That's the charm of her personality 😁 People warned me, "Dude don't watch the last season. Do yourself a favor. Just don't do it. Consider 7 was the last season. Forget it." I being the edgy man child went ahead. Even reading these interviews of Emilia and Nikolaj and so on. Lol. I regret watching it but it was inevitable.
@@lucasimmons075 yeah. Exactly. But none of us were aware of the shitshow it would become after 4th. At times I would wonder towards the end of season 5th that few things didn't make sense. But didn't know the books were ended to source from then. I see new enthusiasts wanting to start GoT and I feel pity.
how George says "coulda been 11, 13 seasons" makes me so angry. The fact we could have still been enjoying this today and that s8 wouldnt exist in the state its in today blows my mind.
GRRM is a hack who can't figure what to write in 11 years, went so far as to steal fan theories from forums. its only natural the quality will drop massively with even hackier adaptations.
He knew it needed more time man they should of just handed the show to different show runners if they wanted to leave. It just ruins all of George rr martins work and also the actors and all the behind the scenes even d and d ruined their own work for no reason because they wanted out 😂😂 pathetic
@@gregordrizzlewing7339 to be fair, George refusing to just focus on The Winds of Winter is a big reason why this happened. They were never supposed to catch the books. That one is on GRRM. (Who still hasn't finished the first book of TWO remaining, three years after the show ended.)
@@dreamkrusherjay2869 just shows that without other peoples creative input half these show runners and producers ain’t got a clue what they doing. Could of tied up loose ends and gone out with a bang but they fucked it I don’t blame grr Martin at all
@@dreamkrusherjay2869 They were also not supposed to disregard huge parts of the books they had. Book 4 and 5 are equivalent in size to books 2 and 3. Those had been adapted into three seasons. Book 4 and 5 were stuffed into ONE season (which already had a decent amount of show only story lines, so it's more like 3/4 of a season).
Ian McElhinney, who played Barristan Selmy, actually wrote them a letter because they were about to give his character a bullshit ending. Of course, they didn't listen to him either.
@@johnzackarias11 They actually commented on this in an interview and joked it made them want to kill him more. While I don’t think they were actually being serious, it does speak to the fact that they seemed to disregard the suggestions of others and kinda did as they liked.
@@josephsherbyit’s pretty clear they didn’t understand the book or the world. Ser Barristan is arguably one of the best and most famous warriors to live. Giving a character like that an end like that is just pathetic. It’s clear they wanted to simplify the storyline (which isn’t always bad and GRRM should definitely do this), he needed a much more dignified end.
Nathalie is a smaller and somewhat unknown actor compared to Emilia so I’m pretty sure it had to do with the fact D&D actually threading actors with law suits and contracts and Nathalie is probably doesn’t want problems like the rest of the cast
@@Machoman50ta they’re not going to get a lawsuit for being honest. Truth is a complete defence to liable. It would just hurt their reputation for future work. Who wants to hire an actor who will shit on them publicly if they think their writing wasn’t perfect.
Nathalie wanted to be part of the spin off. She said that in another interview about D&D. Nothing about law suits. Just giving the current „boss“ good vibes to stay relevant
@Kraftrichter you mean sucking up to the bosses so you can get hired for the reboot? even tho their work is trash? the person who said she’s a smaller actor who doesn’t want trouble fits in for both their comment and yours but you still disagree
It’s hard not to take it personal and hate them knowing D&D almost single handedly botched the entire show… They didn’t want to hire more writers. They didn’t want to pass the show to someone else for more seasons. They didn’t want to stick to George’s story notes. They didn’t want to follow through on all the foreshadowing… for any character. D&Ds ambitions and lack of writing chops are what killed this show.
And the one "foreshadowing", if I can even call it that way, that they did follow on resulted in one of the most mortifying examples of character assassination know to mankind. Hell, Daenerys isn't even my favorite character, that goes to Tywin Lannister, but she was a strong character. Besides, one thing to note - Foreshadowing is an indication of future event from a smaller event from the past, not significant when first introduced. Foreshadowing IS NOT reasoning for future event to occur. The reasoning gets delegated to other scenes and discussion on character. If you find yourself using small piece of foreshadowing to solely excuse an event in the future, you likely became a hack writer who tries to get a payoff you want but cannot have. Other then that, dumb and dumber forgot or ignored contextual explanation for the scenes they tried to pass off as "foreshadowing". Hell, and episode itself had a montage of quotes that'd even indicate it... Method itself is one of the slimiest imaginable.
There's also the problem of Lack of source material...they could've just postponed S06-08 until GRRM finished his books...but that would probably take another couple of years.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 Unfortunately that's not how Hollywood works, you piss off a big name, and they can take years off of your career out of spite.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 - It's not necessarily *good* but at the very least it's an attempt to save their future. Hollywood doesn't like being shit-talked, even on blatantly bad products
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 Mmm because still contractual obligations... Personal opinions are limited on a period of time, basically they have to say all positive things for mkt or publicity purposes, or say it isnt as good as people would expect (like most of the cast did nevertheless) in their own way without taking down the expectations. But since cast were loved, people still watched the season even if they say it was 🤢 from the beginning. Same happened with StarWars sequels. Mark Hamill did the same. It happened like a year or 2 after the heat of 7,8,9 that the cast finally speak their mind about what they thought about it. Before that, it was "the best thin ever happened to star wars".
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 It's to preserve their career. Actors live or die on whether they get invited to cast in another film. If an actor has a reputation for publicly blaming the directors, no director would want to hire them. Actors are not there to write the script or comment on the result, they are there to act.
My friend said she stopped at season 6. She forgot there was 7 and 8. And since I told her it’s a bit messy, she said she’ll just let that be the ending for her. Daenerys with her full force fleet, 2 powerful Houses, and 3 full grown Dragons. Kinda an epic ending if you’d ask me.
I did the same I try watch ses 7 but I stopped it was too much cringe I could not handle it after that i rewatched ses 1 to 6 multiple times and if you don’t watch 7 and 8 it’s the best show ever . Because of the show and LML and Preston jacobs I read the books and it’s the best thing ever . Because I am not really a book reader but this book series is soooo good amazing
@@kreterakete who should’ve zigzag? Rickon Stark? I personally think that it would be useless. Ramsey Bolton was a known great archer. He hunts in the forest, and we saw also, that he could do it while on the horse. The kid was running on an open field, so even if he “zigzag” he could still hit him.
4:44 the way he's talking so passionately and then has to pause to regulate what he's going to say about D&D will never not be hilarious to me. "Because of course they're *eyebrow shots up* grEAT screenwriters..."
Conleth Hill's barely audible, dismissive tooth sucking, as if he was just reminded of something bad tasting in his mouth that he was trying to forget and Liam Cunningham immediately picking up on it and laughing while Bran does damage control is great.
Everyone wondering why it went bad. The author of the books wrote everything 1-4, the directors failed so hard. I don’t blame emelia one bit, her whole character said she would never do what her father did and become a tyrant. She did nothing of it leading up and then bam, finally gets to kings landing and loses it?
I mean, book readers will know that there's a lot more foreshadowing and subtext with Dany, with the implication that she is literally part-dragon, e.g. blood of the dragon, and juggles her draconic nature in addition to her higher self. You can't really blame a dragon for being a dragon, though. They're not evil; they are what they are. The fact that Dany IS more than that is what makes it interesting. She's definitely going to do dark things/act as a conqueror in some context, but there's going to be serious internal conflict, which is what makes it interesting. It's not going to be stupid, ridiculous, unrepentant genocide for no reasons with almost no sensical character development. Given D&D supposedly had knowledge/plans of Dany unravelling a bit, even from the early seasons, the whole situation makes no sense with regards to how they built (and destroyed) her.
@@michaelafischer6177 There's even foreshadowing in the show but you need to build on that. You can't expect people to take the few isolated instances in the show where she goes overboard (and those moments were always grey rather than outright evil) and ignore that the vast majority of her actions are good. But D&D wanted it to be a twist so they lay none of the necessary groundwork and just point to those few instances of Danaerys oversteps as proof that we should accept her turning into Timur.
After watching Season 8 again and knowing what’s coming, it’s easier to spot the places where they did foreshadow things. Tyrion naming Bran King came completely out of the blue for me at the time, but Tyrion sat with Bran in Winterfell and asked to hear his story. As for Dany’s “fall” it kinda makes sense, it was just too rushed and felt too awkward. People like Olena Tyrell were pushing her to do monstrous things back in Season 7 but that only happened in one conversation. Dany’s snap came because she went from being the Breaker of Chains and beloved in Essos to being feared and ostracized in Westeros, and over the course of her wars, she lost everyone that grounded her. She stopped trusting Tyrion and Varys, Jorah died, Missandei died, 2 of her Dragons died, her Dothraki were “wiped out” but then came back for some reason, and of course she fell in love with Jon but he couldn’t handle the whole aunt-nephew thing and pushed her away. She was isolated and alone. Her last friends were Grey Worm and Drogon, not exactly what I’d call level-headed advisors. TBH, her fall makes sense when written out, but it REALLY NEEDED another Season or two to drive home her isolation and eventual snap.
One has to really respect the GoT cast of actors: even in the age of "your contract says you have to be dishonest with the public", most of these celebrities were SO attached to their characters and the grand story they were a part of, and so dedicated to treating the loyal fans right, that they basically all publicly shat all over D&D's garbagefire despite the risk to their careers.
All these years later and I'm still mad about it. And as good as House of the Dragon currently is, just knowing that it ends up in Season 8 of GoT makes me so much less enthusiastic about seeing where the story is going.
House of Dragons itself already has an end of the story, so I'm not too concerned about them fucking it up, because they literally have the guidelines this time
I get that D&D worked for about a decade on the show and maybe thought 'we actually also wanna do different stuff' and i fully support that desire. However the solution is not to speed through. They could've tried to negotiate a change of writers and slowly phase themselves out of the project and then leave it to new writers who would've had settled into the Game of Thrones routine alongside GRRM's guidance. It could've worked. But I still don't quite understand why they decided to rush through the last bit, they had a theoretically fail-proof IP on their hands. GOT was a cultural phenomenon that even I as someone who didnt watch it couldn't escape. So to see all that time, money, effort, cast&crew etc. + already established success go to waste seems so unbelievable.
Because especially Benioff is a vain bastard. I mean, they both are assholes, but he is worse than Weiss. They didn't want anyone else get the fame for beimg the guys behind GoT, especially not when those people would be the ones doing the finale. I get wjy they'd do that, but the fact that they didn't make it a quality ending, is the offensive part here. Ending it was fine, but not the way they did it and not for those reasons.
Dick and Dom thought the shows success was because of them. They got big headed. They would have never just handed it off to actual good writers. I mean, George RR Martin wanted to come back and do a couple more seasons after the 8th. But D&D were blatantly not going to let that happen, they genuinly believed Game Of Thrones was theirs now lmao
I think what Nikolai says at around the 4 minute mark is rather brilliant/poignant, as a reflection on acting: Dave and Dan were SO set on subverting expectations for cheap shock points, but...as an ACTOR, how are you supposed to act under those conditions? How can you believably inhabit a role when you've been told there's still no real plans in terms of what your character is supposed to be developing TOWARDS? Like, YEAH, that WOULD make playing the character believably understandably REALLY HARD 😆.
Normally the problem is that the responsible people drag out a series so much that it gets but, just to make money. - But the Game of Thrones ones thought "how about we ruin it by making it super short and rushed for no reason?"... :-( Everyone knows they would've gotten the money to make a season 9 and all having 10 episodes. And the actors would have loved it. And HBO would have still gotten loads of money. Makes all no sense!
I think D&D are mos def to blame: Season 1 _A Game of Thrones_ (700 pages) Season 2 _A Clash of Kings_ (770 pages) Season 3 _A Storm of Swords_ (1000/2 pages) Season 4 _A Storm of Swords_ (1000/2 pages) Season 5 _A Feast for Crows_ *AND* _A Dance with Dragons_ *AND* winging it from there on out... (1800+ pages) They made money for HBO, they could've even taken more time, a season every 2 years, not each year. It's totally normal. It's incompetency. :-( Like Season 5 in 2016 instead of 2015, season 6 in 2018, 7 in 2020, 8 in 2022, 9 in 2024. Leaves also enough room for GRRM, enough room for the actors' other projects etc. (But rather they expanded the budget for pompous explosions...)
D&D don't know how to write. 4 more seasons would be 4 more terrible seasons. Remember, the half of GoT where they start departing from the books and have to create stories (s5-8) is bad, simple as that. We were distracted by the glowing fantasy element for a while, but when they decided to supress it it became obvious that there is no substance in this story. Everything after that amazing end of s4 should be deleted from existence.
They cut the series short because they thought that they were doing a Star Wars movie but they were dropped from that because everyone hated what they did to GOT.
This is probably the best that could have happened, rather than D&D wasting our time with more seasons. They haven't done anything since then because no one wants to hire them. And they actually bribed HBO from the beginning to give them the GoT show. They completely bombed the first pilot episode and wasted 10 million dollars. They bribed HBO execs to give them a second chance because if they don't then people will know that you hired a couple of incompetent fools. They're are slimy gits who don't deserve the reigns of power in film.
You have to keep in mind the kind of dangerous game they're playing. Their careers are all at stake because if they hate on the season, Hollywood and/or directors lose confidence, if they praise it, fans lose confidence.
Now that it has been a few years I really want to know what the actors really thought about season 7 and 8. Are they as disappointed with what D & D did with the series or not. I also want to know why HBO didn't fire D & D, especially if both HBO and Martin wanted more seasons.
The cast is probably under some NDA type stuff where they can’t bad mouth the show publicly. It also doesn’t look professional and could harm their career.
I can’t imagine HBO wouldn’t have fired them and gotten new people in their place had HBO been able. I think their contract allowed them exclusive rights to make the series should they so desire.
it fustrates me so much thinking of what we could've had... if there was 10 + seasons... the show would literally still be airing right now :/ and all the build up and character development wouldve been so amazing to see...
George's quote in there was interesting. The internet was able to "read" the foreshadowing so the show runners felt they needed change midstream, leaving many plot holes and dead ends. Should have just let the internet write the show.
I love Emilias reaction. She's being sarcastic in a way that fans will love her more and film execs won't hate her, except D&D of course. They're rotting in Hollywood limbo because no one wants them.
Someone needs to remake the last few seasons( different directors this time) it would be massive. If they can flog a dead horse with marvel why not the most popular show In history that EVERYONE hated the ending of. Why have it end at all keep it going and they all have jobs for years to come and if the actors need a break sometimes have their character leave for a while. INSANE the amount of potential this series had and they completely wrecked it.
The actors have aged now and be very hard to get them back I’ve always said it will be remade in years to come just as everything else is only we hopefully won’t be saying “it’s not as good as the original “
@@Idur88 Yeah, I could see another series being green-lit in a decade or so once there is possibly more source material to work with and D&Ds adaptation has kinda faded from memory. I have a hard time believing it will get the same huge budget or talent attached as the OG Thrones tho. Honestly, I think you should be careful what you wish for cause I could easily see the next ASoIaF adaptation being more like the Netflix’s Witcher, or the Rings of Power than the original seasons of Gambo
There was a point in the series where the actors actually had a better understanding of the story may have been able to produce a better ending themselves 😅
Why are so many people praising Natalie for "being professional"? Why are you using "professional" as a euphemism for lying to the audience? Why is that the more praiseworthy action? Shouldn't telling the truth be the more praiseworthy action?
The fact that most of them insinuated it was bad tells a lot. Keep in mind they worked with these people for 10 years, they were like a family and they could not just throw them under the bus on air for a presenter they hardly knew. Add to that the fact that no actor should badmouth previous colleagues as it will hurt their career in the future. By insinuating you can tell they think it was bad.
Yeh and if any the actors didn’t want to so what🤷♂️Carry on like GOT killed off the main character in season 1 a couple characters don’t mean shit in something like game of thrones where there’s diff story lines everywhere they fucked it so bad I think ppl in a high school English class cud write a better ending
I would have liked to see Daenerys become a good queen for Westeros, but at THE VERY LAST seconds of the whole series, she has this one disturbing line that hint to her family's madness, and then it goes black.
“Ya the 6-7 seasons of material we ripped of from R.R Martin wasn’t good enough, we didn’t want to do the obvious. So we just made some shit up and ignored all our actors. Aren’t we geniuses?”
hilarious how the game of thrones show was like the biggest influencial thing since it aired and the last season killed EVERY MENTION of it literally sending it into obscurity
This Peoble are ACTORS some of the best on the Planet that get paid for the Show and they could not hide how disgusting they saw Season 8. Shows again HOW bad it was.
I think it would've been cool to have 11-13 seasons, however this couldn't be done, if Martin doesn't finish the damnnn boooks. Or at least put him on the writing team so he can give source material.
I realize HBO has moved on, but there is potential for the series to get a hard reset starting at S7E1. Even if recasts are necessary, I believe this adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire is worthy of the effort... and will certainly make the money back on it.
This shit is genius , watching them be truthful yet subtle yet not subtle straight up saying disappointing then epic then “one of those “ chuckles, pure gold.
If you are really happy with the way a major show in which you worked til end has ended you would be so happy to be answering the questions like, "How does it end?", "What was season finale for you like?" The usual exciting responses would be, "Man... Oh you wait!! You just wait. Man I cannot wait to be talking about it." "Ohoho...ooo... You are going to be amazed!" But no. Almost each cast member is like, "umm.. well..." Lol.
"We hear you, but we don't care." I think that makes people even angrier. Like if you TRIED and failed, or used your resources and failed... That would be one thing. They essentially drove a truck off a bridge, looking and smiling smugly at the passenger (fans and actors), on the way off the bridge. GAWD even 5 years later that memory infuriates me.
