adnan Rashid verify the claim that Jay Smith had to come back and apologise for making the point that Samuel made?
@ahmadnazary2434
@ahmadnazary2434 Год назад
James White he Said
@patrickfisher2817
@patrickfisher2817 3 года назад
Adan Rashid claims that the New Testament was not called scripture or quoted as scripture for hundreds of years but this is not true Paul calls Luke scripture For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood.”(1 Cor. 11:23-25) And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.” And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood. (Luke 22:19-20) The elders who rule well are to be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard at preaching and teaching. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing,” and “The laborer is worthy of his wages.” (1 Tim. 5:17-18) Paul quoted two passages as “scripture” here-one in the Old Testament and one in the New Testament. “You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing” refers to Deuteronomy 25:4, and “The laborer is worthy of his wages” refers to Luke 10:7. It’s clear that Luke’s gospel was already common knowledge and accepted as scripture by the time this letter was written
@visionbiblique
@visionbiblique 3 года назад
When scholars say the gospels are anonymous, they are speaking in the context of textual criticism. They mean there is no author name in the text. But they're not saying that people don't know anything about the New Testament writers.
@mohamudahmed6554
@mohamudahmed6554 3 года назад
They are literally saying that the Authors are historical unknown and in top of that, they were not even eye witnesses to the events. This is what the Christian Bible scholars state.
@visionbiblique
@visionbiblique 3 года назад
@@mohamudahmed6554 Your problem is that you are mixing a critical and a believing approach. Note that the gospels are texts written by Christians to other Christians. The 4 Gospels are documents of the Christian community from the first century of the Church. These are facts. The credibility of these accounts, for the historian, does not depend on the presence of the author on the scene of each event that he reports. The credibility depends on the distance between the time of the event and the time it is reported. Anyway, the authors of the Gospels (first century) are more credible than the authors of the Koran (seventh century) 600 years later. With an alien Adam and Eve, a Jesus born under a tree etc ...
@mohamudahmed6554
@mohamudahmed6554 3 года назад
@@visionbiblique Nothing you said address your original claim and the refutation of mine. The authors of the Bible, any mansucripts for that matter are historically not known. Do you knlw what this means? Who evee wrote the text with their hands is literally not known in history. It could me a man or a woman or even a teen. Secondly, none of the authors are eye witnesses to the accounts. So if i bring you a book written by unknowm people that never saw the events they are talking about, you would never even consider reading it let alone believing it to be divine. Last, but not least: We know who wrote the Quran, we know who uttered the words, every single detail is documented. So comparing the Quran, a book which is reality recited (Qur'an means to recite) and written by the scribes and friends of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wasallam to a book which was written in a completely different language than the original book by individual that never saw the events that lived in different places and in different times is ridiculous. Here is a list of FEW Scribes: Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq, ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab, ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan, ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib, al-Zubayr ibn al-‘Awwaam, ‘Aamir ibn Fuhayrah, ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Arqam, Thaabit ibn Qays ibn Shammaas, Hanzalah ibn al-Rabee’ al-Usaydi, al-Mugheerah ibn Shu’bah, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Rawaahah, Khaalid ibn al-Waleed, Khaalid ibn Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas (whom it was said was the first one to write down anything for him), Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan and Zayd ibn Thaabit. According to the large majority of critical scholars, none of the authors of the Gospels were eyewitnesses or even explicitly claimed to be eyewitnesses.[42][43][44] Bart D. Ehrman of the University of North Carolina has argued for a scholarly consensus that many New Testament books were not written by the individuals whose names are attached to them.[44][45] He further argues that names were not ascribed to the gospels until around 185 AD.[46][47] Other scholars concur.[48][49][50] Many scholars believe that none of the gospels were written in the region of Palestine.[51]" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament#Authors Refuted.
@visionbiblique
@visionbiblique 3 года назад
@@mohamudahmed6554 You tell stories. You take hadiths for real history. You are very, very far from the reality of the historical-critical Method. And the critical approach of the Gospels does not question the content of the Christian message. The 4 evangelists speak of Jesus, his message, his miracles, his death on the cross, his resurrection, his elevation and his glorious return with the holy angels. This is confirmed by the writings of Paul, older than the writings of the Gospels. You never ask yourself: if the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament (NT) are so unbelievable why the majority of scholars use the Gospels and other NT books when they talk about Jesus or ancient Christianity? Even Bart D. Ehrman, to prove that Jesus died on the cross, uses the gospels .... So isn't there something you don't get in the critical approach? ..... You should read your Islamologists and abandon this religious and caliphal reading ...
@mohamudahmed6554
@mohamudahmed6554 3 года назад
@@visionbiblique Also, your original claim is refuted and so is everything wlse you lied about. I am not here to educate your and its clear you have nothing to stand on when your own scholars refute you. Do not reply me, i will not bother to even check the notification.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
The idea of books being thrown out; is putting cart before horse, NO BOOKS CAN BE THROWN OUT until the canon is decided; therefore, no books were thrown out, the canon of Church has been the same; even the reformed canon, includes all canonical books from the 4th century. The reality is, Samuel, is arguing the accurate to reality position; a process of canonisation is historically demonstrable for both religions and is still going on - FOR BOTH RELIGIONS. Christianity however, is not dependent on the Bible in the same way as Muslim faith is dependent on the Quran.
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
The problem with such debates is, that it is a comparison between apples and pears.
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 3 года назад
What are you trying to say
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 3 года назад
@Abbas Abdullah - I'm a muslim and I disagree if the holy Bible really must be scientifically flawed then how did an unbeliever scientist became a christian after studying all the holy books of this world and saying that the holy Bible is the only accurate one both scientifically and historically his name is Hugh ross
@knowledge_lantern
@knowledge_lantern 3 года назад
I'm sorry samuel but lets be honest here you got torn apart by Adnan, in the stream you explicity admitted the Bible is not preserved and the Quran is and could not even explain the terms you were using when questioned by Adnan. one individual used scholarship whilst the other used fabrications and conjecture its very clear who did what. Every Christain in their heart knows deep down what Adnan is saying is true
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
Thank you for your comment. The topic of the debate was the canon in Christianity and Islam. I showed that the Christian canon is the Bible and that there was some discussion to formalise this. I then showed that the Qur'an is not the canon of Islam, but that rather the Islamic canon is the Quran and Hadith. There was much discussion to formalise the Quran as canon, but there still is no agreement among Muslims as to what is the canon of Hadith. Muslims want to compare the Bible to the Quran but this proves nothing because the Quran is only a small part of the Islamic canon. The Islamic canon is the Quran and Hadith. This is the context of my statements in the debate. Grace and peace.
@knowledge_lantern
@knowledge_lantern 3 года назад
@@SamuelGreen-AU thank you for your comment the hadith is like the oral talmud it is not part of the islamic cannon, for arguments sake if we say it was the authentic Sahih hadith are all clear we can easily distinguish what is what and have done from the beginning, You're a smart man samual come to the truth we would love to have you
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
@@knowledge_lantern I have watched many Islamic lectures and much of the beliefs they speak about comes from the Hadith. The Hadith is part of the Islamic canon.
@sylvaedwin2475
@sylvaedwin2475 3 года назад
@@SamuelGreen-AU i advice you to check out rob christian that exposed the nonsense that was spewed from adnan
@ripples2008
@ripples2008 3 года назад
Pls do not bullshit this way in the 21st century. As you know, Koran was a handiwork of Muhammad and his Conmen comrades sourcing information from books available of which main source was the Bible. Koran says there were 120000 prophets in the past which was an estimate by moron like Muhammad. He was not even able to name at least 100 of them for the argument sake of some kind of authenticity. Who is Allah? In simple terms, an Arabian God introduced by delusional Mohammed. This Allah was one of the deities worshipped by people then in Arabia who believed this Allah had daughters named Al-Lata, Al-Uzza, and Al-Manat, and had never been mentioned by any of the prophets in the previous books. Delusional Mohammed took this deity out and declared “this Allah is the absolute one” So it is empirically evident that this Allah was the creation of delusional but cunning Mohammed. and that Koran is a book plagiarized from sources available in the 6th century. A reader can understand this without any strenuous effort. So you Muslims must come to terms with realities. The more you try to whitewash Allah depicting him as the Abrahamic God, the worse situation you are. In addition, Another piece of proof that Allah was the creation of Muhammad is Sura At-Tawba 29- Sahih International: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the Jiziah willingly while they are humbled. Reading this verse, we understand that Jews and Christians did not accept or consider Allah equivalent to Yahweh, the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob thereby prompting Muhammad to bring about this verse persuading his conmen comrades to fight Jews and Christians. You Muslims must read Koran and understand the meaning using your brain, (funny thing per Koran, thought process takes place in the heart which indicates that Allah and Mohammed had no idea of Brain and its functionality. What a pathetic Moon god is Allah!) rather than swallow what you learn from moronic Madrasa teachers. You Muslims are unable to understand the irregularities and stupidity of the 6th century understanding of the then people. You guys have to travel a long way to have yourselves enlightened through logical understanding until which you are slaves to illogical understanding. That is why Muslim nations are considered pariah when it comes to science and technology. Look at the plight of the Muslims in the world except for the Muslims in the wealthy petroleum producing countries where Muslims from third world countries are considered pariah and/or Miskeen. You guys have to come of the shackles of fanaticism and behave like a civilized human being rather than become terrorists and kill innocent people to defend Allah, the creation by Muhammad, the conman of the 6th century.
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
I wonder, if Adnan Rashid believes in an evil god, or why on earth does he want the gospel of Thomas to be in the Bible?
@faithbent9205
@faithbent9205 4 месяца назад
Hi Samuel, God bless you for representing us as Jesus would. Always remember that although you may see Adnan as a friend, he does not call you friend because it is against his islamic teachings. Owing to this see him as your brother in humanity. Please continue to represent us with facts as you are being lead by God.
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 месяца назад
Thank you.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Samuel, during the conversation section, you should have insisted on your time to speak, Dr Daniel Brubaker, shows that the 'skeletal text' was not the same. You were trying to make good points, but they were being lost through interruption.
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
I do the best I can in the heat of the moment.
@Asad-2166
@Asad-2166 Год назад
​@@SamuelGreen-AUin the land of the blind the one Eyed is the King! Blind leading the blind! Every soul will taste death 🙏
@jamalkhan3708
@jamalkhan3708 3 года назад
Well done Dr Samuel Green 👏👏👏👏👏 Christians never fail or lose because we stand with the truth.
@ahmadnazary2434
@ahmadnazary2434 Год назад
Become Muslims My Christians Brothers and Sisters, your Life and mind will be cool and calm
@aslamfarooqui1990
@aslamfarooqui1990 3 года назад
Wao great Adan you really nailed it. Green was really destroyed from all angles.
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 3 года назад
Adnan is arrogant and I don't say that because I hate I've seen how he talks to christians he's a bully and I'm saying that as a muslim
@Asad-2166
@Asad-2166 Год назад
​@@theguyver4934🤔🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺Get your head clear ears clean and your thinking hat on😂
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Which text of the Quran from the ones used by Daniel Brubaker, would they say is the one faithful to the very first Quranic text claimed by Adnan.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
You did much better Sam, when you found your forcefulness...
@benviah
@benviah 3 года назад
Well done Samuel.
@danielpritchard9696
@danielpritchard9696 3 года назад
47:00, My main criticism and observation of Adnan’s argument is he is relying on the word of one scholar (McDonald) as evidence. It would better to present the argument and evidence that McDonald presents instead of just quoting “so and so said this...”. to actually present the argument and therefore doesn’t in my view throughly address the counter arguments raised by Samuel.
@gamabumda4196
@gamabumda4196 3 года назад
Samuel quote hadiths too without showing it..................
@smk1189
@smk1189 3 года назад
THREE FACTS that are NOT REFUTABLE in the Gospel accounts. 1 . . .Jesus NEVER said I AM GOD. 2 . . .Jesus NEVER said God is THREE-PERSONS-IN-ONE-BEING (Trinity). 3 . . .Jesus NEVER preached a single sermon to the Jewish people telling them he will DIE FOR THEIR SINS .
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
Adnan Rashid, I am tired of hearing "Entire books are thrown out"! There were NO books thrown out! The books you menchen have NEVER been in the Bible! Please remember this!
@gamabumda4196
@gamabumda4196 3 года назад
Book of Enoch was removed from the bible look up
@jacobyalfredo5740
@jacobyalfredo5740 3 года назад
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@davidmarley80
@davidmarley80 3 года назад
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@rogelioraiden8068
@rogelioraiden8068 3 года назад
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@brantleywesson4032
@brantleywesson4032 3 года назад
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@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
You can tell when Adnan is rattled; he interrupts...
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Excellent point on the fact that the Quiraat have meaningful differences in words, which means their are textual differences between them. The Dawa script is crumbling.
@jamalkhan3708
@jamalkhan3708 3 года назад
Which Quran allah has???? Or dose he have all 45 different Arabic Qurans?😆😆😆😆😆
@hasnainali-wn9fz
@hasnainali-wn9fz 3 года назад
That would be funny, if you could show us anothe quran!
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
1:42:50 What Mr. Efdawah here stresses, the Quran perfectly preserved by memorision, strikes me strange since a long time! I don't question the children's performance! I question the perfect preservation of the Quran mainly by recitation. If this would be true, then there shouldn't have been quarrels at all about anything of the Quran. THere were around a lot of wrong restations. It took Muslims over a thousand years to screw it down to one dominant recitation. - That is the picture, the Hadith shows us.
@smk1189
@smk1189 3 года назад
THREE FACTS that are NOT REFUTABLE in the Gospel accounts. 1 . . .Jesus NEVER said I AM GOD. 2 . . .Jesus NEVER said God is THREE-PERSONS-IN-ONE-BEING (Trinity). 3 . . .Jesus NEVER preached a single sermon to the Jewish people telling them he will DIE FOR THEIR SINS .
@muslimempirestudentofknowl8650
@muslimempirestudentofknowl8650 3 года назад
Nah bro get glasses or your can’t hear well he lost this debatw
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Adnan Rashid, please provide the proof of your claims about Bart Erhman, who - incidentally does not believe the Quran is a source about Christ Jesus life...
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
Why does no Muslim show us this mysterious one Quran??????
@mysteriousx3258
@mysteriousx3258 3 года назад
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@mysteriousx3258
@mysteriousx3258 3 года назад
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@visionbiblique
@visionbiblique 3 года назад
The debate is trapped. On the one hand we have a non-religious approach, on the other hand we have a religious approach based on hadiths from the 9th century, two centuries after the events.
@mohamudahmed6554
@mohamudahmed6554 3 года назад
This false belief that Hadiths came from the 9th century is simply false and very ignorant.
@ahmadnazary2434
@ahmadnazary2434 Год назад
Dear Samuel, lern Islam from Muslim, than you would Not make so much red herings
@ibitoyeibrahim9354
@ibitoyeibrahim9354 3 года назад
With due respect, Samuel Green should stop debating. He is a good teacher but not a good debater. He is just playing defensive, instead of playing offensive. No wonder Adnan rashid always want to debate u, because he knows ur kind of personality. Why cant Adnan rashid debate Christian prince, Rob Christian, Atun, Jay smith etc. Pls Samuel Green, u can't be soft when debating muslims like Adnan Rashid, if u go soft, they will always overshadow u with their lies.
@Ryan-xj2fc
@Ryan-xj2fc 3 года назад
Christian Prince 😂 , First tell your chicken prince not to hide behind his computer screen and tell him to come out and have a real debate with Muslims in Public.
@ibitoyeibrahim9354
@ibitoyeibrahim9354 3 года назад
@@Ryan-xj2fc , All Islamic debaters are scared of Christian prince. Is he his face u want to see so that u can murder him, or u want to experience his intellectual. They dare not debate him. Christian prince has been the god of all Islamic scholars. Call ur favourite one to try him or Sam shamoun. Jesus is Lord!
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 3 года назад
Even though I'm a muslim I have to agree with you
@axelace2048
@axelace2048 3 года назад
@@ibitoyeibrahim9354 Lol your excuse 😂 Muslims challenged him for a debate in public and challenged him for a moderate debate ,if your CP is so much talented then why doesn't he comes out or accepts a moderate debate challenge, ? Oh! I get it because he won't be allowed to shout,interrupt,hang calls when he is getting exposed or make a fake debate video( CP lied that he debated Sabeel Ahmad). Your CP knows that he will be destroyed in a moderate debate, this is exactly what happened when he accepted a moderate debate challenge --> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nImgVcemy3k.html
@axelace2048
@axelace2048 3 года назад
@@theguyver4934 Muslims challenged CP for a debate in public and gave him a challenge for moderate debate ,if CP is so much talented then why doesn't he comes out or accepts a moderate debate challenge, ? Oh! I get it because he won't be allowed to shout,interrupt or make a fake debate video( CP lied that he debated Sabeel Ahmad). CP knows that he will be destroyed in a moderate debate, this is exactly what happened when he accepted a moderate debate challenge --> ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nImgVcemy3k.html
@thewordrevealsgod.7744
@thewordrevealsgod.7744 3 года назад
Dr green when you debat this cult call samsamoun ore david ore rob christian they will runn away
@gamabumda4196
@gamabumda4196 3 года назад
Sam shamoon and David wood dont deserve to come to this debate. They are not honest debaters like samuel green
@ilj3168
@ilj3168 3 года назад
@Allhumdolilla For Islam poor muhamad got poisoned 🤢 and died and stayed dead , allah couldn't save him 😂🤣😭
@jesusismylord8719
@jesusismylord8719 3 года назад
@@gamabumda4196 my friend, one thing i know for sure is Sam shamoun would destroy adnan rashid and all the dawah gang! All of them are scared to debate him! Sam shamoun was asking hijab to debate him, guess what hijab offered Sam, to fight him in mma fight! He scared to debate him
@gamabumda4196
@gamabumda4196 3 года назад
@@ilj3168 muhammed companion ate the same poison and died in day 1. While Muhammed lived for more 4 years. Poison dindt kill him
@gamabumda4196
@gamabumda4196 3 года назад
@@jesusismylord8719 then Sam is scared to fight hijab in a mma fight by your logic.
@albertpacaj6871
@albertpacaj6871 2 года назад
The repealed old law passed the old to the new proces
@aslamfarooqui1990
@aslamfarooqui1990 3 года назад
Samuel dear just for your information: 1. Quran was revealed from God to Prophet Muhammad pbuh by angel Gabriel directly ( first hand information). 2. Quran was immediately memorised by the Prophet Muhammad pbuh his disciples, and his wives and his family. 3. After the death of the Prophet the memorisers of Quran especially the disciples and his wives who memorised the Quran directly from the Prophet. THEY LIVED FOR MANY YEARS AFTER HIS DEATH, so where does the question arise that there was fault in the copy of Quran? Impossible!
@ripples2008
@ripples2008 3 года назад
Pls do not bullshit this way in the 21st century. As you know, Koran was a handiwork of Muhammad and his Conmen comrades sourcing information from books available of which main source was the Bible. Koran says there were 124,000 prophets in the past which was an estimate by moron like Muhammad. He was not even able to name at least 100 of them for the argument sake of some kind of authenticity. Who is Allah? In simple terms, an Arabian God introduced by delusional Mohammed. This Allah was one of the deities worshipped by people then in Arabia who believed this Allah had daughters named Al-Lata, Al-Uzza, and Al-Manat, and had never been mentioned by any of the prophets in the previous books. Delusional Mohammed took this deity out and declared “this Allah is the absolute one” So it is empirically evident that this Allah was the creation of delusional but cunning Mohammed. and that Koran is a book plagiarized from sources available in the 6th century. A reader can understand this without any strenuous effort. So you Muslims must come to terms with realities. The more you try to whitewash Allah depicting him as the Abrahamic God, the worse situation you are. In addition, Another piece of proof that Allah was the creation of Muhammad is Sura At-Tawba 29- Sahih International: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the Jiziah willingly while they are humbled. Reading this verse, we understand that Jews and Christians did not accept or consider Allah equivalent to Yahweh, the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob thereby prompting Muhammad to bring about this verse persuading his conmen comrades to fight Jews and Christians. You Muslims must read Koran and understand the meaning using your brain, (funny thing per Koran, thought process takes place in the heart which indicates that Allah and Mohammed had no idea of Brain and its functionality. What a pathetic Moon god is Allah!) rather than swallow what you learn moronic Madrasa teachers. You Muslims are unable to understand the irregularities and stupidity of the 6th century understanding of the then people. You guys have to travel a long way to have yourselves enlightened through logical understanding until which you are slaves to illogical understanding. That is why Muslim nations are considered pariah when it comes to science and technology. Look at the plight of the Muslims in the world except for the Muslims in the wealthy petroleum producing countries where Muslims from third world countries are considered pariah and/or Miskeen. You guys have to come of the shackles of fanaticism and behave like a civilized human being rather than become terrorists and kill innocent people to defend Allah, the creation by Muhammad, the conman of the 6th century.
@jackjill3205
@jackjill3205 3 года назад
. *Dr. Green when are you going to debate again either SCDawah or appear on EFDawah streams?* .
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
Thank you for your comment. I hope to debate with SCDawah soon. Grace and peace.
@jackjill3205
@jackjill3205 3 года назад
@@SamuelGreen-AU Thank you for the reply. Kindly post a reminder for such event(s). Shalom
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
@Nym Grace > Next I understand that when you were in the UK you allowed Hatun to be kicked out of the debate hall, at the request of Adnan. This is simply false. Hatun attended all of my debates to the end and I believe was the last to ask a question as the video shows.
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
@Nym Grace What can I say. No one was kicked out. Hatun asked the last question at the debate as the video shows so she was not kicked out. And I attended the training session with everyone the following night. Please contact me privately if you wish to reply.
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
@Nym Grace Facebook messenger or the contact page at engagingwithislam.org
@imam-oc5gl
@imam-oc5gl 8 месяцев назад
samuel looks like he's about to have a heart attack defending this mess of a religion
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
Mr. Rashid shows an "antique" coin with a Quranic text. 1:09:10 . I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS COIN IS A REAL ARTIFACT, anyway it is not from the 7th century!!! If it were, he would be a millionaire. And he would go and run to Dr. Jay Smith and his team and confront him with that coin! It is even hard for me to believe, that he owns a coin from the 10th century. Maybe he has a copy of such a coin. .
@iliasalmaudi8365
@iliasalmaudi8365 3 года назад
Its either real or a replica if a real one. Many coins exist from the 7th to 15th centuries and onward. A simple google search will cure your ignorance.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
Samuel I would like to ask you - have you given derogatory commentary against Hatun Tash, Jay Smith; myself, to Adnan in private correspondence? (no one should read this question in an accusatory way - it is not) My question is prompted by the way Adnan Rashid separates you from these other people.
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
> have you given derogatory commentary against Hatun Tash, Jay Smith; myself, to Adnan in private correspondence? No. I give Adnan respect as I seek to do for everyone.
@aslamfarooqui1990
@aslamfarooqui1990 3 года назад
Well done Adnan. Quran was memorised by the holy prophet and his followers as soon as it was revealed. So no issue.
@mysteriousx3258
@mysteriousx3258 3 года назад
Yeah I AGREE WITH YOU
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 3 года назад
@@mysteriousx3258 - Don't you think samuel green made valid points
@albertpacaj6871
@albertpacaj6871 2 года назад
Its the same only the books are different improve love
@margahe9157
@margahe9157 3 года назад
1:25:22 R. Adnan lies on Bart Ehrman! I'm pretty sure abüot that. Mr. Rashid should ask Mr. Ehrman, what he thinks about the Quran.
@abdulmalik_al-habeshi
@abdulmalik_al-habeshi 3 года назад
He didn't lie Bart Ehrman literally said that the Quran has been faithfully preserved. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bh-j76VJnsY.html
@jamesstpatrick.6765
@jamesstpatrick.6765 Год назад
@@abdulmalik_al-habeshi bart ehrman recently said Quran is copied from the Arabic infancy gospels.
@jaipaul343
@jaipaul343 3 года назад
The translation of the Bible from Hebrew and Greek ,Some have spoken against the LORD where JESUS CHRIST claimed HIMSELF to be GOD, & these people has been subjected to the actions of satan against the JESUS LORD and to change the mind of those who believe in the JESUS LORD, The BIBLE has been translated from Hebrew & Greek to other languages John 8:58, KJV: "JESUS said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM." This particular word of (I AM) Means? The exact meaning of that word ? Answer; This is the exact answer 14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. IN OLD TESTAMENT ALMIGHTY GOD TOLD ABOUT HIM (I AM ) THAT THE SAME ANSWER ALMIGHTY JESUS TELLING IN FRONT of Jews. before abhram (I AM) The depth of the answer (I AM) means in Hebrew language AIAH As soon as Moses heard the name of God, he went out and gave the people the name, AIAH means I AM in the Hebrew language The people of Israel heard the name of AIAH and worshiped the LORD After these events the people feared the Lord and gave the name AIAH to the Lord alone ,AIAH means I AM, The word /i am/ was newly named Hani by israilites and they no longer used the WORD AIAH as a common language, "! I am! was colloquially named Honey, this is the TRUTH , satan is outdated version , JESUS CHRIST used the most valuable name, AIAH, instead of the common Hebrew word Hani (AIAH MEANS GOD THE FATHER GOD THE SON GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT) (ONE GOD) I have come to know this truth through the pastor Suresh Ramachandran, GOD has revealed this truth to him Pls repent in FRONT OF GOD my dear brothers & sisters , You want know about TRUE GOD go to your private room close your door & just say I love you TRUE GOD I wana see you, just confess it from bottom of your heart , than you can see the REAL CREATOR,
@user-cv1uo5vn5h
@user-cv1uo5vn5h Год назад
"YHWH, Father" blesses you and "YHWH, the Holy Spirit" be with you in the name of "YHWH, the Son": Jesus Christ. Thanks Dr Green for your studies and information which you give
@Asad-2166
@Asad-2166 Год назад
Early church fathers didn't have trinity! Don't just listen and believe! Do your homework you lazy fool! Your salvation depends on it 🍺🥴🍺🥴🍺🥴🍺🥴🍺🥴
@freedomforthebrave
@freedomforthebrave 2 года назад
Adnan is 100% correct
@ibnlahad2982
@ibnlahad2982 3 года назад
Protestants have 66 books Catholic have 73 books Orthodox have 78 books Ethiopians have 81 books Do Christians really think they have a higher claim to a more preserved scripture🤦‍♂️
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
Thank you for your comment. I answered this issue in the debate. Christians and Muslims both have canonical questions. Christians have the question that you have pointed out in your comment. Muslims have the question of the synoptic Qur'ans, the ten qira'at, and then which hadith they are going to accept. We both have canonical questions.
@ibnlahad2982
@ibnlahad2982 3 года назад
@@SamuelGreen-AU as adnan rashid said Qirat and Hadiths have nothing to do with this debate Sunni and Shias both have 114 chapters in their Qur'ans Depending on sect Christians have 66 73 78 or 81 books in their Bibles For Muslims the Qur'an is the Word of God like how the Bible is to Christians
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
@@ibnlahad2982 The qira'at and hadith has everything to do with this debate because the Islamic canon is not the Hafs Qur'an, but ten qira'at and whichever hadith Muslims choose.
@ibnlahad2982
@ibnlahad2982 3 года назад
@@SamuelGreen-AU I'm sorry Christians don't decide for Muslims what is and isn't our word of God. I notice you use Christian terms like synoptic like your trying to equate the Bible's compilation to the Qur'an. Unless the ten Qirat have different number of chapters and verses like your Bibles theirs no comparison. The Qur'an is the word of God for Muslims not Hadiths. I have met Christians who told me that the gospels are like the Christian Hadiths but then I ask them then why is it in your Bible your the word of God.
@jameskloslow2068
@jameskloslow2068 3 года назад
@@ibnlahad2982 and muslims dont decide which how we should interpret our religion.
@Syed_12
@Syed_12 3 года назад
Islam The Beautiful Religion ( Be Just ) Quran 5:8 '' O you who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the > HATRED OF OTHERS TO YOU < make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. '' Quran 4:58 '' Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing.'' ( God's The Rules Of War ) Quran 2:190 '' Fight in the way of God > THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU < but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. '' Quran 2 :193 '' And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. '' Quran 4:90 ''.........So if they withdraw from you and cease their hostility and offer you peace, in that case Allah has not granted you permission to fight against them.'' Quran 8:61 ''And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.'' ( Stand Up For Justice ) Quran 4 :135 '' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against > YOURSELVES < or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.'' ( Who Are The Good Human Beings? ) Quran 2.177 '' Righteousness is "NOT" that you turn your faces ( In Worship ) toward the east or the west but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in God, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth,> IN SPITE OF LOVE FOR IT,< to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for > freeing slaves < [and who] establishes prayer and gives charity; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. '' ( Freedom To Believe And To Reject ) Quran 2:256 '' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error '' Quran 10:99 '' And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed > all of them entirely < Then would you compel the people in order that they become believers? '' ( Tolerance For Other Religions ) Quran 109: 1- 6 Say,"O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshipers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship. Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." ( Protection for Idol Worshiper ) Quran 9:6 "And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are people who do not know. " Quran16:125 “Call people to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good teaching, and argue with them in the most courteous way” Quran7:199 “Be tolerant....” ( Friendship With Non Muslims ) Quran 60:8 '' God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. '' ( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? ) Quran 2:62 '' Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,-> ANY { On Judgement Day } ( According to the Quran Christians and Jews worship TRUE God ) (Quran 3:113-114) '' Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book ( Christians and Jews ) are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.'' Note: According to the Quran that Jesus is not God nevertheless Christians still worship one '' TRUE '' God. ( > Allah < Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques ) Quran 22:40 [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. ( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? ) Quran 5 48 ''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a > single nation < But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you;(scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God; then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you > DISPUTE submission < to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (Salvation)'' My explanation of above verse Islam mean > submission < to God ( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the > MUSLIM < and the Non-Muslims but total > submission < to God.) Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim > submit < to the God? Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work. ( God Allow Muslims To Marry And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa ) Quran 5;5 ''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture ( Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture ( Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.'' ( Kindness Toward Atheists / > APOSTATE < ) Quran 60:8 '' As for such [ of the unbelievers ( atheist) ] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, > Allah < does not forbid you to show them > kindness < and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, Allah loves those who act equitably. '' ( All The Terrorists / Killers Will Enter Hell Fire ) Quran 5:32 "......Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely......" ( Turned Your Enemies Into Your Best Friends ) Quran 41:34 "The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend." ( The Husband and The Wife Are > Protecting Friends < One Of Another ) Quran 9:71 ''And the believers, men and women, are > Protecting Friends < one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey God and His messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Lo! God is Mighty, Wise.'' Quran16:97 “To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith, We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions. Quran 30:21 “And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you > affection and mercy { Love } The Prophet Muhammad said, “The best among you is the best to his wife” ( Human Are One family ) Quran 49:13 " O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)." ( All The Racist People Will Enter Hellfire ) Quran 30:22 "And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge." My comment: The > BASIC < message of God to the human is that '' YOU '' believe in God and be kind to other human beings / > animals < and in the > RETURNED < God will > REWARD < you with a new life in Paradise. * The Quran ONLY guides you how to become a good human being "Nothing Else". * You are a good human being or a bad human being that is YOUR choice. * No one can force you to become a good human being. * You MUST work HARD to become a good human being. * Why should ''YOU'' do good deeds and avoid bad deeds? * Do Good - it's for You. Do Bad - It's against you. * '' YOUR'' life is a TEST from God that you will choose to do either Good or Bad. * Find the excuse to help others and forgive others NOT the other way around. * '' YOUR '' final destination is either Hell or Heaven. * So work HARD toward choice of YOUR destination. Quran 17:7 '' If you do good, you will do so for your own good. And if you do evil, it will be to your own loss.'' ,.,.
@ilj3168
@ilj3168 3 года назад
quran 5:33 SAHIH INTERNATIONAL Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu`adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu`adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu`adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle. Sahih Bukhari 9:89:27 sunnah.com/bukhari/93/21 Narrated `Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" sunnah.com/bukhari/88/5 It was narrated from Abu Umamah bin Sahl bin Hunaif that: `Uthman bin 'Affan looked at them when they spoke of killing. He said: “Are they kill threatening to kill me? Why would they kill me? I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: “It is not lawful to shed the blood of a Muslim except in one of three (cases): a man who commits adultery when he is a married person, then he should be stoned; a man who kills a soul not in retaliation for murder; and a man who apostatizes after becoming Muslim.' sunnah.com/urn/1268500
@theguyver4934
@theguyver4934 3 года назад
Actions speak louder than words
@rocio8851
@rocio8851 2 года назад
There was a reason Adnan was shouting all the time. Islam is the most violent religion in human history and the only religion in which violence is commanded. I had to stop listening somewhere. Adnan caused harm to my ears.
@Asad-2166
@Asad-2166 Год назад
😂😂😂Truth will always prevail! Fastest growing religion in the world! Churches closing down! 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🥴🥴🥴🥴🍺🍺🍺🥴🥴🥴🥴
@mysteriousx3258
@mysteriousx3258 3 года назад
*THERE ARE 24000 + BIBLE MANUSCRIPTS AND NO TWO ARE IDENTICAL,SO WHICH ONE DO YOU AGREE* *CHRISTIANS:-YES*
@SamuelGreen-AU
@SamuelGreen-AU 3 года назад
Thanks for the question. I work with all of them to establish the text through the process of textual criticism. Muslims need to do the same with the Qur'an because the manuscripts of the Qur'an have variants and then there are the variants of the qira'at. It is a question we both have as I pointed out in the debate.
@bobthebuilder4660
@bobthebuilder4660 3 года назад
All this shows is that people can not spell any better in the past than they can in the present.
@aslamfarooqui1990
@aslamfarooqui1990 3 года назад
There is only one version of Quran and the author is God Himself. But there are many different versions of Bible and no one version is same. While there are various versions of Bible and no version is same. The authors of Bible are so many different men and no body exactly knows who wrote them.
@frankjaeger9068
@frankjaeger9068 3 года назад
There is only 1 Greek New Testament. How many Arabic Qurans are there? ‘ the authors were not known’? Did u watch this debate, particularly Samuels opening?
@ibnlahad2982
@ibnlahad2982 3 года назад
@@frankjaeger9068 why isn't the book of Enoch in your Bible when its referenced in Jude 14 15? Also does your Bible have the story of Jesus saving the adulterous woman?
@frankjaeger9068
@frankjaeger9068 3 года назад
@@ibnlahad2982 Becauset Jesus and the apostles never called it Scripture. Also the early church fathers never referred to it as Scripture. Jews also dont consider it scripture Yes the Bible has that story, but let me warn you before you press ahead that varients dont efffect doctrine. the Quran says ‘the prophet is closer to the believer than their own selves and his wives are their mothers’. The Quran of Ibn Masud and others read ‘and he is a father to them’ so why is that not in the Quran? also where is the breast suckling verse or the stoning for adultry verse? Also why does the Quran mention the 7 sleepers story as inspired by God when it is a well known Christian myth.
@ibnlahad2982
@ibnlahad2982 3 года назад
@@frankjaeger9068 1. Then was is it mentioned in the Bible? 2. Its not in the NIV 3. These arguments have already been dealt with but Muslim youtubers whereas Paul's third letter to the Corinthians
@frankjaeger9068
@frankjaeger9068 3 года назад
@@ibnlahad2982 Then im sure you are aware that all these have also been adressed by Christians, so you can see the double standards Its not like you cant read Enoch, because Christians did not go around destroying texts like Uthman and Al hijjaj did Some Muslims say that its abrogated or because its not in the Quran is because its not in the Qirrat, but these did not arrive until centuries later and these are Arabic versions of Uthamns Quran, they are not the Arabic versions of the Sahaba/companions its not from Ibn Masud because those were destroyed. Some translations include it such as Muhammad Assads, but he put its in brackets and notes ‘the prophet has a higher claim on the believers than on their ownselves seeing that he is a father to them and his wives are their mothers’ because he realised its not in the Arabic
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