The CES letter highlights: Mormonism Refuted 

I hope you haven't given up on God altogether! The Mormon god is false but the real God is not! Glad to hear that you left the LDS church but praying that you will find Jesus!

It's Me Jessie absolutely not! My relationship with God is honestly stronger than ever! Daily Bible study and so much prayer has made a huge difference! Also, really enjoyed your Good Friday video yesterday! ❤️

@@harleylamay1306 Oh, praise the Lord!!! 💕

Praise the Lord!!!

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@Amber Sanford! Priceless!

Hadn’t heard this one before! Classic!

mark twain did a little parody on that in the book roughing it. i didn't know it actually happened. rofl rofl

I cackled when I read what you wrote. Do you have a source?

Pimp Daddy Brigham 😂

Ex-Mo for five years, it is very interesting to be able to look at the Mormon church from the outside. I can't believe how deluded I was.

Christ is freedom. Guilt is demonic. When you embrace the true God, Jesus Christ then guilt and fear and shame flee from you ✝️ God bless you.

hey brother Dan, you left the church too early! Have you heard about the plausible discoveries of Nahom and Bountiful from the Book of Mormon? Have you heard about all of the chiasmus in the BofM? Or how about the ocean drift rates between old and new worlds that line up PERFECTLY with the Jaredites journey from the Book of Ether? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

@@Ether-pb5gb there is no chiasmus in the bom thats a false theory moronists make up. It's horrid anachronistic things it's crappy Christian corrupted you points have nothing to do with the past it's LACMA nursing about Jews of the biblical texts it is already apparent it's pretty Masonic satanic usages its Corruption of the New Testament and contradictions they're so great a man contradictions within itself excetera excetera excetera it's Smith put himself into the text to which makes it laughably hilariously proven is a fraud like himself

@@yaruqadishi8326 no chiasmus? I didn't realize that you dropped out of 6th grade.

If you left the church because of the CES letter, then you don't know much and you haven't studied much. I have studied both for and against books for over 50 years. This lady doesn't even know the basic doctrines of the church. Talk about the blind leading the blind - she fits the bill.

And what is amazing is that the CES Letter is just a poorly researched exhaustive list of almost every bogus accusation leveled at the church from the past. It is like Jeremy Runnells is trying to just throw everything up on the wall to see what sticks. And the deeper you get into this letter it is just one blatant misrepresentation and fabrication after another. I am totally amazed that anyone gives it any credence at all. It is really that phony; no exaggeration. And like most of his contemporaries in the past, Jeremy Runnells is making his living promoting this work of fiction. Here is a reply to the CES Letter that goes through it point by point putonstrength.com/ces-letter/

The institution is flawless, good and righteous, restored. $100 billion, well let that accumulate until the end, when Armageddon or apocalypse happens. That's why we don't or why we just spend that money. K? The Mormon Church, the Institution, Christian institution is flawless, just a few behaviors, human behaviors, your judging because of sinners? Don't be afraid to see what it's about, nothing bad about it.

Paul Plumb Arguments for or against the church do not make it true or false. The truth is that the church / religion / god is false. There is no truth to your imaginary god or the prophets, the book of mormon, or the priesthood. Don't blind yourself to the reality of the world and life with bullshit dogma.

@@DavidN831 The truth hurts

Dude I answered the DNA queation and they deleted it. They dont want the truth. You are trusting them though

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You are now a True Warrior! A Lakota Warrior for the one True God

What did he say?

Idk if Native Americans are descendants from Israel or not. I don’t care but logically thinking it’s like why would native Americans use a land bridge or ice bridge? 10000 years ago the ocean literally was 400 feet down. Massive sites like Easter island you could the visit massive sites now under water. Or some say the Olmecs are Chinese which explain the flatter face as the Chinese fled their homeland to avoid genocide. It’d be possible for Chinese to travel by boat coming and going to Mexico. Watch the movie kontiki. A guy builds a raft and sails from Latin America to Polynesia

Just believe because they want you brainwashed too cult. Stamp out doubt is common in cults

Yes . That is truth right there!

i am not mormon i feel the same way when tv keeps playing evolution video's now they have trex swimming like a whale

Do you know where that born again thing came from? It started with the "Great Reformation.' Read about that. That idea was not taught before then.

Now it's time for you to research Christianity and leave that cult as well.

Yes, I've seen both channels! The internet can be used for so much good! I'm thrilled it's pouring truth into LDS member's lives about their beliefs!

@Hale Hafa I'm curious as to what your thinking is on "I have a sure witness that this gospel is of God." Do you mean your testimony? I question this because a few years back I had a friend (not a member of any religion---she questioned all of them and thought they were all "bogus") who was approached by Muslims. They challenged her to read the Koran (Qu'ran) and pray and ask God if Islam was true after reading it. She did and she said God "absolutely" spoke to her heart that it was true and she converted. She is a very devout Muslim to this day. At one time I also had a neighbor who was a Pentecostal. (and somewhat obnoxious about it---I got tired of hearing it)! The Jehovah's Witnesses came to her house and challenged her to read the Watchtower literature and pray about whether it was God's organization on Earth. She told them she was absolutely convinced that the JW's were a "cult" and she refused to accept their literature.Her "hope" however was to convert THEM. For whatever reason they kept coming back to her house to talk (she was a very nice person) and eventually she said there was "absolutely" a convincing testimony from God telling her she needed to convert and become a Jehovah's Witness. (Then I had to hear all about her conversion experience over and over!) I was glad we moved! LOL My point is that many adherents to many different religions on this planet get a "testimony" of the truth of their beliefs and a "supernatural" knowledge that "IT " is the true church. They can't all be correct, can they? So how do you believe they "know" this???

Well, the tree of knowledge, was the first warning, to partake of the fruit was the cause of after, so as on schedule, many will stray and it's for the same reasons, but this time it's the cloud of knowledge. Ironically it just so happens to partake of the Apple iPhone or Computer. Is that a coincidence, the internet has caused this spit spurt of Athism, Flat Earthers and now those against the churches, more so, the LDS. Now able to see the second coming of Christ. There was a time when the old timers were told, we'd be able to see things at the same time over the entire earth. Wasn't possible, but they held their faith and here we are, it's possible now. They said, we'd be hearing Trumpets, are we? Trump/Pence. A bloodless brain of deception, it's what the internet is, it has so many truths, but out weighed by false notions about the truths. That money the LDS does not spend, is not for now, it's for that moment that's to come and everybody knows what that is. I would not want want that money being spent niether, it's too much of a resk, Prophet Monson took none of it, but yet made sure it's still accumulating, not for him, but for survivers. Like they said then, " don't believe everything you see on TV, "☝ that goes for the internet aswell. Every decade had its tribulations, everyone was worst than the other, Now we're experiencing not a century's tribulation nor a decade's, but a millennium 's, as on schedule, people still don't understand, we're witnessing tribulation, look at the news, or is it just fantasy?

@Hale Hafa Do you believe that the death of Jesus on the cross is the full and only atonement for the remission on sin? That, as Ephesians tells us, we are saved by grace, thru faith (and that not of us, but a gift of God), not works, lest anyone should boast? Do you believe, as we are told in Deuteronomy, that there is no god but God, nay not one? Or do you believe you must complete the ordinances and that you may also be a god someday? You can't have both.

CES letter was debunked, it’s nothing more than a lie that can’t even quote their sources right. It also changes quotes to best serve it. I feel sad for all who got tricked by it.

One of the things that JW&LDS have in common besides being from a nineteenth century spiritual seeker movement,Just like Mormon culture it has a strong history of shunning. I suppose the religious freedoms were the original cancel culture. Touché

@Kyree Grey you people know that hacking is illegal right? And this has nothing to do with the video y advertise something illegal rather if you feel your gf is not being honest rather than being sneaky n shady y not just ask her if she's comfortable with sharing her info with you and if not n you still have trust issues maybe get some professional help or just breakup/be friends rather than going down dark paths

@OTTO OCTAVIOUS yea that has worked so well🙄 Well mainly for the Arrogant old white heterosexual men at the top of a man made pyramid. All reactionary, dogmatic, inhuman, discompassionate jerks claiming to be a follower of Christ are definitely rationalizing sociological shunning over Common sense and Love. But then again what would I know about a story that has been rewritten and retold almost endlessly for the past two millenniums to placate bigots and sway the unthinking mouth breathing populous Whatever you need to justify your inhumanity as humane to

I hope you have the true gospel.

I’m ex-lds & love studying all these weird cults. They’re entertaining af.

Amen!

And I pray to Cthulu that he will lead all the good people out of Christianity

Jesus Christ said to pray to the Father.

True, except Islam is monotheistic (one god) & Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion (uncoutable gods)

Both are derived from the Abrahamic Covenant plus 11 other nations yet to be revealed.

All religions are fucked up

I am not a Muslim, though I have studied Islam, I cannot speak for Mormonism as I have not studied its theology that much, but from my understanding salvation as it is understood within christianity does not apply to Islam as within Islam there is no belief in the innate depravity of man, one achieves jannah (paradise) only through the complete submission to god, abandoning all false idols, and living in accordance with that which is halal (permitted by god). In regards to polygamy within Islam, I am not declaring any moral judgement upon it simply stating context, it is a result of the polygamy of pre-islamic arabia, and in fact limited the polygamy of its time. Islam would not state that an angel gave Muhammad a true book from heaven, but that the angel Gabriel spoke the word of god to Muhammad, which he would recite for scribes to write down, through a period 23 years of revelation. The wives in not stated within the Quran, though there are mistranslations, and it regarded by muslims in a variety of ways.

You wrong

Good on you. If you've been gaslit and abused for leaving then you can assure yourself you've done the right thing. I only hope you still believe in God and hopefully Jesus. I left the church about 8 years ago and no regrets whatsoever. Mormonism has alot of good stuff but it ain't the one and only true church. They struggle to provide simple answers to very pertinent questions and their historical truth claims are a major problem for them. Many many more will leave and their dogmatism will not go down well for them.

I stopped going when I was about 17. I don't recall the last time I went (I'm 37 now). Luckily I wasn't abused or anything like that, but something had definitely happened to my older sister and I don't know what. She was all about the church until she was about 24-25. Then she stopped going, and lived a normal life. Anytime the church would get brought up in conversation she would change the topic and visually be uncomfortable. Unfortunately my sister passed recently due to cancer, but one of the things she told her husband was that she didn't want the church doing anything at her grave or funeral or anything. I'm going down the rabbit hole now, as I hadn't really thought of anything church related and I'm getting more and more angry at myself and my family who brought me into that life for being so susceptible to these blatant made up things. I'm hoping to find some kind of peace in this educational journey because I never found peace in that church. I'm very sorry to hear that you were abused, and I hope if you haven't already that you find your peace.

So many pages constituting the ces letter are hugely lacking in any truth whatsoever. Every person impacted negatively by the ces letter must seek after truth from credible sources. Further, everyone must follow Mor 10 : 4,5. You must ask the Holy Ghost to give you spiritual confirmation.

The CES letter opens up so many possibilities. I thank Jeremy so much for writing it! It has saved so many lives!

@@blizzard2ooAs if the letter has negative impact

Hello send to her for video! May as well expose it. Racism is least of issues with LDS. Everything else

In the mid 70's Morman missionaries came to my home. They were using a book to tell about LDS founding. They turned to a page where a lightning bolt came down and blackened a man's skin. This they said was why Black people could not hold the priesthood. They explained they were marked with the sin of Cain. I will NEVER forget that. I said, "Wait a minute. This is not the God I know. " Some years later I read the NAACP went after them. Followed by their "prophet " receiving divine prophecy to allow them into the priesthood. They stopped polygamy when the US president said they would come in and shut them down. Just like the sin of Cain, the prophet at the time received a divine message to end polygamy. End of polygamy came before the end of the sin of Cain. There are so many other things to point out. I know it must be very difficult to be brought up believing this made up religion. There are good religions with bad people and bad religions with good people. When you can't ask questions that's a big red flag. Seek the faith that brings you closest to Christ.

Praise God!

@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 Those who seek, find. You just need an open mind and a humble heart.

@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 I have nothing to offer you. I am a mere mortal. A sinful, fallen creature. God offers you everlasting life as a free gift. No strings attached. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The fact that you will die someday shows that you have sinned. God made a way past death. Jesus Christ abolished death. 2 Timothy 1:10 but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, The true and living God who created you wants you to have everlasting joy. He created you to have a love relationship with Him. "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart and with all thine soul and with all thy mind." The greatest thing in life is to know God. Jeremiah 9:23 Thus says the Lord, “Let not a wise man boast of his wisdom, and let not the mighty man boast of his might, let not a rich man boast of his riches; 24 but let him who boasts boast of this, that he understands and knows Me, that I am the Lord who exercises loving kindness, justice and righteousness on earth; for I delight in these things,” declares the Lord. John !7:3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Unfortunately, your sins separate you from a infinitely holy God. Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear. Worse still, there is nothing you can do to merit everlasting life. You cannot bribe God. Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. The good news, the gospel, is that God is rich in mercy. God made a way for you to be reconciled to God, by the death of His Son. Jesus Christ, who was God in the flesh, humbled himself, shed his blood, died and rose again. He paid the penalty for all your sins when He died on the cross. All you need to do is humble yourself, repent of your sin and put your faith in what Jesus Christ has already done for you. And God will grant you the gift of everlasting life.

@@nativebutnotofthisworld9792 That's not what your early prophets taught. Truth is very important and there's just no truth in Mormonism.

Now Shay, please prove to me that the Bible, it's character and events, are true, or that they ever even happened. Prove to me that Jesus ever existed. Prove that ANYTHING you believe is true. I can recommend you to a good Tony Robbins motivational presentation that will be of as much help as what you're experiencing.

The Bible doesn't prove the accuracy of the BOM because it supersedes the Bible in knowledge about salvation. Your comparison therefore was a futile attempt to find the truth, if that was actually your purpose. Your comment above looks more like a cheap attempt to state that the Bible is the fulness of the gospel, which is what Protestant believe. I think your just a lying Protestant trying to convince us that your were a Mormon.

Carrow Please don’t be a hypocrite and critically judge the Book of Mormon and then just magically sssume the Bible is true. I hate that. So many leave Mormonism and yell praise Jesus im saved and then never critically study the Bible: It’s like Moses was commanded to commit genocide against Canaan. Abraham and jacob etc practiced polygamy. Magic happens and Moses the magician turns stick into snake.

Studying the Church through the eyes of its defectors is like interviewing Judas to understand Jesus... Neal a Maxwell

If you wanna to know the Truth I request you to attend lds church and study by yourself slowly and gradually and truth will be manifested

@@dalipgupta8275 I’ve been doing some studying on The Mormons and Joseph Smith!

@@melissaamoroso2205 hmmmm plz do and I'm sure you will know the real and complete truth 😊 I Investigated for almost five years then I got baptised. definitely no Way any church any organization can survive in those circumstances without divine help. There is another you tube channel saint unscripted I request plz check

@@melissaamoroso2205 Joseph Smith is a false prophet

Congrats!

Yeah, I remember leaving the church about 4 months back, and I was attending for six months, but later, God got ahold of me and told me that the LDS church is not the way to heaven. He did tell me we are saved by grace through faith, and that's all (ephesians 2:8-9) so it can be comforting to know that even though I mess up and we all do, we can still make it to heaven if we put our trust in Jesus alone for salvation.

So, you are a pervert and take pride in your actions that God himself has condemned in no uncertain terms in both the Old and New Testaments - way before the Church ever existed. Very sad. Were you molested by a male when you were a child? How much pornography did you consume? At what age did you start? I have a good friend that is a therapist. She said that in treating over 3000 cases over the last 20+ years she has not met one homosexual that was either 1) not molested as a child or 2) did not consume pornography. If you were molested, get help. It's out there and the damage can be reversed. If you brought this on yourself by consuming porn, get help. This is only slightly different than guys who view straight porn and find it impossible to be monogamous. Their lack of chastity and self control can be addressed in therapy. Your lack of chastity and self control can likewise be addressed. To be ok settling with the Telestial Kingdom should not be ok. You deserve better than that. Good luck overcoming your challenges.

@@erikmartinez6726 So everything that Peter, James and John wrote is superceded by what Paul wrote??? 🤦‍♂️ You do know that Peter, James and John were the First Presidency and that Paul was never a member of the Twelve Apostles, right? Paul was a great missionary, but his letters to various Bishops were never meant to be doctrine for the whole Church. I am sticking with what Peter, James and John wrote - that Faith without works is dead, and that we show our faith by our works.

Gross

Because the CES letter is SOOOO full of truth, right? Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......careful. Lots of people don't want you to watch this...ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

Good luck to you on the agnostic thing. I spent 20 years as an agnostic until I happily and peacefully became LDS.

Good for you coming around to common sense

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

Cause they were touching girls stomachs

You need to understand principles of truth and the practice of it- they are different. To say it’s not true because of the changes is like saying when Jesus taught more commandments and changed the old law to the new that the new is not wrong... bad logic

because times change and conditions change. What may work best in one time may not be the best in another time. In fact many things were changed by God going from old testament times to New Testament times.

@IYearn4HisReturn what who told me?

@IYearn4HisReturn why is it evil?

The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

@@Ether-pb5gb more like fraudulent like your face. Your words are fraudulent. That video is flooded with shit and lies to cover to satanic Lies.

@@Ether-pb5gb Yes these videos also prove the CES letter a fraud. RU-vid "LDS transaction law suit part 1,2,3,4," So far thousands have came to debunk it and cannot.

@@paulgregersen3570 Joseph Smith is a false prophet

@@paulgregersen3570 the book of abraham and book of mormon are a fraud and a hoax. They are totally false. They are nonsense and full of stupidity. American are not Jewish descendants but they are native American indian who are from asia .

don't confuse sincerity with the truth. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

The LDS church is just a large corporation like Exxon or Disney masquerading as a church. When you look into how much money they've spent on vanity projects you'll be shocked

@@choicemeatrandy6572 oh like what lol I wonder if you are talking bout the mall? Which helped save the economy and didn’t come from tithes?

@@jt2481 What percentage of those tithes go into helping people and not aforementioned vanity projects/buying apple stock?

@@choicemeatrandy6572 it would help if you listed what are the vanity projects you mention. Im not sure what exactly youre bringing up.

@@jt2481 I'm talking about how much money the lds church pours into buying stocks or buying private farm land in comparison to what they actually give.

Also easily found online, "A Faithful Reply to the CES Letter by a Former CES Employee," by Jim Bennett. It answers every question that Jeremy Runnells asks. canonizer.com/files/reply.pdf

@@ConnorSmith-lh7uw no it doesn't answer it's a start with false conclusions and make stuff up so no way that incorrect but it's all so laughably wrong so no and I thought he did blong more on his some this video does too so did you actually watch the video or are you just scared

Well Said!

@@ebear6555 No, a delusion cannot be well said. The thing is a proven deception. Anti Mormons are delusionalists using trickery .

The CES letter has no invitation to search for Jesus in the Bible or gain a testimony of him by Prayer. Instead it’s leading the reader to abandon faith and make the search for God illogical. Christians that followed Jesus shared the Gospel with love for both the Jew and Gentile. Brother Runnels insults and counter on his blog are not Christ like in any form. Christians propogating this are doing more harm to the faith based community than good

not true, questions are human and welcome

Not true, at all! Latter-day Saints can go to numerous people in the church to ask questions and can get any answer they need. Ultimately, the best answers come from God, himself, the source of all truth. Be honest when you write stuff.

​@@MrArtist7777 I politely disagree. When I had tough questions, my church leaders made sure to let me know I was engaging in dangerous behavior (seeking truth) and they didn't have answers to the questions I had. Also, emotions/feelings (i.e. praying to God) are not a reliable method to establish truth. Analysis of historical evidence such as court records, journals, and other primary documents reveal much more about what actually happened than praying for an answer will. For example, this is one of my questions. Why was Emma the 23rd woman to be sealed to Joseph Smith? After all, I had been raised my whole life in the church; primary, sunday school, seminary, mission. I knew so much Mormon history, right? Emma was Joseph's first and only wife, right? So I expected her to be the only one. But why was she the 23rd? My Bishop and SP said the answer wasn't pertinent to my salvation. Other members didn't even know Joseph Smith was a polygamist (polygyny and polyandry) and said I was mistaken. Praying, of course, didn't give me an answer. So I had to study the actual history. I found out about all of Joseph Smith's prior intimate encounters with women and it all made sense now. To maintain the illusion of a prophet, he needed people to think he was righteous, so the women needed to be sworn to secrecy. What a better way than creating a new ordinance called "celestial marriage," which was too "holy" for the women to talk about? Even to each other? For example, the Partridge Sisters were both married to Joseph independently of each other. Also, when Joseph got Emma to finally give in, she picked the Partridge sisters. He was "sealed" to them AGAIN at a later date because Emma didn't know about the first sealings, which he kept secret from her. So basically he used sealings as a way to amass wives and keep them silent. If it really had anything to do with love and eternal families, he would have gotten sealed to Emma first and foremost. But that's not what happened. And no one at church is going to admit to you that this is the reason. I can go on and on.

@@garrettrichards5559 Thanks for your reply, Garrett. Give me the names of who told you not to research church history, I'll chew 'em out! :) Yeah, not sure why anyone would say to not research church, Bible or any history as you can learn a lot, however, being an historian myself and having thoroughly research church history, I can honestly say, there has been a tremendous amount written about church history that is not accurate, comes only from opinion and speculation or is purposefully intended to lie about our church history and characters. And some church history we just don't understand as the records are either too scant and not given enough detail. It can be difficult to find what's actually true, especially since we don't have the characters here to testify themselves. Regarding the Partridge sisters and Emma, we know from scant records that Emma was opposed to plural marriage, of any kind, when Joseph first talked about it and began to act upon it, however, we don't have any records of who was sealed to Joseph Smith nor exact dates. That may sound like a cop out but, it's true, we can speculate but, we don't know exactly who was married or sealed to Joseph Smith and when, other than Joseph and Emma's civil marriage, which we have court records of. We have journal entries and notes after the events and many of them, long after the events of temple sealings, but we have no Nauvoo temple records of Joseph Smith's marriages. We know, from personal testimony, of several of the spiritual wives of Joseph Smith, in the church vs. Fed. Gov't on plural marriage, which my own great-great grandfather, George Reynolds, represented the church at, that several of these women Joseph had been sealed and married to, in the Nauvoo temple, had sexual relations with him, all who had not been civilly married to another man or where underage (under 18). Who was sealed to Joseph when, is speculation as we just don't know. We have various records which often contradict each other or are unsubstantiated. Either way, we know that Joseph Smith taught plural marriage by way of commandment from God but have little details of how it was carried out, until the 1850's Utah period, when it became public. Likewise, we have no details exactly why Abraham, the ancient prophet, killed innocent people, why he practiced polygamy, why Moses killed a man, practiced polygamy and ordered the genocidal killing of thousands of innocent people to steal their lands. There's A LOT of scant historical accounts we just don't know all of the details of, which is why I suggested to pray for the answers. Sure, you can research but as an old college professor once told me, history is just that; his story, meaning, the story someone tells, which may become an historical account is the story or one person that's likely biased to fit their narrative. I believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, just like Peter, Isaiah, Moses and the others listed in the Bible and I believe he did the best he could with what he knew and that we know only some of what he knew. I spent years not active in the church, attending other churches and studying many other religions and philosophies and couldn't give a tiny rat's butt about the church, however, I had a friend rail agains the church one day and it's leaders, which I thought was unfair and flat-out wrong, as I knew he was lying. I decided to read the Book of Mormon, as an adult, which I had never done and never cared to, and prayed to know if it was true or just a hoax, like my friend said it was and I got a powerful answer, an audible one, that it was true and that the church was true. Not what I had expected. I was bothered by some of the church history, especially polygamy and banning the priesthood to some so I began researching, over 30 years ago, traveling to: New York, Ohio, Missouri, Illinois and Salt Lake City, where I wasn't from, to church sites, church records and critical books. I found as I mentioned earlier, there is scant records or no records of some of the things I was researching but a TON of opinions from others. I found the only source of real truth is from God and have faith that I'll learn everything I need, some day. I know that the church and its leaders have done a tremendous amount of good in the world, have fed and clothed millions of people, have taught good principles and have done their level best to help others and do their best. Neither Joseph Smith nor any other church leader is perfect and neither am I but they have done their very best and are guided by God. Kind of like rolling a car tire down a street, it will get off track, wobble a bit, nearly tip over at times but eventually, gets to the right destination with good guidance. Please read the scriptures, keep researching and don't forget to pray! God bless

@@MrArtist7777 when I was an investigator for nearly 4 months, I had questions. Sometimes it was met with polite change of subject or the casual "you have so much to learn, worry about that stuff later once you grasp the core". It seemed an excuse to push the question away. Other questions I noticed seem to annoy active members with harsh statements telling me that "if you are looking for issues don't waste our time". These gruff replies were brutal and awkward. Fortunately, that was from a select few. The Mormon missionaries that were assigned to me often played "good cop / bad cop" one being very kind and supportive, the other often 2nd guessing why I was asking certain questions. The 3 of us spent lots of time together. We visited the Smith Farm (I'm only 15 miles away from Palmyra, NY) and the Book Publishing building. The history was fascinating. Shame these 2 guys finished their trip. The new missionaries were not as educated or as friendly and I lost interest as an investigator and did my own homework.

Rational guy, I can prove to you that your church is as false as a 3 dollar bill. Do you want me to prove it to all our readers?

@@robertmelcher904 I'm perfectly aware that Mormonism and all religions are false. They are simply myth and superstitions that people still believe. What did I say that led you to think I have a religion??

@@utah133 if you are an atheist, i invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM. Do you accept my invitation?

@@utah133 Hey! Many people who leave the LDS church turn to atheism because they are so angry and feel so much betrayal for being lied to all of their lives! I was raised in the church from birth in 1954 until I left in 1992. For a long while I felt the same. Then one book changed my life. "Evidence That Demands A Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Give it a read.

@@kkheflin3 I'm not mad at all. Clear, logical thinking pretty much verifies that there's probably no God and that no religion is true.

Yes Jessie is so obviously full of the Holy Spirit! God is using you Jessie and I love your channel. Factual and spot on every single time. Thank you for all you are doing!

Maybe you should ask your cousins about why they joined and their witness. It would be good to hear them out.

Nah.

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He's right, the CES letter is a proven fraud. Do some research before you answer a matter blindly.

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Linda, I feel the opposite. Exmolex has done so well by waking up and smelling the forbidden coffee, opening her eyes to all the bullshit in fantasy religions the world over. Sadly, Jess isn't there yet, she is still clinging to something.

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Exmolex will not only destroy your body she will also destroy your soul .. I repeat she will destroy your soul

She wouldn't go into what she believes. Because she knows that her beliefs and rationale could just as easily be twisted....just like she twists what Latter-day Saints believe. The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

@@Ether-pb5gb She isn't twisting. She is speaking truth. The Mormon Church is built on fraud. She has spoken about her faith .She is a Bible believer. You don't know what you are saying.

@@cc-mk2hp I believe in the Bible too. I believe it when Jesus prays to his Father, I believe that the Father witnessed the baptism of Jesus, I believe that when Jesus was transfigured that he saw the Father, I believe that when Jesus was on the cross that he was pleading with his Father, I believe that in John 17 when Jesus is praying in Gethsemane, that he was praying to his Father. He was not praying to himself as the trinity teaches!!

We don't have alters in churches. Your comment just shows what a clown 🤡 you are.

Hi! I have a few different Bibles. My main one is NKJV. (New King James Version.) I also really enjoy ESV and NASB. My NKJV is a study Bible with commentary by Doctor David Jeremiah. I love his insight and spiritual wisdom! I actually went to his church while living in San Diego.

Jessie is wrong do your own homework because she is not! She is incorrect about 99%. Of what she says. There is no history of wheat in pre-America because it wasn’t recorded it’s known that we don’t know how long wheat has been in America because American Indians did not make records and neither did the people before them.

@tapir rider you are only versed in being rude. I doubt you got past 6th grade. Old world barley: ediblesouthwestcolorado.com/ancient-barley-an-old-world-grain-receives-modern-attention/

@tapir rider www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/

@tapir rider what can you tell me about the falseness of this report? www.supportingevidences.net/wheat-corn-barley-neas-and-she/

@tapir rider you have absolutely no proof that barley was not on this land just like you don’t have proof of half the stuff that happened in the Bible but you believe that don’t you?

The bible isn't real either. They are all man made books of fiction.

@@blahtime99 Another LIE perpetrated by those who have lost their Faith, they must DESTROY everyone else's! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oQd-fdpq9mk.html

@@Agenda21Truth1 How is that a lie? There is 0 evidence for the bible's historical accuracy.

@@blahtime99 Why are you HELL-BENT on Destroying peoples Faith? Why don't you go on your merry way & leave people alone? It doesn't mount to a hill of beans or make a difference in your day to day life, so why not let it alone? I refuse to debate you on the subject because It won't effect your view of it, but the Truth will be known in The End, & we'll both know it then!✝️🙏🏼 Physical EVIDENCE for The Bible's teachings. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oQd-fdpq9mk.html

@@Agenda21Truth1 You mean you won't because you have ZERO evidence. It's sad that you can't offer even a speck of evidence for something that you are basing your life on. And no, quoting the bible doesn't count as evidence.

Some persons never hear of Christ. Others are prejudiced against Christianity because of the bad example given by Christians, and because of this "invincible prejudice" they never accept Christianity. Nevertheless, if they hold themselves to moral conduct, repent when they slip, and believe in a just God, God will take them into heaven. I was taught this in a Catholic high school in the late 1950s--and also, of course, that God prefers everyone to be Catholic though he isn't a hardass about it. Much more humane than some evangelical doctrine. I left Catholicism because of disagreements on other matters.

@Mike Kebbingler Fascinating. What other things, such as Zelph, Mahanroymorryanchemorh, and Zarrahemlah, was Joe Smith capable of? They were all figments of his plump imagination.

@Mike Kebbingler Wow! A planet? How do you know this?

@Mike Kebbingler No, Joseph claimed in the Book of Abraham that Heavenly Father lives on a planet next to the STAR Kolob. Also, that our sun gets it's light from Kolob.

@Mike Kebbingler Agreed. He was middle-eastern, so he looked the part.

What is kolob? A planet or sunstar?

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Whoa, I mean although we say the Sacrament prayers every week (before Covid-19) in which it says "to always remember Him, to keep His commandments which He hath given them," and serve missions around the world, provide various humanitarian help, and other general acts of goodwill, we definitely don't give our lives to Jesus Christ. We just think we do, but it's the thought that counts. Although doing some stuff like that helps. Did you catch the sarcasm? That means, we DO give our lives to Christ. Maybe you should do some research (like Jessie) before you go around posting things. - From a Mormon (a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)

@@hunterraven250 Hunter are you still one? I hope not.

@@irielion3748 I'll always be one. For time and all eternity.

@@hunterraven250Oh no!

@@irielion3748 Oh yes.

Same! My closest friends are Mormon and so many of them feel like this

Tragic! 😢

Triumphator in Christ MAGA 2020 Also FEAR, fear that what if the Mormon church is true. They’ve been taught in a very diabolical way that their church is the one true church and their leaders will not lead them astray

@@MeToo-py1tq yes, this fear is difficult to overcome, it holds my family hostage! 😢 l praise the Father and my Lord Jesus that through them l am free.

@@MeToo-py1tq: Exactly. The BITE method.

@@alexislane1035: Finding peace and happiness does not mean you are saved. A Muslim, Hindi, Native American or a young lady in FLDS polygamist sect can find peace and happiness too. Only Christ through His Gospel (Bible) can save you (John 14:6)

Nope, that's your opinion. God doesn't honor those who judge others and lie with bigotry and hate.

@@MrArtist7777 the Bible tells us to reprove and admonish. Are you going to reveal that you never judged an atheist or exMormon or other religious organizations? Answer carefully.

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Yes, reprove: "reprimand or admonish" -Webster's Dictionary, which means to reprimand or admonish YOUR members, which the Bible also clearly instructs, if they get out of line with hitting their kids, stealing from others, etc., not showing bigotry and hate and intolerance for others and their beliefs. The Bible also says: "Surely the Lord God will do nothing, save he revealeth his secrets unto his servants, the prophets." Amos 3:7 And, "scripture is not for personal interpretation" 2 Peter 1:20 But requires a prophet to interpret. If you're not a prophet, you cannot interpret the scripture and if you don't follow a prophet of God, you do not know his secrets and will. Fortunately, there is a prophet of God on the earth today and he speaks with God and to God's people. Read what he has to say: churchofjesuschrist.org/ God bless!

@@MrArtist7777 I can interpret the scriptures. The Catholic church and Jehovah's Witnesses also play the game that they are the only ones that can interpret scriptures. Baloney! Notice that the verse says _"prophecy OF scripture."_ It does not say, "no scripture" is of any personal interpretation. Prophecy is a subset of Scripture. It is not Scripture as a whole. So, what is prophecy of Scripture? Well, its prophecy. Let's look at the context. 2 Peter 1:20 does not say that we cannot interpret the word of God without church authority. Furthermore, the Greek word for "interpretation" is ἑρμηνεία, hermeneia. It occurs twice in the New Testament. Scripture speaks of individual's ability to interpret Scripture 1 John 2:27, _"As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."_ Acts 17:11, _"Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." _ Romans 14:5, _"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind." _ As you can see from the three verses above, we are told that the anointing we have received, the Holy Spirit, will teach us what we need to know (1 John 2:27). We see that people compared even what Paul the Apostle said to Scripture and they were commended for it (Acts 17:11). We also see that Paul said "each person must be fully convinced in his own mind" regarding worship days (Romans 14:5). If ecclesiastical authority is necessary in order to interpret Scripture, then why is it these three verses speak to the contrary? There is no necessity given to submit to an ecclesiastical authority that will tell people what the Scriptures "really mean." As is evident from reading, the verse is speaking of the subset of Scripture; namely, prophecy. Prophecy is something that occurs within Scripture, just as narration, poetry, imprecation, songs, etc., also occur in Scripture. But, it is only prophecy that is singled out regarding interpretation. This makes sense, especially when consider what Peter says next in 2 Peter 1:21. _"for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."_

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 And what is scripture? It's writings of men moved upon by the Holy Ghost, which is prophecy. Sure, you can read scripture and try to understand it but you will never fully understand it without the spirit of prophecy, which prophets of God have. You help prove my point that the Bible contradicts itself, over and over and over again as you can find virtually any scripture and find another that will completely contradict it. It's bizarre but true. I know the Bible extremely well but avoid arguing any point in it as I can just as easily find the counter argument and just go in circles, all day, every day. Is the Bible pointless? No, it's valuable but needs to be understood by the spirit of prophecy and no other way as you'll get caught in the circle. Cheers!

Patty Farb I am in the same place. Witnessed to my brother and sister in law that the BOM was false. Asked them to just look into it like we are called in the Bible (to test all things). He said, “I guess we will see who is right when we die” 😢

@@jennifernewland1851 you might share this link with them comparing the Bible to the BOM. It's very long but very well put together in my opinion. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3OE2jyEMNWI.html

@@kkheflin3 I just watched the video. The most chilling part was the Blood Atonement. How awful was this practice. This history should be revealed to everyone in TV movie so that everyone the world over can see the cruel, evil, cult tactics at work in Mormonism.

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Yes, so many problems. What beliefs do you have now after leaving Mormonism?

@@itsmejessie They're all going atheist, Jesse, nobody's converting to your hate-filled rants of bigotry beliefs.

@@MrArtist7777 That's an ignorant lie. I get comments and emails every single day from exMormons who now know the true Savior and are born again Christians, filled with hope and joy.

@@itsmejessie Can you prove ANY of them are remaining Christians? We baptize nearly 900 people a day in our church who know the Savior lives and loves them and testify that His church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is true. We have the records, I've met many of them and have personally baptized many former Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, evangelical Christians, atheists and others who respect their former churches and beliefs and are taught to never say anything disparaging or defamatory about them but to move forward with what they believe to be true, sharing love and peace. What you're doing, Jesse, if fanning the flames of hate and bigotry, and you know it! If you don't agree with our beliefs, fine, you can simply state that and move on, as we do, and talk about your own beliefs. You know full well that the ONLY reason you're making these videos is to defame our church and members and spread bigotry and hate.

@@MrArtist7777 The LDS church teaches a false Christ, a false Gospel, false prophets, changes who God is, has occultic (demonic) background and influence in the temples, esteems Joseph Smith to the level of Jesus Christ and he himself even boasted that he did a greater work than Christ. The LDS church is blasphemous and full of deception. My ONLY goal is to preach the truth of the Bible and to expose the false teachings that contradict the Bible.

it's such a poor quality read that it's been changed in 4000 places. all without the slightest hint of a change ever being made. and there are no distinct mormon doctrines in the book. i'm suppose to believe that god needed a book to bring out hidden secrets of christianity, and then he forgot what those hidden secrets are. and then there's the authorship question. who wrote it? his mother had already written one book. and she had already raised one other son, alvin, to be a prophet, but alvin died. years later, after joseph is shot and killed, his mother and wife take up living together in the same house, and guess what? another prophet is raised. what a concidence. i'm not saying it was not a miracle. i'm sure it was a miracle. it's a miracle that anyone can read the book without dieing of boredom.

Already did! And more to come cause this one only scratches the surface! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-n-QU7uvIvNM.html

@@itsmejessie oh awesome..I missed that one..thank you!

"I will remark with regard to slavery, inasmuch as we believe in the Bible, inasmuch as we believe in the ordinances of God, in the Priesthood and order and decrees of God, we must believe in slavery. This colored race have been subjected to severe curses, which they have in their families and their classes and in their various capacities brought upon themselves. And until the curse is removed by Him who placed it upon them, they must suffer under its consequences; I am not authorized to remove it. I am a firm believer in slavery." (Prophet Brigham Young in the Joint Session of the Legislature, January 1852)

“From the days of the Prophet Joseph even until now, it has been the doctrine of the Church, never questioned by any of the Church leaders, that the Negroes are not entitled to the full blessings of the Gospel. Furthermore, your ideas, as we understand them, appear to contemplate the intermarriage of the Negro and White races, a concept which has heretofore been most repugnant to most normal-minded people from the ancient patriarchs till now. God’s rule for Israel, His Chosen People, has been endogamous. Modern Israel has been similarly directed. We are not unmindful of the fact that there is growing tendency, particularly among some educators, as it manifests itself in this area, toward the breaking down of race barriers in the matter of intermarriage between whites and blacks, but it does not have the sanction of the Church and is contrary to Church doctrine.” (LDS First Presidency (George Albert Smith), letter to Virgil H. Sponberg (critic of the anti-black ban), May 5, 1947)

@@kkheflin3 yep. That curdled my milk too. Native Americans were also called Lamanites too. Pry recall that too. Lots of intentional abuse like that.

Well, I have several Bibles. I love the New King James Version, as it's so rich and poetic and beautifully translated into English. But it also uses terms that we don't use today such as "Thou," "Thy," etc. I also have a New American Standard Version which is arguably the closest translation to the original Hebrew and Greek. If I were to make a recommendation, I would say the NASB for the reasons that it's very true to original text and also because it eliminates the "Thy's" and the "Thou's" which is more modern and applicable to today's spoken/written English language.

Open honesty? Like how DECEPTIVE the CES letter is? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

@@Ether-pb5gb "The CES letter is a major fraud. " Please show me a citation that proves the CES letter is a fraud from a non-Mormon source; thank you in anticipation.

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Thanks for your comment! May I ask what your beliefs are now?

It's Me Jessie I was a hard core atheist for awhile but after some transcendental experiences with certain plants and fungus I must say a higher realm exists. I follow eastern philosophy and am really into yoga and meditation. Religion attempts to define what is undefinable.

@John Lee it sounds like someone should read the sermon on the mount 😘

We have all envisioned things in the "mind's eye" but apparently that is good enough to call the plates legit and be included as a material witness to the BOM. #FAIL!

For starters, thank you for your service on your mission. I too served a mission and served as an elders quorum pres., along with many other callings. I had doubts about things but through research and answers to prayers, my testimony is even stronger than it started out. It's 100% false that Joseph Smith and the gold plates witnesses only saw the plates through "spiritual" eyes. Each witness, including Joseph Smith, testified of seeing the plates with their own, natural eyes and each one who witness Joseph translating them to English, bore testimony that it was done by the gift and power of God as there's absolutely no way Joseph could look through the seer stones and dictate hour after hour, the Book of Mormon text, stop for lunch or rest breaks and pick back up, exactly where he left off. Numerous witnesses saw the translation process. Eastern religions and yoga are great but, do they contain the truth? Have your received a definitive answer they are true?

I never heard anyone tell me not to investigate. I have studied books both for and against and after 50 years, I'm still a member. The church has absolutely nothing to fear from the garbage that is on this channel. Her knowledge is like kindergarten and her facts are not true. If you have some questions, start looking where there are real answers - I would suggest the BYU archives and scholars articles.

@@paulplumb6360 the LDS church's prophecies change like the wind. Does God ever change? No. So then the prophets must be false prophets and the doctrine not true. Also, the concept of salvation...LDS scripture and doctrine teach that you are saved by grace "after all you have done". So then you only receive saving grace by works. Except You can't earn your salvation by works. Biblical scripture is clear on that. If you believe the Bible to be true (as LDS members say they do), then you can't also believe Mormon scriptures. They are heavily in conflict with each other.

Thanks for the info? The fraud info? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

carm.org/mormonism/teachings-of-mormonism

Speaking as a recently returned LDS missionary, we hear about the CES letter every 3-4 weeks. Believe me, we'd love to argue and show you why the CES letter is bunk. But we're specifically told not to do that. You won't get anywhere, because anything you say we've heard ten times before. We know the Book of Mormon is true because it's brought us closer to Christ. Alongside the Bible, it is the single greatest witness of Christ's divinity and mission. Through it, you can find peace if you follow its teachings. I know that for myself.

Tara Chapman it’s not the mormon bible, we believe in the bible, but the book of mormon is just ANOTHER testament of Jesus Christ

@@alessamousques7540 I understand that.

Ikr lol

Thanks for leaving so we didn't have to throw you out.

@@JohnDLee-im4lo your cult is losing your young members each year. As long as the internet exists, your church will not succeed.

The good work of fraud? The CES letter is a major fraud. Check out just 3-4 minutes of this video. 4:45 to 8:25......VERY FRAUDULENT SCHOLARSHIP !!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QKMWYMGunIg.html

Find whatever texts dictate the dogma in her own religion and you can bet that is the last thing she will ever "analyze".

Steve Smith - Awesome conclusion! ExJW Solidarity! 👍

John Lee well John you sure like to get out there with the accusations and personal insults. Are your issues bordering on hatred or just a warm dislike. I don’t pretend to have any special knowledge about your testimony or Temple worthy ness. I do question your commitment to your to the love your neighbor as thy self commandment, in this case your response has been very similar to what I seen in posts by evangelicals, I always thought the LDS were better then that. You probably should have started your response with bearing your testimony on you know that Joseph Smith was a Prophet or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. I talk about my personal experience and opinion. I don’t do character assassination or resort to personal attack’s. If you want to be the defender of the faith great, but have a little dignity.

John Lee well there you go again, name calling, trying to play the RU-vid bully. Were you looking in the mirror when you came up with hypocrite? I was expecting some sort of retort, not one so unthought out. If you get this out of wack with the comments of a stranger, then one can only imagine your reactions to people you actually know. Who have opinions that differ from yours.

Steve Smith You shouldn't blame God because you were deceived by Joseph Smith. He warned you by Jesus Christ to not be deceived. I had to own it myself after a lifetime of delusion as well, so I understand your feelings. Peace.

@@Mikha335 All we have a man made religions and flawed humans preaching that they're the ones with the truth. If your Jesus or God or Allah or Buddha wants us to know something, let him tell us, not you

😳 Wow!

" a Mormon, offered me tickets to the annual Hill Cumorah Festival." I think that's the annual Pagent that the current LDS 'Prophet' has just cancelled and discontinued, so you won't be offered tickets after the final one in 2020. Can anyone understand why the LDS leader has done this, unless it's because he knows it's a load of nonsense himself perhaps and wants to attract attention away from Hill Cumorah where there is no evidence, no archeology at all for the book of Mormon claim that 230,000 warriors were killed and prior to that at Hlil Ramah (same Hill) nearly Two million warriors were killed. Both battles supposedly with Steel weapons and armor.

Michael Malley I have been to that pageant/outdoor play.

About 20 years ago, I used to correspond with an Ex-Mormon guy who had previously been in charge of car parking for the pageant for many years.

@@itsmejessie There's probably giants buried under the mound, or Nephilim.

Thanks! I do nothing, honestly. I usually film in my dining room in the evenings. The lighting just works well then!

Talking about the KJV writing, not BoM

What she’s reading is referring to the original KJV translation, done in 1611. The KJV was produced in the early 17th century. Joseph Smith’s 1769 edition was a printing of a 17th century translation

@@markking8292 Indeed. One of the prima facie falsities of the BOM is that it is supposedly a 19th century translation and yet it sounds suspiciously like 17th century English! 19th century Americans weren't talking with "thees" and "thous" and other flowery, old timey grammar.

Cut her a break.. the church doesn't believe in educating us... we had a lot of catching up to do.

all mormon history is very controversial. all mormon history is officially denied by the mormon church because it is so embarrassing. in the case of what happened at carthage jail you have to rely on the witnesses and the court trial that happened after the murders. john taylor was one of the witnesses. he is a mormon and he was with joseph smith when joseph got shot. John Taylor actually said, "I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed, died."[1] follow the footnote to: Smith, History of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Vol. 7, 102-103 going deeper you will most certainly find bona fide certified statements on both sides of the question, as to whether or not joseph smith killed 2 men. when he shot them in the face was their best interest in his mind? what was in his heart? was it merely a matter of loving the apostate into heaven? i think not. joseph smith was no vestial virgin. not like the mormon church tries to portray. he was the head of a gang of cutthroats known as the danites who killed a lot of men. 2 of the danites wrote books. bill hickman and john d lee. so before you try to defend joseph smith as a totally innocent fun loving country farm boy, be prepared to explain the trail of dead bodies the mormons left all over the place from kirtland to salt lake city utah. and explain why general johnston was ordered to salt lake city, and explain the mountain meadows massacre. mormonism is a cult. always has been always will be.+