Musashi is probably someone really interesting to scale because there’s statements saying she could turn infinite possibilities into one and her being stated to transcend time and space so that would give her immeasurable speed.
I'd be down for more Fate related content, there's hardly anyone who does power scaling for it as you've sorta already said. It's usually always skipped out on or just not known as much and I think seeing more of it would be very nice.
First comment yessir and Awesome video bro it’s true there aren’t a lot of folks who do this type content preciate you for it bro Fate is one of my favorites right up there with Yugioh and thanks to that Yami yugi video I finally proved that He was strong to my brother 😁
Servants don't have immeasurable speed. Bb said he it would be hard to go ftl even with A rank. Only gods and Edmond Dantes and maybe Achilles have immeasurable speed. The twins were dying wen going ftl
Fate Extra power levels are different than the the standard Fate power level, you can't use their feats there to measure the power of servants in FGO, or Stay Night or Strange Fake. In Extra everyone gets a huge power up.
in extra most fate characters are not restricted in the same way they are in the other series so something like saber from the original visual novel VS her in extra the only difference is saber has less limits on her due to the situation
ok some questions regarding speed. dose something being off the temporal axis relay mean anything in it surpasses the concept of time? if they are being rayshifted there then arent they effectively going though a teleporter? i had always interpreted the singularity's as just being distortions of the timeline that we are sent back to correct.
Regarding the whole speed argument, what is your response to servants/divine spirits not being able to go beyond the speed of light without their spirit origin starting to fall apart? Although it is stated to be easier to do it in conceptual space such as the Moon Cell. This was stated/shown in both Musashi's fight against the Discouri and in the Seraph event by BB. I don't completely disagree with your stance on servent speeds I would just like to know your thoughts on this apparent limitation.
I think it's a travel speed thing. They only hurt themselves wen they travel. But if u have a + in a speed rank higher than C, they can for burst speed
it basically a handicap but I view it as a flex, as an opponent gets stronger, they'll reach a point where their reaction time can catch him, but the body can't keep up. The sound gives off where he attacks from so He has to be able to overpower any defense.
@@matthewmcafee2957 I wasn't being serious haha it's a joke a friend and me have where we ask this to the people who think Zaraki was faster than light during that fight. When the question is asked they usually don't have much to say lol.
I dont exactly like arguing with your videos they're sorta entertaining most of the time but how's it that in fate people use terms that would only apply to people who fobt have immeasurable speed. Take the fight against surtr where they said that he'd heal in a few minutes so they had to kill him quickly, saber alter saying that she'd take a few minutes to regenerate from a wound in heavens feel and just in general a lot of servants are often said to move at light speed or 400kmph or whatever these terms wouldn't make any sense if these servants weren't affected by time. the way I see it's like the singularities are in a place outside our temporal axis this wouldn't mean that time doesn't pass just that they aren't in our timeline almost as if they're extra dimensions that's how I see it maybe I'm wrong idk also the servants turn because the the grail mud not saber alter in a normal scenario she wouldn't have it
She is on their level but people just pretend that’s not the case. Overall Artoria is much better than salter. Anything salter can do Artoria can do as well.
@@gusbart5856 actually no she is very much on his level. Hell even the mooncell considered her strong enough to be worthy of the top servant vessel. Even outside of that Excalibur is much stronger than balmung and has a kit that’s much better for spamming it
Full powered OG Saber is stronger than Salter if it weren't for Salter's connection to the holy grail. Without the grail connection, Salter would just be like a regular Saber but their fighting styles would be different. Saber uses tactics and strategy to defeat her opponent without having to put too much power in display while Salter has no regard for her safety at all and doesn't care if she dies in a battle only as long as she gets to deal as much destruction as she can.
@@shxki Seems you only talked about the grail powered one yet wanked the Vanilla one "Full powered Saber is stronger". Matter of fact, Alter is more than just not caring about her safety. She wields the same power the Vanilla one does with the exception being that she doesn't hesitate to get the job done like her. That honor crap the vanilla one preaches means shit to Alter. There's a reason she's called the merciless King of Knights. Before you toss the speed argument, if your target is more durable than you it won't do much. Just look at her fight vs Rider.
@@nottomiokagiyu9830 > Seems you only talked about the grail powered one yet wanked the Vanilla one "Full powered Saber is stronger" How is that wanking? It was clearly said that Salter has no access to Avalon and her Excalibur bursts aren't as strong as Saber's without the grail's mana pool so I have no clue what you are talking about. > Matter of fact, Alter is more than just not caring about her safety. She wields the same power the Vanilla one does with the exception being that she doesn't hesitate to get the job done like her. That honor crap the vanilla one preaches means shit to Alter. There's a reason she's called the merciless King of Knights. As I stated: "Salter has no regard for her safety at all and doesn't care if she dies in a battle only as long as she gets to deal as much destruction as she can" This is how she gets shit done if it weren't obvious in the first place. Salter's violent nature is what leads her to do her job and she doesn't care about her surroundings or the consequences. And you can't simply say "There's a reason she's called the merciless King of Knights." against me since that is what I am trying to differentiate between the two in the first place. Furthermore, the honor aspect is a basis for Saber to be nerfed but that is the purpose of her character anyway. To lose feasible battles. > Before you toss the speed argument, if your target is more durable than you it won't do much. Just look at her fight vs Rider. While Parameters are just for shits and giggles most of the time, Salter rarely goes up to speeds as fast as Saber. Salter's armor is also amped by the grail's mana pool and basically wears the same shirt as Saber without it, so I don't know why you call her "more durable" when Saber is the one with Avalon in the first place. Also, Rider already stated that without her speed, she would have been killed by Alter instantly. So you cannot disregard speed like that so nonchalantly. Now, if what I said didn't get to you, here's a simpler version. Avalon > No Avalon Infinite Mana Supply >>>>>> Regular Mana Supply Earlier comment didn't include as much details and information since I only gave a brief explanation and analyzation and I did not expect someone would try to give a take against it anyways, xd.
Okay I'm gonna say this now, and all better listen, you cannot put the character in the show and its game counterpart as the same people, they are not and in fact the game characters are not the same, everytime I see a fate scaling, you guys are always putting their game counterpart as the same people, you can't do that man.
The game counterpart is used because its the strongest version so yes its valid and cannon. The anime servants can't use their full strength because of Alaya so the only way to actually see their strengh is through game.
@@antares8943 I didnt say the game counterparts couldn't be use, I just said they're not the same people as their anime counterparts, and also not every game characters are canon, for something to be canon it has to be part of the main storyline.
Nothing have to make sense , not even you know what the true definition of making sense is because there's so many definition and meaning of it, if nasu wants to he can do what you said ISN'T possible, he can make saber split the universe in half and you can do nothing but cope with that nonsense
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There is a problem with artoria alter vs heracles berserker was weakened And fuyuki heaven’s feel and chaldea artoria alter are different in power they would go by fuyuki>heaven’s feel>chaldea Fuyuki’s alter gets Direct mana from the corrupted grail Heaven’s feel’s alter gets mana from sakura that has the corrupted grail Chaldea’s alter gets mana from ritsuka that gets mana from chaldea
Artoria alter in heaven's feel is a different level compare to other artoria alter(saber) Because in there artoria alter has unlimited amount of mana from matou's grail And In that fight against Heracles she pretty much spam multiple Excalibur NP to bring Heracles down If you watch fate kalied oath under the snow where shirou can bring down 6 servant in a single night without any issue it's pretty much does the same thing to artoria alter But entirely Heracles could beat artoria if she doesn't spam her np
@@2side1coiniskandaraslar69 artoria alter from heaven’s feel has infinite mana that’s it Artoria alter from fuyuki can corrupt other servant and has Direct connection to infinite mana
@@2side1coiniskandaraslar69 first artoria alter did not defeat herc herself the grail weakened him and corrupted him and shirou defeated 6 fake weaker version of the original’s hell cu could kill all 6 of them alone also artoria did not spam excaliber she used mana burst most of the fight
I got No clue of fate Lore besides the Base series. Im allways lookin for new Lore universes and fate seems interesting so keep it coming. Maybe some Story explanation as well, but ik thats Not the stuff you so here haha.
i have a boundless argument for a few people but not necessarily the grands. you could maybe argue the grands by proxy, but we don't see the best interaction.
