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The Chainsmokers - Closer | Theory & Arrangement Breakdown 

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Back for another breakdown, Matt Donner dissects the music theory behind “Closer” by The Chainsmokers. He builds the chord progression as well as his own rendition of the song in Logic Pro X.
Matt uses his favorite concept - “complexity equals simplicity” - to teach students that complex music theory can help simple song arrangements reach their full potential.
In “Closer”, the main chord progression is in F natural minor, or aeolian. The Chainsmokers make use of the entire scale, using every single note - spread out across two octaves. They also make use of a concept called “pedaling”, where one chord is sustained or repeated while other chords happen around it. Last but not least, they make use of relative modality.
We have included helpful visuals of the scale so that you can build these chords and melodies yourself. This is a must watch for fans of The Chainsmokers, as well as music producers struggling with theory and arrangement techniques.
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Комментарии : 238   
@j00hnnyandr3
@j00hnnyandr3 8 лет назад
If The Chainsmokers watch this video, they would be like: "ahh... so that's what we've been doing!"
@punky2deep
@punky2deep 8 лет назад
more like "wtf, our ghost producer explained this differently"
@daillocruz3606
@daillocruz3606 8 лет назад
Don't think so
@projectnitefall8058
@projectnitefall8058 8 лет назад
silhouette they don't have ghost producers. now artists like tiesto and Steve aoki are a different story.
@1az3r91
@1az3r91 8 лет назад
ProjectNiteFall nah only DVBBS and other artists
@lazypablo8505
@lazypablo8505 8 лет назад
no,they maybe an asshole but andrew is a great producer.
@dkjbeats9881
@dkjbeats9881 8 лет назад
You're like that one english teacher that makes everything in a novel an extended metaphor that the author never really meant to happen
@colinbrash
@colinbrash 8 лет назад
Rory Matthews I'm confused. Aren't they the same teacher? ;)
@Chika_Lilac
@Chika_Lilac 7 лет назад
Honestly when Chainsmokers wrote the song at the time they just thought it sounded it good. They probably didn't deliberately do all these fancy theories this dude is mentioning.
@dkjbeats9881
@dkjbeats9881 7 лет назад
Fiji Water that's what i mean
@fishywtf
@fishywtf 7 лет назад
100% for sure. lol i have watched edm artists workflow and what they do is that pick a chord and if it sounds good they branch from it but if it sounds trash they try to add extra notes to it. If they like it they will adjust up and down the scale to see what happens. he gives these edm artist too much credit.
@anxiousmindmusic
@anxiousmindmusic 7 лет назад
Danny Johnson whether they wrote the metaphor intentionally or not, its there. For some people that just means writing something interesting that comes naturally, but it's still there. Same with music, and we call it ear I suppose.
@alexcvx3906
@alexcvx3906 8 лет назад
"Does it make a clichè? Only when you get tired of it!". This quote just made my day! You're an awesome dude!
@alexeskimo4054
@alexeskimo4054 6 лет назад
Alex CVX :)
@thatrandomfanboy1438
@thatrandomfanboy1438 7 лет назад
Video: they're seriously smart with their music Chainsmokers: So i found this sample and edited the hell out of it with this vst i found and then moved these notes around here and added a kick with a snap like this *snaps their fingers* and yeah. We have no idea what this video is talking about.
@salomositorus9357
@salomositorus9357 8 лет назад
please do Shelter by Porter Robinson and Madeon. i've been their brilliant music fans. trust me they use uncommon chords and scales which common people can't replicate. please :)
@zacharybell9925
@zacharybell9925 8 лет назад
Fm7 chord with Db in the bass is a Db9 chord (with the maj7). So I disagree that they're using an Fm chord for the whole song. And whenever the singer is singing starting on Ab, it doesn't mean they're singing in Ab, they can still be singing in Fm and start on Ab.
@jac4423
@jac4423 4 года назад
I agree this video isn't truely correct.
@rapnerd1392
@rapnerd1392 4 года назад
Wouldn’t it be both Db 9 and a Fm 7/Db slash chord. And if the singer keeps the Ab tonal center then they would be singing in the parallel Ab major. I could be wrong.
@zacharybell9925
@zacharybell9925 4 года назад
@@rapnerd1392 The Db itself changes the chord from a minor to major, so I think calling it Fm7/Db, while it may be helpful for pop musicians to play, is incorrect from a music theory perspective. It's like calling a Cmaj7 chord Em/C - the function is incorrect since we just hear it as a Cmaj7 chord. Also, it should be noted that my comment from three years ago says it's a Db9 chord, when it's actually called a Dbmaj9 chord. Hope this helps
@rapnerd1392
@rapnerd1392 4 года назад
@@zacharybell9925 I see what you mean.
@LaraTang
@LaraTang 5 лет назад
I was writing my GCSE music comp in F minor aeolian and now I actually know what it means haha thanks for making this video!
@im_Spade_
@im_Spade_ 7 лет назад
This stuff is amazing. I love just hearing how these songs are put together and I love the parallel you made with cooking. "If you take an ugly flavor and wrap it in a bunch of sweet stuff you have a really rich taste." Thanks for that outlook.
@Impennybee
@Impennybee 7 лет назад
This is the first video i have watched from u, and im so freaking glad i found your channel! This is exactly what i need, cant wait to spend the whole night watching ur vids! :D thanks!
@chriskelly9899
@chriskelly9899 7 лет назад
Chainsmokers: Dang that preset on massive really knows its theory.
@michaeljamescollins6800
@michaeljamescollins6800 8 лет назад
I am absolutely so happy that this channel is active. You guys rock! keep it up!
@punky2deep
@punky2deep 8 лет назад
thank you for the great explanation and making me insecucre about my music theory knowledge level :D
@Diserpier
@Diserpier 8 лет назад
The best teacher around the world !! I watched the video where you explain the Runaway theory and a couple days ago I tried to make the same with this song (Closer). Now you put a video about this. I've learn much because when I watched this video I realize my supositions weren't so far. Thank you soo much!!
@666Vandel666
@666Vandel666 6 лет назад
oh man how can something be so complicated yet so simple at the same time thank you for the videos I'm learning a lot :)
@jordanconover8522
@jordanconover8522 7 лет назад
Matt I love the video, I like what you're doing for artists and I look forward to watching a lot more of your previous and upcoming videos! thanks for all your help :)
@lari0108
@lari0108 8 лет назад
I absolutely love these videos! Learnt so much in so little time
@dericc8611
@dericc8611 8 лет назад
Love these breakdowns Matt!! Thank you so much for doing them! Love your style! :D Cheers.
@fka_sophrosyne
@fka_sophrosyne 8 лет назад
Honestly i'm pretty sure they at least change the chord to E flat major somewhere
@Iamcluster12
@Iamcluster12 8 лет назад
This guy rocks, learning so much from these videos. Keep them coming!
@gojibeatz
@gojibeatz 7 лет назад
7:27 I thought 'Hit The Road Jack' was about to come on xD
@joschaa.7753
@joschaa.7753 8 лет назад
This chord progression is just wrong. Why isn't anyone noticing it?
@JohnRodDondoyano
@JohnRodDondoyano 7 лет назад
Joscha A. me
@danielfedca2401
@danielfedca2401 7 лет назад
yeah i notice it since the beginning
@rikyriky966
@rikyriky966 7 лет назад
yeah it sounds wrong to me too
@iammusacznow310
@iammusacznow310 7 лет назад
Actually it does, but idk why he explained that like a guru or something
@MikelOvalle
@MikelOvalle 7 лет назад
It really is. Sounds nothing like the original.
@Jay-407
@Jay-407 8 лет назад
coming from someone with zero knowledge in music theory at all but still manages to produce, do these artists decide what scale/key they will be writing in beforehand or is it something that typically comes as you go? may be a dumb question but I have to ask.
@iamstd2
@iamstd2 8 лет назад
I'm pretty sure in most EDM the scale is picked where the most notes work in the sub bass, mostly between D# and G#. I don't think that's taken into much consideration with melodic or pop stuff because there's less bass emphasis.
@Jay-407
@Jay-407 8 лет назад
Dam never viewed it that way. Thanks
@iamstd2
@iamstd2 8 лет назад
Yeah I mean 99.99999% of dubstep is done in F. If you notice, those progressive guys like Alesso and Axwell use high keys like A, B etc and usually in major.
@rikyriky966
@rikyriky966 7 лет назад
in pop songs, mainly vocal range of the singer determines the key of the song. If you write a song and give it to a singer to sing, he or she will transpose it immediately if can't sing along.
@charlescampbell2170
@charlescampbell2170 8 лет назад
Would love to see a James Blake breakdown!
@Skyefaux
@Skyefaux 8 лет назад
This is the channel I need right now.
@colegilfillan3528
@colegilfillan3528 6 лет назад
Benjamin Shurts naebor benj
@altastral
@altastral 8 лет назад
3:43 tiny nitpick - the second octave would be 15, since unison is 1, add 7 to get the first octave of 8, then add another 7 to get 15
@rapnerd1392
@rapnerd1392 4 года назад
The 1st goes 1-8 and then the second octave goes from 8-16 you mean. That would be two octaves.
@altastral
@altastral 4 года назад
@@rapnerd1392 what's 8 minus 1 and what's 16 minus 8?
@rapnerd1392
@rapnerd1392 4 года назад
@@altastral 8-1=7 and 16-8=8. I'm not sure where you're going with this.
@altastral
@altastral 4 года назад
@@rapnerd1392 you said 1-8 and 8-16 are both octaves, but those ranges span different amounts of notes. it's 1-8 and 8-15.
@rapnerd1392
@rapnerd1392 4 года назад
Two octaves of the same scale. So C Major(1st Chord) through B dim(7th chord) then second octave C Major (unison) through B dim (15th chord). Ok, that's true.
@oddsphere
@oddsphere 8 лет назад
You do really well at explaining the music, thanks for the dope vid!
@dennman37
@dennman37 8 лет назад
I love these episodes
@モーティマー真
@モーティマー真 8 лет назад
I feel like it would be easier to explain in the key of A flat though... cuz the bass notes would make a progression of IV V vi being looped... the triads or added notes on top of the chord can also be understood as an upper structure triad or something... at least, thats what I do very often in my own music.
@TheBandMan
@TheBandMan 6 лет назад
松井よしや Ab and Fm are related, the relative minor of Ab is Fm.
@rapnerd1392
@rapnerd1392 4 года назад
The way this became clear to me was to learn that both Am and CM have all white keys. Parallel minor to major.
@ringchamp6543
@ringchamp6543 8 лет назад
Matt, keep these going, you've got a great way of teaching
@AdnanAlsannaa
@AdnanAlsannaa 8 лет назад
You're amazing!!! I love how you do pop music.
@Andrew-K
@Andrew-K 8 лет назад
Great video! Such a catchy song. Can anyone comment on how the scale degrees here pull towards one another since there isn't much of a chord progression? I know 7->1 and 4->3 but what are the chainsmokers doing here? They seem to harp on the same notes for the vocal creating a huge anticipation for resolution. Just wondering what those scale degrees might be.
@ianyapxw
@ianyapxw 8 лет назад
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@hacktivator7906
@hacktivator7906 8 лет назад
Can you please, by the name of your awesomeness, do a breakdown of this song: "Dropgun, Lenx & Denx - A Better Love"
@JustChazOrr
@JustChazOrr 8 лет назад
I could watch this all day. You sir are perfect.
@wilihey1425
@wilihey1425 5 лет назад
This is really helpful for learning, thanks a lot for those videos
@martinshewfelt1236
@martinshewfelt1236 7 лет назад
So glad to have found this channel!
@marvincyk
@marvincyk 7 лет назад
Thank you! Please continue to do these!
@gcnubian
@gcnubian 7 лет назад
The double octave is actually not the "16th" but rather a "15th." In Italian, these two intervals are called, "ottava" and "quidicesima," hence the spelling in music of "8va" and "15ma." Great video! I appreciate your work here!
@chaoticspear
@chaoticspear 6 лет назад
Your videos are so f*cking good man. Love watching you break songs down. Nice one!!
@Jay-407
@Jay-407 8 лет назад
dude your videos are amazing. so mad ive just now found it
@johnnybarama
@johnnybarama 7 лет назад
The bass note should be c#, d#, F min, d# - in the pre right?! The same as the chorus and the drop?
@issymy
@issymy 7 лет назад
Exactly!!! How wrong is that guy. Too much of wrong info. Is more simple than he explains. These are the chords for the whole song. Please people be careful what you think you teach-breakdown.
@coeurdelion8517
@coeurdelion8517 7 лет назад
The bass is so beautiful... but there is one thing that I did not understand (English is not my native language), what are 7th chords ?
@jacobsecrest1995
@jacobsecrest1995 6 лет назад
So the song is actually in D flat. then E flat then F m7. Those are the 3 chords...
@robbietrejo2013
@robbietrejo2013 5 лет назад
Jacob Secrest the song is in the scale of A Flat. The song simply begins on the 4 chord of the A Flat scale. If the song was in D Flat, it would start in F sharp.
@EYTPS
@EYTPS 6 лет назад
Someone thought a song by the Chainsmokers needed a 13-minute analysis.... this guy.. and he still didn't answer why this song is categorized as dance
@fr3727
@fr3727 8 лет назад
Great videos man! Keep them coming
@Ph3_n1x
@Ph3_n1x 7 лет назад
Awesome breakdowns please keep up the good work
@dabs1372
@dabs1372 6 лет назад
İ have been watching these; conclusion is that mess with your basses guys. İt works.
@oscar43211234
@oscar43211234 7 лет назад
how did you create that warm complete feeling starting for 6:12 ?
@browncoat697
@browncoat697 6 лет назад
Bass does a lot for it.
@St0ckwell
@St0ckwell 5 лет назад
Also you got the 13 theory wrong. When you raise that Db to a D, it becomes dorian, and is therefor the non standard 13. There is no "Fmm13", just Fm13, and then Fm11Maj13 or Fm11Maj6 for the dorian equivalent
@stevesimpson9394
@stevesimpson9394 7 лет назад
Awesome vid, thank you.
@dpbrinkm
@dpbrinkm 7 лет назад
this is amazing! so much info! thank you!
@liamtheboi9309
@liamtheboi9309 7 лет назад
You sir, are a magnificent teacher :)
@siroswald3188
@siroswald3188 8 лет назад
very well done, loving this series
@DeanLotter
@DeanLotter 7 лет назад
Awesome tutorial! :)
@BachCounterpoint
@BachCounterpoint 7 лет назад
Love your videos, but I find that many theory teachers don't address a key aspect of musical complexity: rhythm. Why is that? Surely the rhythm does heaps of the work
@browncoat697
@browncoat697 6 лет назад
Rhythm is a lot harder to analyze because with melody/harmony we have distinct and easily described concepts like consonance and dissonance, various scales and modes, all that stuff, while with rhythm it's basically "uh, time signatures and syncopation lmao." Often, certain rhythmic patterns are associated with genre, especially in pop music - early jazz loved the Charleston rhythm (dotted quarter + eighth note), modern pop loves that hemiola-ish clave rhythm (dotted quarter + dotted quarter + quarter, see Cheap Thrills by Sia), bossa nova has specific rhythmic patterns on drum kit that you're basically expected to play if you're playing bossa nova, etc. It's to the point where as a drummer you're simply expected to know if someone says "hey, can you give me some kind of reggae feel?" you're just expected to have a lot of emphasis on beat one rather than the backbeat and to use tons of syncopated hi-hat stuff because that's what reggae sounds like.
@joshphillips3171
@joshphillips3171 7 лет назад
Listen to a couple of Julian Calor's newest songs, the chord progressions are amazing!!!
@VaylewMusic
@VaylewMusic 7 лет назад
I think the most complex thing in music is make a simple track. And simple tracks are the most popular ones.
@quincysbusstop1729
@quincysbusstop1729 6 лет назад
VaylewMusic, actually music tracks that you can easily hum with your mouth or you can just imagine, people find it easy and interesting... that's all, I guess
@Papi.Labouche
@Papi.Labouche 8 лет назад
Can we suggest songs? If so can you break down a song called Jump by Astrid S some day :)
@WHOWHENWHYY
@WHOWHENWHYY 8 лет назад
we love you Mat!!!
@realraven2000
@realraven2000 7 лет назад
6:15 - the squelchy synth sound is there a special name fort this type of sound? I always find it hard to find a good starting preset for synth chetypes like this one.
@aris8628
@aris8628 4 года назад
Me (trying to make a song, with no music theory)*be like: wth this is so complicated, i just need to bring helpers in fl studio, and just fill what i see and just hear what is match to my ears. Hmm does anyone same like me?
@TheLumaister
@TheLumaister 7 лет назад
Interesting breakdown of the song, but the emphasis on the submediant (Db Major), being at the beginning of every repetition of the chord progression, leads me to think of the piece as being in Db Lydian. Although this is modally identical to F Aeolian, as it is to Ab Ionian, I can't help but think there should have been more emphasis on how the upper voices of the chord are less important than the bass voice for identifying chords. Regardless I love how you are applying some theory to more popular music. Keep it up.
@klipnity
@klipnity 7 лет назад
0:40 It's actually called Future Bass :)
@th3h3artship
@th3h3artship 7 лет назад
This theory video was fabulous haha
@ibarneyb
@ibarneyb 8 лет назад
Excellent - love this !
@kodoaok626
@kodoaok626 4 года назад
Sir, Now I dont know to read sheet music, don't know music theory.But I write lyrics and sing myself.I want to share those with people undergoing my same feeling.I started seeing breakdown song videos as they would help but i don't understand.I started to play guitar.Can you help me with my journey,what I should learn first. I'm from India,from remote village.
@CitrusCG
@CitrusCG 7 лет назад
this is so good.
@vzm4663
@vzm4663 7 лет назад
Great analyzation! =)
@ksrr23
@ksrr23 7 лет назад
DO YOUNG BY THE CHAINSMOKERS!!! I dont get how the mix the melody with the chords
@seanissomething
@seanissomething 8 лет назад
So the happiest sounding song of the year is in a minor scale? This disproves everything I thought I knew about music... :(
@richieeffe7200
@richieeffe7200 8 лет назад
keep up the great work!
@yousher99
@yousher99 5 лет назад
Thanks man for your investigation!!!
@kashtr1935
@kashtr1935 8 лет назад
can you do ain't giving up by craig david
@4rbuz241
@4rbuz241 6 лет назад
Take a major chord, go up one tone, another one but in minor, then go back and loop it
@andeeee6050
@andeeee6050 4 года назад
"that's a whole damn scale in a chord" lmao
@seankhalif850
@seankhalif850 8 лет назад
tutorials on melodies?
@tudorhulban2817
@tudorhulban2817 7 лет назад
thank you for the video. the keyboard sounds sexy when you hit it hard.
@edk666666
@edk666666 8 лет назад
Subscribed! So interesting!
@DjJohnnyTheripper
@DjJohnnyTheripper 4 года назад
i am strigling wiht m my cords.. usually it ends up alwa the same.. about not knowing how to end something.. or.. i dont know the right chord to use.. the ssoun d production is so big that i get lost within the making.. :(
@devvan336
@devvan336 7 лет назад
You got a Subscriber Dude 😇❤
@rrgert4
@rrgert4 8 лет назад
this guy is awesome
@carimabdala
@carimabdala 6 лет назад
1:41 okay.... I'm subscribing XD
@PyramindSF
@PyramindSF 6 лет назад
:D thanks!
@itshamiiid
@itshamiiid 7 лет назад
dude, Matt, i have alot of respect for your work and kwnoledge. but the verse part, your chords are so different than what the original sounds like. I searched other videos and saw different chords which sounds more like the original. cheers
@Rehoxx
@Rehoxx 7 лет назад
Excellent tutorial 1 like and 1 sub!!
@sdrozo
@sdrozo 8 лет назад
yes!
@junseokim3734
@junseokim3734 7 лет назад
can u tell me what midi keyboard that is?
@PyramindSF
@PyramindSF 7 лет назад
Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S49
@junseokim3734
@junseokim3734 7 лет назад
Pyramind :D ty!
@diandramadhan
@diandramadhan 7 лет назад
Next level of psychologic
@rwbeatz8535
@rwbeatz8535 7 лет назад
love this guy so much :D
@elatiik4843
@elatiik4843 8 лет назад
i love you man!! you re awesome i love you series
@jesuschristianfernandezcos2039
traduccion please!
@St0ckwell
@St0ckwell 5 лет назад
There is no "Fminor79", just fmin9. If you played it with no 7 it would be fmadd9
@DNVRNV
@DNVRNV 8 лет назад
Yeah, inspired!
@0neTwo0neTwo
@0neTwo0neTwo 8 лет назад
"don't mess with sevens"
@allforit101
@allforit101 8 лет назад
The bassline is 4-4/5/6-6/5 then repeat. Please upvote so people dont play bassline wrong. You can clearly hear it go Db-Db/Eb/F-F/Eb and repeat.
@allforit101
@allforit101 8 лет назад
Those are the actual notes of the bassline, not the actual chords btw, for anyone that wants and needs to get technical. Other than that great vid guys! :D
@ld.117
@ld.117 7 лет назад
This guy is funny as hell! keep it up!
@mayanksaxena6575
@mayanksaxena6575 8 лет назад
went over my head ......swoosh !!!!😂
@Fre3flyOfficial
@Fre3flyOfficial 7 лет назад
I wouldn't have guessed that such a simple-sounding track is actually so complex :)
@juniorpittTV
@juniorpittTV 8 лет назад
*HEYYY........................................................................................................................................................* I love your style 😉
@DistrictScooterBoy1
@DistrictScooterBoy1 7 лет назад
WOULD LOVE THE WEEKND BREAKDOWN
@Versus61
@Versus61 8 лет назад
Nice video. I'd appreciate you taking a closer look at...actually complex progressions tho. I know taste is not really debatable, but a Theory & Aarrangement Breakdown of EDM / Pop-Chart music is somewhat pointless as (arguably) 10-yo music students could come up with those ideas.
@ProductionsA2
@ProductionsA2 4 года назад
when you run out of ideas for making videos: pyramind: chainsmokers....
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