@@ricardohernandez8683nah it was foul from the start, the second I heard it I was like, this man definitely isn’t on twitter much 😭 he overestimates peoples intelligence
Which is why the bar drove me nuts because it felt like he said something trash, then walked it back a song later, and Kendrick fans like "see? It was deep the whole time" Y'all give him that credit. He literally can do no wrong. And that's not chess moves, it's just gullible mother fuckers. It feels like this was for y'all to have fun yappin on the net for a little bit. And much as I love the artists I can't call myself a fan of anybody no more. Because I have an image of y'all in my head now and I just can't be associated with "fans" no more. Y'all wild AF.
@@earnestwilliams5272 i think he might be speaking from a genetic standpoint when he calls adonis black. adonis may not be culturally black due to his current upbringing. point is, kendrick is clearly a one drop rule ass nigga (won’t agree or disagree w that line of thinking) that has hope for adonis growing up and fully embracing his “blackness” unlike drake. won’t say if i agree or disagree w what he’s saying, just tryna provide some insight into what he meant by that.
It’s crazy how so many people were breaking this beef down bar for bar and couldn’t catch the actual meaning… “y’all came to America to IMITATE HERITAGE yall CANT IMITATE THIS VIOLENCE” It’s strictly about where drake is FROM. Not that he’s biracial lmao
@@truthtella3371it’s not that he’s from Toronto it’s that he isn’t from America but him and other rappers like him imitate African American culture like how Drake has done with rap
@@truthtella3371another this is that rap and hip hop comes from African American struggles which Drake wouldn’t be tied to because he’s from Toronto, he isn’t part of the life he portrays he is. And that’s also a reason why Drake probably doesn’t talk about African American issues much cause he isn’t from it.
@@2Much3clipse but his dad is black from memphis.. drake has spent time when he was younger with his dad’s side of the family.. drake also has done more things for the black community than 99% of the people online dissing him for not being in the “culture”
@@truthtella3371 he's taking from black culture without participating or really caring about it. Drake doesn't speak on black issues/culture in his music while simultaneously stealing from it to make said music. what exactly has he done for the black community? given people money for a music video? It should be expected he does more than 99% of people because he's a multi-millionaire. Its not about the money, its about how you act.
His whole point with the bar in Meet The Grahams where he tells Adonis he is a black man is that he is a black man whether it benefits him or not, you cant turn it on or off or try to put a different jacket on because it benefits him more
I think that line was to address the complaints of people who said that the mockery of Drake was to a certain extent racist, but with that Kendrick made it clear that it was not about color, but about how Drake used the culture to sell a product.
14:55 This is my exact point about the Control verse and Drake's reaction to it. When you're in a genre where sparring is the norm and the jabs are within the competitive nature of it, there really doesn't have to be real beef behind it. So when Drake got on these interviews and seemed confused by why Kendrick was still coo with him after what he said on that verse, that made me realize that Drake had no idea, at the time, what rap was at its core. Bro was absolutely lost. His confusion proved to me that he didn't do his research before he got in the game. It gives me Vanilla Ice. Ice had no idea why black people were upset with him. But if he actually talked to black people and got their view point and respected what they had to say, then maybe he would have been able to understand and move differently in the industry. Trying to take a genre and rewrite it to fit you is not how you earn respect.
Exactly, this is what we do, they come here trying to imitate our culture but truly don't understand it, many from other cultures don't truly understand it but yet imitate it.
The problem with Drake's fans is the same as the problem with Drake: They aren't from it and don't get it. Like, they actually, fundamentally, truthfully do not understand this entire conversation. Ak is a prime example - he's plenty black and doesn't get it either.
The misunderstanding about Kendrick’s opinions on Drake only exists bc Caucasian Ideologies have been infiltrating hip hop/ rap dramatically since the social media era.. all of these outsiders now have a voice in something that was once only narrated by black people. Hip hop has been diluted and Drake has been used heavily to promote that dilution to the masses. Kendrick was literally battling against the erosion of hip hop in his battle with Aubrey
@@earnestwilliams5272 damn near his entire musical catalog is pop not hip hop/rap yet his handlers with their understanding of black American culture being extremely appealing globally purposely as well as intelligently made him link with hip hop/rap artists to gain the aforementioned appeal all while he made silly songs like hot line bling, keke, just hold on, etc making him a digestible product for suburbanites with “black appeal”. He’s Vanilla Ice on steroids.
they being dense on purpose, of course in a literal sense they are black, but Kendrick is referring to certain lived experiences that come with the culture, exeptense, and respect towards blackness this isn't even a black thing, there are a ton of POC who have been "white washed" and have distanced themselves from their culture. Saying drake isn't "like us" isn't denying his back father and the 50% that's black in himself, its saying how he was brought up, was not in proximity to blackness, and he entered the space without any of the authentic upbringing putting on a costume of what he see's is blackness, and using black people who grew up in that space as sources to leech and copy from. And when you enter any type of space like that, not even just socially, but in a work setting, or academically, the people that have really been part of that space/enviroment can EASILY tell you are the other.
do u niggas not listen to drake?😂 he spent time with the black side of his family. he’s talked about it on albums before.. he doesn’t need a “costume for blackness”
Thats why when Kendrick called Adonis a black man and that he'll carry himself a king, was a smart move Nipping that other shit in the butt while also giving him game like his dad would
The whole its a Toronto accent/culture is wild cuhz drake from a rich jewish city outside of Toronto. Imagine if kendrick started talking like he was from houston or even from the bay. Drakes is even a vulture to canadian cultures 😂
That first tweet pisses me off simply for the fact that's Isaac Hayes's son. And I love Black Moses' music, he's a goat to me, but his son is on some ignorant bs.
Isaac Hayes been crashing out for Drake - he said he would like Kendrick if he didn’t lie, but ignored Drake’s takes. It’s a shame because he got the name of a legend.
The joesl olsteen is supposed to be the actor from 6th sense and also the pastor. The pastor is known to be a dickhead but hes also speculated to have his sermons ghostwritten for him.
Yeah, the whole beef made me realize how many people who talk about music are dumb af. The amount of people who jumped to the idea of Milly Bobby Brown when he said his daughter was 11... Literacy is dead
And it frustrating cause it seems like they're being dumb confidently to seem right somehow, like no matter how much i tell them to do research they still try to argue.
Dude all the comments questioning what black culture is sad tbh. Do yall hear the music or skim through it? Like for real, this is a good reason why hip hop and rap sales are down bc its like the general public doesn't have any idea of what culture is anymore. But ig thats just living in America, where a melting pot of cultures and raced gets white washed once youve been here long enough. I'm. Not. Even. Black. But. I. Understand. What. The. Culture. Is. You lisen to so much of 80's and 90's hip hop and rap and every artist you can thats renowned in the genre you'll understand what the culture is about. I can even break this down. Drake isnt the culture bc he's never given back to it at all. In the beginning he did then you can see he slowly stopped. Kendrick has made music legit he's said "my partnas in the hood, this all they have" . Where has Drake ever done something like that for his community, his culture, his genre he says he's on top of. Where. Its really sad i understand all this and im not apart of this culture. Im not black but i listen to the stories, I've seen the tribulations, I've heard the music and i can grasp all of it.
People are really that obtused. They would feed their delusions than rather use their brain and understand the context. Kendrick was wrong the fans are slow
Its wild to me to say that drake did nothing for the culture when he got about a dozen lesser known artists their breakthrough hit. I been saying this for awhile, i think drake really gotta be a bad person behind the scene. because of how grateful some of these guys have been to drake in the past for putting them on, and now they all hate him? Its gotta be something. But thats why i hate the "drake did nothing for nobody" narrative. Theres something real out here about drake that might hit, and i want to hear about that. Saying he did nothing for the artist's whos style he was sharing is wild. He boosted new artists with new styles. He did help them. Objectively. If you saying he didnt youre literally denying reality.
a lot of these one-off features he's done for people are purely because Drake is good at identifying a sound he can take for himself and keep on doing more of the same You dont make someone sign to your label on the condition that you delete your entire discog to pay for a feature from you and get to say it was a helping hand
"sharing styles" Now that's a very inventive way to say "stealing ideas from more talented, less famous artists" I'm gonna have to start using that one lmao
@@MrGreatozymandias and this is why I have to be forced to legitimately question if you type of dudes are mentally challenged or not and remember to speak kindly. Because thats a wild spin on what I said and I can't tell if youre trolling or just got pre k level reading comprehension as an adult for some reason. You can have an optics conversation about this, about how you can easily see it as a strategy. To take stuff that's got ground level buzz and bring it to the front. In that moment you capitalize on that style. But that argument doesn't work with the word "stealing". He's putting those artists in the songs at the forefront and getting them hits in some cases jumpstarting careers. In a very literal capacity, those artists literally *agreed to be there* you dummy, and there's so many interviews of artists talking bout hype they were that they got the call. They hung up the phone and told their boys they got the fuckin Drake bag and started partying. So using the word "stealing" already highlights that youre not really using your head. And in interviews in the past that's what Drake said he said he wanted to do, bring new styles to the front. Now, you could say that's a likely excuse, yeah, because Drake is promoting it, but not for free he's on the song too he's getting paid. But now we tapping into a conversation that has been going on around patrons of the arts for over a *millennium* and I meant that word literally. And in this case the theoretical "patron" in the scenario is another artist. So now I gotta ask you, what type of artist collaborations are ok? What are the rules? How popular do you have to be before you can work with Drake? How popular is too popular to be working with people with different styles than you? How many times are you allowed to do that before the RU-vid troll commenter starts calling you a thief? Right now it just seems like you're the guy who gets to decide when artists collab, when they are allowed to get money working with Drake and vice versa, and it's weirdo shit. Do you treat it as a foregone conclusion that every artist Drake got on a number one record would have had one without Drake eventually? Would you have the same opinions if it were a different artist besides Drake that got some of the same at the time up-and-coming artists their breakthrough hit? Like I said, there's real conversation worth having that none of you depressingly simple reply guys are ready to have. If you even read this far I doubt you followed it.
So for people saying Drake isn’t black because he wasn’t raised in the “black experience” what is the black experience? Being poor? Being in the streets? So any black person who was raised in a good neighborhood isn’t really black? Is there a time limit to connect to black culture if you’re raised outside of it?
People are saying he wasn't raised with the experience because he obviously wasn't. He thought he had "blackest friends" because of stereotypical thinking. Be fucking for real.
He isn't connecting to black culture at all, hes pretending and imitating black cultuee when it benefits himself as if he was always apart of that culture. How is it so hard to wrap your head around the fact that Drake is a phony putting on this "gangster", "tough guy" persona. If he would've listened to Lil wayne and stayed in his lane and continued rapping/singing about women and things of that nature, instead of things he has never actually been through, or done, copying and putting on fake accents ect. Then all of this would've been avoided. All of this would've been avoided and you wouldn't have had to force yourself to be here and show your true emotions by trying to talk negatively about black culture.
How is it a good thing? To play dress up in peoples cultures, offering only a surface level imitation of what it actual is. And profiting off it while offering little if not nothing to the creators of the culture.
@@acarson2812 Okay buddy, stealing as a loaded statement, it’s not like the culture is a person. As long as you aren’t causing anyone harm then I don’t see a problem
@@OVO_HOLLOW Drake having an entire verse in a fake Spanish(blatantly racist) on a song with one of the biggest latin artist is not going to harm anyone its a song. It is however highly exploitive and racist. Drake rapping in a fake patois is not going to hurt anyone. its a song. That does not make it any more culturally appropriate nor does it make any less exploitive. And if you want to talk about being harmful, id say taking other artist sounds and gentrifying it for a pop sound isnt exactly helpful?
