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gilgamesh still slams HUGE UPDATE FOR KOJURO STUFF!!! There is a UBW Visual Animation guide that goes over the fight, and it nerfs Artorias "Beyond Speed" argument (But she is still Immeasurable), but massively buffs her Attack Power. It explains that even anime Kojuro was off balance which is why Saber could dodge, but her Excalibur Slash is the strongest Slash of all time, making it stronger than Kojuro's outerversal slashes. Meaning 8D Saber might actually be downplay, this scaling also makes Saber surviving Gaeshi more consistent, as her Excalibur at Full Power is stronger than it, here are the scans: imgur.com/a/Q1VNuvK (Big thanks to sosaxphoenix for this niche guide, it was discontinued and he had scans of it ready so that was very helpful) For people saying Kojuro was nerfed, the Kojuro fight in the anime is different than the original Visual Novel. Even the amount of slashes in the anime is different 2 to 3. 2 in the original 1st fight in the VN, but 3 in the anime. The VN =/= Anime version of events, only UBW Visual Guide suggest he is nerfed with no indication in the actual show, it is more of a supplemental explanation based on the VN however, the VN does not apply. That is a common misconception. For people commenting on Tamomo being nerfed vs Saber and not being as strong as she was vs BB, this is not the mainline scaling as even while nerfed in base she can still run back in time, and Saber scales above the 9 Tails amped Tamomo by fighting Sefar who the Extra servants other than Gilgamesh can't fight. Nero says with her Mythological mystic code (which makes her strong enought to fight BB) she cannot compare to Sefar, who Saber defeats. I showed this Sefar scaling in the video. I know the Nero statement is kind of niche so most people don't know about it, but here it is if you want to save it yourself for Saber > Sefar > CCC Servants >~ BB (Other than Gil) (Saber > Sefar > Amaterasu = Regalia > Arcueid > Buddha = Kiara > MMC > BB) imgur.com/a/OpOVj0O For people saying Saber never beat Sefar, in the video I provide scans that she defeats him in multiple timelines and the past. Gilgamesh also implies that if he beats Saber she won't be able to interfere anymore, her interfering being defeating Sefar.

Come on, Seth. Just tell us that you like Saber and she's your waifu Edit: What the hell, 3k likes? Thanks, guys. Also, I can't believe I have to clarify this but this is a joke. I am not, in any way, am trying to say that Seth made this video because he's fanboying. I swear, some people just can't take the joke. I'm looking at you, Oz the Immortal. Get some goddamn humor, man.

One thing to note about Excalibur is that it has 13 seals or Restraint to limit it's power, this is true for both Arthur and Artoria. And to release each seals it must meet the following Conditions: - The enemy must be more powerful than oneself - The battle must be one-on-one - The enemy must not be an elemental - The battle must be one against evil - The battle must not involve personal gain - The battle must not be against Humanity - The battle must not be inhumane - The battle must be for truth - The battle must be to live - The battle must be to save the world (Arthur's version) or The battle must be to defend human order (Artoria's version) - One's comrades-in-arms must be courageous - The battle must not be against one pure of heart - The battle must be an honorable one On the sidenote Rhongomyniad Artoria's second noble phantasm which rivals Excalibur also has 13 seals

You forgot the fact that Saber has realized the true meaning of life and existence when the great Saint Shirou spoke to her the sacred words, "People die when they are killed".

My favorite part of the Fate series is when Saber Nero was called deadweight by Dante and for some apparent reason held more of a grudge against Dante doing that than her own dad who cut off her arm.

"These attacks are beyond comprehension." "How?" "They just are" "How does this make them more powerful?" "Well they have to be, they're beyond comprehension" "Why?" "Because they said so"

Saber may scale above everyone else in fiction but Seth doesn't scale above the law 💀

>uploads a video saying a Fate character can beat SpongeBob SquarePants >few months later >gets called out for sexting an underaged person and abusive towards friends Moral of lesson: Don't diss SpongeBob SquarePants in power scaling.

Is she strong enough to break you out of prison

Saber beat Assassin's conceptually perfect attack because while the skill was flawless, he was using a regular metal blade and their earlier clashes had deformed it, meaning that his perfect form didn't translate into a completely perfect movement. That flaw created a space for her to respond with her wind release. Given her nerfs at that time, if Assassin had used that attack 1st, she would definitely have been hit by it. This is an anime vs source misunderstanding. Edit: _Hit,_ not 'necessarily' one-shot, though not necessarily not.

Gonna say you’re slightly miss-scaling the Tsubame gaeshi. The idea behind it is that assassin has trained so extensively in an “inescapable” attack that through pure skill with his sword he warps space so that his blade exists in three places at once with it being suggested the way it works is by brushing against the ability of kaleidoscope to refract assets of parallel worlds unto another

Granted, the Nasuverse is pretty broken from the get-go. For example: Shiki Tohno, the MC from Tsukihime can see the causality in all things and cut the threads of causality to basically erase things from existence. And that's from the beginning of the story.

Not even saber can beat your allegations💀

was not expecting a fate video from seth of all ppl. Also other than servants being restricted from destroying the planet I would also like to add when it comes to fights in fate its not just power vs power my meat's bigger than yours its moreso rock paper scissors and circumstance. Someone like Shirou can be capable of beating Gilgamesh if he serves as a direct counter to gil's main go to so on and so forth.

One thing that should be mentioned is that Fate characters summoned during stay/night all are much weaker than their original capabilities because they’re summoned to the world by their masters and rely on their masters for magic supply. Hence why Saber for most of FS/N was often fatigued and obviously why servants weren’t able to bust out higher dimensional fire power.

This video is really misinformed, and I feel the need to explain why. 1) Servants AREN'T Planet level: All you have to do is read the clip you show at 2:00 . "Even at full power, a Top Servant's Noble Phantasm almost certainly couldn't break an entire planet apart. AND EVEN IF an Anti-Planet Noble Phantasm existed, on paper, it wouldn't be enough to destroy THIS ONE." Da Vinci is outright stating that Servants aren't planet busters, & that even if they were, they wouldn't be able to destroy Earth due to the Counter Force defense mechanisms. This is Da Vinci in Shinjuku after having already seen Kingu (who is stated to be as powerful as ALIVE Gilgamesh) use Enuma Elish against Tiamat. Even Karna's Brahmastra Kundala which is stated to be ON PAR with a Nuclear Bomb is already strong enough to kill 99% servants. How can servants be planet level? It makes no sense. Therefore 2:51 is outright wrong. In fact, Chaldea who can summon a ton of Servants needs to travel all the way to the British Lostbelt to acquire Morgan's Rhongomyniad since they don't have a single planetary class NP capable of harming the Alien God. Mash's Lord Camelot is very tanky because it can block any attack as long as her willpower doesn't waver (this is a conceptual feature of her NP stated in her profile btw). Her being able to block crazy stuff that's indeed planetary doesn't mean regular servants could pull it off as well. It's a special haxx she has. 2) Regular Servants DON'T scale to Kiara and BB 2:35 Does Raditz scale to Jiren because both of them fought Goku at different points in time? No right? That's the logic you are using in 4:20 . You are completely misinterpreting feats and taking those of BUFFED Nero/Tamamo/Gilgamesh/EMIYA to scale REGULAR Artoria. It is outright stated that if Gilgamesh/Nero/Tamamo/EMIYA (I'll call them Team Hakuno from now on for simplicity) stand a 0% chance at defeating BB if they don't use the Mythological Mystic Code. In fact, even after unlocking the Mystic Code, their chances of victory are only increased to 0.9999%. This is not a random number I made up btw. It is stated by Sakura and Jinako in the game. It is only thanks to getting a 2nd buff in the form of the School Building resources that they manage to defeat BB in the end. All servants in Stay Night and Zero are stated to be weaker than Gilgamesh, who was confirmed to stand a 0% of beating BB normally. I really can't fathom how you'd come to the conclusion Artoria claps those guys. 4) The Holy Grail isn't omnipotent: 3:42 I don't know if this was flavory language or if you were for real, but the grail is not omnipotent. I don't understand how you, who were a relevant advocator of Alien X not being omnipotent due to all his restrictions and anti feats can happily claim that the Holy Grail is when it's stated that there are many wishes that it cannot grant. 5) Artoria scales to Sefar: 6:29 I feel like this is where all the misunderstanding comes from. Artoria can indeed beat Sefar POTENTIALLY, but it is completely SITUATIONAL. Excalibur is restricted by 13 Seals that restrain its power exponentially. Each seal is attached to a condition that must be met in order to be released. Its power is increased with each seal released, and the boost in power is exponential. Artoria literally goes from being unable to overpower Gilgamesh (who is stated to stand a 0% chance against BB) to her full power NP being able to one shot 7th Stage Sefar, who has a power level of 300,000,000 according to guides (1 Tailed Tamamo being a 9 and A ranked Servants such as Artoria a 100 on this scale). Just because Artoria can beat Sefar if 13 specific conditions are met it doesn't mean characters in Stay Night or Zero scale to Sefar as well or that the versions of Artoria we see lose to Gilgamesh do as well. 6:33 literally makes no sense based on the explanation I already gave. The same servants that defeated BB never fought Sefar. Nero did say that even with the Mythological Mystic Code they wouldn't beat Sefar, but as I already explained, the Mystic Code on its own only gives the Hakuno Team a 0.9999% chance of victory. They needed a 2nd buff to actually win. A buff that isn't available in the world of EXTELLA. Secondly, Sefar in EXTELLA is weakened. Sefar has a total of 7 evolution stages, and each stage is stated to be 10 times stronger and Taller than the previous one. The more mana Sefar absorbs, the bigger and stronger she gets. Going by the size she had in EXTELLA, which was stated to be 64 meters, we can conclude she was in her 3rd stage give or take, as her 7th stage is confirmed to be over 1 Kilometer tall. As I already explained, her 7th stage (the one Artoria could possibly beat) equals a PL of 300 million, whereas her 3rd stage stops at 30 K. And finally, Sefar in EXTELLA has a huge weakness on her chest, a remnant of the first time she was killed by Excalibur in 12,000 BC. Whereas A rank NPs can't even scratch Titan Altera's face at the start of EXTELLA, they are able to kill 3rd stage Sefar (who is way stronger than Titan Altera) at the end of the game due to her chest having a huge hole that exposes her Core/weak spot. Nero had no idea about this weakness when she stated the Mythological Mystic Code isn't guaranteed to beat sefar either, so if regular Altera (who is stated to be equal to Iskandar) could beat Stage 3 Sefar thanks to said weakness, CCC Gilgamesh with his 2 buffs should be able to do it as well. 6) Servants aren't above the concepts of Time and Speed. Most of them aren't even Supersonic: 7:15 Kojirou is stated to be above "time/space/speed" because the 3 slashes in Tsubame Gaeshi are released SIMULTANEOUSLY. It's equivalent to 3 people slashing you at once except there's only one dude. In that regard, he is really impressive, and that's something even Goku can't do as far as I know, but you are forgetting that the slashes themselves AREN'T moving at infinite speed. Just because the slashes are released simultaneously, it doesn't mean that they are any faster than the speed of sound. In fact, High Tier Servants are consistently stated to be supersonic. Gae Bolg for example is stated to move at Mach 2 both in Stay Night and FGO, Artoria, Mordred, Karna, and Achilles are all stated to move faster than sound, and in Strange Fake Gilgamesh considered that his NPs moving at the speed of lightning would be useful in blocking a potential surprise sniper attack from Enkidu. In FGO, Musashi (who fought a stronger ALIVE Kojirou than the one in Stay Night to a draw) could barely react to the Dioscuri twins moving at SUB LIGHT SPEED, and stated that if she wasn't buffed by Sherlock Holmes at the time she would have been speed blitzed. The cherry on top is BB in FGO outright stating that Servants CAN'T move FTL as doing so would make short work of even an A ranked Servant. The whole premise of the Seraphix event is that the Servants couldn't escape from Beast Kiara's pressure because doing so requires moving at light speed. 7) Weakened Tamamo never traveled back in time: 1:57 Tamamo at the end of CCC had grown her 9 Tails to ignore the time axis and save Hakuno. 9 Tailed Tamamo/Amaterasu is stated to be the strongest being in EXTRA and CCC. She claps Berserker Arcueid, Kiara and BB, let alone Gilgamesh who even with the Mythological Mystic Code only stands a 0.9999% chance at defeating BB. Regular Artoria from Stay Night, Zero, or EXTELLA doesn't scale to this version of Tamamo at all. Tamamo didn't travel 1000 years back in time either. She simply stayed in the Far Side of the Moon which exists in a Time Loop. After training there for 1000 years she exited that realm and went to the Moon Cell core/Near Side where Hakuno was being deleted. There wasn't any Time Travel involved. Show less

In FGO, his living self was actually able to expand on that ability even further. It's basically implied that despite the usual three strokes, his ultimate slash basically made it so that due to the fact that there are an infinite number of worlds, there is a possibility of a single world that a slash reaches you, and just shoves an infinite amount of slashes at your face. Musashi, who was fighting him at the time, was only able to counter this due to her ultimate slash being able to essentially erasing all other possibilities aside from her single slash cutting you, basically meaning her sword was the concept of nothingness, or Zero. By continuously deleting the infinite slashes at the same instant they were created, thus an undefined and infinite clash took place due to 0 and Infinity clashing and neither winning. A slash that reduced all possibilities to nothing, and a slash that produced an infinite amount of possibilities. The only reason the duel ended was because there was a certain bystander just sitting there and just said, "Yeah, Musashi won.", thus observing her victory and ending the duel.

13:56 can’t forget about the typical Lancer Luck E in addition to Saber’s luck since in the wise words of Abridged Lancer, his “attack that will always pierce the heart was disrupted by a metaphysical critical roll on a D20.”

I will forever hope that Seth will one day tackle Medaka Box and its characters.

Theres also certain servants that can accomplish impossibly insane feats as well, such as Musashi's ability to cut through the literal void, or Senji Muramasa's ability to detach the concept of Karma from someone. Or even King Arthur from another time the genderbent Saber, who travels timelines and dimensions in order to face an enemy that endangers the world

doesnt change the fact fate is poorly written. (Also reimu victim)

8:20 No quite. For all of Kojiro's skills, his sword is "normal" (read not comparable with higher NP blades) and therefore chips and bends when clashing with Excalibur, bringing imperfections/blind spots to his Tsubame Gaeshi. This, together with Sabers instinct and expert swordsmanship let her just about counter it.

I think the term “beyond space and time” is being played up a bit in this. In the description of tsubame gaeshi it’s “disregard for space and time” was used referring to the simultaneous slashes not that he’s now super powerful. His attack power was probably not enough to fully kill saber but he was fast enough to box her up lol

Not a very good video

This is the nightmare of everyone who actually scales Fate properly, all those years of the nonsensical outversal wank was finally dying down only for this dude to come along and rekindle it.

Goku is So strong When he transformed into Ultra instinct sign he Disconnected live streams across the globe And he's not even real 💀💀💀💀

You gotta love it when someone sees complex multiversal characters and just immediately thinks "no way someone's stronger than this!" Absolutely hilarious. Never gets old

9:16 So, how Saber survived, her Instinct ability didn't exactly foretell where Kojirou would strike, only that she'd die. In that same moment, she released Excalibur, which increased her physical parameters, however, it would only work to tank the hit rather than block it. That's how she survived those three slashes. Now in the rematch, she already has Excalibur out, so she's more prepared

A quick correction is that the servants of CCC that appear in Extella aren’t at the peak of their CCC power, the 4 servants of CCC had what are known as Mythological Mystic Codes, and these codes are what allowed them to defeat BB, Tamamo had the Code of the Sun, Nero had the Code of Venus, Nameless had the Code of Wrought Iron, and Gilgamesh had the Code of Genesis, however in order to obtain thsee codes for the first 3 characters (Gilgamesh just has it by default) the main characters had to go through a bunch hoops and trials to do it, for Tamamo specifically she needs all 9 of her tails, which allowed her to become the goddess Amaterasu, however the Tamamo of Extella that directly fights with saber only has 3 tails, meaning she is nowhere near as powerful as she was when she fought BB, the same can be applied to Nero who does not possess the Code of Venus, and Nameless who does not possess the Code of Wrought Iron, while Gilgamesh is never mentioned using his.

Is she strong enough to break you out of prison ☠️

While some information is true, it's worth to mention that there is a lot of exaggeration here due to a LOT of misinterpretation. For example Kojiro's Tsubame Gaeshi, it transcends space and time because it's 3 attacks used in one slash, so it's impossible by normal laws of physics, but it doesn't mean that it has infinite speed, it's the speed of a normal slash but with 3 slashes at the same time, and the reason she perceives it (and eventually counters it) is because of her Instinct skill (and because Kojiro's sword was bended). Also, the concept of "World" isn't about the planet itself, but the thin layer of reality that surrounds it, when a Reality Marble is said to "change the world" is because it expands it's own reality over the world's reality, not the whole planet, both Excalibur and Enuma Elish are said to have a max range of 99 (most likely meters) inside the world (as servants, not against alien beings,etc) , they can't destroy a planet and never could do it in normal servant conditions. Arjuna Alter consumed a whole Phanteon of gods and he still needed thousands of years to reset the whole world, Types are the peak of galactic bodies such as planets, and what we see by the strongest ones (like Type Jupiter and ORT) is just the destruction of half a planet or similar feat , destroying a planet is not something that normal servants could ever hope to achieve normally, not without a plan akin to the Grand Order.

While this is a lovely dive into Fate using the workhorse of the Fate scaling community, there's a bit of nuance in Saber's fight with Kojiro you missed. Saber survives Tsubami Gaeshi--which is not three slashes, persay, but a single slash made of three cuts--due in part to a couple of factors. Part of it is her Instinct skill, which provides her with supernatural predictive impulses as she fights, and actually gets stronger the more "skilled" her opponent is. And another part is that Kojiro isn't actually Kojiro; he's more of a phantom of the rumor of Sasaki Kojiro's legend. So there's a massive gap in stats based on the gulf in their ontological anchoring. Had this been the "real" Kojiro and Saber stepped into the fight with this approach, she would be cut to ribbons. When Saber survives the first Tsubami Gaeshi, however, the blow warps Kojiro's blade. Again, there's that massive gap in stats I mentioned before. So when he goes to repeat the maneuver, the imperfection of his weapon leads to an imperfection in his technique, leading to his defeat.

This is going to bother me if I say nothing about it. But the reason for Artoria's summon in Fate Extella to defeat Sefar is not because of higher power. It's because of Excalibur being THE weapon on a conceptual level to defeat Sefar. It defeated Sefar once by the nameless human in the distant past after all the gods were beaten by her. It was forged by the planet to save it, and it is something that is more effective against alien lifeforms. It is all about compatibility, which is the most fundamental thing to the Nasuverse. Every other Servant has awful compatibility with Sefar because Sefar is one who destroys civilization, and Servants are born FROM civilization. And even still, you forgot the fact that Tamamo and Nero DO in fact beat Sefar in their own routes, only for Archimedes to slide into another timeline to try to awaken Sefar again No. She does not scale to a Nine Tail Tamamo, because Nine Tale Tamamo would be Amaterasu, who is on a conceptual level leaps and bounds above many other things due to her being the Sun. Sefar has been described as having a similar power level to Amaterasu, and despite this, Tamamo mentions how Sefar still won in Extella. Tamamo in Extella also doesn't utilize the full abilities of the Regalia because it's been split into three separate parts, so she can't fully utilize the full power of it, so of course she's going to lose to Artoria. She's not that type of fighter. She only is in Extella because it's a musou game. And no, Artoria has never been shown to be able to destroy concepts. The example of the Demon God Pillars fails because the Demon God Pillars are all familiars of Solomon in the same way that Servants are familiars. Something more akin to the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception would be needed to destroy concepts, and even then that would only fit Ryougi Shiki since Tohno Shiki would end up as dead as possible if he tried. Kojiro lost the fight to Saber because, when he clashed swords with her during their second fight, she bent the blade. Because of this, the gap created was just enough for Artoria to see it with her Instinct and go for it, leading to her win. The VN specifically goes into this and should be taken as such Artoria isn't even the strongest character in the damn Nasuverse. I can name a lot of things that can defeat Artoria. Gilgamesh, Karna, Romulus Quinirus, Primate Murder, Arcueid Brunestud (only to stomp even harder as Archetype Earth), any single Ultimate One (best example being ORT), etc.

She's a base superman victim 😂😂

In “fiction “ 🤡

This kind of seems like a shitpost. I mean, Kojiro couldn't hurt Goku. It doesn't even matter if he could tag him, but you actually went and said he could beat him. Arturia Saber (the one you're using) scales to Kojiro in the same way Goku scales to Raditz. They were both weak and in the past. Kojiro was nerfed in the anime, the anime just goes over it less. He's nerfed because he's the servant of a servant, but it doesn't affect his [fake] Noble Phantasm because of how it works. It's actually the only thing he can really manage. Without it he's just quite weak. He doesn't kill Saber because he's weak. Also you went from mentioning 8 dimensions to suddenly saying "infinite dimensions" without reasoning. But don't get me wrong, FATE characters are haxxed as fuck, mostly because the rank and file have conceptual powers lol. Doesn't mean stronger than all of fiction or that Goku auto-loses or something though. Most of the conceptual powers are beaten simply by not engaging with them. Goku could beat most of them by simply Ki blasting them from over 15m away and most Servants aren't remotely at his speed level. Saber's luck stat is more just for things that require high luck. It does not, in and of itself, grant incredible luck in battle. Saber gets fucked up by Servants with less luck. It's just that if they have an ability that would land based on luck and not agility, such as Cuchulainn's NP, she can deal with it. Her luck does other things too but it's not going to prevent her from dying in combat. She was hella nerfed in Stay Night though cause Shiro was her master and he had no magic power lol. But I mean even in Zero where she had a Master with magic power (that being said the Zero mages were swole (magically) as fuck) she was having a rough time. She also lost that Grail War, but it was to Gilgamesh so I guess understandable? Do we scale Gil even higher? Probably not. Her showings aren't consistent and largely depends on who summons her, pretty much as any Servant though. As for why she can defeat Sefar. Hax, as usual. Sefar IS disgustingly powerful but due to Excalibur's nature as a holy sword and raw power (It's high enough, but not the highest) it can defeat her. Moreover, Saber was summoner by the Moon Cell itself, so she was as powerful as she could be. Also, Gae Bolg can be countered without luck if you know it simply targets the heart. As well, Tsubame-Gaeshi isn't simply fast, or beyond speed. He can't even hit you with all 3 strikes if he's not on level ground and it has a striking range of 3 meters. He talks about it himself. Like, an average servant can block 1 strike, and be hit by the other two. But they're still just sword strikes, they have no durability negation. Saber tanks two of the three hits. She's not conceptually invincible. So, like, this is a shitpost... but I think you're actually either posting this to see what your fanbase will believe or you read a couple statements without knowing anything behind them. For anyone else reading this, FATE is so complex that Seth didn't go in depth here AT ALL even if you think he did. This is surface of surface of surface level shit.

The only reason she survives her first encounter with Kojirou is because of her instinct skill. It allowed her to just barely figure out what was going to happen in the future allowing her to just barely defend against it. Hence why it shows her falling down before getting slashed

I would absolutely love to see more Fate videos from you

I'm a fan of this franchise and even I'm like this is bullshit

The strongest character in fiction is always someone's sonic OC

About saber surviving kojiro's attack, wasn't it exactly because she has high luck and because of intuition (that skill is pretty busted)? I don't remember if it's said or implied or it's a speculation cause it's been a long time. One thing that i find even more interesting is the skill/trait pioneer of the stars that basically gives canonic plot armor (makes the impossible possible and makes you archive your goal,drake fucked poseidon 2 times thanks to it and it's a headcanon of mine that the reason we are even alive in fgo is because we have/had da vinci with us),it would be an interesting video. Edit: also,the fact that she isn't even one of the strongest entities (and even servants tbh) in the fate universe is wild.

A point on Excalibur: It's *required* to defeat Sefar. As in the one timeline where it wasn't made because the faries tasked making it were lazy (I'm sure other comments have mentioned the Lostbelts), *The entire planet was reduced to a still ocean*. Also, I will agree with the statement about how Cu shouldn't be underestimated even with his status as a jobber. In F/GO he's an absolute *cockroach* with his Battle Continuation, and is considered one of the best F2P Servants due to how easy it is to get him and how versatile he is in most fights.

Huge cap.

Everybody now a days just keeps saying anyone is the strongest in fiction.

I don't care. The entire video is pointless.

Super Tengen Toppa Squashes Saber, the power of Spiral Energy is literally the concept to never stop and move forward like a drill, there is no limit.

Fate series is just overated and overstated that you yourself get confused, it doesn't even rhyme with what is shown in the anime or series, if you're to follow the authors tongue the series itself is unimaginable, and is above life and death and anything and concept that even exists, its fiction gone too far😂😂😂

I think the ending with stating that how shooting lasers, is more impressive than everything else throughout the video gives me the feeling Nasu was not thinking that hard about how powerful he made these characters, but this is still insane nonetheless lol

Nasu also wrote Lancer being proud of his noble phantasm reaching mach 2 in Hollow Ataraxia or portrayed Kirei running at 30 miles per hour as impressive in Heavens Feel, his own scaling can be pretty wonky.

YES! FATE SCALING! FINALLY! You should look at Edmond Dantes too. He's a beast that outspeeds time and basically has autolife for as long as he has a goal. He made Kojirou, the Assassin that fought Saber, shit himself and walk away from a fight.

She's not even the strongest in her own series.

Guys hear me out, what if we start making RU-vid scumbag scaling videos?

The cap is crazy

Unfortunately can’t get past kakazus durability!

Your allegations is still stronger then the whatever the fuck this version of Saber you just made up in this video tho

Was the underage 🐱 worth it Seth?

Power scaling are taken into consideration when creators abide by rules they make. Unfortunately Nasu is far from one of those as he had already broke so many of his rules that people don't take his characters seriously.

Why saber is the strongest in fiction: because everyone who watched fate has an IQ of around 7

Whenever Gilgamesh is mentioned I think of Fate, It's an all around fun anime and that's rare.

Superman Victim

I've got a huge debunk to this but it wont let me post it all together or in parts... wtf, this scaling has been debunked years ago seth... why are you arguing for it. Its stated many times the mooncell is not infinite in energy or that infinite timelines cannot exist and that they only exist within the simulated reality and that it only predicts infinite futures within a simulation of the real world or earth and its life forms, which already debunks 8D.

Modern powerscaling be like: "This city-level character mentioned the word 'dimension' so now they're 9D versal and can blow up the multiverse" (they never do)

Bout time we got a video scaling Fate characters, Seth I'd love for you to continue making Fate videos in the future I'm sure many others can agree. Very few "competent" people online tend to properly scale the series and understand all it's lore and information so I'm def happy to see you hopefully pick up the mantle especially since there's tons to discuss

Your Joking me right? Lets list some characters that can No concept of diff her 1. I am that I am ( World of Darkness ) 2. Mark Henry or Known as God of Arkham ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 3. Supreme Narrator ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 4. Buddha ( World of Darkness ) 5. Final Existence Threat ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 6. True Protagonist of Life ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 7. Those who dwell Beyond the Stars ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 8. MONAD ( World of Darkness ) 9. Our Lady ( World of Darkness ) 10. Scarlet King ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 11. SCP 3812 ( SCP EN BRANCH ) 12, SCP 2747 ( SCP EN BRANCH ) 13. SCP 3143 ( SCP EN BRANCH ) 14. SCP 4028 ( SCP EN BRANCH ) 15. DOWNSTREAMERS ( MANIFOLD TRILOGY ) 16. SCARLET DEMON ( PROJECTION || SCP CN BRANCH ) 17. GAIA ( World of Darkness ) 18. True Upper Narrators ( SCP CN Branch ) 19. AUREN THE ABSOLUTE ( HIGHEST INTERPRETATION || I CAN TELL YOU WHAT IS KILLING THE STARS ) 20. BONDEYE ( Word of Darkness ) 21. DR BRIGHT ( SWNN MACHINE || SCP EN OR CN BRANCH ) 22. SCP 040 JP ( SCP JP BRANCH ) 23: SCP 5650 ( SCP EN BRANCH ) 24. S Andrew Swann's Proposal ( SCP EN OR CN BRANCH ) 25. SUPERBOX ESSENCE ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 26. THE WEAVER ( World of Darkness ) 27. THE WYLD ( Word of Darkness ) 26. THE WYRM ( World of Darkness ) 28. SCP 3812 ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 29. DESMET ( SCP CN BRANCH ) 30. THE ABSOLUTE ( World of Darkness ) NOTE: These Characters can either wipe out Saber or Entirely her verse or.... probably just that.. more soon I guess. Finally, these characters are not listed by rank but either by Random.

I can’t believe Saber(spark) is the most powerful being in fiction! Who knew?

I could literally name 50 Characters off the top of my head in Fiction that are stronger then her and her verse, don't say stuff like "Strongest in all of Fiction" or any of that Clickbait nonsense, cause there are literally Boundless Beings that can beat her in a blink. So be quiet.

Umm did u forget about cthulhu, the being that can you kill u with a thought and is something that is incomprehensible and beyond existence

Imagine your scaling be so trash that it reflects on your personality 💀

not strongest charecter in fiction your going too far

She aint even top 20 in-verse if you count the VNs and is a Gilgamesh victim😭 plus the Hadou Gods, Umineko Witches, and many other characters can slam her😭💀

I need to see how strong shirou, emiya and sengo murammasa are. Also my favorite from fgo Arjuna and Karna are.

NO. Just NO ! You are baaaaadly confusing between technicality and potency. Just because Sasaki Kojirou has a multi-dimensional refraction skill doesn't mean his power is universal or multiversal or something, it just means that his technique allows him to attack from different dimensions making his slashes nigh-unblockable, it doesn't make his slashes more powerful, and this is inspired from the art of Kendo where the greatest attacking technique is the one where the blade can reach the enemy's body without being blocked. Using this multi-dimensional technique we viewers of this show are supposed to believe that Sasaki Kojirou have reached the pinnacle of fantastical Kendo mastery. It's as simple as that, no universal or multiversal or outerversal stupid powers are involved here. Remember Guldo in DBZ ? His power is 4-dimensional, he can move in stopped time, yet that doesn't mean he is 4-dimensional universal being, it's just a technicality skill not a potency skill

You just dont get what second magic is. second magic is a magic governing the connection between universes. so what kojiro means of tsubame gaeshi is using second magic, it is not that the slashing power or atribute is abnormal. it is just he is slashing three attacks in the same time instead of consecutive attacks that looks like same time Even goku can evade it easily

You argued that assassin in fsn can beat Goku, but you failed to mention that the ability assassin uses is a speed stat. It doesn't enhance his strength it's not a planet buster or anything. It's basically just a guaranteed 3 hits which a character like Goku can tank. Not to mention Goku outclasses him in literally everything.

not even the strongest in her universe

You say she is stronger bus still loses to Gil 😭

God help me. This has to be a meme

This is wankery that puts the VSBattles wiki to shame, good god man she isn't even the strongest in her debut VN. There is so much wrong with this that it's hard to compile it all. But I'll try (2:09) This line is interpreted. When Da Vinci says at Top Power, she means at TOP POWER. The Counter Force does not directly interfere like suggested, it nudges events around so that things that would harm the human order or the planet do not come to pass. Servants in general are not as powerful as you think they are. (2:39) Kiara becoming larger than a planet is a dubious take considering who she is and where they are, the Moon Cell. Kiara's NP in FGO further reinforces this by making it clear that the planets aren't literally planets. (2:58) To this day there are only 3 planet busting threats in the entirety of the Nasuverse. Goetia and Zeus/Artemis all have statements claiming they could destroy planets and Saber is in no way shape or form an equal to them in firepower. Goetia's 'Ars Almadel Solomonis' in particular is directly compared to Excalibur. "It is an aggregation of hundreds of millions of beams of light. Each one of these lines carries extreme damage values comparable to Excalibur" (4:08) That is not how dimensions work in Nasu. It takes the same amount of force to break a 4 dimensional barrier as it does to break a 7th dimensional barrier, the only difference is in how easy it is to actually break the barrier. A being limited to the 4th dimension wouldn't be able to affect the 5,6,7th dimensions and so the barrier would not break. Higher dimensions means more ontological standing, not more destructive capabilities (6:16) Servants are not born from the root in any way,. They die in life, have their soul recorded, are summoned from the throne and are forced into a Class Container, die, and then are either consumed for some purpose or just fall apart and go poof. The only relationship they have to the Root is that their Saint Graph data is stored on the Throne of Heroes. They do not get any crazy abilities because of it (8:25) The Refraction Phenomenon does not actually make him any more powerful or faster, literally all Tsubame Gaeshi does is create a nigh unescapable 3 pronged attack that happens at the same time. They are still just regular speed swings from a nameless swordsman with an unremarkable (aside from it's length) sword. (8:30) She survives because he was unable to properly use Tsubame Gaeshi, because of the poor footing of the stairs he could not execute it properly and as a result only 2 simultaneous swings occur (8:45) Again, Higher Dimension does not automatically mean more powerful. It is still just a regular steel nodachi, just in 3 places at once (9:03) Invisible Air does not nerf Excalibur in any meaningful way beyond needing to be dispelled before a True Name Release. In fact it is an upgrade over base Excalibur because it enhances the attack power and makes the sword invisible as well as a burst weapon with Hammer of The Wind King (9:40) Saber is decently fast for a servant, but she isn't anywhere near the pinnacle and certainly nowhere near faster than the concept of Speed . Arguably there is one servant that might be able to claim that feat, Dantès actually has a Noble Phantasm that explicitly does what you have described. Sadly Saber is not Dantès and as such is not faster than speed itself (9:50) Safe to assume that the damaging of his blade does happen because they have a very noticeable clash and that is what damaged the blade in the VN, they even focus on the meeting points of the blades for a second (10:13) Ea is not one of the Noble Phantasms capable of destroying planets, what it does do is strip away the Textures and rules of the World to show "Genesis" the creation and beginning of everything. The World does not literally mean the planet most of the time in Nasu. It usually refers to the Human Order (12:08) Claiming Tamamo's time travel as a speed feat is almost entirely baseless because nothing else in Nasu has hinted at it being theoretically possible and 9 tailed Tamamo is directly compared to Amaterasu who is explicitly stated to have an identical ability to what was displayed "When she becomes this high level of a divine spirit, the time axis is no longer a limiting factor to her." (12:53) This is literally the only time any of this happens so we could just chalk this up to Extra weirdness (13:00) Daemons are in a way living concepts (more accurately human wishes) but killing them does not kill the Concept so saying she can kill concepts has no foundation. Demon God Pillars like the ones in FGO are not easily manhandled by servants at all, directly compared to the Lahmu that multiple Divine Spirits were having trouble with. (14:51) She cannot erase Concepts, She cannot fight at the 8th dimensional level, She cannot fight beings that run through time (to my knowledge they do not exist), Avalon is not technically a weapon. Therefore the Planetary Anti-Alien cannon is indeed the most powerful weapon she has. Most of the errors in this video seem to come from not understanding how Dimensions in Nasu work and what are appropriate things to scale from. More research and thought is always good to prevent claims like Tamamo being fast enough to run backwards in time when an extremely plausible answer that is grounded in canon exists. The Fate community is clowned on enough (and for good reason), don't make it worse by using faulty logic and poor research to make ludicrous claims that only stand up in any way if you ignore literally every other feat she has other than the ones cherry picked to be accidentally or intentionally misinterpreted.

As a fate fan...... Bro saber is strong but all of fiction? Goku...... Saitama.... Superman? Like it's not even an argument that Goku would wipe the floor with her. Saber died to Archer in Hollow Ataraxia because he sat on a skyscraper and just kept shooting her.

I'm a complete newbie at the dimensional "science" that's happening here. So 3 dimensions consists of length, breadth and height. Can any of the fate scientists explain to me what the other 5 are? If you cannot then saber gets punched by goku/saitama and dies.

Darkseid can beat the entire Nasuverse with a single hand.

Bro this video is ridiculous. Fate will claim "THIS UNBLOCKABLE ATTACK IS 124TH DIMENSIONAL AND KILLS GOD!!1!" and it just gets blocked anyway lol. With logic like that it just feels like you can just overpower anything if the writer wants. Spongebob stomps.

All of this and Superman still slams, maybe even Saitama lol.

So she may have a higher luck stat and clearly has hax, but I just don't see how she could get through Kakuzu's raw durability. Something else to keep in mind: Bungee Gum has the properties of both rubber AND gum.

Hyperbole. Artoria doesn’t even begin the scratch the top of fiction and that’s even considering her having Excalibur unsealed. I love Fate to death but people have started overrating its scaling when it’s not even that consistent internally.

i dont know but something about manipulating fate and concepts are not something new in fictions

so many things wrong here. So as per your video...Gilgamesh would be the strongest character in fiction since he bodies saber in their encounter in the mooncell, an environment were servants are much less restricted than normal. Saber was nerfed during her fight with Kojiro, but kojiro was beyond nerfed, being not even an heroic spirit at the time, with mana levels so low saber mistook him for a regular human, and she was still getting bodied by him, only winning because of kojiro's sword being bent out of shape in their second encounter messing up his normally flawless technique. The causality thing about her surviving the gae bolg is only mostly right, Gae-bolg is an insta heart pierce+curse if you have low luck, but with high enough luck the target only has a "Chance" to survive, it's like rolling a dice from DnD, not something you can achieve consistently. As proof, she got famously killed by another causality shifting weapon in Fate/hollow ataraxia, when bazett used fragarach, a weapon that even when used last will always strike first by messing with time, canceling the enemy's attack entirely Her instinct skill also got overpowered by that same kojiro because he had a simple skill which stopped opponents from seeing through his moves. It's also worth mentioning that when the servants were defeating BB, they had to use a shit-ton of hax to match BB's hax, haxes which saber never had access to, and who were gone in extella so comparing Saber to Hax nero, tamamo and nameless, is very wrong since she never fought them at that peak, and your comment concerning that particular situation is also erroneous Saber defeating the white titan does NOT mean she's stronger than Tamamo with nine tails, Saber could only defeat the sefar because is specialized in dealing with Alien Threats granting it greater power against them, something Tamamo is not. So the power ranking would be Sefar > Amaterasu > Arcueid > Buddha > Hax CCC servants > Kiara ( FGO version might be stronger/equal to buddha because she has The Nega-Saver skill) > BB > Saber. Power rankings in Fate aren't always Linear where the person with the highest number wins, It's the special abilities or concepts that matter: Amaterasu had higher numbers than sefar but lost because sefar had a skill that ate an opponents mana and used it as fuel for itself. Saber can beat Sefar despite it being out of her league solely because Excalibur has anti-alien traits, but she would lose to Karna if she were to try to use it against him that trait does not apply to him. Take Gilgamesh for example his stats really aren't all that impressive, what sets him apart is the tools he has at his disposition, allowing him to fuck up pretty much anyone.

Ok, I LOVE Fate, is my fav franchise, but there are many misconceptions here, Seth is upscaling things a LOT. Tsubame Gaeshi/ Sasaki vs Artoria First of all, servants in fate techically have the physical strength of hundreds of people (so its not THAT much compared to other franchises), Tsubame Gaeshi is a technique, its NOT the default speed at which sasaki moves, and its the pinnacle of his swordsmanship (that it is stated to be far above Artoria's). Which Saber survived 2 times. The crucial part is that these two times Sasaki couldnt really connect the strike because of 2 different reasons. 1st Artoria has a battle instinct that goes almost to the level of precognition, almost as if she could foresee the movements of their opponent moments before. (That is not an outrageous skill in anime if you think about it) and she reacted before he could make the slashes the first time while he was also at an inconvenient distance. 2nd And the second time, she could "squeeze" between an opening in the technique that wasnt supposed to be there normally (Sasaki purposely blocked a slash to get into Artoria's foot level and distance required to perform the technique, but since she is that much stronger and his sword is not nearly on the level of Excalibur, his Monohoshizao bent, just a couple of milimeters but the sword was bent on that exchange, all that knowingly so he could perform the technique during their encounter as both of them were desperate to end quickly) this change of angle in the sword created a extremely narrow point in which she could pass safely (that is understating how extremely difficult and almost impossible this feat was) but just for that damage in the sword, the Tsubame Gaeshi changed from being a perfect technique, to an imperfect one in which she could survive if she was extremely and ridiculously skilled and lucky. 3rd Artoria is EXTREMELY lucky, you could say shes almost loved by fate, her "luck" is at a level that she could alter fate slightly in her favour, impossible feats become possible even if narrowly for her, (like surviving the Gae Bolg which is another bullshit 1 hit kill technique like tsubame gaeshi) that was essential for their last exchange. So in the end, it wasnt as if Saber was faster than Kojiro AT ALL, she wasnt. It was more like Meruem VS Netero. She wasnt as fast but she found a practically impossible opening and slashed him when he missed his attack.

I heard about this video coming on Twitter, and I still wasn't prepared, Seth talking about fate stuff is surprisingly fun. Nasu writes way more than any human being should be capable of doing so it's pretty understandable why so much of the lore has people confused

This dude just drop some statements in this video and show no feats of Saber because she have no feats This whole Fate community just fanboys who cannot prove shit By they logic defeating god = being infinite powerful + solos fiction Actually Saber have no feats deal with it and continue crying

Okay, this is just a shitpost or for fun only right? Because if he serious, he's being delusional or he don't watch/read fictional work enough. I mean, there's still Gods of Shinzabansho, Gurenn Lagan, and Mecha from Demons Bane which I don't really know. Even Rimuru is stronger than her, hell Kamijou Touma might defeat her with hid imagine breaker. And you know, if you talking about authors bullshit, other authors could also pull other bulshit to their characters too. Like how Saitama won against Garo, the immortal Kira Yamato, or the whole SAO plot armor that doesn't make any sense.

Seth makes a fate power scaling vid Fate fans: *it's a free real estate*

Saber was able to survive The Subame Gaishi due to Kojirou’s sword being bent from clashing with Invisible Air.

The Goku meat gobblers may be right, he probably COULD beat up Saber, ill be honest. But he'll get God Stomped by Archetype Earth. CC Goku included

Ok her being a strong character I have no contentions with but her being the strongest is just straight up no😭

Seth 100% has a saber body pillow

Obviously, she's not the strongest character in fiction. Gilgamesh overpowers her several times, and there are more powerful verses than Fate.

You’re cooked

Watch Saitama punch and beat Saber anyway.

Who's gonna tell him